Married Women, Single Women

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I like Rollo's take on this. I'm in some kind of situation, I don't intend to actually do anything about it, but I've been beating myself for even considering escalating with a married chick. Like I'm supposed to just turn that part of me that gets turned on off, like there's a button I push that says "married girl/ no sexual attraction button". Whether you do it or not is one thing. Guess that's the self-control part.

 

[DonGorgon]

STR8UP I know I gave you a hard time before but nice report on the lay. I must also say you have always been an honest poster on here and I give your respect for that. To me that is the ultimate compliment I could give anyone. I am glad to see your back.

As far as married woman go.... There are alot of married woman who cheat. I would say about 25%. But it is not in a womans nature to cheat.. to open her legs to another man. From my real life experiences woman usually cheat because there HUSBAND stops fvcking them. I know this sounds funny but its true. The 3 married girls that I was good friends with all cheated because of this reason. If you were to ask the girl you fvcked about her husband I bet she has an unsatisfactory sex life with him. Chances are that if he was taking care of business in the bedroom she would not be cheating unless she is a major head case.

Women lie alot and very well... If you talk to 90% of married miserable men they will inform that their wives stopped F'in them... Women usually tell stories to make them selves seem like the victims when in fact they are usually the perpetrators...

 

[Mr. Me]

When I did the cheating...I knew I was unethical. Did I sleep at night? Of course...because my morals allowed me to do that.

You're saying that your morals permitted being unethical?

I get what you're saying. You see "Morals" as being completly independent per person so as to create their own set of ethics that can be at disagreement with the next person's moral code. So, if something is okay with you, even if you know it's unethical, you're saying it's fine because your morals are such that it's okay with you.

I think that's the wrong take. That's about your own conduct. Morals are ethics. Morals are a system of ethical values and principles that determine what is appropriate or not. Anything goes and can be appropriate if one doesn't have morals, such as when one is a child and hasn't yet developed that sense, which is why we need to be taught. But when one does have morals instilled, then there's an evident division between what is ethical and what isn't, which we're supossed to abide with. Morals do not permit unethical behavior, in fact, that's the absence of morals. That's being "immoral":

1. not in conformity with accepted principles of right and wrong behavior
2. wicked
3. not in conformity with the accepted standards of proper sexual behavior; unchaste; lewd

- from www.yourdictionary.com/immoral

It's like having traffic rules. I have my own traffic rules which permit me to pass red lights and stop signs even though I know that's wrong, which is my own personal conduct that permits me to sneak through one from time to time without having me feel guilt, we could say. But in truth, that's simply my not adhering to what I know are the correct traffic rules.

Interesting thought, but morals are not an individual thing. Your personal code of conduct maybe is, as is whatever may bother your conscience or not, but not morals nor ethics.

But the trust bond was broken by her before and independently of a willing accomplice.

That doesn't lessen anyone else's guilt when joining in and participating.

Anyhow, as to the point of this thread... yeah, so, married women cheat with men who make themselves available for that, eh? That's news.

 

[DonGorgon]

With that kind of truthful knowledge. I feel sorry for our race in general. We've lowered ourselves to the extent of living some of the most un-for-filling ideals. To have the ideals fail and then force ourselves into cheating on the very ideals we held dear.

We are only animals with huge egos.. you are expecting too much of us .. our basic carnal drive is to procreate societal requirements and laws come much later.... Nature does not care how we make more humans so long as we make as many more humans as possible... Complex societies and capitalism are the things that try to control the way we multiply... and in the end many of us will default to the carnal behaviour..

 

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This is usually the part of the discussion where we ask "then where do morals come from?" then someone says "God--without God we are all barbaric psychopaths" then someone says "no we make them--we figure it out as we go along" and then the thread goes on for another fourteen pages.

 

[iqqi]

I don't really need anyone to tell me where or why my morals are.

I am just glad that I love who I see in the mirror, and who I hear in my head. When everyone around me is being self-gratified and "doing them", not all is hopeless in my eyes, because there is always me.

It doesn't really matter what you call it, morals, ethics, frogs, whatever, words are just symbols of meanings. The meaning is what is important.

The real question a man in this situation has to ask himself, is what does this mean of me?

STR8UP is now a man who in one thread bangs a married woman and says this is what is done, and in a few others, condemns a married woman for sleeping with someone like him! That's one meaning that I take away from this. Hypocrisy at its finest.

But who cares what meaning I take from it. What meaning does STR8UP take from this?

 

[guru1000]

No, I said I don't think it''s RIGHT for a person to cheat on another, but at the same time it isn't WRONG to be a third party to the transaction

Federal Conspiracy Law states if you are a participant in a crime in any capacity (ie: secretary) and are AWARE of the crime you are guilty for CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT.

This arguement was taken to the Court of Appeals and then eventually to the Supreme Court.

This point has been argued many times over.

I do not agree a secretary should be culpable while the boss steals, however if you you feel cheating on a spouse is WRONG, and you KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY participate in this act , you are just as guilty as she is. Your role in the ENABLER. Just as anyone may be the enabler doesn't change the fact that it is you that participated in this capacity.

The issue is why did you enable? My take is your lack of perceived options.

 

[romangod]

This is usually the part of the discussion where we ask "then where do morals come from?" then someone says "God--without God we are all barbaric psychopaths" then someone says "no we make them--we figure it out as we go along" and then the thread goes on for another fourteen pages.

I'll throw in my 2 cents from one of my favorite authors.


"If there is no God, everything is permitted."


Dostoevsky

 

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Don't tempt me.

ooh I said "tempt".

 

[ketostix]

It's really simple. If str8up hadnt for the past year talked pretty much non stop about how immoral women are these days, then really what could we say? I mean yeah its not something I would do (sleeping with a married woman) but to each his own. But str8up had two themes to all of his posts over the past year, how he hasnt had sex, and people, especially women, who cheat, are losers.

Now he goes and contributes to that very thing he was railing against.

Very hypocritical imo. But i still love ya Str8up . I see a good guy in there somewhere.

The only way Str8up would truely be a hypocrite is if he got married and cheated on HIS wife, or if he cheated on any girl that he made a commitment to.

 

[ketostix]

I don't really need anyone to tell me where or why my morals are.

I am just glad that I love who I see in the mirror, and who I hear in my head. When everyone around me is being self-gratified and "doing them", not all is hopeless in my eyes, because there is always me.

It doesn't really matter what you call it, morals, ethics, frogs, whatever, words are just symbols of meanings. The meaning is what is important.

The real question a man in this situation has to ask himself, is what does this mean of me?

STR8UP is now a man who in one thread bangs a married woman and says this is what is done, and in a few others, condemns a married woman for sleeping with someone like him! That's one meaning that I take away from this. Hypocrisy at its finest.

But who cares what meaning I take from it. What meaning does STR8UP take from this?

It's kind of hard to ever have a guilty conscience when you don't ascribe to any morals that don't fit your own personal agenda huh? What moral code do you have? Give me a break.

 

[ketostix]

Federal Conspiracy Law states if you are a participant in a crime in any capacity (ie: secretary) and are AWARE of the crime you are guilty for CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT.

This arguement was taken to the Court of Appeals and then eventually to the Supreme Court.

This point has been argued many times over.

I do not agree a secretary should be culpable while the boss steals, however if you you feel cheating on a spouse is WRONG, and you KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY participate in this act , you are just as guilty as she is. Your role in the ENABLER. Just as anyone may be the enabler doesn't change the fact that it is you that participated in this capacity.

The issue is why did you enable? My take is your lack of perceived options.

All right but then why did the other married woman and the single friend enable?

 

[ketostix]

I'll throw in my 2 cents from one of my favorite authors.


"If there is no God, everything is permitted."


Dostoevsky

The way I see it whether there's a God or not and whether morals came from God or exist for whatever reason, it's concept and the ability to grasp it is a trait that is "programmed" into every man and is one of the things that makes a man seperate from an animal. Morals don't have to come from or depend another man, a dictator, or the government, etc., just like reason and intelligence isn't directly given to anyone by another person.

The main thing is you can draw a line between getting with a married woman or not. But I think what Str8up is saying is he draws the line at being in a commitment and breaking it as the line he doesn't cross.

 

[hithard]

STR8UP is now a man who in one thread bangs a married woman and says this is what is done, and in a few others, condemns a married woman for sleeping with someone like him! That's one meaning that I take away from this. Hypocrisy at its finest.

But who cares what meaning I take from it. What meaning does STR8UP take from this?

As far as I am concerned the married women should know better, the single man just wants ass. She is the one that swore on what ever oath. I think it has put a few people offside due to the fear of the fact that future relationships could endure the same thing.
I do not see what he has done as wrong wrong as he made no commitment to anyone else.Honestly I could care less about some guy I don't know. It is not his duty to look after other peoples relationships. If the married couple’s relationship has got this far it is obviously over. But AFCdom on the mans part is probably keeping it going.

Morale police please

 

[cordoncordon]

As far as I am concerned the married women should know better, the single man just wants ass. She is the one that swore on what ever oath. I think it has put a few people offside due to the fear of the fact that future relationships could endure the same thing.
I do not see what he has done as wrong wrong as he made no commitment to anyone else.Honestly I could care less about some guy I don't know. It is not his duty to look after other peoples relationships. If the married couple’s relationship has got this far it is obviously over. But AFCdom on the mans part is probably keeping it going.

Morale police please

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to str8up's post the past year.

 

[hithard]

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to str8up's post the past year.

immoral women posts you mean??
thats his reality ,and he poked one.A quick fuk is hardly a backflip.I know the deeper issues your talking about.But thats not what this thread is about.

 

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what comes around goes around.

 

[STR8UP]

so IMO i dont necessarily think that these women are entirely different.

Not entirely, but I do believe the motivations are different.

The chick who is infatuated with my friend is just an extreme example of a typical woman. I think that MOST women at any given time have some sort of hangup for a particular person that has the potential to affect their relationships and interactions with other men. SINGLE, but not AVAILABLE.

The married chick is BORED. She needs an emotional high, and I'm sure you can imagine the high she got when she got the fukk of her life just a few hours before she got on the plane to head back home. Now she's back to the grind and all she can think about is getting another "fix". She has had her "provider" for several years now and now it's time for some excitement.

 

[STR8UP]

IMO from his past threads its only been stated that "womens actions prove to him that marriage is more and more less likely to be an option" that he would want to pursue.

Yea, I don't get where some people get that I'm "whining and crying" about married women fukking around!

I might have expressed a little frustration in the fact that my theories on women and cheating are constantly being re-affirmed by what I see around me, but I never cried about anything. I called a spade a spade, and expressed my disappointment that even if I find a woman who I might one day want to settle down with, she is subject to the same rules of nature that the rest of them are, and there is a good chance that things won't last. Those are the facts and I have to face them.

the bottomline is, i dont think anyone is out there PROMOTING to go and sleep with married women. a married person is responsible to their vows and commitment

Exactly.

If I meet a woman and find out she is married, I don't pursue her.

But what if she becomes extra friendly toward you? What if she starts to get touchy feely and escalates physically? What if you are just there, minding your own business and she comes over and whispers in your ear "I want you to bend me over the table and fukk me"?

I could easily say "no thanks".

Hell, I don't even get a huge thrill from the sex itself....i get more of a kick out of hitting a chick's G-spot like it's never been hit and watching her climb the walls with pleasure. But fukk it.....I don't care too much to put a lot of effort into getting laid these days, so when a chick I find attractive is ready, willing, able, and practically handing me the pu$$y on a silver platter, I could care less if she's being dishonest to someone else.

 

[STR8UP]

Think of how different STR8's situation would be perceived if he'd been unaware that the woman was married. He still did exactly the same thing. Because he had foreknowledge we get pissed off that he's not wracked with guilt, but if he hadn't known and later found out we'd call her a slut and tell him not to be so hard on himself.

She even asked me if I knew she was married, right after we were done and she was telling me that we need to keep it quiet.

I did know, but only because my friend made a comment about it once or twice. It never once came out of her mouth.