Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[God_of_getting_layed]

I understand what you and skip are saying, what I'M SAYING, is that why haven't MY LOOKS stopped me from banging hot chicks? I don't look like a GQ, looks wise I would rate me a 5. But my personality is over 10.....

for the 1000th time, all the chicks you have layed so far, all have found you atleast somewhat attractive. 0% of them have thought you were ugly. Although, you are a 5, thats why MOST women find you ugly and have no interest. THis is why you dont lay and never will be able to lay MOST women.
Have you not picked up on the pattern yet? if a girl has fvcked you, she thought you were good looking, even though most women would think your ugly as sin. I mean, has the key concept not sunk in yet? where theres a guy fvcking a hot girl, theres a girl who sees a guy who is attractive and good looking (in her eyes) Its called playing the numbers game, and finding the mutual attraction. This is how you have gotten layed so far, and this is how you will continue to do so. I have gotten layed for the same reason, Every girl I have fvcked thought I looked good, every girl that I got rejected with thought I was ugly. Something tells me that reason you cant comprehend this concept is becuase you dont understand women have different tastes. Being good looking is a subjective thing. you act like becuase youre a 5, all women see you as a 5. Not true. Just to prove it, I dare you to post your pic on hotornot.com. When you log in to check your score, it gives you a histogram, even though your avg score will probably be a 5, the histogram will show that some women have rated you a 10, and some have rated you a 2. hmmmm, maybe the same type of women who are rating you a 10 are the same type of women who are letting you fvck them!?, gee, thats hard to understand isnt it? there are women out there who personally think you are a 9 or 10. even though your generally speaking, er, a 5. You have already met some of these women, these are the women you have layed so far. As soon as you understand that women are different, the sooner you will see the light my friend.

God, skip, bvbidd...all I'm saying, is where do you get this information? I get laid, my boys get laid, we are the coolest guys in the club, all the chicks are on us.

And how does you getting layed disprove our theory?, remind me on that one.

We are not GQ models. I do NOTICE a lot of pretty boys standing against the walls though.

Im sure you see even more guys who are ugly-average standing against the wall. lol. Am I right? yeah, Im right, :yes:

God, skip, bvbidd, I just don't see where your theory is right. That's why, I continue.....to disagree.

Go back up a few paragraphs, I explain your key issue why you dont see the light...its simple, you cant comprehend that women are different, some women dont think you are ugly, some think you are hot--> THese are the ones you are laying. get it?

God, here's the thing...and I got to stop calling you God, it feels like I'm praying. The thing is, I'm NOT saying a GQ model wouldn't get an initial look....but answer this question honestly, you skip, and bvbidd. Do you HONESTLY think a woman fvcked you because you were cute, or did your flow, sexuality, and seductive attitude have mostly to do with it?

Both, you see, becuase she thought I was hot, it gave me the POTENTIAL to fvck her; she wanted me and was waiting for me to move in and give it to her. key work potential. it was my game that exploited the potential, and then lead to the lay. But you see, If a woman thinks Im ugly, which some do, then the potential is not there, and so even trying my best game, I will fail, Ill get rejected. You have to get the potential before you do anything. and so it all comes down to looks, becuase that ultimately dictates if the potential will be there. She has to find me attractive, or im nothing.

And hey, if you believe it was your looks, I respect that, and let's end this discussion, because most of all, all I care about is if you three are getting laid, enjoying life, and making money. That's what the goal of this site is, and I just log in to help some folks.

Well Ill have you know, Im getting layed, enjoying life, and making money. Life is good. so are you happy now? can you stop posting? becuase you obviously dont even understand what me and skip are talking about ( I guess its a low IQ. maybe the white mans fualt huh?), and so you dont belong in this discussion.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Where do you get this information? I go to the club God, and I grind every woman in there, I make out a lot, I leave with numbers. When I sarge about 8 girls, my average is about 6 numbers and 3 fvcks. These are quality, hot women....where do you get this information God? That's all I want to know?

Im questioning what you call "quality hot women", lol. but to the point, I answer this question at the end of this post, becuase you ask it again.

God....one day I would approach a chick and she would blow me off. The next time I see her, she's receptive to me. My looks were the same, I know that one day I was less sexual around her.

Well you do that buddy, you just keep on waiting and waiting and waiting for that day okay? but when and if it does come, know this, that woman was one of those women who just dont care about looks at all. THese women do exist, but theyre a small minority. youll meet a few in your life time. My theory applies to roughly 95% of hot women out there. so those 5% women who are anomalies, my theory doesnt apply. again, women are different, youll see this concept over and over, its one of the key concepts in my theory.

Answer me this DJF, do you agree that woman are different and not exactly the same?

All I want to know God, is where do you get this information? From my experiences with life for 22 and a half years, I have not experienced what you are saying.....and I talk with women all the time buddy.

my experiences, talking with women, and observing other mens success and failure in real life. Have you ever met a woman who told you to your face "youre ugly" and was serious, and fvcked you when she was sober? how often has this happened to you? I mean, if YOUR theory is true AND you got mad game like you claim, then this should happen alot, but something tells me it doesnt, am I right? :yes: yes we have another winner!

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I just want to make a comment on this whole thread as in general.

This thread is actually one of the best things to happen to so suave.com. Most of the advice being posted on here is the same crap being posted over and over again. New breakthroughs need to be made in this boards understanding of women. But the problem is (and why no progress has been made) is becuase this board fiercly resists progress. any idea that goes against its current way of thinking gets flammed, people get outraged, and b1tch and try to close the threads, and they come up with stupid excuses like "this thread is annoying, its too long," or "stop flamming" or "your a troll, close the thread". Any new idea that is a potential break through will sound alien, and will go against your beleifs, but if you want progress, you need to keep an open mind, and give an idea a chance, try to open your mind and understand it before you reject it.

This thread is one of those threads covering an idea that has so much truth to it, the idea deserves to be explored and people need to look at it with an open mind. its not so far fetched that women are just like men, IN THE RESPECT THAT THEY PLACE HIGH IMPORTANCE ON LOOKS JUST LIKE MEN DO. personality and game are just as important and shouldnt be neglected. This theory doesnt deny that. The difference is that it states that women place high importance on looks, just like men do, which contrasts with the current way of thinking that states that women place little or no importance on looks.

If this theory was wrong or stupid, this thread probably would not have reached 13 pages. it would have been unanimously rejected and ignored, and wouldnt have made it past 2 pages. but the fact that its still alive and is becoming such a big deal thread just shows that enough people are backing it to fight against the people who want to kill the theory. why are there enough people backing it? why does similar threads like this keep re-emerging? The answer is becuase it is touching on an idea that holds alot of truth, and its trying to mature into an accepted truth.

This is a very important issue, a very important thread, a ground breaking idea. This theory really needs to be put into the DJ bible, it explains so much that it cant be denied.

 

[skip2mylou781]

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djf - if u **** alot of girls, theres no way ur a 5, i really wanna c wat u look like

i dunno how much longer we can go with this, but GOOD LOOKING GUYS **** GOOD LOOKING GIRLS ON A CONSTANT BASIS

UGLY GUYS **** LESS THAN GOOD LOOKING GIRLS ON CONSTANT BASIS (if their standards r low enough

when i was somewat ugly myself but developing game 3 years ago, i ****e about 10 girls, all together they were an average of a 5/10

as i got better looking, i kept ending up with better looking girls, cuz naturally, the good looking girls want the good looking guy (as long as he's sexual and initiates)

PERIOD

 

[skip2mylou781]

I just want to make a comment on this whole thread as in general.

This thread is actually one of the best things to happen to so suave.com. Most of the advice being posted on here is the same crap being posted over and over again. New breakthroughs need to be made in this boards understanding of women. But the problem is (and why no progress has been made) is becuase this board fiercly resists progress. any idea that goes against its current way of thinking gets flammed, people get outraged, and b1tch and try to close the threads, and they come up with stupid excuses like "this thread is annoying, its too long," or "stop flamming" or "your a troll, close the thread". Any new idea that is a potential break through will sound alien, and will go against your beleifs, but if you want progress, you need to keep an open mind, and give an idea a chance, try to open your mind and understand it before you reject it.

This thread is one of those threads covering an idea that has so much truth to it, the idea deserves to be explored and people need to look at it with an open mind. its not so far fetched that women are just like men, IN THE RESPECT THAT THEY PLACE HIGH IMPORTANCE ON LOOKS JUST LIKE MEN DO. personality and game are just as important and shouldnt be neglected. This theory doesnt deny that. The difference is that it states that women place high importance on looks, just like men do, which contrasts with the current way of thinking that states that women place little or no importance on looks.

If this theory was wrong or stupid, this thread probably would not have reached 13 pages. it would have been unanimously rejected and ignored, and wouldnt have made it past 2 pages. but the fact that its still alive and is becoming such a big deal thread just shows that enough people are backing it to fight against the people who want to kill the theory. why are there enough people backing it? why does similar threads like this keep re-emerging? The answer is becuase it is touching on an idea that holds alot of truth, and its trying to mature into an accepted truth.

This is a very important issue, a very important thread, a ground breaking idea. This theory really needs to be put into the DJ bible, it explains so much that it cant be denied.

people go against it for several reasons:

a)they been mistified by david deangelo and other PUAs that looks simply dont matter
b)they're too ugly to wanna believe that LOOKS is wat makes the best FIRST impression
c)they never tried to hit on the hottest girls and get rejected instantly cuz they mite not b up to their standards (im a 7 and i got rejected 9/10 times whenever i try to talk to a hb9, cuz even ME, i am not good lookin enouhg for her the second i see her

THE SIMPLE THING GUYS DONT REALIZE IS, IF A GIRL IS A 9/10, AND SHE TRIES SO HARD TO LOOK GOOD, WHY WOULD SHE GO FOR SOMEONE WHO LOOKS REALLY BAD AND DOESNT TRY WITH THEIR LOOKS AT ALL??? (LIKE A 3 OR A 4 OUTTA 10)

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

what cracks me up is they try to kill our theory by bringing up examples of supposed ugly guys fvcking hotties. DJF uses himself as an example, lol.

other examples used are vind diesel. hes ugly in the face thay all say, but he gets chicks, which they acredit to his alphaness. I have actually looked into him; I asked chicks who said he was hot "do you think he has an attractive face?", they said, yes he had a nice face. another exmple, 50 cent, another ugly face (to me and other men) who supposedly gets ass becuase hes alpha, I asked a girl who though he was hot "do you think he has a nice face?" again a yes. So I see a pattern here. If a guy is ugly, and hes fvcking a chick, the chick he is fvcking does in fact think he is hot, THATS WHY SHES FVCKING HIM. its very simple, women place high importance on looks, and only let guys she personally finds attractive fvck her.

A woman will never let a guy she personally finds ugly fvck her. sorry DJF, all the women yove layed thought you were good looking, sorry, hate to burst your bubble buddy, just trying to show you the light.

 

[Production6257]

OK, can everyone at least agree with this?

In my opinion, your "look" is the average of your face, body, and personality.
Let's say your body is an 8, your face is a 6, and your personality is a 7.

8+6+7 = 21... 21/3 = 7. So you would be a 7/10 to a girl. If you could up your personality to a ten then: 8+6+10 = 24... 24/3 = 8.

So IMO, personality does play a big role, but of course looks also count. Both play a major role in attraction.

 

[belividere]

THE SIMPLE THING GUYS DONT REALIZE IS, IF A GIRL IS A 9/10, AND SHE TRIES SO HARD TO LOOK GOOD, WHY WOULD SHE GO FOR SOMEONE WHO LOOKS REALLY BAD AND DOESNT TRY WITH THEIR LOOKS AT ALL??? (LIKE A 3 OR A 4 OUTTA 10)

THE SIMPLE THING THAT YOU AREN'T WILLING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE GIRLS WHO TRY SO HARD TO LOOK GOOD AND BE 9's OR 10's DO IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL LEFT OUT, WANT TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION, THINK THAT EVERYONE OWES THEM SOMETHING, AND ARE NAIVE LITTLE THUMB SUCKING KIDS THAT PRETEND THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THEM.

SO MY SHORT, FAT FRIEND ENTERS THE BAR/CLUB AND EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK TO HIM, EVERYONE WANTS TO LISTEN TO HIM, EVERYONE WANTS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED BY HIM, BECAUSE HE IS THE COOL GUY. HE DOESN'T LOOK GOOD OR CARE TO LOOK GOOD, HE JUST GARNERS MORE ATTENTION THAN THE SKANKY HOT GIRL IN THE CORNER WITH HER THONG HANGING OUT OF HER ASS AND 5 SQUARE INCHES OF SHIRT.

(man caps lock is for douchebags btw)

Anyways, the guy could sell ice in Antartica and gets laid all the time. His name precedes him wherever he goes which surpasses any bvll**** first second she see's you jive.

I would rather be in his shoes than some douchebag A&F model who cant talk to anything but his mirror. And honestly I have no idea if you guys have reached the same conclusion in this thread or not because it was so helmet worthy that I gave up reading like 13 pages ago. I'd suggest a search on this topic, because it's been beatin to death over the past several years, for anyone who actually has an intelligent mind.

 

[skip2mylou781]

ur short friend gets friends and attention, but he doesnt get layed

no one cares about havin 100 girls talk to u in a club and be friends with u, its all bout findin that ONE girl and takin her home that nite to **** her

chump

 

[DonJuanForever]

God and skip...let's keep this going. Somehow, I just feel, that we are going to get a lot of growth out of this.....

God...
"Answer me this DJF, do you agree that woman are different and not exactly the same?"

Of cours, each one is her own individual, I do think that biology speaking, they are the same. I mean, every guy gets hard for Beyonce, but each guy is different than the other.

“Have you ever met a woman who told you to your face "you’re ugly" and was serious, and fvcked you when she was sober? how often has this happened to you?”

A lot. See, I know that sometimes I could act a little goofy, let’s put it this way, it’s not sexy, lol. I would the next day or the next time I see her, start acting more seductive and sexy, and the same girl who declared to the heavens I was the most unattractive guy she ever met, now all of a sudden I have became hot! Her friends are confused, my friends are confused...they don't understand how for one minute, she says how ugly and how unattractive I am...then, she hangs all over me. How often has this happened?

A lot, especially during my growth periods from my PVSSYEATER days to now.

Hmmmm. I see what you guys are saying. Most of the chicks I pull I would say (in my opinion) range from a 6-8.5, some guys would say they are 9’s, but I’ve personally never met a 9 or 10 unless they were on t.v. with a fist full of make-up, I don't believe there are any PERFECT chicks, lol. (but attraction is really in the eyes of the beholder).

Okay, so I see what you guys are saying, and what the hell, let’s keep discussing this. Let me ask some questions though.

I believe that every newbie’s dream is to log on to a site that dispels the “secret” to being “that guy” who fvcks all the hotties, right? Now, let me ask you guys this question. Since looks are the most important thing you say, where a 9 (girl) would never fvck a 3 (guy), what does the guy who’s a 3do…..to make himself a 9.5? What are the attributes and the characteristics that, that particular guy needs to do to assure that AFTER he does it, he turns into a 9. I mean, he can walk in the club naked and just start fvckin (it's funny I mention that, because I walk in the club and start grinding and makign out wit chicks and I don't have abs)

And to add to that question, how would he DETERMINE if he's a 9? How would he know? Based on each particular chick?....well, wait a minute guys, wait a minute. If that's the case, what if the chick who's clearly a 8 or 9, thinks that fat guys are 10's?

You guys are saying that every woman is different, and each guy would be seen differently to each girl....THEN YOU ARE SAYING, you have to be a 9 to fvck a 9, and a 3 to fvck a 3...but how would a guy know if he's a 4, a 9, a 17, a 3? Does he just determine if he's a 9 or an 8 by the level of sex he gets and from the hotness of the chicks? But what if the guy clearly gets hot chicks (7-9) all the time, but it's clear to Stevie Wonder, the guy is no god damn 7!

Hmmm, I don’t know guys....seriously, there's just some fallacies in your argument.

For me, and let’s keep this discussion going by the way. But for me, I understand that some girls I just CAN’T FVCK, not really because I’M A 5 AND SHE’S A 8, but more so on the fact of her attitude or outlook, or the “vibe” just isn’t right...it really has nothing to do wit I'm out of her league or something because I don't look like Chris Daughtery (lol, just name-dropping)

But, and listen. God IF your theory is right, DID U NOT SAY, that a 5 and a 8had no chance together? Hmmmm, is there a a fallacy to this argument? How could the 6’s, 7’s, and 8’s that I fvcked, “see me attractive” if I am clearly a 5? Clearly man...there's no god damn way they can see me as a 7, 8, or 9, MATTER OF FACT..if you asked them was I "cute" or not they would say, "He's aight..." "he straight.." "he okay" No girl I ever fvcked said I was so hot, but I MADE HER HOT. And the whole point of my discussion, is that you guys are saying it's impossible to make her hot...without being hot.

Hold on I know, you mean “they” saw me as a 6, a 7, or a 8, too? But hold on God, hold onnnnn, I could CLEARLY TURN OFF MY SEDUCTIVE ATTITUDE, and these SAME CHICKS, will show distain. If you think I'm lying, COME WITH ME IN THE FIELD.

 

[KillaCam]

ur short friend gets friends and attention, but he doesnt get layed

no one cares about havin 100 girls talk to u in a club and be friends with u, its all bout findin that ONE girl and takin her home that nite to **** her

chump

I'm not digging at what you bring to this disucssion, but why add in little insults like "Chump"? If this is such a good thread, you shouldn't need to take pot shots at people. Discuss, don't diss.

I'm starting to gather that most people involved in this thread actually don't want it to end. Half of you are actually enjoying taking shots at the other people, not for the sake of developed conversation, but for the "enjoyment" of shooting other people down.

So much of this arguement is based around "What works for 1 person, must work for everyone else". We are not robots churned out of a factory. Everyone person is different, hence different results.

Face it, you're not going to agree if half of you are acting like children. Just put an end to this with a summoning statement. Here's an amazing one, it's only been repeated half a million times in this thread, maybe people will actually take notice of it rather than ignoring it in favour of swear words and lame pot-shots..

Looks matter. Attitude matters. Proportions matter.

Some of you need to start forking out for bandwidth costs.

 

[belividere]

ur short friend gets friends and attention, but he doesnt get layed

no one cares about havin 100 girls talk to u in a club and be friends with u, its all bout findin that ONE girl and takin her home that nite to **** her

chump

so did you just sign off on that post as chump, or where you calling me a chump?

I've seen this guy go home with hundreds of girls over the years, I have not seen anyone of my other friends who are better looking than him have nearly as much success.

Your posts are hearsay. You only talk of hooking up with teenagers through the internet. Yeah all they care about is looks. When they brag they are only showing a myspace profile or picture of a guy that they hooked up with.

I'll tell you what, I am in Boston every so often, I usually stay around the back bay. Next time i am planning on heading out there I'll make a post on here and have you show me around. Whoever picks up less picks up the bar tab. Sound fair, I mean all that matters is looks right?

 

[DonJuanForever]

Hey bel...can I join you guys on that deal? Lol, seriously, I want to show these guys you don't HAVE TO BE HOT...to make HER HOT.


Because I know god damn well I'm not hot, and there's no way a girl can "see me" as a 7, a 8, or a 9...a 4-6 is where I am at, and loving it too.:rockon:

 

[belividere]

DJF your more than welcome if you want to. I am usually out there the end of every November to the beginning of December. I wont be there at this time this year, but I plan to go out around April or March of this spring. I'll PM you when I actually figure out the exact days.

 

[azanon]

I remember long ago, i think i was 13ish, and I was sitting with my dad in the car watching the couples/families come out of church. Dad asked me, "Son have you noticed that pretty marries pretty, ugly marries ugly, and medium marries medium". I thought to myself and said, "you know dad, you're right."

Sure there are exceptions but as a general rule, w(hy)th is there 14 pages on something so obvious?

That being said, i see these techniques as a way to perhaps buck the defaults.... to maybe give yourself an extra point... or 2... or 3 even. Or perhaps these techniques will at the least just allow you to live in the potential of the looks you already have. Some people have the looks, they're just low on confidence.

Azanon

 

[skip2mylou781]

the main thing im saying is look at the videos and please tell me looks dont have to do with success

 

[KillaCam]

the main thing im saying is look at the videos and please tell me looks dont have to do with success

Still didn't answer my question about your insulting behaviour.

Anywho, you've said what you wanted to say, end of story.

 

[DonJuanForever]

skip, answer my post....i'm waiting on that.

skip you need more experience, okay? I actually like you, God is okay, but you need more experience.

God has been here too long to talk like he does and quite frankly, fvck him. skip you just need to understand what I'm trying to tell you.

If you think you have to have super looks, you are wrong....how do I know? How do I know? HOW DO I KNOW??

Because I've LIVED IT. I've been there, done that....a thousand times.

You see God of getting layed over there skip, all he's doing is spitting out a bunch of his "OWN" made up theories, listen to how he says that "90% of women are like this," ask him skip, "Where's the fvckin link to that statistic?"

I'll tell you who God is. God is a guy who "thinks he knows more than he actually does." He assumes a lot of things, rather than taking them at face value, he puts his own spin on shyt. HIS VIEWS AND OPINIONS are the world's views and opinions.

Do I think he gets laid, honestly, yes I do. But do I think he's qualified to teach other guys to get laid, NO I DON'T. Because as soon as a guy gets rejected, God will assume it was because of the guy's looks. Then the guy spends the next 4 years killin himself in the gym to look like Scott Stenier just to "have a chance".

And say if the guy didn't get rejected, well God would just say it was because of his looks.....what a jackazz.

Moderators close this thread. If anybody knows of a better discussion site to go to then this one, pm me.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Again, to the newbies and the folks on this board

I GO IN THE FIELD.
I LIVE IN THE FIELD.
I SARGE IN THE FVCKING FIELD.

If you are goin to argue with me, you better bring some REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES, not what you think.

75% of it is PERSONALITY AND BEHAVIOR
15% is your actual genetic looks
10% is how you present yourself, clean, groomed

HOW DO I FVCKIN KNOW??? NOT BECAUSE I MADE IT UP!! It's because that's WHAT THE FVCK HAPPENS...EVERY SINGLE FVCKIN TIME....

Don't get your stupid azz up here and make up your own shyt....just making up shyt!

Now if you want to prove me wrong, come to Detroit and I'll show you how it's done.

You guys talk so much crap, but NONE OF YOU can back it up IN THE FIELD...because you fvckers don't go there!!!

 

[PRMoon]

Okay looks are only one factor that may or may not have something to do with pick ups. Believe it or not but I see it all the time where looks definatley take the back seat to something else.

Come to think of it I got taken by a guy who wasn't nearly as good looking as I was. Nor could he ever out game me in the field. But he did have an E class mercedes and a AmEx Black Card. The girl we were both looking at ended up with him. I don't feel bad because I don't feel bad about that sort of thing but I can tell you first hand, money breaks all the rules.