Married Women, Single Women

[STR8UP]

I mix in a wide range of social circles as well so its not trailer park love either.
I never really worried about it till reading Str8ups posts ,but maybe mindset might play a role in attracting it?

Right on.

I see the same thing across all economic and social strata. I know people who live in the ghetto (literally), and people who live in mansions, people who drive old Mustangs and people who drive brand new BMW's, and I see it all across the board. It isn't limited to associating with the "wrong" crowd, I can assure you.

And as far as your mindset attracting this.....that isn't that case for me anyway. I don't believe i attract an inordinate amount of attention from women who are taken, but it does happen from time to time.

 

[ketostix]

And I don't agree that "birds of a feather" necessarily applies in a case of women's sexual habits. I see a BROAD range in most every female peer group I have ever known.

I agree. While to a degree female friend's may be similar, but in every girl group there's the hot girl, the fat UG, the "good" girl etc. I don't know how many times I've seen a girl at the end of the night and all her girl friends have split off to hook up with guys.

 

[STR8UP]

I would also like to add that men and woman in todays society have changed. But woman have changed more. If you get a guy from the 50's and have him date in this era he is going to have alot of problems with these cvnts. You get a girl from the 50's she will not have any problems dating today.

Very interesting observation, and VERY true.

 

[STR8UP]

And as for my rationalizing "poor" behavior on my part, I was thinking about it and this is how I see it.

I don't see it being any different than having sex with a chick who has a b/f. Or a girl who is "seeing" someone else. Where do you draw the line? How do you KNOW where the line even is? The answer is, most of the time YOU DON'T.

Get this through your heads people.....ATTRACTIVE WOMEN ARE RARELY 100% SINGLE!

When you start fukking her, chances are SOMEONE is out there who feels like he is getting his toes stepped on. I have been that guy MANY TIMES.

If you want to get all technical and start talking about vows and contracts and stuff that's all good and fine, but that's playing morality police. If I ever get married my vows will be to my wife and myself, NOT to god or the state or any other entity, and it will be ME making the vow, and I know that the woman standing across from me will be making the same vows, but at the same time I DO NOT OWN HER. Regardless of what she says standing there in her white dress for all the world to see, she is gonna do what she's gonna do. All I can do is stay on my toes and BE A MAN and let it play out as it may.

That's a big part of the problem here. Guy marries a chick and he thinks he OWNS her, in a sense. He thinks that if some other dude is banging her, that dude is trying to steal his PROPERTY, and that will never be the case because a woman is and should be with you by her own free will. If she goes hunting for d!ck or some guy manages to "seduce" her (which is pretty much bullsh!t in most cases) she did so for a reason. It might not be a GOOD reason, but YOU DON'T OWN HER. And you shouldn't TRY to own her.

That's why I said that fukking a guy's wife is not the same as stealing his food. Take his food....he starves. Fukk his wife...worst case it gives him an emotional boo-boo. WhaaaWhaaa. I've cried over a chick ONE TOO MANY TIMES and now I know how much of a pu$$y I was for doing it. Best case....he finds out and kicks her disloyal ass to the curb.

Bottom line- you don't own the pu$$y...you are just borrowing it. Consider it a loaner. If it breaks down you turn it in for a newer model and hope the next one is a little more reliable.

 

[reset]

Don't you ever worry about the other guy finding out? What if he's a psycho?

 

[ketostix]

And as for my rationalizing "poor" behavior on my part, I was thinking about it and this is how I see it.

I don't see it being any different than having sex with a chick who has a b/f. Or a girl who is "seeing" someone else. Where do you draw the line? How do you KNOW where the line even is? The answer is, most of the time YOU DON'T.

Get this through your heads people.....ATTRACTIVE WOMEN ARE RARELY 100% SINGLE!

When you start fukking her, chances are SOMEONE is out there who feels like he is getting his toes stepped on. I have been that guy MANY TIMES.

This is the point I was trying to make to Mr. Positive. Other than a marriage certificate there's really no difference between fvcking one girl and the next when you consider there's rarely a such thing as a truely single woman. Your hands will always get dirty when dealing with women.

 

[STR8UP]

Don't you ever worry about the other guy finding out? What if he's a psycho?

Can it happen? Sure. But it's almost as likely to happen with an AFC ex b/f, which is to say, it's UNLIKELY.

And I am especially not worried considering this particular chick lives halfway across the country.

 

[STR8UP]

This is the point I was trying to make to Mr. Positive. Other than a marriage certificate there's really no difference between fvcking one girl and the next when you consider there's rarely a such thing as a truely single woman. Your hands will always get dirty when dealing with women.

Yea, and what IS a marriage certificate anyway? It's a fukking piece of paper. I can use it to wipe my ass the same as a personal check. Both are only as good as the intent and circumstances of the person who signs it at any given point in time.

Oh wow, so you took an oath in front of your almighty creator....ooooooh....big whoop. If a woman can't be faithful when she has a committed b/f why would she be faithful in a marriage? A lot of you who are so against this say that it's fine as long as there is no ring on the finger. What the hell does it matter? The commitment is between two people and has nothing to do with paper or gold and diamonds or anything else. Trust is trust. Feelings are feelings. And if you start having sex with a woman, lots of times there is someone out there getting his feelings hurt, and lots of times some form of trust is being broken.

You know, I won't go into the story, but yesterday I heard the term "homewrecker" used for the first time in a long time.

Think about that word for a minute.

What is that word essentially saying?

It is taking the blame OFF of the person who is responsible for maintaining a trust bond with another person, and TRANSFERRING blame to someone else.

Personal accountability people....own your mistakes and deal with life, cause it ain't always what you might consider "fair".

 

[STR8UP]

Damn...this chick keeps texting me some female AFC sh!t and I didn't even give her my phone number.

I've created a monster!

 

[guru1000]

Can it happen? Sure.

You are dam right that may happen.

I personally have RESPECT for a married woman. WHY?

There is a camaraderie amongst MEN. I come from the school if you mess with a MAN's wife, be ready to have a bullet between your teeth.

I never put myself in that position because that is how I might RESPOND. So in this sense I have TOTAL RESPECT and would choose otherwise the MANY single women who are available.

You can justify both sides of the fence.

Just as you may justify stealing money. The difference is when you steal money from a guy like me, be ready for the consequence.

 

[iqqi]

An Observation

I am waiting patiently for someone who used to like STR8UP to appear. Because if nothing else, some posters still held out that STR8UP was atleast a decent man with integrity. They used that reasoning to explain away his disillusions and resentment towards society (but labeled 'women').

Well I myself will just point out that STR8UP has not made any advances towards becoming a better man or individual - or improving his own life, but like usual he is still very great at pointing out what is wrong with everyone else (but labled 'women').

To me, that is the most telling factor of this entire thread.

 

[MacAvoy]

Here is my take on why STR8UP ended up with a married women and not one of the many single women that he constantly has around him. It's what I said in the Man Eater Thread

I'm starting to lean towards the other camp because its seems like you got some closing anxiety.

Like your Good Will Hunting, you've been hurt in the past, you put yourself out there to a degree but never get involved at the next level because your afraid that if you do go to the next level, you'll end up hurt again or something.

mac, it's very possible that if str8 let down his gaurd she could take advantage, i think thats the point.

Its also possible if he lets his guard down, the neighbour across the hall might attack him with a knife, or if he lets his guard down, he might actually start to like a women instead of picking them all apart.

My point is, he's too busy finding faults with all these women around him, instead of just enjoying their company. Women don't have to be Mother Theresa to be worthy of your time, you can enjoy their company, then ditch them, you don't have to marry every women you sleep it. However he's scared to take a chance, that he never escalates to the next level with women.

If you go through and read all of his threads, he doesn't attempt to close, hence my choice of words, he chooses not to, for an explanation, see my previous posts. He's gunshy, cuz he's been hurt in the past, he's afraid to get out there and make a move on a women because he's afraid it might lead him again to his past pain. Its classic Freud.

So the point of all that and this post is that he went after a married women because it was safe, she lived 1100 miles away, she's attached, so there's basically no chance of him getting attached to this women.

However I feel bad for calling STR8UP out like this as I truly respect his skills and a couple of months ago I PM'd him asking him not to leave and to keep posting, then I joined the chorus ripping him. However I feel like I have to call a spade a spade. I honestly believe I'm right in my analysis here.

STR8UP,

I think you got mad skillz and have gone through a rough period but I think you really need to put yourself out there again and just take a chance and live life, don't build a bubble around yourself.

 

[STR8UP]

There is a camaraderie amongst MEN. I come from the school if you mess with a MAN's wife, be ready to have a bullet between your teeth.

Coming from Mr "Survival of the Fittest" I fail to see where you draw the line.

I'll fukk a guy's wife if she's asking for it and she strikes my fancy, but you could put me in a room with $10mil of his money and tell me that I could take all of it with no consequence, and I wouldn't touch a penny even if I was destitute.

There is a HUGE difference between the two, and it's only a SERIOUS AFC who would put any more than a passing thought into seeking retribution when a guy screws his wife, unless he is supposedly your friend, and even then a MAN would simply walk away from both of them.

 

[STR8UP]

Don't worry Iqster...soon enough I will disappear into the shadows once again.....

 

[guru1000]

Coming from Mr "Survival of the Fittest" I fail to see where you draw the line.

I'll fukk a guy's wife if she's asking for it and she strikes my fancy, but you could put me in a room with $10mil of his money and tell me that I could take all of it with no consequence, and I wouldn't touch a penny even if I was destitute.

There is a HUGE difference between the two, and it's only a SERIOUS AFC who would put any more than a passing thought into seeking retribution when a guy screws his wife, unless he is supposedly your friend, and even then a MAN would simply walk away from both of them.

Stealing VS EARNING is the difference.

You wouldnt take a penny that is easily attained yet you would bang an AFC"S only wife who would seek retribution?

The Gambinos and Bonannos must be a family of AFC's.

 

[STR8UP]

The Gambinos and Bonannos must be a family of AFC's.

Redneck, mob boss, or mild mannered CPA, if you have to resort to violence over a woman, yea, you're an AFC with a capital "A".

There's a reason why you go to jail when you steal a man's money and not when you have sex with his wife.

 

[guru1000]

There's a reason why you go to jail when you steal a man's money and not when you have sex with his wife.

Stealing a man's money is equivalent to raping his wife. Either way, you are doing time.

If he is willing to give you his money(write you a check) or wife spreads her legs then there is no crime.

This is a matter of ethics, not law. Either way, I do neither.

 

[cordoncordon]

Yea, and what IS a marriage certificate anyway? It's a fukking piece of paper. I can use it to wipe my ass the same as a personal check. Both are only as good as the intent and circumstances of the person who signs it at any given point in time.

Oh wow, so you took an oath in front of your almighty creator....ooooooh....big whoop. If a woman can't be faithful when she has a committed b/f why would she be faithful in a marriage? A lot of you who are so against this say that it's fine as long as there is no ring on the finger. What the hell does it matter? The commitment is between two people and has nothing to do with paper or gold and diamonds or anything else. Trust is trust. Feelings are feelings. And if you start having sex with a woman, lots of times there is someone out there getting his feelings hurt, and lots of times some form of trust is being broken.

You know, I won't go into the story, but yesterday I heard the term "homewrecker" used for the first time in a long time.

Think about that word for a minute.

What is that word essentially saying?

It is taking the blame OFF of the person who is responsible for maintaining a trust bond with another person, and TRANSFERRING blame to someone else.

Personal accountability people....own your mistakes and deal with life, cause it ain't always what you might consider "fair".

Wow you are really rationalizing this aren't you? I'm happy you got laid...I guess. But if you can't see that what you did, and she did, was wrong, then you really have fallen into the abyss of immorality. And I'm not talking about the legalities of marriage, the marriage certificate, the nuptuals, etc. I'm talking about what you did to a fellow man, and to I'm guessing a family. It is very easy to say things like, "hell, everyone else is looting during this riot, if I don't do it someone else will, so I'm gonna go get me a free TV". It's no different than what you did. Just because someone else may have fvcked her that night didn't mean that you were the one who had to do it. We all make choices in how we want to live our lives, and those choices make us the people that we are, both good and bad. And it is my opinion that you have become so despondent lately over women that you have basically said to hell with your own morals when it comes to the opposite sex.

I have often thought how easy it would be for most people to turn to a life of crime or violence if they had to go through life poor, homeless, without anything. It's just the way people are. When things get bad, most people just say fvck it. And that's what you did str8up. You said fvck it, both figuratively and literally.

You're better than this, and I think someday you will look back on this and be very ashamed.

 

[iqqi]

You're better than this, and I think someday you will look back on this and be very ashamed.

I was waiting.

Lol.

STR8UP, I don't really care if you stick around or disappear into some married woman's dirty laundry. I just don't think you contribute much right now, to yourself or others. I think you have come to a dead end, and until you decide to move in some direction, you are just going to stagnate in your own pool of resentment. Now you can add yourself to that mix of things you once found despicible.

 

[iqqi]

By the way, a man who looks for excuses to be less of a man, is in my opinion, an excuse of a man.




EDIT: What I mean by this, is if you are going to condemn women for being cheaters or having low character... then you should not be taking part of it. You constantly criticize the very ppl you choose to keep next to you. Birds of a feather flock together, and you just keep chirping on and on, but you are no different. And if you are going to be the voice of morality when you "expose" these ppl around you, then don't you think you should practice what you preach? Why do you need to keep looking for excuses to be who you really want to be, which is immoral and selfish? Just BE that person, then.