I'm about ready to go MGTOW again

[resilient]

Agree with what Tenacity said... if you casually ask the right questions at the perfect time Fixer in conversation or alternatively listen to the subtle hints and lines they say during the early dates, you'll get a sense of what they're looking for short/mid/long LTR. Ex: did they just come out of a LTR and are looking for a quick FWB situation, desperate, independent/codependent attachment style, etc.

Take into factor their age (ticking baby making clock), options, chemistry for something lasting longer a few weeks.

Most often plates want to stick around longer than a few weeks if their options aren't as solid, they perceive your SMV higher than theirs, while you continue to (hopefully) hold out a challenge for them to pursue you a LTR.

 

[Urbanyst]

How about how that whole gender has screwed me over since birth. Even non romantic relationships with them are b.s.

I'm just tired of all of this. Was this really this ridiculous for our ancestors?

You mean by flaking out on you?

What behavior do you expect from women than you are not getting from them? I ask because I'm not having the problems you are. So either its the type of women you chase or there is something dysfunctional about you that turns women off.

 

[Tenacity]

You mean by flaking out on you?

What behavior do you expect from women than you are not getting from them? I ask because I'm not having the problems you are. So either its the type of women you chase or there is something dysfunctional about you that turns women off.

But in all fairness, just because YOU aren't having a problem, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I have personally never been harassed by a cop, but there's hundreds of thousands of people having reported been harassed.....So it's u fair for me to just dismiss their claims cause it's never happened to me.

 

[fastlife]

... and that is just a really important question. Can not give an answer for myself at the moment. Not sure how much afford I am willing to put in cause at least the question is, if it is worth it.

Put in the effort anyway lol. Life is vast--no point wasting all that abundance. Even if it turns out girls aren't worth it (and individually not a lot of them are), you'll have memories & the emotional fortitude & mindset you'll have to develop will carry over into all aspects of your life.

It sounds stupid, but cold approach has drastically changed every facet of my life--financially, friendship-wise, how I interact with the world. When you prioritize your own agency things really open up.

 

[Urbanyst]

This is a market problem. I've experienced a lot of the same thing. While people on this forum will say it's all YOUR FAULT, the reality is that most of those women weren't looking for a relationship. They were looking just for a short term fling.

Most women are either looking for someone they can show off to friends, family and co-workers or someone they can use to raise a child. When they are out for kids, they look for good looking stable men who would make good fathers and provide a comfortable environment.

Women either want kids or they want to use you to entertain them or boost them up in some way. Most of them are not looking for high maintenance men who demand a lot of attention and validation. To them, its too much like dating one of their insecure girlfriends.

If you're the type of guy who freaks out if a woman doesn't respond to a text or call right away, or isn't always available to spend time with you then you are probably turning most women off. Indifference is one of the sexiest things about men that makes them different from women who are usually hyper emotional.

 

[Urbanyst]

But in all fairness, just because YOU aren't having a problem, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I have personally never been harassed by a cop, but there's hundreds of thousands of people having reported been harassed.....So it's u fair for me to just dismiss their claims cause it's never happened to me.

I didn't dismiss anything. I asked the dude a question to understand his situation better.

 

[9Volt]

Has O.P gone on a "mgtow" temporary vacation yet or is he still deciding if he's even going to pack his bags.

 

[Tenacity]

Has O.P gone on a "mgtow" temporary vacation yet or is he still deciding if he's even going to pack his bags.

I wonder can the OP rack up some Delta flight miles when he takes his MGTOW vacation?

 

[9Volt]

I wonder can the OP rack up some Delta flight miles when he takes his MGTOW vacation?

boys only indoctrination camp mgtow sounds one step away from becoming a full blown, limp wristed, butt nut.

They can sew leather wallets that never open, and hang out in the steam rooms together.

don't bend over and pick up the granola bar.

 

[AlphaNate]

They were looking just for a short term fling.

My kind of woman.

 

[Urbanyst]

I think MGTOW is kind of silly.

You can avoid commitment without totally avoiding booty calls and hook-ups.

MGTOW is like if you stop showering for life because the water bill is too high every where you live. Don't really get it.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I think MGTOW is kind of silly.

You can avoid commitment without totally avoiding booty calls and hook-ups.

MGTOW is like if you stop showering for life because the water bill is too high every where you live. Don't really get it.

Exactly. Basically saying, 'Im going in for voluntary celibacy because girls don't give me ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING I demand of them, and I'm not living happily ever after yet, like mommy and Mr Walt Disney said I would.'

Fcking, nothing more than stroppy teenagers, the lot of them.

 

[Tenacity]

Exactly. Basically saying, 'Im going in for voluntary celibacy because girls don't give me ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING I demand of them, and I'm not living happily ever after yet, like mommy and Mr Walt Disney said I would.'

Fcking, nothing more than stroppy teenagers, the lot of them.

I think MGTOW is kind of silly.

You can avoid commitment without totally avoiding booty calls and hook-ups.

MGTOW is like if you stop showering for life because the water bill is too high every where you live. Don't really get it.

Because most MGTOWs are frauds lol.

- I said only about 20% of those who say they are MGTOWs are actually true MGTOWs, I think it should be more like 10% to be honest with you. The majority of MGTOWs are just frauds who can't get laid, and they are pissed off that they can't get laid, can't get dates, can't get shyt. So their anonymous internet a.sses sit behind a keyboard and pump out all sorts of theories, all while jacking off to women everynight.

- Compare that to a guy who just got out of a VERY BAD marriage to some bytch who drained his bank account and is putting up roadblocks to where he can't see his children. This guy says he's going MGTOW because at this very moment he hates all women (justifiably so) and if he's even in a room with another bytch for 15 minutes, he might Elliot Rogers her punk a.ss

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Compare that to a guy who just got out of a VERY BAD marriage

It's a fair point. I stand corrected. Not the answer for these guys in the long term either, though.

 

[Tenacity]

It's a fair point. I stand corrected. Not the answer for these guys in the long term either, though.

No, long term it's not good. The longer you sit and stew in it, the more pissed off you get. They call it Red Pill Rage.

- I honestly don't think Elliot Rogers was this lunatic with mental illness. You know that's the way the MEDIA will paint you anytime you call out the bullshyt that women are doing.

- I HONESTLY believe Elliot was suffering from RED PILL RAGE and I wish I could have talked to him before he went out and killed those bytches (because I would have told him to shoot up Tyquesha instead of those white slvts , okay, okay, I'm kidding and shouldn't be joking about that)

The honest TRUTH is that you really can't "go your own way" by totally cutting women out of your life forever. The only way you can do this is if you are gay or bisexual. You have basic, human, natural functions inside of you that MAKE YOU seek out women for mating purposes.

As I've said prior though, it's just hard being a MAN today. Because the women primarily have LOST their god damn mind, making you "logically" come up with the conclusion to just stay the fvck away from them. But then you will sit there fighting against these internal, basic, human natural functions to mate with women, which will lead you to either screwing an Escort or visiting the Strip Club, which ISN'T going your own way.

I wish there was something we could do to fight back against this bullshyt. I really honestly, believe this shyt is destroying masculinity, destroying families, and is going to cause FEWER people to be born going forward (from either direct abortions or just a lower amount of pregnancies in general).

The shyt is destroying mankind all so that a bytch can feel "strong and independent" when women will and can NEVER BE independent of men. NEVER. They will always need us and this feminist shyt/movement to oppress men needs to fvcking be stopped man.

 

[TheFixer14]

This is a market problem. I've experienced a lot of the same thing. While people on this forum will say it's all YOUR FAULT, the reality is that most of those women weren't looking for a relationship. They were looking just for a short term fling.

It's sucks. I rather it be something that I am doing and I am sure that I can be better. But it just seems here that most of the women behave in a certain way.

Agree with what Tenacity said... if you casually ask the right questions at the perfect time Fixer in conversation or alternatively listen to the subtle hints and lines they say during the early dates, you'll get a sense of what they're looking for short/mid/long LTR. Ex: did they just come out of a LTR and are looking for a quick FWB situation, desperate, independent/codependent attachment style, etc.

Take into factor their age (ticking baby making clock), options, chemistry for something lasting longer a few weeks.

Most often plates want to stick around longer than a few weeks if their options aren't as solid, they perceive your SMV higher than theirs, while you continue to (hopefully) hold out a challenge for them to pursue you a LTR.

That's a good point. That's something that I don't tend to do. I tend to just find crazy, neurotic, and immature women are attracted to me. They are very attractive. But flighty as hell.

You mean by flaking out on you?

What behavior do you expect from women than you are not getting from them? I ask because I'm not having the problems you are. So either its the type of women you chase or there is something dysfunctional about you that turns women off.

Yeah.

I expect some more respect I guess. I feel as thought women feel that it's okay to treat me in a certain way or something. The women that I attract always have this great sense of entitlement.

Maybe I am just attracted to destructive relationships. Like I have A libido- destructo complex.

 

[Tenacity]

That's a good point. That's something that I don't tend to do. I tend to just find crazy, neurotic, and immature women are attracted to me. They are very attractive. But flighty as hell.

Yeah dude, I just think you are in a similar boat I am. You are seeing that the vast majority (if not ALL) of the women are out of their god damn minds and you are just HOPING to find a decent, serious, quality, relationship with ONE chick.

The issue is, that while what we ask for is some "basic shyt", the market is so god damn retarded that even that is unavailable.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I understand why guys get ragey and I understand why women get fckking pms-y all over the place. Sh!t I've been dealing with it since I was a kid in my own family.

The thing I've worked out, not even so long ago, is that there are only a finite amount of people in the world that I will get on with. Men or women.

This is regardless of mgtow, sosuave, the Rational Male, Donald fcking Trump, ISIS, neo feminazi's, the lot of them. I go my own way for sure, but rather than hating on a whole species of women (or any other group of people) as some do, I just understand and accept that I'm only going to get along with a certain number of them. That's not a new thing, nor a result of feminism or any other social construction. It's simply the natural order within a human population of billions of individuals. The one real issue in this world is hivemind mentality, of which there are many, that hold different belief systems.

I certainly do not invest too many resources or attachments until individuals have proven they deserve them.

With regards to Roger, I believe he had some personality disorder of some description. I heard/read an account from his one friend at the time. Very peculiar upbringing, from what I remember, like one or two friends, no circles to speak of. Father nonexistent or a massive beta, or something. Spergy tendencies...? All that will have played a huge part. Not sure it was just down to rage. There had to be some imbalance. We've all had rage, but we don't go out popping off a few people, then ourselves.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Getting back on topic.. I think the flaking issue boils down to chasing women who aren't into you. That's why some people suspected you might be coming across desperate.

When you try to force a relationship or a sexual situation you will always get flaked on. Women who are into you will always make things easy. They will want to give you their number and they will be anxious to make plans to see you. Look for women who seem enthusiastic.

There have been times when I close a woman and she will act all aloof about giving me her number and meeting up. When that happens I usually won't bother to contract her. If a woman seems aloof, or bitchy there is really no reason to waste your time on her.

The bitterness that leads men to going MGTOW comes in large part from barking up the wrong tree too often.

My relationships with women don't last for sh*t, but I still enjoy women a lot. My new relationships always start out hot and heavy. Then they run out of steam later.

And even if it seems like they're "making it easy", don't fall for girls in your circle or network who work for tips either. They are experts at faking mild interest. Not just strippers - bartenders, waitresses, even the girl who cuts and shampoos your hair. Those girls really have to give you huge IOI's to be worth a damn.

 

[Tenacity]

With regards to Roger, I believe he had some personality disorder of some description. I heard/read an account from his one friend at the time. Very peculiar upbringing, from what I remember, like one or two friends, no circles to speak of. Father nonexistent or a massive beta, or something. Spergy tendencies...? All that will have played a huge part. Not sure it was just down to rage. There had to be some imbalance. We've all had rage, but we don't go out popping off a few people, then ourselves.

A lot of people had a fvcked up childhood, me included. I had few friends, Father wasn't there, etc.

That imbalance you talk about is what ALOT of people have. You are right, they don't go popping off on people, but it's only because usually they bring in various "bridges/walls" to build around the imbalance. For example:

- Religion is a wall for some people. Church today is nothing but a coping mechanism. "I'm just to blessed to be alive," or "I'm just so blessed to be here"....all the while they continue to live paycheck-to-paycheck, deal with stress in terms of finances, stress in terms of health, and stress in terms of other things. They use CHURCH/RELIGION as a "wall" to build around that to keep them from going crazy.

- Drugs and alcohol is a wall for some people.

- Sex is a wall for some people.

- Food is a wall for some people.

- Television and Entertainment is a wall for some people.

No matter what the MEDIA tells you, I would say that well over 50% of the people in this country are NOT THAT FAR off from snapping.

This life is cold, it's hard, and quite honestly out of the 7 BILLION people on Earth....only about 5% are actually ENJOYING this existence. The rest are either just scraping to get by, in poverty, ill, or in some sort of enslavement/captivity.

The system is setup for the majority to suffer while a very few (5%) have enjoyment.