Re-Inventing myself online.

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young_gun said:
BUT, I do think that you need to focus more in the real world. If you want to find a good-hearted Christian woman, a church / small bible study would be the best place to meet this kind of woman. At the same time, you never know who you can meet in the most random of places so always keep your eyes open.
You are right, as I've committed on another thread "LIE to get LAID" to Bible_Belt's suggestion, and what I intuitively know is right, I intend to do just that.
 
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I've decided to modify the profile as suggested - most of it has been gutted and replaced with a more positive / ****y / humourous frame. You can review the profile again and give further suggestions to improvement. I was thinking of putting some youtube links to some of my favourite songs - good idea anyone?

Next thing to work on is bumping the forum messages down so that 'virgin' talk or heavy 'faith' talk wont be on the fore-front of the profile as it also appears to be off-putting. The whole thing was a bit on the heavy side and should be lighter....so I'll look for light comments or discussions to comment on rather than heavy ladened opinions.

I'm unsure if I should just rest it for now and take a break for a few weeks and concentrate on other offline ventures so it would take some time for maybe new people to go on that site or something and look at the profile - but think I'll likely do just that since I feel worn out of the online thing right now and may start it again in a couple of weeks. At least by then the old profile would have passed through the system.
 

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You can put songs up, but it probably won't matter either way. I wouldn't put them up, I'd save what kind of music you like as a conversation on the date you go out on.

But yeah, I would lay off the whole virgin / heavy faith talk. I think it's great that you have the faith that you do (I wish I did) but I would tone it down quite a bit. Once again, don't change who you are, but leave that to the mystery a bit more.
 

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I agree with young_gun about not deleting the profile, but I disagree with him a little on the content. Yes you are honest about yourself, but like I said earlier you are too descriptive of yourself and don't leave much to be desired. You need to give them just enough to let their imagination work in your favor. I do agree with him on toning down the faith talk or perhaps removing it altogether. You can save that for the girls that are genuinely interested in you, because it won't matter to them. But you initially want to draw in as many women as you can, which would put the ball in your court instead of letting them be the ones to decide if they're interested or not. I don't have a problem with maintaining online profiles but I do agree it shouldn't be your main source of interaction with women.

And yes to all that you said on the interactions. One-on-one flirting, groups, approaching, anything you can think of. I get the idea you're not doing a whole lot of work with that if you still feel you aren't comfortable around them. Unless you work at a gay bar there has to be a few at your place of employment too.
 

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Luke you are shooting yourself in the foot on plentyoffish by admitting to everyone that you are a virgin. Women don't want to be with a virgin. Don't be so up-front about it.

And it's a trip how you say that you can never be confident with girls. Never? No way, no how?

There's a sales trainer named Zig Ziglar who said, 'Do what you fear most, and you will control your fear.' The only way to get better and more confident at talking to girls is to talk to girls. Stop making excuses about how you cannot succeed because you are this way or that way. It's all in your head, man. Lots of guys used to be awful with girls, but got better with practice, and not making excuses. Every shorter guy on this site would love to be five eleven, but what you have in common with some of them is the making of excuses. With them, it's height. With you, it's some sort of conviction that you are an incurable AFC. You're not.

Have you posted on the wingman forum? Someone here has to be from Ontario. Some guys pay a lot of money for in-person coaching, but I bet someone on sosuave would be happy to go sarging with you.
 
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Bible_Belt said:
Have you posted on the wingman forum? Someone here has to be from Ontario. Some guys pay a lot of money for in-person coaching, but I bet someone on sosuave would be happy to go sarging with you.
On another thread, I believe the 'quest' thread, a poster had volunteered to go sarging, but at the end he backed down. But, my heart was never really fully into it. I do have a college from the past at the work office and an old school friend that I could try with that.

Left to my own 'solo-sarging' it seems that I would probably 'excuse' myself out of making appraoches or get intimidated or something, or make one feeble attempt for every 30 minutes of analysis paralysis.
 
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The "Forum" thing where the only reference to 'virgin' or 'faith' is made on my profile (since the last five forum posts I make are placed on my profile) has been 'bumped' down with other posts so they are no longer there.

I guess the virgin thing is a wierd thing - even if a girl was looking for a virgin, that's sort of private information that should only be shared with someone special, and when I make special information public like that, then that's one less thing I have to share with someone who meets me.

The virgin strategy is most often utilized for getting a pity-lay on adult sites anyway - which is what I tried last year but have scrapped that policy since my parents wont let me lose it with a skank (not likely to attract another female virgin on that strategy - they want to be romanced before having sex rather than a random hook-up), and I guess I wont. It would at least convey the message that I'm looking for a hook-up or intimate encounter by trying to attract sympathy for someone to 'relieve me' from that plight. Since this is not an adult venue or 'intimate encounter' stuff, it's not an asset where it would work on a zero-game environment better. I could have meet four (up to five if I pushed it) people from the adult sites.

I never had an intent to put this on a 'normal site', but it just ended up that it was the type of forum discussions I wanted to participate in. So, it's now bumped down with discussions that have nothing to do with sex or faith - so there you have it - the new and improved profile.

Let's see if the numbers are better or worst in the coming weeks, or if I manage to get a date before I re-invent another strategy again.
 
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Now I'm just worried too many people are aware of my old profile and I've already been branded by too many people on there so I'm unsure of whether to take a break for a few weeks before sending any further emails out. I'd likely think it's better to concentrate on offline game in the time being as others have said.
 

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The virgin strategy is most often utilized for getting a pity-lay on adult sites anyway - which is what I tried last year but have scrapped that policy

No pity lays. It is a lousy strategy anyway. Pity is not sexy to women.


since my parents wont let me lose it with a skank

Come again? Mommy has to approve your women? Luke, that is completely unacceptable. You have a larger problem than just dealing with girls. Your lack of success with women is a symptom of larger problems, such as, I am guessing, low self-esteem as the result of domineering parents. That is not reasonable on their part to tell you whom to date. If you live with them, and they insist on controlling you, then you have to move out. Your parents telling you what to do makes you a boy in the eyes of women, not a man. The first step in succeeding with women will be standing up to your parents.
 

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Did you get that escort in the end? I've not been keeping up.
 
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Bible_Belt said:
The virgin strategy is most often utilized for getting a pity-lay on adult sites anyway - which is what I tried last year but have scrapped that policy

No pity lays. It is a lousy strategy anyway. Pity is not sexy to women.
I'm going to shift back a year for arguement's sake, although this is not my current mind-set now. This is just after a heart-break from a oneitis where I felt nobody wanted me and was in a very crazy state of mind.

There comes a point when you dont care and you just want to get laid to experience it or how it feels like, in which case it resorts to either going for pity-sex, getting a hooker, or something of that nature.

You are talking from the position of knowing that you can appeal to women and that a woman could want you sexually and thus dont understand my position last year of being 'Involuntary Celibate' - where you feel nobody wants you even if you paid them. I do not even currently consider myself sexy to women and like you said, perhaps I feel I'm an incurable AFC, but I'm still trying.

So, this strategy is used last year in a month period of November 2006. It worked last year in terms of getting four potential hook-ups, but I still consider it a zero-game strategy - if that didn't work, I would have moved to go with a hooker last year and just get it over with. There was an open sex policy in that sector premised on the 'Involuntary Celibacy'.

In fact, I would have had more of a choice of a selection of sexy hookers and have had a choice of who I wanted to do, rather than settle for whatever little 'free' responses I got from AFF, but at the end of the day, at least I had a choice to do something or not to do something without feeling I 'had to pay' for it.

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since my parents wont let me lose it with a skank

Come again? Mommy has to approve your women? Luke, that is completely unacceptable. You have a larger problem than just dealing with girls. Your lack of success with women is a symptom of larger problems, such as, I am guessing, low self-esteem as the result of domineering parents. That is not reasonable on their part to tell you whom to date. If you live with them, and they insist on controlling you, then you have to move out. Your parents telling you what to do makes you a boy in the eyes of women, not a man. The first step in succeeding with women will be standing up to your parents.
Yup, she usually has to approve of my women and have had women actually qualifying themselves to my mom's standards or feeling hurt they dont qualify. But, suppose that's not true. You really think if I move out of there I'm just going to be a different person - like that - after years and years of being in that environment?

People have already said in here that I have to move out. I've had a reasonably successful year in Real-Estate this year, but if I have a second successful year next year, then I know it's stable for me, and I'll move out there. I'm still trying to build myself economically and since I'm not paying rent and dont have a gun pointed to my head for most basic expenses, I'll just stay here just one further year before taking the step out.

Anway, I have other plans, I'm going to school to get a professional designation in my field, paying off my student loan, investing in retirement savings plans, and cutting my wieght down - I think my looks are much more important to deal with then my living condition.
 

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I think if Luke got an escort, the guilt afterward would be too much for him to handle.

This gf/fb of mine says she is thinking about trying the escort thing, her ex-stripper friends keep suggesting it. I am actually not against the idea, as it would give me free license to have all the fun on the side that I wanted.

And Luke, regarding your std fears that we got into on another thread, this wannabe escort girl has had sex with about half the town. I've known her for a long time; she once confided in me long ago that she had HPV. And you know what? I don't care. She's on the depo shot, so I don't even use a condom. You'd be petrified to stick your d!ck in this girl if you knew what I knew, yet I do it every day. Do you know the difference between you and I? That is other than regular sex (and possibly a trip or two to the std clinic on my part :) ) ......nothing, or at least nothing tangible. It's all in your head. Either you can embrace risk and have a fun life, or you can worry yourself to death about everything and watch life go by from your quiet safety, as other people live it up and enjoy themselves.
 

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Luke has had excellent advice on this site for years and ignored all of it. Don't let him waste your time is my advice.
 
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Bible_Belt said:
I think if Luke got an escort, the guilt afterward would be too much for him to handle.
Depends on the state of mind I suppose. Last year I turned to the dark side temporarily because of the heart-break of the oneitis.

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And Luke, regarding your std fears that we got into on another thread, this wannabe escort girl has had sex with about half the town. I've known her for a long time; she once confided in me long ago that she had HPV. And you know what? I don't care. She's on the depo shot, so I don't even use a condom. You'd be petrified to stick your d!ck in this girl if you knew what I knew, yet I do it every day. Do you know the difference between you and I? That is other than regular sex (and possibly a trip or two to the std clinic on my part :) ) ......nothing, or at least nothing tangible. It's all in your head. Either you can embrace risk and have a fun life, or you can worry yourself to death about everything and watch life go by from your quiet safety, as other people live it up and enjoy themselves.
I dont have an STD now, and dont want to get it because I'm not in a crazy state of mind. Again, it would break my momma's heart if I went with a shanky girl and got an STD, especially if it's premised on a heart-break of a oneitis that she didn't like for me anyway.
 
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Nighthawk said:
Luke has had excellent advice on this site for years and ignored all of it. Don't let him waste your time is my advice.
You dont have to post and waste up thread space. If you dont like my threads then dont read them or you are just a troll.
 

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Yup, she usually has to approve of my women

Luke, let me be blunt with you, as usual, and only because I care. It is the sick who need a doctor (I know you know that one), and in the area of interpersonal relationships, you are sick, my friend.

You are never going to be a success in life, at anything, but especially women, if you let your Mommy tell you what to do. Until you stand up to her, all of this is pointless. I am going to stop giving you any advice unrelated to standing up to your mother. You cannot progress at anything until this happens.

and have had women actually qualifying themselves to my mom's standards or feeling hurt they dont qualify.

That wannabee escort girl, who btw is a hb9 and amazing in bed (lots of practice, lol), the number one thing she says she likes about me is that I don't judge her. Judgement has no place in the m/f dynamic. This girl has at least a half dozen guys calling her all the time, but she has been in my bed every night. Not judging her makes for a powerful connection. By the same token, judgement from you for not being religious enough or judgement from Mommy about not being good enough for her little boy is a giant turn-off that will destroy your new relationships, as is being told what to do by your mother. As soon as a girl sees that Mommy is the boss, it's game over. She will not respect you and will thus lose attraction, no sex for you.

But, suppose that's not true. You really think if I move out of there I'm just going to be a different person - like that - after years and years of being in that environment?

Right now Mommy pays your rent. She can threaten to kick you out. She holds the trump card. In any relationship, one side has the power, that's the one who can walk away. You need her for rent, so you can't walk away, and she knows it. She knows she can control you, so she keeps you hooked on the free rent. I don't want you to hate your mother (I saw the Charlton Heston Easter movie), but she will never respect you until you stand up to her. After you move out, she can't tell you what to do. That is the day that you change from being a little boy to being a man. And men get laid.
 

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Nighthawk says you don't listen. I dare you to prove him wrong.

it would break my momma's heart if I went with a shanky girl and got an STD,

I got an std from a law student whom I was planning to marry. We went to church together. She's gonna be some dcfs miracle-worker lawyer. But she's kind of a slvt (I like 'em, I admit it). fwiw, I told my mom about that girl giving me an std and dumping me, and I did not get any judgement out of her. Your mother is not going to be mad at you for having a medical condition. And honestly, she does not deserve your time if she treats you that way.

especially if it's premised on a heart-break of a oneitis that she didn't like for me anyway.

So you run every girl by your mother, and at the same time wonder why you are a virgin.:mad: Stop doing that.
 
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