Mixed Signals But Consistent Lays. High IL or Low IL?

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Men who get very skilled at the game have to learn when to drop the games for something worthwhile, because at the end of the day most men (yes even players) desire a meaningful relationship.

Most men desire to pair bond at some point in life so it's difficult to be a player forever. Pair bonding can take on different forms. I have noticed men start to struggle with a lifestyle centered around casual sex and short term relationship at ages 35+.

There are still elements of "game" needed in order to retain relationships. Elements of looks, money, status, and personality are not only important in initially attracting a woman, but are also relevant in retain relationships.

Many men lose frame as relationships go on and start to show more beta male, blue pill ideology type behaviors. There's a concept called beta-ization by 1,000 concessions. Rich Cooper has talked about it.

I have seen beta-ization in long term relationships. I have a good friend who has a triple digit notch count. He did some things right to get that triple digit notch count. Right now, he's a married man who tip toes around his wife and has no masculine frame. These things happen.

There are alpha/sigma men who struggle with monogamy as well. This comes from having a lot of sexual variety over time. Neil Strauss experienced this and other men deep in the seduction lifestyle experience it.

Beta males are better suited for longer term monogamy in the sense that they have less of a desire for sexual variety. They won't pursue sex outside the primary relationship and they also won't have women giving them strong IOIs for another sexual option. That can help them stay faithful in an LTR. In other ways, betas struggles in monogamous LTRs due to a weak frame that fails to keep women attracted for the longer term.

If she likes you she will say yes and be agreeable. Then you proceed from there.

The level of agreeableness that this woman is showing is debatable. It's a gray area.

She's being distant yet eventually she will agree to show up in person. At a minimum, she is making it more difficult for @jamesfromhouston to have sex with her.

This isn't helped by asynchronous text-based communication. In an earlier era, a woman could act the same way in avoiding phone calls in the landline era and pre-smartphone cell phone era.

And if she is responding by investing in you? Well this could be a great interaction that could develop legs.

The statement is true in general but less likely to be true given this poster's history with women.