Let's Be Real Here Pt.4 - "GAME" alone cannot create physical attraction

[devilkingx2]

Face>Height
There are tall incels. There are no handsome incels.

That's definitely not true, Elliot Rodgers was famously a handsome incel.

He's a good example of the importance of game, you can pull defeat from the jaws of victory by saying/doing the wrong things even if you're wealthy and handsome.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's definitely not true, Elliot Rodgers was famously a handsome incel.

He's a good example of the importance of game, you can pull defeat from the jaws of victory by saying/doing the wrong things even if you're wealthy and handsome.

ER Handsome???
Well. I certainly agree that incompetent game can be disastrous. Even if one is great in other aspects.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

There are no such things as "game".

What we consider "game" is that set of skills that is the result of your physicall attractiveness and the feedbacks it gets you, the life experiences you had both in terms of actions and successes while in some part the direct knowledge you aquired from studies or general experiences not necessarily related to women.

This is why the advice about "being more confident" or "step up your game" is a non sense for most men struggling.

Attraction however, natural genuine attraction is biologically driven not socially driven.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

There are no such things as "game".

What we consider "game" is that set of skills that is the result of your physicall attractiveness and the feedbacks it gets you, the life experiences you had both in terms of actions and successes while in some part the direct knowledge you aquired from studies or general experiences not necessarily related to women.

This is why the advice about "being more confident" or "step up your game" is a non sense for most men struggling.

Attraction however, natural genuine attraction is biologically driven not socially driven.

wasn’t it Rollo who said something like ‘attraction is non-negotiable’?

 

[devilkingx2]

And by "GAME" I mean all verbal, text and behavioral methods used to famoose a woman into either a date, sex, relationship and so on.

Game is important for a woman, to see that the guy is not a social retard and has had experience. However, it alone cannot spark physical attraction, which is important both in a ONS and in a 20 year marriage (the lack of which would result in a "dead bedroom")

I once won all the girls at my workplace over with my charisma, and then when new girls were hired they were immediately interested in me because I had a ton of social proof from being well liked by so many women.

But then when disaster struck and my reputation took a nosedive due to drama, suddenly none of the girls even wanted to call me their friend.

It's possible that this was due to me being absurdly handsome. But I would personally attribute it to good game (charisma) causing me to have a ton of social proof in an enclosed environment until it all went wrong.

 

[AttackFormation]

I once won all the girls at my workplace over with my charisma, and then when new girls were hired they were immediately interested in me because I had a ton of social proof from being well liked by so many women.

But then when disaster struck and my reputation took a nosedive due to drama, suddenly none of the girls even wanted to call me their friend.

It's possible that this was due to me being absurdly handsome. But I would personally attribute it to good game (charisma) causing me to have a ton of social proof in an enclosed environment until it all went wrong.

What went wrong?

 

[devilkingx2]

What went wrong?

One of the girls suddenly turned against me. She literally overnight decided that she was so offended by something I said or did that we were now enemies. Then one of the other girls immediately took her side without question because they were friends for years and the whole thing spiraled into a cluster **** from there.

I got out of there ASAP after that, writing was on the walls. To this day I'm still not 100% clear what this unforgivable sin that I committed was. Nobody ever really filled me in on the full details, and the rumors I heard were full of blatant lies.

 

[Smooth_texter]

https://nypost.com/2016/12/30/science-says-these-are-the-men-who-will-make-you-orgasm/. Key quote: ‘while the intensity of their orgasms also depended on how good-looking their man is.’. Ultimately. women want to cvm & cvm hard. A handsome man, Not a Tall man, is the key to her nuclear Orgasms. (of course. If you’re tall & handsome -welcome to paradise).

Seems that women are pretty much like us guys - the more they are attracted to a partner, the more pleasure they get out of the sex.

There is a paragraph from the article that I do not agree with: " Researchers also found that it really is possible to laugh a woman into bed — with women having more regular sex, and more frequent orgasms, with funny men. " Being a funny beta male, contrary to what this article says, won't persuade women into having s*x.

 

[Smooth_texter]

There are no such things as "game".

What we consider "game" is that set of skills that is the result of your physicall attractiveness and the feedbacks it gets you, the life experiences you had both in terms of actions and successes while in some part the direct knowledge you aquired from studies or general experiences not necessarily related to women.

This is why the advice about "being more confident" or "step up your game" is a non sense for most men struggling.

Attraction however, natural genuine attraction is biologically driven not socially driven.

Yes, a woman is either attracted or not.

Unfortunately, there is a whole industry built around "GAME" and life coaching (PUAs, even female ones), who are telling guys that any woman can be sedussed with specific lines or order of lines.

We can also see in the threads here many posters that are confused why a certain pick up line/method from a coach or a good looking friend did not work.

 

[Mike32ct]

Being a funny beta male, contrary to what this article says, won't persuade women into having s*x.

Yup. ST, one thing I used to talk about on here was the following…

Years ago, the ONS bar/club pickups I observed in the field were fairly serious in nature. The guy’s conversation with the chick was fairly dry or businesslike in tone before they’d leave together. I really didn’t see many funny guys successfully using humor to pull.

Notwithstanding, there are cases where the chick is super attracted and just giggling out of sexual tension even when the guy clearly isn’t trying to be funny. But that’s different. That would be looks rather than humor driven.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Yup. ST, one thing I used to talk about on here was the following…

Years ago, the ONS bar/club pickups I observed in the field were fairly serious in nature. The guy’s conversation with the chick was fairly dry or businesslike in tone before they’d leave together. I really didn’t see many funny guys successfully using humor to pull.

Notwithstanding, there are cases where the chick is super attracted and just giggling out of sexual tension even when the guy clearly isn’t trying to be funny. But that’s different. That would be looks rather than humor driven.

Are funny people sexy ... or are sexy people funny? | Dean Burnett

Dean Burnett: Humour is often considered a very attractive trait in a potential partner. But does the science support this?

www.theguardian.com

 

[AttackFormation]

Seems that women are pretty much like us guys - the more they are attracted to a partner, the more pleasure they get out of the sex.

There is a paragraph from the article that I do not agree with: " Researchers also found that it really is possible to laugh a woman into bed — with women having more regular sex, and more frequent orgasms, with funny men. " Being a funny beta male, contrary to what this article says, won't persuade women into having s*x.

I dont know but suspect this is because of the halo effect, which they dont seem to have controlled for, which is why i stopped reading.

 

[characternote]

Yup. ST, one thing I used to talk about on here was the following…

Years ago, the ONS bar/club pickups I observed in the field were fairly serious in nature. The guy’s conversation with the chick was fairly dry or businesslike in tone before they’d leave together. I really didn’t see many funny guys successfully using humor to pull.

Notwithstanding, there are cases where the chick is super attracted and just giggling out of sexual tension even when the guy clearly isn’t trying to be funny. But that’s different. That would be looks rather than humor driven.

guys typically pull in spite of their 'game' as opposed to because of it.
When I very very first got into 'game', one thing that instantly hit me and made me question everything (at the time I was heavy into RSD who were fairly new) was how all the main instructors had fairly different personalities. Some funny, some more sexual, some serious etc etc. Their personalities basically decided their verbals. So they of course seemed to all break each others rules etc. It was all very different to watch. That was actually one of my first alarm bells when it came to 'game'. I'd have done well to trust my instincts at the time tbh (that told me that the whole PUA/game thing was largely just marketing lol)

Going back to your point though, yes, it can certainly be the case that when there is attraction, there's seemingly very little need for what we think of as 'game' (be it humour or charisma etc)

I've mentioned my main slayer friend a fair few time on here, but i've less frequently mentioned the other one (I had 2 super slayer friends lol. He actually looks a lot like my other slayer friend (my best friend/main wing) with the only real difference being that he's about a foot taller lol.)

The second one really is a stereotypical German guy. Germans are sterotypically boring, and he doesn't help the sterotype lol. His conversations with girls are as dry as you can imagine, and there's not a hint of 'outer game' in any of his interactions. No pushpulls. No interesting stories and teasing and charisma etc. But his hit rate is outrageous. It helps that usually it's him being opened of course! I don't think i've ever seen open girls even in bars!

 

[Smooth_texter]

Yup. ST, one thing I used to talk about on here was the following…

Years ago, the ONS bar/club pickups I observed in the field were fairly serious in nature. The guy’s conversation with the chick was fairly dry or businesslike in tone before they’d leave together. I really didn’t see many funny guys successfully using humor to pull.

Notwithstanding, there are cases where the chick is super attracted and just giggling out of sexual tension even when the guy clearly isn’t trying to be funny. But that’s different. That would be looks rather than humor driven.

This has been my experience as well - humor destroys sexual tension (especially random humor).

Not to mention that a lot of guys use it to mask anxiety, ability to deal with difficult situations and so on. So using too much humor = loser in a woman's eyes.

 

[Smooth_texter]

guys typically pull in spite of their 'game' as opposed to because of it.
When I very very first got into 'game', one thing that instantly hit me and made me question everything (at the time I was heavy into RSD who were fairly new) was how all the main instructors had fairly different personalities. Some funny, some more sexual, some serious etc etc. Their personalities basically decided their verbals. So they of course seemed to all break each others rules etc. It was all very different to watch. That was actually one of my first alarm bells when it came to 'game'. I'd have done well to trust my instincts at the time tbh (that told me that the whole PUA/game thing was largely just marketing lol)

Going back to your point though, yes, it can certainly be the case that when there is attraction, there's seemingly very little need for what we think of as 'game' (be it humour or charisma etc)

I've mentioned my main slayer friend a fair few time on here, but i've less frequently mentioned the other one (I had 2 super slayer friends lol. He actually looks a lot like my other slayer friend (my best friend/main wing) with the only real difference being that he's about a foot taller lol.)

The second one really is a stereotypical German guy. Germans are sterotypically boring, and he doesn't help the sterotype lol. His conversations with girls are as dry as you can imagine, and there's not a hint of 'outer game' in any of his interactions. No pushpulls. No interesting stories and teasing and charisma etc. But his hit rate is outrageous. It helps that usually it's him being opened of course! I don't think i've ever seen open girls even in bars!

This has also been my experience.

I had more opportunities and interested women in my 20s, when I had no game, compared to now (where in theory I am higher value). Unlike most men here, I believe that my SMV decreased and thus limits my dating pool.

 

[Mike32ct]

This has been my experience as well - humor destroys sexual tension (especially random humor).

Yes. I was watching a movie on the couch with this chick way back. We started making out heavily. (She picked a night where her roommate was out. It was totally on for us.)

Anyway, it was a very funny movie playing on the tv where I knew the lines. During the makeout, I could overhear the funny scene. I pulled back and burst out laughing. (Couldn’t help it.). She walked me to the door and said good night. It was over. The laughing killed the moment and was a major turnoff to her.

guys typically pull in spite of their 'game' as opposed to because of it.

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The second one really is a stereotypical German guy. Germans are sterotypically boring, and he doesn't help the sterotype lol. His conversations with girls are as dry as you can imagine, and there's not a hint of 'outer game' in any of his interactions. No pushpulls. No interesting stories and teasing and charisma etc. But his hit rate is outrageous. It helps that usually it's him being opened of course! I don't think i've ever seen open girls even in bars!

One night I was at the club in the early 2000s. I was using some funny routines. These two girls laughed hysterically. One of them told me I should do standup comedy. But as soon as my funny routines ran out, one of the girls approached this super serious (seemingly pissed off in appearance) guy. They left together shortly after.

TLDR: Mating is serious business. There is something sultry/sexy/alpha about being serious when you are trying to pull or seduce. Humor is more entertainment and friend-like. While some playfulness can be ok, excessive humor can kill the moment.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Yes. I was watching a movie on the couch with this chick way back. We started making out heavily. (She picked a night where her roommate was out. It was totally on for us.)

Anyway, it was a very funny movie playing on the tv where I knew the lines. During the makeout, I could overhear the funny scene. I pulled back and burst out laughing. (Couldn’t help it.). She walked me to the door and said good night. It was over. The laughing killed the moment and was a major turnoff to her.



One night I was at the club in the early 2000s. I was using some funny routines. These two girls laughed hysterically. One of them told me I should do standup comedy. But as soon as my funny routines ran out, one of the girls approached this super serious (seemingly pissed off in appearance) guy. They left together shortly after.

TLDR: Mating is serious business. There is something sultry/sexy/alpha about being serious when you are trying to pull or seduce. Humor is more entertainment and friend-like. While some playfulness can be ok, excessive humor can kill the moment.

That first one, brutal man. Getting walked to the door for laughing?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

This has been my experience as well - humor destroys sexual tension (especially random humor).

Not to mention that a lot of guys use it to mask anxiety, ability to deal with difficult situations and so on. So using too much humor = loser in a woman's eyes.

Absolutely true.
I get uncomfortable around sexually aggressive women. And have used humor to diffuse those situations. As you can imagine. This is quite…counterproductive, to say the least.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Humour is an attractive trait to women, but not all 'funny' men actually have humour.

Humour is like taste or fashion sense, pretty much everyone thinks they have humour, but most are not funny at all. That's why there are so few stand-up comedians and even fewer genuinely funny people. A lot of 'humour' is steeped in tragedy and many comedians are deeply unhappy people with substance abuse problems, depression and suicidal ideation. The best of them can turn that into funny material.

Women like my sense of humour; not because I'm cracking jokes or trying to amuse them, but because I can see the humour in serious situations. And that shows a basically positive attitude to life, if you can laugh at yourself and the situation and lighten a heavy mood or de-escalate tense moments. Most men can not brighten a woman's day, they just 'make light of a situation' and that's often not really funny to women.

True to some degree, but you are mostly describing emotional support in an already established LTR. Humor or game alone cannot get you the girl.

Let's say a guy wants to have a second date in a luxurious restaurant. However, he has forgotten that he had to make reservations first, in order to get a table there. He discovers this when he arrives with his date, and the date is pretty much over. There is no way to brush it off with humor.

Also, you cannot start joking about difficult life problems right off the bat with a girl that you have just met or barely know.

The thing about humor if you are a man is that is has to be carefully used, and just in the right proportions - otherwise you would come off as a guy who tries to hide his ability to deal with difficult situations or that cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Mike32ct]

That first one, brutal man. Getting walked to the door for laughing?

Yeah. I really liked her. I was 29 at the time. She was a very cute 23 blonde. It was our 3rd date. Everything was going perfectly up until that point. Then it was game over.

If we had hooked up before, it would have been cute and totally forgivable. But I was still in the “probationary period” so zero mistakes were allowed.