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Okay I'll tell you what, I said I was retiring from this forum and understand....I am retired from this forum. I am not coming out of retirement, but I thought I'll just bless this particular thread once again since my buddy skip2thelou created it.....and btw, I don't think skip is coming out of retirement either...

God of Getting Layed, let it rest? Seriously, your "theory" is not accurate, nothing you say is accurate. IF what you were saying were true, 5% of guys who get laid because only about 5% of guys actually look good, and for your reasoning as to say that the women that fvck a guy SEE him as a 7 or an 8...you are still wrong. I'll let you talk to some of the girls I'm talkin to right now, none of them see my looks as an 8, it's the way I make them feel when I am around them. I'll let you see their pic and everything, they are clearly 8's, I am clearly a 5....so let this rest. Your theory is wrong, stop spitting this garbage out because a newbie might believe you and thus NEVER GET LAID, because he'll send all his time on a plastic surgery table or pumping creatine pills. Stop it!!

"Ugly women do not require looks, so youre correct in a way. BUt good looking women? oh yeah, 90-95% of them require that they find a given man's looks attractive before he even has a chance with his game. MY experience is with VERY good looking women, good looking women are the shallowest of all. Do you think that fat fugly b1tches are going to be shallow? no! most have been humbled by their uglyness."

Let's not even talk about ugly fat women, let's stay on the obvious 8, 9, and 10's, okay? When I first go up to talk to a girl, you are correct, she does have to not be REPULSED by my face, but the only way a girl can be REPULSED by my face is if I have pimples everywhere, a couple black eyes, etc...God understand, NO GUY IS THAT FVCKIN UGLY. But listen, listen buddy....a girl COULD turn around and say, "Get the fvck away from me," because of the guy's lack of sexual vibe, and because of the guy's AFC vibe and flow that he gives off, that has nothign to do with his face it's his vibe.
 
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" I do recall one (study) that found that women will choose a stud over a short rich guy who is a doctor or is very educated. ie. looks were the primary requirement. Another found that height was an incredibly good predicter in a womans choice in a date, even better than a man's personality. again, what studies have you been looking at? In addition to the studies I have seen, my real life experience agrees with them."

God you do TOO MANY STUDIES. Why are you studying this like it's a chemistry project? First off, you just bit yourself in the azz with what you just said. You say the "study" found that women would choose a stud over a short rich guy who's a doctor or is very educated...WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S SO?? Majority of doctors are very professional and treat everybody that way, they wouldn't dare be seductive or sexual around anybody. The stud on the other hand, is usually always seductive and sexual....a woman's dream is to have a doctor (successful guy) who's also seductive and sexual (a stud)...WHICH IS ME!! I'm not a doctor but one hell of a sales guy.

God I have you figured out, you are either one of three people

1. Either you are a guy who GETS LAID, and doesn't really understand or know why and is just trying to understand it all.

2. Either you are a guy who doesn't get laid and has a wrong assumption that the reason you're not getting laid the way you want to is because your looks are not as good as they "should be."

3. Or either you are a guy who doesn't get laid and again, has the assumption that it's all about looks and you're having a hard time getting your looks to the point you want them to be and you are BITTER ABOUT IT.

In my personal opinion, you could be a little bit of all three. I think you get laid, but not as often as you like, and you blame your lack of getting laid constantly on:
Girls being all about looks and your looks are not the best they could be.

You need to listen to me and take what I'm saying to heart. I get paid 50% commission off a Real Estate loan, a percentage off a house sold, and 50% off of every new business that I bring on in my Energy company....I don't get a commission to come here and lie about women, lie about my experiences with women, or try and be a "guru" to guys online. I make it my favor to give back to this forum what was given to me...a helping hand.
 

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God you do TOO MANY STUDIES. Why are you studying this like it's a chemistry project? First off, you just bit yourself in the azz with what you just said. You say the "study" found that women would choose a stud over a short rich guy who's a doctor or is very educated...WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S SO?? Majority of doctors are very professional and treat everybody that way, they wouldn't dare be seductive or sexual around anybody. The stud on the other hand, is usually always seductive and sexual....a woman's dream is to have a doctor (successful guy) who's also seductive and sexual (a stud)...WHICH IS ME!! I'm not a doctor but one hell of a sales guy.
lol, no. studs are good looking men. DUH!!! a goodlooking guy is a stud independant of his sexual vide or game. two different things my friend! a guy can be a stud and have no sexual vibe. If a woman thinks YOU DJF, are a stud, then she means you are good looking, ie a 7+, and it has nothing to do with your game.

God I have you figured out, you are either one of three people

1. Either you are a guy who GETS LAID, and doesn't really understand or know why and is just trying to understand it all.

2. Either you are a guy who doesn't get laid and has a wrong assumption that the reason you're not getting laid the way you want to is because your looks are not as good as they "should be."

3. Or either you are a guy who doesn't get laid and again, has the assumption that it's all about looks and you're having a hard time getting your looks to the point you want them to be and you are BITTER ABOUT IT.
actually, Im scenario 4., I get laid AND totally understand women (much better than you). FOr one, I know Im smarter than you, so I can see why I would be able to comprehend women better than you. YOur brain is too slow, youll be 50 by the time it finally sinks in why your getting the women youve been getting.
 
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God of Getting Layed, let it rest? Seriously, your "theory" is not accurate, nothing you say is accurate. IF what you were saying were true, 5% of guys who get laid because only about 5% of guys actually look good, and for your reasoning as to say that the women that fvck a guy SEE him as a 7 or an 8...you are still wrong. I'll let you talk to some of the girls I'm talkin to right now, none of them see my looks as an 8, it's the way I make them feel when I am around them. I'll let you see their pic and everything, they are clearly 8's, I am clearly a 5....so let this rest. Your theory is wrong, stop spitting this garbage out because a newbie might believe you and thus NEVER GET LAID, because he'll send all his time on a plastic surgery table or pumping creatine pills. Stop it!!
If its so inaccurate, then why is it so hard for you guys to prove me wrong? you have yet to point a hole in my theory! you point out some example like dennis rodman and carmen electre; sorry to burst your bubble, carmen thinks dennis is a 7+. so that doesnt contridict it. nor would any average joes with a hot babe in real life. again, the babe thinks avg joe is a 7+ in her eyes. and you also try to say I dont have enough experience? We are arguing truth here. If the the theory explains all observed events, then it aint false. Experience at got nothing to do with that. ITs funny how you try to use this to explain away theory that makes perfect sense "oh, hes just a theoriest, dont listen to that crap! theory is different than real life". um, theory is a blue print that describes real life idiot!

And then you DJF try to say all the babes you fck think your ugly? as if this will prove it wrong. I find it hard to beleive! Most people who are a 5 will have Some, key word SOME, women that will think hes atleast cute. I really doubt that youre approaching all these chicks and laying them, and that NONE of these women are ones that think youre atleast cute? come on man, how dumb did you think I am? what are the odds of that? You keep saying that they all say your ugly or alright. Im sure there are a few that you have layed (remember, 5-10% of good looking women are an exception, they dont care about looks at all), BUt I say you are a liar if you say that most or all of the women you lay have told you that you are ugly. BULLSH1T! you have yet to prove my theory wrong, all examples are consistent with it.

oh but lets look at yours.. you say only the sexual vibe counts. If you have it, you win, if you dont, you get rejected. looks play no role....this is your theory! Ok, so here an example: a guy approaches these chicks Im with, they blow him off and reject him. as soon as he leaves, they start commenting on how ugly they thought he was "not very good in the looks department,lol". "eww, I would never date him!". no comments on how good/bad his approach or game was. this seems to contridict your theory. its clear he got rejected becuase they thought he was ugly. So the only way I could have observed this event is if youre theory is false!,<--this is logic. YOu can call it theory all you want, but we all know truth is objective, something is true or false weither or not you agree with it or not, or weither or not your just a theorist or someone who has experience. your attempt to call it "just theory" will not make it anyless true! and DJF,You have no clue what you are talking about, your full of ****. You claim to know women, but untill you can explain this example as well as millions of others like it, you dont know ****. You might get @ss, but you dont know what to attribute your success to.

Let's not even talk about ugly fat women, let's stay on the obvious 8, 9, and 10's, okay? When I first go up to talk to a girl, you are correct, she does have to not be REPULSED by my face, but the only way a girl can be REPULSED by my face is if I have pimples everywhere, a couple black eyes, etc...God understand, NO GUY IS THAT FVCKIN UGLY. But listen, listen buddy....a girl COULD turn around and say, "Get the fvck away from me," because of the guy's lack of sexual vibe, and because of the guy's AFC vibe and flow that he gives off, that has nothign to do with his face it's his vibe.
Yeah, but what if he had "a good vibe", but the girl thought he was ugly? what about this scenario huh? here what she would do: "Get the fvck away from me," lol, just like you said. If the looks aint there, vibe dont come into play. And let me reiterate: only good looking women are shallow and require looks, the 7-10 babes. if the woman sees you as less than a 6, sorry buddy, you dont stand a chance, being "alright" or "average" is the same as being ugly. you have to be atleast "cute". In fact, most attractive guys arent "hot", but "just cute". If you ask a hot babe what she thinks her bf is, shell most likely say "hes cute".
 
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God, watch your mouth now

"I get laid AND totally understand women (much better than you)."

You can be 65 years old, you will never understand women, for one thing, DIDN'T YOU SAY EACH WOMAN IS DIFFERENT, how can you understand "women" then, shouldn't it come down to a particular woman? Why don't you ask anybody on this site, ask any PUA, don't take my word on it. I doubt you get laid more than me, why? Because you probably spend more time in the mirror.

"FOr one, I know Im smarter than you, so I can see why I would be able to comprehend women better than you."

Lol, you think you're smarter than me because you spit out canned theories, lol, lol. For a wise man always sees himself as a fool, it's the damn fool who sees himself as the smartest man walking the earth. Again, this isn't college,I don't get graded by how much my "theory" sounds accurate, I get graded by the results I have. Again, why not meet up and let's SEE who's right? Lol, oh, but you'll just say DJF you're not a 5 you are clearly a 7 and the girl saw you as such, lol. AGAIN, did I not say the GIRLS say I'm not that CUTE...but I MAKE them hot, did I not just say that you troll, lol. :crackup:

"YOur brain is too slow, youll be 50 by the time it finally sinks in why your getting the women youve been getting."

Oh you damn right. At 20 and 30 you NEED to focus more on LIVING LIFE...not trying to WRITE A BOOK ON IT. At 20 and 30, you:

Number One: HAVEN'T LIVED LONG ENOUGH..to write a book on women, on men, on life, on sales, on Real Estate, should I go on?

Number Two: YOU NEED TONS OF RESULTS AND SUCCESS UNDER YOUR BELT. See I can't just fvck girls in Detroit to get up and become a guru on talk about my THEORY. I need to go fvck girls in Ohio, in Canada, in Austriala, in Asia, in Brazil, in Mexico, in Calfornia.....

I CANNONT CLAIM to know the end all and be all of women until I've FVCKED ALL KINDS IN ALL PLACES. Have you done that God? Have you lived that long to do that? I thought so.......

I KNOW FOR A FACT your theory is wrong. Again, just go get laid pal, stop trying to act like you are Pook or David DeAngelo and KNOW EVERYTHING..nobody knows everything...you just need to know enough to succeed.
 
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Oh yeah, don't get it twisted, I have no theory!


"oh but lets look at yours (theory).. you say only the sexual vibe counts. If you have it, you win, if you dont, you get rejected. looks play no role....this is your theory!"

I have no theory, I just said that FOR ME, when I'm seductive and sexual I get more progress it's a flow, I just go right into kino and sex....I don't UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WORKS. A theory is an understanding and a procedure of how to do something, I can't tell you how to get laid, I'm just sharing my experiences, hell, some guys could go around Ken Shamrocking motafvckas and get laid. There's a million ways to get laid, pick yours.

"Ok, so here an example: a guy approaches these chicks Im with, they blow him off and reject him. as soon as he leaves, they start commenting on how ugly they thought he was "not very good in the looks department,lol". "eww, I would never date him!". no comments on how good/bad his approach or game was. this seems to contridict your theory. its clear he got rejected becuase they thought he was ugly."

No it's not clear he got rejected because he was ugly, BECAUSE GOOD LOOKING GUYS GET SHOT DOWN LIKE THAT TOO. The only thing I COULD say is the reason the guy got rejected is because his seductive vibe and flow was off, but then again, maybe the girls just wanted to be bytches that day.....

I see your problem God, you are fvckin afraid of rejection, there's no strategy I could give you to eliminate that. Being seductive and sexual works FOR ME on women, but not all!! I've never met a 100% free throw shooter, but the guy who works on his free throws(interacts with women alot) will develop his own style.

1. Jason Kidd blows kisses to the basket before his shoots.
2. Some guys dripple a lot
3. Shaq...well, Shaq needs more practice.
 

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blah bah blah,

okay, Im experienced, But I aint some master who has tried every women every where in the world, and has experienced everythin reguarding women.

But that isnt neccessary to understand women. THat like saying to know if most people have a TV in their house in america, you need to go look at everyhouse hold and check to see if they have a TV. no, you dont need to do that. just small set of examples is enough to learn from. If I look at just 100 houses, and check to see if they have a TV, and I find that most of these houses have a TV, then this is enough to tell me that most of ALL houses out in USA must have TVs in them. Same thing goes with women, if you have experienced just 50 of women in america, then you know enough to make reasonably safe predictions about ALL women in america.

So get this bull**** out of your head that you have to be around for atleast 30 years to know what you are talking about. get this idea out of your head that you need to have tried all women to know women. BULL****. just a sample of the female population is enough to "KNOW" women. you dumbfvck!
 
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Oh yeah and God...I do actually like you, but umm don't say this again,

"If a woman thinks YOU DJF, are a stud, then she means you are good looking, ie a 7+, and it has nothing to do with your game."

Dude :crackup: so then why the fvck should I even say anything? Why not just STAND there and lean against the wall and let them all COME TO ME. :crackup: So...God, that should be my strategy from now on? Come on, you're the expert on women :crackup: :D
 
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No God, lol, hold on, stop crying buddy, did you not say earlier in this thread that

"DJF, all women are differentl" DID YOU NOT SAY THAT! But look, now you say this,

"If you have experienced just 50 of women in america, then you know enough to make reasonably safe predictions about ALL women in america."

Dude YOU JUST BIT YOURSELF IN THE AZZ AGAIN! How could you tell me all women are different, then now, you are saying all women are about the same....which is it my frustrated friend :crackup:

Come on Einstein get your theory together come on....the "class" is waiting on you....come on....
 

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Oh yeah and God...I do actually like you, but umm don't say this again,

"If a woman thinks YOU DJF, are a stud, then she means you are good looking, ie a 7+, and it has nothing to do with your game."

Dude :crackup: so then why the fvck should I even say anything? Why not just STAND there and lean against the wall and let them all COME TO ME. :crackup: So...God, that should be my strategy from now on? Come on, you're the expert on women :crackup: :D
I see what your getting at, but its something I have already aknowledged. you do gotta be sexual, true. BUT, and thats a big BUT, shes has to think youre atleast cute, ie a stud, before anything will work.

Heres an analagy: If a car has no gas in it, it doesnt matter if you are competant or not, you wont drive it. IF it does, then you have to be competant to drive it. DO you see the analagy to my thoery? you are saying that competence is all you need to drive, gas is irrelevant. bullsh1T, bullsh!t!! bullsh1T!
 

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No God, lol, hold on, stop crying buddy, did you not say earlier in this thread that

"DJF, all women are differentl" DID YOU NOT SAY THAT! But look, now you say this,

"If you have experienced just 50 of women in america, then you know enough to make reasonably safe predictions about ALL women in america."

Dude YOU JUST BIT YOURSELF IN THE AZZ AGAIN! How could you tell me all women are different, then now, you are saying all women are about the same....which is it my frustrated friend :crackup:

Come on Einstein get your theory together come on....the "class" is waiting on you....come on....
:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: uh, no i didnt just bite myself in the ass.

heres an example: Lets say I try 50 women. out of those women, 40% think Im ugly, 20% think Im cute, and 40% think Im fine as hell. THen its true, I can make predictions about ALL women, ie that any new woman I encounter will have a 40% chance of thinking Im hot, a 20% chance of thinking Im cute, and a 40% chance of thinking im ugly. As you can see women are still different, but that doesnt stop me from making predictions about them. that prediction above in bold would be a safe prediction on all women would it not?

I never said that all women are different, and then turn around and say theyre all the same. I said all women are different, and that in addition, you can make predictions about all women with experience from just a few.

"making predictions about all women" and saying "all women are the same" are 2 Radically different things genious! I mean, how the hell can you confuse them as the same? wow, I can really tell you are smart!

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: haha, you just made yourself look stupid!
 
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Three words God...

GIVE IT UP....

"Shes has to think youre atleast cute, ie a stud, before anything will work. If a car has no gas in it, it doesnt matter if you are competant or not, you wont drive it. IF it does, then you have to be competant to drive it. DO you see the analagy to my thoery? You are saying that competence is all you need to drive, gas is irrelevant. bullsh1T, bullsh!t!! bullsh1T!"

I said stop it with your theories, stop it!! You KEEP biting yourself in the azz, because I'm not saying that just need competence to drive, YOU ARE. If my car has no gas, no matter HOW GOOD IT LOOKS, I can't USE IT I can brag about how GOOD IT LOOKS all day, but unles I put the gas in the car, the car serves no purpose.

What good is it for me to have good looks without an ability to lead someone to a sexual/horny state? For the record, I don't need an NEW CAR(good looking guy), I could have an older car that still runs fine (a not so good looking guy) and still put the gas in (seductive/sexual) and get to my destination, am I wrong about that?

Dude, just give it the fvck up. You sound very stupid right now.
 

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I said stop it with your theories, stop it!! You KEEP biting yourself in the azz, because I'm not saying that just need competence to drive, YOU ARE. If my car has no gas, no matter HOW GOOD IT LOOKS, I can't USE IT I can brag about how GOOD IT LOOKS all day, but unles I put the gas in the car, the car serves no purpose.
THAT DIDNT MAKE ANY GOD DAMN SENSE! It in no way relates to my analagy! where the fvck do you bring in showing off a car to your ability to drive it? are you retarted?

What good is it for me to have good looks without an ability to lead someone to a sexual/horny state? For the record, I don't need an NEW CAR, I could have an older car that still runs fine (a not so good looking guy) and still put the gas in (seductive/sexual) and get to my destination, am I wrong about that?
youre not too good with analagies are ya? not the sharpest knife in the drawer! :crackup: now youre trying to switch things in my analagy, to fit yourside of the argument I guess. now your saying gas=sexual state, bwaahahaaaaa. dude, your just getting dumber and dumber as you post. maybe you should stop before you become a vegetable.

Son, just give it the fvck up!
 
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God you are a little immature kid, you should just grow up. Again, I'm not getting into this again...

I've proved your theory wrong many times. I'm not re-typing that stuff again.

You're wrong....period, end of story, go back and re-read why. Then you pm me, lol, talking about, "I want to see what you look like, I feel you are a geeky black boy." Lol...now I'm a geek? What will I be next, gay? All because I keep showing you your theory is wrong and fvcked up, I have to be first stupid, now a geek, next probably gay.....lol, all that huh.

How about this? Let's meet up, me you and some of the guys here. Let's see what happens, you in?
 
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I think you're a lonely boy who just wants attention, so I'll stop giving it to you. You're the only idiot on this site still fighting this, skip ADMITTED his theory and this site's list of theories were fvcked up and it took the JOY out of dating.

Look at you, you have no joy. You continully try to fight with me and prove yoru theory to be right so you can have guys come and say, "God is so correct, God is such the man!" And you build your self-worth that way, that's sad.

Pook made lots of theories on this site, when someone disagreed, he was fine with that. He didn't try reply after reply on the same thing argueing folks down. He was clearly against SS and speed seduction, some guys were for that, they had a good discussion on it. Pook stated his opinion and left it at that.....but you, you continue to still try and SELL ME your theory. I don't want it, neither does ANYBODY ELSE.

Believe WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, I'll believe WHAT I WANT, and continue to have the success I'm having, while you can continue to do whatever it is that you do.....

Which is this: :cuss:, I suggest some consulting God, seriously. I have some contacts, you want me to pm you some of them?
 

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for the record, all your posts were fvcked up.

you had all kinds of off the wall explanations of things, ie bringing in showing off cars in a driving analagy, suggesting a guy got rejected in a specific example when the girls already said he was ugly, etc. Its like your not even reading what Ive typed.

you remind me of that guy that made off the wall statements when the US invaded IRaq back in 2003. you know, the guy that said "the americans are NOT in bagdad!" and then the news screen split in two showing video footage of american tanks and soldiers parked right outside Saddams palace in Bagdad. he also said other rediculous tihngs like "the americans retreated!" in a battle we clearly won or "theyre using pencils as booby traps" and lets not forget "we will welcome the americans with shoes and bullets". Its like he was disconnected with reality, just like you are disconnected with what Im actually saying in my posts. YOu remind me off him with your very stupid posts.

You have yet to prove me wrong. I dare you to quote one of your own posts where you have proven me wrong explaining it with a deduction on how it proves me wrong.

Go back into retirement Gary.
 
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I'm tired of you, it's time to shut you the fvck up.

"Its like he was disconnected with reality, just like you are disconnected with what Im actually saying in my posts. YOu remind me off him with your very stupid posts."

YOUR THEORY IS NOT REALITY. You don't know every fvcking thing, you are not as fvckin smart as you THINK YOU ARE. You don't know what the fvck goes on in every fvcking lay!! How dare you get up here and post about me being disconnected with reality, BYTCH I don't have to agree with your stupid azz theories.......I know why the fvck I get laid, fvck off bytch.

From your private message,
"this is a credibility issue you got, more evidence is mounting against you."
SAYS FVCKIN WHO...credibility??? Bytch first off, you get your theory-thumbing azz up here talking about a theory, I continue to say it doesn't apply to my life, when I say it doesn't apply, you say I'm lying...FOR WHAT! WHAT THE FVCK DO I HAVE TO LIE FOR!! You are not credible, because everything you're saying on why guys get laid MY LIFE proves wrong.....


"you had all kinds of off the wall explanations of things, ie bringing in showing off cars in a driving analagy, suggesting a guy got rejected in a specific example when the girls already said he was ugly, etc. Its like your not even reading what Ive typed."

You brought up the driving analagy, wtf is wrong with you? The example of the guy getting rejected and being more persistant and getting a better response happens with me all the time. Just say you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FVCK I'M SAYING....i.e. and the reason you don't little bytch is because you don't know everything!

"You have yet to prove me wrong. I dare you to quote one of your own posts where you have proven me wrong explaining it with a deduction on how it proves me wrong."

MY LIFE PROVES YOU WRONG. Your whole fvckin point is this, " I have to be good looking in the girl's eyes to get a chance to run game on her." And MY LIFE PROVES YOU FVCKIN WRONG. I am not good looking, THE ONLY FVCKING THING THAT GETS ME LAID, is my vibe, flow, attitude, and behavior, take that shyt out and I'll be jacking off forever. The girls say I'm not that cute, but I make them hot...that's why they like me. Don't get your wack azz up here and try to tell me wtf goes on in my life just because it doesn't apply to your THEORY!!

And from your private message, I said you act like Lance Bass because you focus too much on what the fvck a guy looks like. Then your gay azz says, "DJF post your pic, then I'll know if you are good looking or not." What kind of gay azz shyt is that!!

Don't fvckin put my name in no more fvckin replies! I'm done talkin to your stupid azz.....if I was in the same city as you I'd seriously beat the fvck outta you. :mad:
 
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Urgh, lol.

Some people will just never get it.....glad I didnt' come out of retirement, lol.

To the rest of the guys here, understand that your looks are one part of the equation, a small percentage. You can't help it that your short, big ears, lol...but you can put on some good clothes, wash your azz, smell nice, and present yourself physically the best you can.

Losing weight is good, it's more healthier to be fit than not, but if you are extremely overweight, lol, your sexual flow and cleaniness better be a 10, lol.

Read my post entitled, "I have it.." and take that and apply it to your personality.

I must go back from this forum now, and I guess I'll leave another one of my quotes,

"Life is like a soda bottle. You enjoy all the tastes and sensations that comes with it, but after you're done, you can recycle it and give back to your community."

Guys I advise you to LIVE LIFE FIRST...if you are under the age of 50, don't claim to know everything about anything, because you don't. But take what you do have and enjoy the fruits...then when you get to older, give it all back. Lol, I've never met any sports player or fighter who wanted a coach his age, lol.
 
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