Hot Girl Demands Good Dinner For Date. Smash Or Pass?

[CornbreadFed]

The side by side seating at bars does allow for some easier kino escalation. It's more diffiult to do pre-kiss kino escalation in a booth. It's possible at a table but still more difficult than the side-by-side at a bar.

It is more difficult for me to set up the first kiss well at a table or a booth.

I am not worried about Kino out in public. I will do that in at my or her place. If a girl rejects me because I didn't touch her leg on the first date in public then she is not the person for me.

 

[SW15]

I am not worried about Kino out in public. I will do that in at my or her place.

I do kino escalation in public prior to getting someone to my place. I think it is more difficult to get someone to your place without kino escalation and kissing in public.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Due to Ukrainian culture, she may not get this, but I've said it to a few women that had the gall

Your response: I didn't realize that we were negotiating a fee for your company. Now that we've established what you are, I'll throw in a quart of malt liquor and some blue eye shadow.

I doubt she even knows what malt liquor is.

OP, normally I would've recommend ghosting in this type of situation but your case is a little different. You're dealing with major cultural differences here (especially if she's a FOB). Taking a woman out for dinner is pretty much a prerequisite before sex in that part of the world. Having said that, her demand that you take her to a fancier restaurant is still a red flag. This woman is clearly not LTR material but it may be worth it for some fun if she really is a 9. Question is whether she's just using you for food or there is genuine chemistry. Trust your gut on that one.

 

[Bokanovsky]

If you like going to nice restaurants and are something of a 'foodie', then taking a woman out to a nice place as a first date isn't a problem... because it is who you are.

Let's face it, not many straight men actually like going to restaurants. When was the last time you've been to a restaurant and saw men who were not there for a date, business meeting or some kind of celebration (i.e. birthday or office party)? Can you envision yourself calling one of your buds and saying "hey, a new restaurant by this famous chef has just opened, wanna go grab dinner"? Of course not. Only women and alphabet people do stuff like that.

 

[jamesfromhouston]

You can test by acknowledging the spot as a good idea to check out in the future but counter offering your preferred restaurant. If she doesn’t want to meet at your pick, you have your answer.

Haha that is exactly what I did. I told her, let's check it out next time. Let's go to my spot this time. But she more or less freaked out and got persistent. Which really put me off.

Just made me think, she was more into the spot than me. Got me wondering whether it was an issue with IL or lack or genuine desire or a cultural thing that I don't understand about EE women.

 

[SargeMaximus]

If it’s more than a hot hooker, get the hooker

 

[EyeBRollin]

Haha that is exactly what I did. I told her, let's check it out next time. Let's go to my spot this time. But she more or less freaked out and got persistent. Which really put me off.

Next. She’s trash.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It is just way easier because they tend to have parking, not be too loud, and you are usually sat in a booth instead of some uncomfortable seating arrangement at a bar. In addition, I tend to be more comfortable at a restaurant and just order something light and the bill tends to be lighter than bars. Last, if the date goes well, you can just go to a bar or something vs a bar the date is pretty much over lol unless you want to go to more bars.

That's why you always do something else before going to the bar...mine was playing mini golf in this super cool golf dome they had nearby. Worked well...fun and drinks in one night.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I do kino escalation in public prior to getting someone to my place. I think it is more difficult to get someone to your place without kino escalation and kissing in public.

Not for me lol.

 

[CornbreadFed]

That's why you always do something else before going to the bar...mine was playing mini golf in this super cool golf dome they had nearby. Worked well...fun and drinks in one night.

I don't feel comfortable playing mini golf with a stranger I do not know

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I don't feel comfortable playing mini golf with a stranger I do not know

But you feel comfortable being interrogated or interrogating one over dinner?

 

[SW15]

playing mini golf

There are many good activity date possibilities. Mini golf is one of them. I mentioned ice skating dates in another thread earlier today.

These activity dates are often the ideal second date but are also available as a first date. If a man is to meet a woman at a bar during a weeknight Happy Hour and offer a first date, offering another drinks date might not the best. Offering an activity date after meeting at a bar and drinking makes more sense than offering a dinner. I do not enjoy dinner dates in restaurants in any way. In the early 2010s, when I first read why dinner dates are bad ideas, it all started to make sense to me. I had done way too many bad dinner dates in the 2000s-early 2010s.

 

[CornbreadFed]

But you feel comfortable being interrogated or interrogating one over dinner?

I have never had a date like that. The only uncomfortable instance I can remember is when I went on a date with this one girl and she referred to black people as coloureds.... No she was not South African either.

 

[SW15]

Salsa and bachata dancing

Salsa and bachata dancing are good date activities.

It's possible to bring an existing date or girlfriend out to a nightlife venue that features salsa and bachata dancing.

Alternatively, a man can also go to those nightlife venues featuring salsa/bachata to initially meet a woman.

 

[DoofusDonutDude]

My approach, but I'm older, as are my targets:

A drink date that can turn into more, like a trendy brewpub with good food. Or, given I pursue sporty chicks, I usually feel them out for a hike or walk on the beach. I always make sure logistics make sense as well. I also have a full gym, pool, and jacuzzi - sometimes it's "let's work out together!" or a jacuzzi or pool. Those ALWAYS turn into sex.

Having a beach, hike, gym, or pool date lets you see their bodies and usually less makeup, allowing for kino (what chick doesn't like the idea of holding hands walking barefoot on the beach?). At my age I want to know if a woman has a full range of motion and no fused vertebrae (they don't fare well in bed with me) - I've come across women with chronic back issues as low down in age as 30 - they are a NOGO - maybe an ONS, but no more. Exercise: oh, that hurts? just put your hands on her and give her a rub. Pool? Give me your sunscreen, and I'll do your back, then ask her to do yours (hopefully, you have a back definition that AMOG's Michaelangelo's David). This lets her touch your body without feeling too forward.

Women who are athletes love their bodies, take care of them, and often do not drink, and they are sure as hell not eating dayboat scallops slathered in a butter/caper sauce...chicks like that Persian-looking gal above - STEER FACKING CLEAR. The athletic types are VERY physical and confident, this is a massive plus for you.

Do you think any chick is going to want to swallow your sausage after filling up on a $45 entree and half a bottle of wine? Unlikely. Work smart boys.

Most of the advice on the thread have been opposite to yours. Control the frame etc etc. Your advice seems to make sense for some reason i dunno.

OP said the girl was a "solid 9 Ukrainian" in his words. I don't know exactly what OP's markers for value are-- but atleast in the looks department (which is a one of core markers for men mostly) she sounds rather high value. That doesn't mean OP should simp to her or worship her or let her control the frame but perhaps unless OP think's he is much higher value then it might make a case for OP to put some effort as you said. Then again OP and the girl are both only looking for sex so maybe it isn't worth all the effort.

I know there is a lot of emphasis on frame control which makes sense but perhaps OP's situation isn't the dead end everyone is making it to .

Perhaps Op can save the exchange -- she hasn't said no to meeting him yet. Maybe he can re-frame it in a way, that he was looking to try x y restaurant (which is somewhat on the same standard as she demanded) and then invite her along. Then again, wouldn't be faking it..?

Sorry for all that text thinking - still learning the Don Juan way's but this thread is extremely interesting. I sometimes have a feeling a lot of men quickly drop the ball with a 9 or 10 for the reason because its too much maintenance.

Can't expect a jaguar for the price of a subaru right? I don't know, maybe i'm wrong and looking at all the wrong way. There must be a balance between frame control and making an effort.

 

[DoofusDonutDude]

Not true.
Some knew I was a photographer (models I shot), most girls didnt know.
Im a good looking guy, stylish 6.2, speak Russian fluently, I speak Czech a bit too, my mother to gue is French. Im considered as handsome and attractive. i cold approach 9-10s, Im very very experienced with hot girls.

So you follow rule #1 and rule #2..
Curious, is there anything someone who doesn't follow those rules can do to do what you do?

 

[DoofusDonutDude]

*Daps*, use to to do photography as well easiest way to meet smokeshow's at fashion events, its social proof within itself

I've heard that they call guys who do that "Guys with cameras" and not as photographers. Don't they ?

 

[DoofusDonutDude]

Pass. She's just looking to visit this restaurant for the experience. No pvssy is worth that expense. Careful with Ukrainian / Russian born females. They can be very decisive. When I was dating, it was drinks and tapas. After sex and activities; we can grab something to eat at a place of my choosing. Perhaps, depending on price, for something amazing, you can go out to a really nice place. But, again, that's completely your decision; not hers (unless she's paying for it).

You make it sound like they always hungry

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Most of the advice on the thread have been opposite to yours. Control the frame etc etc. Your advice seems to make sense for some reason i dunno.

OP said the girl was a "solid 9 Ukrainian" in his words. I don't know exactly what OP's markers for value are-- but atleast in the looks department (which is a one of core markers for men mostly) she sounds rather high value. That doesn't mean OP should simp to her or worship her or let her control the frame but perhaps unless OP think's he is much higher value then it might make a case for OP to put some effort as you said. Then again OP and the girl are both only looking for sex so maybe it isn't worth all the effort.

I know there is a lot of emphasis on frame control which makes sense but perhaps OP's situation isn't the dead end everyone is making it to .

Perhaps Op can save the exchange -- she hasn't said no to meeting him yet. Maybe he can re-frame it in a way, that he was looking to try x y restaurant (which is somewhat on the same standard as she demanded) and then invite her along. Then again, wouldn't be faking it..?

Sorry for all that text thinking - still learning the Don Juan way's but this thread is extremely interesting. I sometimes have a feeling a lot of men quickly drop the ball with a 9 or 10 for the reason because its too much maintenance.

Can't expect a jaguar for the price of a subaru right? I don't know, maybe i'm wrong and looking at all the wrong way. There must be a balance between frame control and making an effort.

Treat a woman like a princess and you'll get a princess. Treat a woman like a normal woman and you'll get a normal woman. Or they'll weed themselves out.

Women will try to take a mile when you give them an inch.

OP's main issue in this interaction is he pushed sex constantly making her assume he just wanted to fvck and no interest in her outside of that. He essentially is now in a transactional stage where the woman might go for it but since she doesn't see it going anywhere wants something to make him "earn it".

You can "earn it" in different ways. And it doesn't have to be with money.

IMHO, I don't even take women out to dinner until after we fvck and it never is an issue. The first dinner they get is usually date 3 at my place where we find a fun recipe to try out and we cook it together while drinking some wine before and during dinner. She is my kitchen assistant.

Fun and flirty. No crazy bill to pay and my bedroom is only a few steps away instead of miles away. Also women find men who know how to cook well and lead them by giving instructions in the kitchen sexy. Been told that many many times. Also doesn't hurt when you throw in random butt grabs and come up behind them and kiss their neck while pulling them back into your hardon pressing into their ass either and a few makeout sessions while things are cooking.

 

[SW15]

OP's main issue in this interaction is he pushed sex constantly making her assume he just wanted to fvck and no interest in her outside of that. He essentially is now in a transactional stage where the woman might go for it but since she doesn't see it going anywhere wants something to make him "earn it".

I agree.

I don't even drake women out to dinner until after we fvck and it never is an issue. The first dinner they get is usually date 3 at my place. No crazy bill to pay and my bedroom is only a few steps away instead of miles away.

This is what I do as well. In the early 2010s, it was very eye opening to me to learn that dinner dates in restaurants are bad dates. Then I stopped doing them. It's more difficult to get a woman to your place for dinner for date 2 but it's easier for get for date 3.