Men *created* practically everything - why then do girls give us NO credit?

[WaterTiger]

Anyone ever seen a women on a building site?
Down a ditch?
Collecting rubbish?
Working the sewers?

You know, the core foundation jobs!


You also dont see many women in science, Engineering, Maths (unless men make it easier) - Yes there are some women in those fields but only a small % - Feminists and mangina's would have you believe it's because Men held women down -

I call it 'ability'.

I also agree women do not give men the credit where it is due.

Instead they would much rather believe a fantasy of oppression - The reality is: Men natured, looked after and protected women - They did it for poon.

I agree with 90% of what you are saying!

The reason women aren't in "Core Jobs" like trash collecting, sewer repair & construction is because they are:

A - Heavy physical labor which women are not physically suited for. I can bearly get my trash can dragged down to the curb! I can't imagine being on the truck doing it for 5-7 hours a day!

B - The jobs are unpleasant. They smell, are dirty, and make you smelly & dirty...not somthing any woman would do willingly.

C - The invisible caste system is alive and well. Ask a garbage man what he does for a living he'll answer "Sanitation" or "Waste Management" then change the subject. He'll never say "I take your rotten vegetables, dirty diapers, cat litter and other filty crap to the landfill & bury it for you." The "Core Jobs" mentioned are "dirty jobs". Not like nice "Clean Jobs" like working at a bank or lawyers office. It's all about how it looks on a resume.


As for the arguement of why women don't go for the sciences, engineering, or higher maths is pretty simple too. It's not because they are kept out of such classes, nor because they are not "properly encouraged". They simply don't want to put in the serious effort, hard work, study & sacrifice to get the job done. Why should they work so hard for 4 years, when 18 months at a local college can get them a decent paying job as a dental assistant?

The ones that DO put in the hard work & effort should be applauded.

 

[Jitterbug]

As for the arguement of why women don't go for the sciences, engineering, or higher maths is pretty simple too. It's not because they are kept out of such classes, nor because they are not "properly encouraged". They simply don't want to put in the serious effort, hard work, study & sacrifice to get the job done. Why should they work so hard for 4 years, when 18 months at a local college can get them a decent paying job as a dental assistant?

The ones that DO put in the hard work & effort should be applauded.

Those jobs are also not glamorous at all. The media would make shows glorifying doctors, lawyers, police etc. but they hardly do one for those in hard sciences, engineering, maths or IT, and if they do, it's to make fun of the geeks & nerds.

The hard work also kills ya. I work with scientists and the guys would lament the fact that there are so few attractive women in it in the first place, and if any hot girl gets in, doing a PhD or a big research project would age them 20 years and make them ugly/fat. To be fair, the same goes for the guys.

One hot scientist chick I know dropped out of science, despite being quite brilliant, to start her own business selling clothes for a certain niche market. Same money, less taxing and more glamorous. She's the only one from her group at grad school who's still hot.

 

[jonwon]

I agree with 90% of what you are saying!

The reason women aren't in "Core Jobs" like trash collecting, sewer repair & construction is because they are:

A - Heavy physical labor which women are not physically suited for. I can bearly get my trash can dragged down to the curb! I can't imagine being on the truck doing it for 5-7 hours a day!

B - The jobs are unpleasant. They smell, are dirty, and make you smelly & dirty...not somthing any woman would do willingly.

C - The invisible caste system is alive and well. Ask a garbage man what he does for a living he'll answer "Sanitation" or "Waste Management" then change the subject. He'll never say "I take your rotten vegetables, dirty diapers, cat litter and other filty crap to the landfill & bury it for you." The "Core Jobs" mentioned are "dirty jobs". Not like nice "Clean Jobs" like working at a bank or lawyers office. It's all about how it looks on a resume.


As for the arguement of why women don't go for the sciences, engineering, or higher maths is pretty simple too. It's not because they are kept out of such classes, nor because they are not "properly encouraged". They simply don't want to put in the serious effort, hard work, study & sacrifice to get the job done. Why should they work so hard for 4 years, when 18 months at a local college can get them a decent paying job as a dental assistant?

The ones that DO put in the hard work & effort should be applauded.

Nice response water tiger, allow me to expand on it.

A: Great point about physical ability, men are simply designed better in that regard - Some women though i.e. hardcore feminists would believe where all equal - This small example you presented, shows it is simply not so black and white.

B: Yes women don’t tend to walk into those sorts of jobs for those reasons and I believe coupled with your answer C, we see a clearer picture - not only are they unpleasant, the social stigma of such jobs is unpleasant too - Women do after all Wipe babies bums, work in old people’s homes wiping bums - But usually those types of fields have some social value attributed to them.

C: Not just your résumé, I believe allot of women are concerned about their image - another core factor why you don’t see them in image negative jobs to a large degree.

Though I believe Physical labour is a block for most women - Some women do have exception strength, for example a 16 stone women, will have better strength then a 10stone guy - Like for like, women won’t have the physical abilities of men - but there are still female, shot putters, female wrestlers, female weight lifters - Also one only has to look at African women and the loads they carry (poor African women), i.e. water buckets from rivers, sometimes many miles away.

Though your points are spot on - There is still no reason why women can’t do those jobs presented, and in all my years on this earth I have yet to see one women, no matter her physical state, working on a building site - And I never see women arguing for the privilege to do so.

The invisible caste system is a great point and one that is probably one, of the main reasons for the above.

 

[iqqi]

Though your points are spot on - There is still no reason why women can’t do those jobs presented, and in all my years on this earth I have yet to see one women, no matter her physical state, working on a building site - And I never see women arguing for the privilege to do so.

And I would have to say that this is because women are SMARTER than men! What idiot would choose that job willingly? Trash collectors, mine workers, all those nasty, unglamorous and yucky jobs. And you just said what idiot... a man!









































All said in jest!

 

[SXS]

Those jobs are also not glamorous at all. The media would make shows glorifying doctors, lawyers, police etc. but they hardly do one for those in hard sciences, engineering, maths or IT, and if they do, it's to make fun of the geeks & nerds.

My unt is a mathematician and she works on research.

Still, not many women on the field.
I am graduating as an engineer, and the ratio on any class I take is around 20:1, men to women. And enigeering is not even as hard as physics, where there are 0 women in classes.

What idiot would choose that job willingly? Trash collectors, mine workers, all those nasty, unglamorous and yucky jobs. And you just said what idiot... a man!

Most men who do those jobs don't choose so. Circunstances in life makes them. What about women jobs like prostitution or porn ? Those aren't very glorious either.

 

[iqqi]

Most men who do those jobs don't choose so. Circunstances in life makes them. What about women jobs like prostitution or porn ? Those aren't very glorious either.

Good point.

And I don't see any men on here giving women their props for that contribution. What's up with that!?

 

[SXS]

And I don't see any men on here giving women their props for that contribution. What's up with that!?

Hey, I am very gratefull for porn and whookers.

 

[C-quenced]

As for the arguement of why women don't go for the sciences, engineering, or higher maths is pretty simple too. It's not because they are kept out of such classes, nor because they are not "properly encouraged". They simply don't want to put in the serious effort, hard work, study & sacrifice to get the job done. Why should they work so hard for 4 years, when 18 months at a local college can get them a decent paying job as a dental assistant?

The ones that DO put in the hard work & effort should be applauded.


I totally agree for the most part. However you must also realize that not many people (male or female) want to get into the engineering profession. It's always been high in demand. Not sure about recent times though due to the current economic situation.

I think that just about anyone with the proper mind set and determination can get into fields in higher maths or engineering. Differences between the genders DO exist in these fields because men (in general) are better designed for them. The statistics speak for themselves.

I am graduating as an engineer, and the ratio on any class I take is around 20:1, men to women. And enigeering is not even as hard as physics, where there are 0 women in classes.


Cool what kind of engineering?

I really can't say that physics is more difficult but I could say that it makes me want to bang my head across the wall until I pass out.

 

[Tazman]

The world has never been or ever will be an equal playing field.

Women have what they have and know what they know because they are who they are, likewise for men.

Things will eventually balance out because men are going to start becoming more "efficient" when dealing with women, it's an "adaptation", it's inevitable.

 

[Luthor Rex]

As for the arguement of why women don't go for the sciences, engineering, or higher maths is pretty simple too. It's not because they are kept out of such classes, nor because they are not "properly encouraged". They simply don't want to put in the serious effort, hard work, study & sacrifice to get the job done. Why should they work so hard for 4 years, when 18 months at a local college can get them a decent paying job as a dental assistant?

She could put in some more time at her local college and get her MRS degree and be set for life.

 

[The Message Boy]

Okay! I agreed with alot of what Lovely Lady said but iqqi not so much.

iqqi says,

And I would have to say that this is because women are SMARTER than men! What idiot would choose that job willingly? Trash collectors, mine workers, all those nasty, unglamorous and yucky jobs. And you just said what idiot... a man!

MY agrument is that women are creative and have been creative, despite what Trader said.

BUT, when it comes to the hardcore construction type of positions, those positions will continue to be dominated by men as men are still as a "majority" more physically dominate then women are. Those types of positions demand that type of physical ability. For example, football will continue to be dominated by men as it also requires strong phyiscal ability.

Women CAN do those positions, but don't choose to or get to for the most part, due to the phyiscal ability that's required. It's not because those jobs are "dirty," tell that to the woman out of work right now due to the recession and I bet she'll laugh in your face. She'll take damn near any job she could.

However, when it comes to positions that don't require that, women can compete as they can be creative as well.

 

[Ambition Now]

Men are leaders (or are supposed to be) and women are sheeps (most of em).
Being smart means two different things for men and women.
For men it means to use his own resourcers to become the best men he can be. To create his own world.
For women it means to get the best men they can. To get into an already created world.
Women shame men using words like idiot, dumb or whatever, but yet, history is the proof of the difference between masculine and feminine.

 

[Nutz]

I'm still waiting for the female Mozart, Rembrandt, Einstein, Shakespeare, Washington, Bill Gates, Socrates, Dalai Lama, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Jesus, Confucious, Steven Spielberg or Homer Simpson.


Then I might be convinced they are equally smart and creative.



Cheers!

The problem with that logic is that you're judging men by our exceptions to the rule. Life is a bell-curve, most of us are in the center and the names you mention are people towards one end or the other. Males have had the benefit of thousands of years in the drivers seat. Now that women have social parity in terms of opportunity with time it's only to be expected there will be exceptions to the rule for women as well. It might take as long as males to produce those exceptional people, or more, or less, but EVENTUALLY somewhere down the road there will be equivalences.

 

[speakeasy]

In fairness, women up until recent history were either forced or strongly encouraged to be only domestic workers or do mindless jobs. They just weren't able to go to college and major in the sciences and engineering. So it's unfair to expect that they'd have as many inventions under their belt as men. They weren't allowed to.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Yes, its been one big, long conspiracy.

Just like over 80 years of equal education and women dominating graduation but still having to deal with that pesky glass ceiling. If not for that, the Bransons, Trumps and Gates of the world would be called Miss instead of Mr.

In fairness, women up until recent history were either forced or strongly encouraged to be only domestic workers or do mindless jobs. They just weren't able to go to college and major in the sciences and engineering. So it's unfair to expect that they'd have as many inventions under their belt as men. They weren't allowed to.

Unlike the last 80 years. We have pumped out female engineers and scientists in droves! Droves I tell you!

 

[edger]

I've always said, men are to blame why women are the way they are. I've always said, men are their own worst enemies. I've said that countless times. Many many men behave like such losers. It's like really, come on, get a f*ckin' clue, it's not that hard to have a backbone, self-pride, and self-respect.

One other thing that really pisses me off, is that men too often go against each other, instead of uniting the way most women do. They'e ready to be a**holes to one another, fight each other, etc...and then they wonder why things are the way they are in the mating game. Look at the women posters on this forum, look how most of them(besides Iqqi) never partake in any of these discussions, and if they do partake, it's usually irrelevant jibberish that doesn't contribute in any valuable way to the discussions. They're not willing to reveal any information. They're very secretive.

We're in this together guys, remember that. We NEED each other.

 

[jonwon]

Hows your love life going IqqI?

Getting tired of all the mush yet?

Agreed edger us men are very much to blame, but then that's the power of poon.

 

[WaterTiger]

Look at the women posters on this forum, look how most of them(besides Iqqi) never partake in any of these discussions, and if they do partake, it's usually irrelevant jibberish that doesn't contribute in any valuable way to the discussions. They're not willing to reveal any information. They're very secretive.

Not so much secretive, as desire NOT to get punched. These discussions often are rants of "Men is good! Girl is bad!" any other opinions are met with venom. It's like walking up to a group of deer hunters and saying "Hi! I'm from the Save-the-Bambi Society!"

PLEASE UNDERSTAND- I'm not saying there isn't a very, strongly valid point to your arguments! But sometimes the thread runs very black and white, when actually it's several shades of gray.

This is why I usually stay out of threads like this, but I do read them!

 

[jonwon]

Not so much secretive, as desire NOT to get punched. These discussions often are rants of "Men is good! Girl is bad!" any other opinions are met with venom. It's like walking up to a group of deer hunters and saying "Hi! I'm from the Save-the-Bambi Society!"

If it was a guy saying this - The hunters would probably whack him one and laugh to each other.

If it was a girl - They would look at her ti*ts, check out her as*, and depending on if they liked the look of both or either - they would crack onto her, join the society! or tell the girl politely to go away.

Women normally do not see the sort of things guys do to other guys - things men would never to do women.

Hunters in this example would treat a guy totally differently.

But fair point.

Edger is right though - I believe men do it for poon, have I said that before?

Hunters in this example would probably stay away from hunting to a certain degree, especcially if he was AFC and do it for the girl - Would a women from the Bambi Society take up hunting? I bet she would - if the guys value was high enough.

What am I saying - I guess i'm going round in circles with this one.

 

[mrRuckus]

Women believe that they do not have to create anything practical because they have the power to create a new life

WHy should woman actually bother to "create" anything when they already have all that going on?

Men create life. And then slyly pawn it off on her to carry around. I impregnate HER. My genes are also the ones that decide even the gender of the new human so i create both new men and new women. She is just the incubator of the seed that I plant in her dirt of a womb.

When I plant a seed in the dirt, I do not say the dirt created the plant. The dirt just housed it and provided nutrients. *I* grew the baby just like we'd say the farmer who planted the corn grew the corn.

Except with women, the nutrients they provide to babies comes from food that men created and water that men cleaned so they don't even bother to do any basic function but to act as a transport system.