Married Women, Single Women

[STR8UP]

The old "NATURE/BIOLOGICAL TRUMPS" is an old card that is used to JUSTIFY your trangressions.

If I didn't do anything wrong I have nothing to justify. The law doesn't say it's wrong. And fortunately I don't let a church brainwash me into believing sh!t like this is wrong. That leaves other people's opinion. Well, frankly I could give a rats ass what other people think.

BTW, married women are the easiest lay. They are desperate and will sleep with anyone.

Care to back that up with something? Pu$$y isn't in short supply across the board as far as I'm concerned.

To say "If it is not me, it will be someone else" is the same criminal thinking a rogue on Wall St will say after he took someone for millions.

You keep comparing cheating to stealing, and honestly I would think if ANYONE could understand the fact that they are completely different since you OWN money but you DON'T OWN a person, it would be you.

 

[guru1000]

The law doesn't say it's wrong. And fortunately I don't let a church brainwash me into believing sh!t like this is wrong.

Forget about the church.

I know you are not NAIVE enough to believe the LAW determines what is right or wrong. The FEDS are the biggest crooks around and if you don't know that; I hope for your own sake you will never find out.

You keep comparing cheating to stealing, and honestly I would think if ANYONE could understand the fact that they are completely different since you OWN money but you DON'T OWN a person, it would be you

Whether cheating or stealing, the old cliche "If it is not me, it will be someone else" is the card most will pull in justification of action.

Sure there is a difference between a women WILLINGLY spreading her legs and STEALING (not willingly taking).

But when you say this,

I never found cheating "despicable". I don't believe it is RIGHT to do

You know it's against your own MORAL yet you act on it. This is where the real problem lies.

If you truly believed it was RIGHT, then I couldn't argue with you. This would be your conviction.

Your conviction or let's say MORAL states "It is wrong" and this card of "NATURE trumps Conviction" is the excuse layering I know you are ABOVE.

 

[Señor Fingers]

And you found this out how? Oh yea, I forgot....they passed that new law requiring people's official medical records to be posted on the internet....

If you must know the truth, my bud had an affair with her and got himself herpes and genital warts for life in the process. It can happen to anyone, but your odds drastically increase when you are banging easy, promiscuous women.

I'm not trying to judge you STR8, but with this thread you have essentially relinquished any right to complain about moral bankruptcy. Even though I consider the woman in this equation to be the biggest disgrace, you are still playing your part in this dirty little game, and sleeping with the enemy you've gone to such great lengths to expose. I guess it's true what they say -you attract whatever you focus on.

All the same, I am glad you finally broke that dry spell. Perhaps this will whet your appetite for brighter prospects.

 

[Latinoman]

I agree. While to a degree female friend's may be similar, but in every girl group there's the hot girl, the fat UG, the "good" girl etc. I don't know how many times I've seen a girl at the end of the night and all her girl friends have split off to hook up with guys.

Here is the thing...in this particular case, these two women came from "up north" to visit this "good chick" and hang around with her.

This is more than just a group. This is actually TWO women that are cheaters and go party to meet men so they can cheat on their husbands...and a woman that facilitate this lifestyle to them.

 

[STR8UP]

Forget about the church.

I know you are not NAIVE enough to believe the LAW determines what is right or wrong. The FEDS are the biggest crooks around and if you don't know that; I hope for your own sake you will never find out.

So we both agree that the law and the church should not be our roadmap to right and wrong. That leaves us with public opinion. And I for one refuse to let the clueless masses point me in the right direction.

You know it's against your own MORAL yet you act on it. This is where the real problem lies.

If you truly believed it was RIGHT, then I couldn't argue with you. This would be your conviction.

Your conviction or let's say MORAL states "It is wrong" and this card of "NATURE trumps Conviction" is the excuse layering I know you are ABOVE.

No, I said I don't think it''s RIGHT for a person to cheat on another, but at the same time it isn't WRONG to be a third party to the transaction.

And nature will ALWAYS prevail in the long haul. Our species survival depends on it.

 

[Latinoman]

I don't see it being any different than having sex with a chick who has a b/f. Or a girl who is "seeing" someone else. Where do you draw the line? How do you KNOW where the line even is? The answer is, most of the time YOU DON'T.

The quote above is a clear indication that you are maturely handicapped and quite honestly ignorant. Come on, STR8UP? Are you 15? Start acting like a man or at the very least understand the consequences of the actions we as man get involved. Do not justify things, even when they are wrong, as those are the qualities of a woman (clear indication of what hanging out with women are doing to your character).

I have phucked my share of women that have boyfriends, fiances, men living with them, and husbands. I know what was wrong and what was borderline wrong and what was acceptable.

There is a HUGE difference between a woman that is seeing somebody and a woman that is married. There legal differences as in a divorce, a man tends to lose a LOT (even if she was the one cheating). And when a man is in a stage in which he is going to be broken economically ($$), emotionally (kids, etc.), and psychologically (his manhood)...that man has the potential to do something criminal and crazy as he has almost nothing to lose.

Furthermore, if we, as men contributed toward that...that shows we have very serious character flaws.

You have a LOT ways to go to become a mature man.

 

[Latinoman]

Yea, and what IS a marriage certificate anyway? It's a fukking piece of paper.

See? This is exactly what a WOMAN would say. The more I read your replies, the more convinced you have been womanized.

Then why you just don't get married? Wait...because as a "m"an...you know that in a divorce you will lose BIG time economically. It is a piece of paper for women...but a SERIOUS legal document for a man. Make no mistake about that.

Do not undermine the power of that piece of paper when it comes to a man's financial future.

 

[DavenJuan]

AGHHHHH

i have soo many issues with whats going on in this thread it is ridicioulous.

first off.. there are soo many threads started on this board about a guy f*cking someones gf. trying to GET someones gf.

i have never seen such an outlash regarding this topic.

now of course there are going to be different opinions on this topic just like any other, and thats what i love about this place, but c'mon..

we are losing the value in what this thread was originally intended for.

isnt it more intriguing on WHY a married women would sleep with anyone ( no offense str8) and a women from the same group will not even explore other options because she is "stuck" on something she cant have?

id rather discuss this issue rather than go back and forth on why its unacceptable to sleep with a married women. save it for another thread boys

 

[Latinoman]

I'll fukk a guy's wife if she's asking for it and she strikes my fancy, but you could put me in a room with $10mil of his money and tell me that I could take all of it with no consequence, and I wouldn't touch a penny even if I was destitute.

There is a HUGE difference between the two, and it's only a SERIOUS AFC who would put any more than a passing thought into seeking retribution when a guy screws his wife, unless he is supposedly your friend, and even then a MAN would simply walk away from both of them.

Listen...by phucking his wife...you are already taking half of that $$$. You see? That's what he will lose in a divorce.

I know of a case in the West Coast, several years ago, in which a man went to his "wife" (they were separated) and killed her, her "friend", and a couple (married couple) that just happened to be there. He also killed himself. The children were playing in the bedroom with the couple's children...and all of them were spared. My understanding is that this man was not even unstable until he did this act.

Time to start seeing the word...having around with too many female friends is making you lose perspective of how some men would react in certain circunstances.

 

[Latinoman]

AGHHHHH

i have soo many issues with whats going on in this thread it is ridicioulous.

first off.. there are soo many threads started on this board about a guy f*cking someones gf. trying to GET someones gf.

i have never seen such an outlash regarding this topic.

now of course there are going to be different opinions on this topic just like any other, and thats what i love about this place, but c'mon..

we are losing the value in what this thread was originally intended for.

isnt it more intriguing on WHY a married women would sleep with anyone ( no offense str8) and a women from the same group will not even explore other options because she is "stuck" on something she cant have?

id rather discuss this issue rather than go back and forth on why its unacceptable to sleep with a married women. save it for another thread boys

I don't care about somebody else girlfriends as there is not a LEGAL contract involved there. A girlfriend or boyfriend can simply walk from each other. That's it. In a marriage...the economical and financial aspects are enormous for the man.

 

[Latinoman]

Redneck, mob boss, or mild mannered CPA, if you have to resort to violence over a woman, yea, you're an AFC with a capital "A".

There's a reason why you go to jail when you steal a man's money and not when you have sex with his wife.

More woman rationalization.

 

[Latinoman]

STR8 is doing what 90% of guys in his shoes would do. It's easy poon from a hot girl you shouldn't be sleeping with (taboo just adds to the excitement, don't it?).

The only difference is that he writes numerous threads whining and complaining about women being bad and low quality and cheaters.

He is either against it...or with it. He cannot be both.

And my issue here is that he goes into rationalizing his behavior...more like a woman would do.

I know the actions that I have done that are wrong and the ones that are acceptable. I don't justify the wrong ones (instead I live with them as that is what a REAL MAN would do).

 

[Latinoman]

If you must know the truth, my bud had an affair with her and got himself herpes and genital warts for life in the process. It can happen to anyone, but your odds drastically increase when you are banging easy, promiscuous women.

I'm not trying to judge you STR8, but with this thread you have essentially relinquished any right to complain about moral bankruptcy. Even though I consider the woman in this equation to be the biggest disgrace, you are still playing your part in this dirty little game, and sleeping with the enemy you've gone to such great lengths to expose. I guess it's true what they say -you attract whatever you focus on.

All the same, I am glad you finally broke that dry spell. Perhaps this will whet your appetite for brighter prospects.

EXACTLY. That's the point I am trying to make.

Also, I don't judge his behavior. All I do is judge his hypocrisy and also the way he is JUSTIFYING his behavior.

 

[Latinoman]

By the way...I still stand by the fact that the original post is a good one when it comes to the woman PRETENDING to be clinging to one man...while literally entertaining and fascilitating two married friends from up north to cheat in their husbands.

I can assure you that a woman that fascilitates and encourage this behavior is the type of woman that has engaged in some serious behavior of her own (won't be surprised if with a married man as that would be something that is done secretly and nobody would know about).

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Yes, Latino, he's fighting tooth and nail to defend what he did.

STR8 are you seriously trying to tell us that by getting involved in an adulterous encounter you should have no weight to bear for the repercussions? It was up to her to do what she did, yes, and it should be between her and her husband of course. You don't feel involved? You're trying to tell us it's ok because NATURE told you to do it? You had a choice and this was premeditated.

This event was methodically planned out by YOU. You spent the whole weekend "partying" knowing what was going to happen in the end. It wasn't just nature, it was INTELLIGENCE seeing everything pan out.

Do you know where you are? You can't BS us. I've been put in positions where I was PISS drunk about to make out with another girl while with my girlfriend. I didn't do it. I had a choice, even when I was wasted. Ask certain people and they'll tell you CHOICE trumps NATURE. Ask other people and they'll say the opposite. Guess you're the latter.

Guru is right. I'm going to read his post again.

Dammit.

 

[cordoncordon]

See? This is exactly what a WOMAN would say. The more I read your replies, the more convinced you have been womanized.

Then why you just don't get married? Wait...because as a "m"an...you know that in a divorce you will lose BIG time economically. It is a piece of paper for women...but a SERIOUS legal document for a man. Make no mistake about that.

Do not undermine the power of that piece of paper when it comes to a man's financial future.

The really ironic thing is for the past year ALL str8up has written about is the immorality of women these days, how they are all skanks hors and cheats. How he is so against that and just wants to find a good women.

Then he turns around and does the exact same thing he was writing against, and is not only trying to justify it but seems proud of it.

You have really fallen str8up. I hope someday you can pull yourself back up to the way I believe you once were. Though who knows maybe you were always like this.

 

[MacAvoy]

I don't see it being any different than having sex with a chick who has a b/f. Or a girl who is "seeing" someone else. Where do you draw the line? How do you KNOW where the line even is? The answer is, most of the time YOU DON'T.

The quote above is a clear indication that you are maturely handicapped and quite honestly ignorant. Come on, STR8UP? Are you 15? Start acting like a man or at the very least understand the consequences of the actions we as man get involved. Do not justify things, even when they are wrong, as those are the qualities of a woman (clear indication of what hanging out with women are doing to your character).

I have phucked my share of women that have boyfriends, fiances, men living with them, and husbands. I know what was wrong and what was borderline wrong and what was acceptable.

There is a HUGE difference between a woman that is seeing somebody and a woman that is married. There legal differences as in a divorce, a man tends to lose a LOT (even if she was the one cheating).

Personally I don't understand this logic by you guys out there. To me, its the exact same thing sleeping with a women who is married and sleeping with a women who has a boyfriend.

Especially with less & less people actually getting married and with the way men are even getting screwed just being in common law relationships. In my opinion they are the exact same thing.

I personally don't have a problem with either and more importantly I don't see the point in trying to shove your personal ethics down someone else's throat. To me it comes across as typical insecure behaviour trying to berate others to make yourself look better. Especially to strangers on the internet. But thats just my opinion.

 

[STR8UP]

Then he turns around and does the exact same thing he was writing against, and is not only trying to justify it but seems proud of it.

I am NOT cheating on anyone. I never have. I can say "I don't believe that cheating is right" and still sleep with a married woman WITHOUT being a hypocrite. It is WRONG for someone to break a trust bond, but that has nothing to do with an accessory to the transaction. Make sense?

Once again, thread totally derailed.

You know, I SERIOUSLY considered leaving out the part where I mentioned that I had sex with this woman, as I knew what it would cause. I threw it in there because it was relevant and I thought that MAYBE I wouldn't get chastised for not "closing the deal". I honestly can't win.

This wasn't a "lay report". This was supposed to be a discussion about how women think in a couple of different scenarios.

I make no apologies for my stance on this. I have stated it in the past many times, and I'm not budging anytime soon. You can tell me that I'm WRONG, but I am just as right as you are taking the opposite view.

So, if anyone wants to discuss the topic (what us men are up against when dealing with married women who cheat and single women who are single but not available) I will be happy to toss around some ideas, but I'm done with the morality debate, the armchair psychology, and trying to defend my stance.

Any takers?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

As far as STR8UP's behavior goes, I ain't saying he shoulda done it, but I understand,..

CONVICTION will always TRUMP BIOLOGY/NATURE.

I'll be sure to mention this to the next altar boy who accuses his priest of molesting him.

 

[DavenJuan]

.... back to the ORIGINAL point of this thread....

i think this ALL boils down to "the chase"...

in both cases the women are searching for something they have no realistic opportunity to have.

your female friend who is stuck on this one guy... i WHOLE HEARTETLY believe that IF this guy comes around, she would eventually realize that this "obsession" was manifested based on her OWN IDEA of him and not the realistic outlook.

this married female, is also looking for the things she knows she cant have on a everyday basis. like some if not most marriages, they become dull, boring and BOTH parties search for that void in other arenas of life. unfortunately they look at other intimate relationships instead of elsewhere.

so IMO i dont necessarily think that these women are entirely different.

i think the premise holds true to not just women, but both genders, we ALL want what we cant have.. and the sad truth in most cases, is we CREATE this idea and it gets bigger than what it really is