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I wonder how this would work with non americanized women. americanized hoes are very superficial.

The problem with this video is that it only outlines the extreme situations.

Most guys are average looking and of average build. With that in mind an average guy needs some kind of game or mindset to get these girls.
 

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DonJuanForever said:
God and skip...let's keep this going. Somehow, I just feel, that we are going to get a lot of growth out of this.....

God...
"Answer me this DJF, do you agree that woman are different and not exactly the same?"

Of cours, each one is her own individual, I do think that biology speaking, they are the same. I mean, every guy gets hard for Beyonce, but each guy is different than the other.
This is not the answer I was looking for, of course we are our own individual. I guess I wasnt specific enough. lets try again. DJF, do you agree that each women will have different tastes in who and what they will consider good looking vs. ugly? ie. one woman can think bob is a 9, another will think bob is a 3. DO you agree?


“Have you ever met a woman who told you to your face "you’re ugly" and was serious, and fvcked you when she was sober? how often has this happened to you?”

A lot. See, I know that sometimes I could act a little goofy, let’s put it this way, it’s not sexy, lol. I would the next day or the next time I see her, start acting more seductive and sexy, and the same girl who declared to the heavens I was the most unattractive guy she ever met, now all of a sudden I have became hot! Her friends are confused, my friends are confused...they don't understand how for one minute, she says how ugly and how unattractive I am...then, she hangs all over me. How often has this happened?

A lot, especially during my growth periods from my PVSSYEATER days to now.
*caugh* bullsh1t!

And to add to that question, how would he DETERMINE if he's a 9? How would he know? Based on each particular chick?....well, wait a minute guys, wait a minute. If that's the case, what if the chick who's clearly a 8 or 9, thinks that fat guys are 10's?

You guys are saying that every woman is different, and each guy would be seen differently to each girl....THEN YOU ARE SAYING, you have to be a 9 to fvck a 9, and a 3 to fvck a 3...but how would a guy know if he's a 4, a 9, a 17, a 3? Does he just determine if he's a 9 or an 8 by the level of sex he gets and from the hotness of the chicks? But what if the guy clearly gets hot chicks (7-9) all the time, but it's clear to Stevie Wonder, the guy is no god damn 7!
okay, a guy is a 9 if he is seen as a 9 by women on average. a guy is a 5 if, he is seen as a 5 by women on average. remember, women are different, and each woman will see you differently, some will think you cute, some will think your hot, some will think youre average, some will think youre ugly. But there will be an average; on average you might be seen as a hot, or on average, you might be seen as ugly etc. This average will all depend on how attractive your features are. Now how will a guy know if hes a 9,7,5,3? well, he could either post his pic on hotornot.com, thats one way to find out what he is, or he can learn how to "recognize a guys attractivness", not all heterosexual men can do this. but you can learn it. Just by being around women, and hearing them talk about guys they see in public, you can learn from repeated examples, for example, I have developed an eye for what is an ugly guy vs attractive (again on average). Ill hear a woman say "ohhh, hes hot, look over there, look at that guy", or some guy will approach the women Im with, theyll blow him off, then when he walks away, they looks at eachother with this "omg, I cant beleive he approached me, how rediculous" look on their face, then they all crack up together luaghing, and then actually say something like "not very good in the looks department, lol". Also by knowing which celebs are good looking vs ugly combined with real life experiences like the one I mentioned, one can develop an eye to know if he himself is good looking or not. This is how a guy can know. But when you approach a given chick, unless youre psychic, you wont know what she personally sees you as (a 9? a 5? a 3?), all you can do is know what you will be to the chicks you approach on average. but in order to fvck a given chick, she has to be one of the women who personally sees you as a 7-10, or nothing will work. If she does see you as a 7-10, then you can lay her with good game, shell let you fvck her. if she sees you as less than a 7, no game will work.


For me, and let’s keep this discussion going by the way. But for me, I understand that some girls I just CAN’T FVCK, not really because I’M A 5 AND SHE’S A 8, but more so on the fact of her attitude or outlook, or the “vibe” just isn’t right...it really has nothing to do wit I'm out of her league or something because I don't look like Chris Daughtery (lol, just name-dropping)
yeah, one reason no vibe is happening is becuase she wont let one happen, she sees you as ugly, and has already made up her mind about you. within the 1st split second when a woman sees you, she has already made up her mind about weither or not she will sleep with you, and is set in stone.

But, and listen. God IF your theory is right, DID U NOT SAY, that a 5 and a 8had no chance together? Hmmmm, is there a a fallacy to this argument? How could the 6’s, 7’s, and 8’s that I fvcked, “see me attractive” if I am clearly a 5? Clearly man...there's no god damn way they can see me as a 7, 8, or 9, MATTER OF FACT..if you asked them was I "cute" or not they would say, "He's aight..." "he straight.." "he okay" No girl I ever fvcked said I was so hot, but I MADE HER HOT. And the whole point of my discussion, is that you guys are saying it's impossible to make her hot...without being hot.
yeah, your clearly a 5 on average, but the women who you did fvck were one of those few who saw you as a 7-10. How many times do I have to repeat myself? just becuase your a 5 dont mean all women (100%) think you are a 5, get it? and your full of **** about the women youve layed thinking your a 5, they saw you as a 7-10, trust me dude, I know better than you.

Hold on I know, you mean “they” saw me as a 6, a 7, or a 8, too? But hold on God, hold onnnnn, I could CLEARLY TURN OFF MY SEDUCTIVE ATTITUDE, and these SAME CHICKS, will show distain. If you think I'm lying, COME WITH ME IN THE FIELD.
yeah, you could turn off your game, and they wouldnt be all into you, so what?, dont disprove nothing!. THey will still see you as a 7-10. they just wont be acting interested or anytthing in terms of their behavior, but in their mind, they still see you as a 7-10, and they will still consider you as sex material to them.
 

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DonJuanForever said:
Because I know god damn well I'm not hot, and there's no way a girl can "see me" as a 7, a 8, or a 9...a 4-6 is where I am at, and loving it too.:rockon:
Do you really honestly beleive that your a 5, and 0% of women will see you as a 7,8, or 9?

tell you what, Ill prove you wrong right now. post your pic on hotornot.com, and after you get enough votes, log in and look at your histogram, you WILL see some women voting your score as a 7-10! and it will hit you that you are dead wrong, and that I am way right :yes:
 

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PRMoon said:
I don't feel bad because I don't feel bad about that sort of thing but I can tell you first hand, money breaks all the rules.
bwaaahaaaahaa! haha, your a real comedian arent you!?
 

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quick story.

about... damn, 2 and a half years ago, I had just turned 21. I had lost about 20 pounds, hit the gym, had my company, was getting ripped to a certain extent, had a new car, new place, new clothes. had to turn away *****.

funny thing... I got complacent, put back on some weight.. however, I really haven't noticed it yet. I was to busy getting ass.

even though I had went up 2 pant sizes, It still never crossed my mind that I was getitng BIG again, well not BIG but back to where I was.

HOwever, at that time, becuase of my self esteem and what I thougth of myself, I probably got more ass in that 2 month span then damn near any I have had since, and I have lost the weight and then some. Good quality ass at that.

The point of people is that you are mistakenly looking at a man though a man's eyes, not a womans. if you don't believe there is more than looks that go into a womans mind to drop her pants, you hvae a hell of alot to do.

However being in shape, being successful usually go hand in hand, simply becuase people who take the time to stay in shape give a **** about themseves whereas people who are overweight?

in your little experiement you failed to have a controled experiment. You took 3 average ass people. What about if a guy is FAT and RICH? what about short and rich? What about good looking and retarted or good looking and flat broke/loser?

the point is, you don't get it. The reason I was still successful is becuase I still saw myself as the ****. even when I realized I had gained weight, I said damn, Ive ganed about 20 pounds but I am still a handsome guy, just got to get this weight back off. alot of the instant **** sessions when away but I lost no interest in anyone I was already banging and I still got play from now in then until I lost the weight.

I know a guy, who is 40 years old, does real good for himself, is a sales consultant ,and I do mean consultant, he consulsts compaines on how to sell more ****. Millionare, but not as well off as he should be becuase of exspensive habits and poor savings. Every bit of 270 pounds, might even be 300.

His wife is one of the best looking 42 year olds i have ever seen.

you have to be around him. He is the model of an alpha male. He runs **** and he will make it known. Gets as much ass on the side as I do and doesn't trick. And his wife will tell you, he's a big guy, but she is so 'at ease' around himj and he is so sexy "(and he's not a bad looking guy, just overweight)
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
Do you really honestly beleive that your a 5, and 0% of women will see you as a 7,8, or 9?

tell you what, Ill prove you wrong right now. post your pic on hotornot.com, and after you get enough votes, log in and look at your histogram, you WILL see some women voting your score as a 7-10! and it will hit you that you are dead wrong, and that I am way right :yes:
Hotornot.com is a joke. A complete joke.
 

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PRMoon said:
Okay looks are only one factor that may or may not have something to do with pick ups. Believe it or not but I see it all the time where looks definatley take the back seat to something else.

Come to think of it I got taken by a guy who wasn't nearly as good looking as I was. Nor could he ever out game me in the field. But he did have an E class mercedes and a AmEx Black Card. The girl we were both looking at ended up with him. I don't feel bad because I don't feel bad about that sort of thing but I can tell you first hand, money breaks all the rules.

lol, you actually won if you ask me.

a guy that has to resort to telling a girl he has an Amex black card upon meeting her is weak as can be.

a girl that goes home with a guy that lays a guy becuase of an amex black card is as weak as can be, or she is a hoebag.

nothing wrong with that in all honestly, but you did save yourself some heartache and you won because you didn't take it personal.

I will never tell a girl how much money I have. there are women I am ****ing now that don't even know what I do. I don't do it intetionally but I make sure I keep **** like what I can and can't afford off limits until we are pretty serious. I life great and have nice ****. that's all you need to know.
 

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backbreaker said:
a guy that has to resort to telling a girl he has an Amex black card upon meeting her is weak as can be.

a girl that goes home with a guy that lays a guy becuase of an amex black card is as weak as can be, or she is a hoebag.

nothing wrong with that in all honestly, but you did save yourself some heartache and you won because you didn't take it personal.
I think he whipped it out for a 40 dollar tab if you can believe that. I think having weak game and resorting to "flash and bang" in order to succeed is pretty sad. I won't try to impress anyone with my money (yeah i've got a little dough but I'm not rich) and I definately won't take some ho on a shopping spree in exchange for her "company" alone.

Have you seen those craigs list postings that say "Looking for a sugar daddy" or something to that nature. Those girls don't give two shakes about looks as long as the guy has deep pockets. Which goes further to my point that looks aren't everything, girls are in it for alot of reasons (none of that was directed towards you backbreaker)

Don't get me wrong I will buy a drink for a girl every now and again but never as an opening and I have to see a light at the end of the tunnel, otherwise it's a waste. If and when I do make it big, I hope to be married so I can do the socilite thing from a different angle then the one I'm in the game for now. Some days I'm f*cking exhausted...this town wears me out.

God_of_getting_layed said:
bwaaahaaaahaa! haha, your a real comedian arent you!?
Ooooo you got me good. You know being a serious KBJ will get you carpatunal right? Yeah, and you might need glasses too. That's probably gonna hurt your game, you might wanna easy off the gas as your flamethrower is glowing.
 

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it would have been funny if his card was declined...

I had an amex plat for a while until I closed the account after amex pissed me off.. nothing I couldnt' buy with that card. Literarly. as long as the bill was paid at the end of the month, was a good little card to carry around so I don't have to carry cash.

back to the point. the guy has small **** syndrome. he won the battle but I promise you he is loosing the war.
 

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this thread is holy

bump
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
Is it possible that conversation has died, and this thread should go down accordingly? It's served it's purpose, don't push it further.
 

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KillaCam said:
Is it possible that conversation has died, and this thread should go down accordingly? It's served it's purpose, don't push it further.
I agree. This turd need to flushed; completely. (whoops)
 

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looks dont matter. for fuk sakes let this rest bois. let it rest. i got a nerdy friend with money he isnt ugly but he is a slim guy(5)dressess nice in pphat farms and nice preppy urban wears and has a banging chick than anyone here would kill to have. he got money. we all talk about improving our looks to get girls .so if a guy with money and a nice car attracts girls then im happy for them. the girls a goldigger but tha is part of the attraction. money is also value and the biggest value at that. money and confidence(not ****iness). looks will get you attention from girls.but it isnt all there is to life and getting women. dont say ugly people say looks dont matter.i know im goodlooking and workout.i used to workout for women at first though i got massive attention from women and dates it didnt mean my less attractive friends wernt getting dates either.i got a friend who gets massive amount of stares from women but when he chats them up they act scared as ****. he hasnt gotten laid since july last year. while my idiotic friend who arnt attractive. go to the field everyday disgrace them selves and atleast get laid more. i think luck also plays a part in you getting laid. and women do something called a pitty sex. were they just fuk you for the sake of it. unactractive men can get laid. if they go out to the field and embarrass theirselves till they get it right while a looker would do that witout effort. but it dont mean ugly guys wont get laid either.

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looks dont matter. for fuk sakes let this rest bois. let it rest. i got a nerdy friend with money he isnt ugly but he is a slim guy(5)dressess nice in pphat farms and nice preppy urban wears and has a banging chick than anyone here would kill to have. he got money. we all talk about improving our looks to get girls .so if a guy with money and a nice car attracts girls then im happy for them. the girls a goldigger but tha is part of the attraction. money is also value and the biggest value at that. money and confidence(not ****iness). looks will get you attention from girls.but it isnt all there is to life and getting women. dont say ugly people say looks dont matter.i know im goodlooking and workout.i used to workout for women at first though i got massive attention from women and dates it didnt mean my less attractive friends wernt getting dates either.i got a friend who gets massive amount of stares from women but when he chats them up they act scared as ****. he hasnt gotten laid since july last year. while my idiotic friend who arnt attractive. go to the field everyday disgrace them selves and atleast get laid more. i think luck also plays a part in you getting laid. and women do something called a pitty sex. were they just fuk you for the sake of it. unactractive men can get laid. if they go out to the field and embarrass theirselves till they get it right while a looker would do that witout effort. but it dont mean ugly guys wont get laid either.

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yeah, but is he banging lots of different hot babes over and over? no.

Do you not understand my theory, MOST WOMEN REQUIRE GOOD LOOKS. just becuase you find one example where theres an ugly guy with a girl thats hot does not mean looks dont matter! My theory says that there will be a small percentage (2-8%) of women that dont care at all about looks. does this part of my theory not mean anything to you? I mean, is it not obvious that your nerdy friend is obviously dating the 2-8% anomalies? the rest of the women out the require looks. I dont know about you, but if 90-95% of women require something, Id say its pretty damn important, wouldn you?

Im not saying looks are the only thing that matters. Im saying looks must be present before any personality can work. Its like a car must have gasoline before a competant driver can drive it. If the car aint got no gas in it, it dont matter how competent the driver is, he aint drivin it nowhere. same thing with women, looks are required, but not the onlything involved in "making the car drive".
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
Do you not understand my theory, MOST WOMEN REQUIRE GOOD LOOKS.
Everyone understands your theory. The problem is that a theory without evidence is just speculation, and your theory not only has no evidence, it has a million stories worth of evidence against it. Both anecdotal and scientific evidence posted just in this thread completely and totally point to the fact that women of any visual rating will and can get with men of any visual rating under the right circumstances.

Women DO NOT require good looks by any means. Do they prefer good looks over not when all other things are equal? Sure. But that is far from good looks being required. If you thinK you're basing this off of experience, then your experience has been with very very shallow girls who are the exception rather than the rule.

Women think differently than men. Every scientific study on the matter has shown that women do not place as much value on visual stimulation as men do. So just because you can say that nine times out of ten, a man will pick a hot dull girl over an average looking but exciting one does not mean that women will do the same.

Unless you are a woman, you are in no position to try to tell anyone what a woman requires. Are you a woman?
 

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From my experience most women would accept average looks if the guy has a good personality.
As long as he isnt hideous looking of course.
 
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S1NN3R said:
Everyone understands your theory...Unless you are a woman, you are in no position to try to tell anyone what a woman requires. Are you a woman?
They're just children SIN. Until they've had time to experience life on the big stage of the real world they'll continue to hypothosise about how they think things are.
 
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Cod3r said:
Of course looks matter, I don't anyone would dispute that...

But with VALUE you can get around it... value gives you looks

Personality won't help you if you're ugly, nor will any other method you've picked up off the internet, if you don't have good looks like me or other good lookin people the ONLY thing that can save you is value...

Good thing is you can build value, its in your control... so hence there is nothing stopping you besides YOU... Also i believe the people that don't like the idea of looks being important are ugly or very very average, just my opinion... anyway


PS
Skip tks for posting videos I needed those laughs, classic !



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If you want to build VALUE then you had better become a pop star like Elvis Presley and Rod Stewart, or play basketball like Michael Jordan and Denis Rodman, or become an actor like John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, and you have have INSTANT VALUE of which all in the PUA community will only ever fantasize about. :yes:
 

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S1NN3R said:
Everyone understands your theory. The problem is that a theory without evidence is just speculation, and your theory not only has no evidence, it has a million stories worth of evidence against it. Both anecdotal and scientific evidence posted just in this thread completely and totally point to the fact that women of any visual rating will and can get with men of any visual rating under the right circumstances.
so that would make the popular theory among this board that "looks DONT matter" as speculation as well wouldnt it? and if it has a million stories woth of evidence against it, then it definitely will have 100 million stories worth of evidence favoring it.

Women DO NOT require good looks by any means. Do they prefer good looks over not when all other things are equal? Sure. But that is far from good looks being required. If you thinK you're basing this off of experience, then your experience has been with very very shallow girls who are the exception rather than the rule.
Ugly women do not require looks, so youre correct in a way. BUt good looking women? oh yeah, 90-95% of them require that they find a given man's looks attractive before he even has a chance with his game. MY experience is with VERY good looking women, good looking women are the shallowest of all. Do you think that fat fugly b1tches are going to be shallow? no! most have been humbled by their uglyness.

Women think differently than men. Every scientific study on the matter has shown that women do not place as much value on visual stimulation as men do. So just because you can say that nine times out of ten, a man will pick a hot dull girl over an average looking but exciting one does not mean that women will do the same.
Yeah it does! I dont know what studies you have been looking at, but I do recall one that found that women will choose a stud over a short rich guy who is a doctor or is very educated. ie. looks were the primary rquirement. Another found that height was an incredibly good predicter in a womans choice in a date, even better than a man's personality. again, what studies have you been looking at? In addition to the studies I have seen, my real life experience agrees with them.

Unless you are a woman, you are in no position to try to tell anyone what a woman requires. Are you a woman?
So I guess unless I am a cat, I am in no position to say what kinds of food it would prefer right? But Ill do it anyway, and be right. Cats like to eat meat, preferable poultry and fish. haha.
 
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