Enough is enough, time for a change journal.

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beatjunkie said:
Thunder,

Impressive motivation and drive you got there. I got a few tips

Try the food court at the mall. Walk in, see any group of girls seated and eating, walk over and say "hi, i have a question, i'm thinking of getting something gourmet and exotic today, what do you suggest? burger king or mcdonalds (or any other fast food place that your mall has)?" If they laugh then you say "lol ok I'll try the Ronald McDonald cuisine, mind if i join you with my food after? If they don't say anything, say "ah nevermind, just wanted to say hello anyways, what's/what are your name(s)?"

Reason I am saying this is that most girls at the cashier are fed up with cold approaches and been taken for a ride around the store by someone interested in them. This is why you are getting weak laughs from them. they heard it all buddy.

Also, hit the gym and get in shape. immediately.
Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them out. I have always wanted to try a opener like asking them for places to eat recommendations or if I see someone walk by with some food, ask them what it is or say it looks yummy but I always get scared and chicken out. As for the cashiers, I don't really try to waste any time and energy unless I'm paying for my clothes. The way I see it is that its practice. Every opportunity I meet a women gives me an opportunity to practice practice and practice to continue to hone my skills with women so that when I do meet one that I'm very attracted to, I'll be ready. At this point right now, I suffer from a serious case of approach anxiety as you can probably already tell from my posts. The only real people I have managed to really approach have been hired guns. I'm trying my best to get rid of this approach anxiety and once I overcome this then I'll be approaching strangers like a machine gun everyday. I just need to get over this hurdle right now which seems to be my biggest obstacle. I was reading the book that rex suggested called" how to succeed with women", great book btw and it suggests that we try to talk to as many women as possible to practice so that we can hone our skills. Each women is a prospect. This suggestion sounds very reasonable.

There's also a bookstore in the mall. I will now start visiting that bookstore as well for a prospecting location. I never really go into bookstores but now I guess I'll become a regular. The book also suggested that I become a regular at places and flirt and try to get to know the staff. I never really thought about it like that until now but its great for social proof and also gives you the opportunity to slowly work on prospects. I think I'll start visiting the same restaurants and coffee shops from now on. I already frequent the same mcdonalds several times a week to get their $1 drink deals. I'm going to start trying to get to know the people working there and calling them by their names.

As for hitting the gym, I already hit the gym 3 times a week on a regular basis. I have my own home gym, beats having to wait for equipment and deal with that bull**** going on with people who don't bathe and spit all over the equipment.
 

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Week 8 day 4: Today when I went to the mall, and walked past RW and CO hoping that hot blonde chick would be there. No dice. I saw a clearance sign for t-shirts at some superhero retro store I see a girl working in front of the store so I immediately engaged. We exchanged hello's, then I head over to the t-shirt section. I immediately spot a girl looking at the shirts, as I start to look through the shirts. Without really thinking, I approach her:

me: so is there any interesting shirts here?
her: I only found one. She grabs the t-shirt and shows it to me while smiling. It says gangnam style
me: gangnam style?
me: if I wore these outside I'd be laughed at
her: kind of laughs

Then her friend comes over. She looks at me, then looks at her friend. Then takes her friend away. I officially got ****blocked lol.

Then I head over to shoppers drug mart to purchase some cleaning solution for my contacts. I go to pay for my stuff but I include the cashier's name when saying "hi how are you x". She looks at me all surprised and funny like that was the first time someone said that too her. She kind of smiles. She's some old women but I just wanted to practice that to see what type of reaction I would get. It definitely kicked the employee out of autopilot mode. I'm going to try from now on mentioning the employee's last name to see what happens. After paying for my stuff, I run out of time and head over to the dragonboat practice. I end up coming in real late and holding up the entire team. Everyone looks at me all pissed off lol. I end up being seated beside a girl from my class. We make small chit chat but she doesn't really seem receptive. Once practice is over, me and her along with 2 other people from the team head over to the streetcar. I speak to another girl from my class. We talk about school and stuff and she asks me if I'm still in the program. Then I mention how I'm going to have to deal with those awful profs again from this year. Then she mentions that one of them got fired and I use this opportunity to bust her balls and accuse her of getting her fired. She is very receptive of my comment and starts qualifying herself while smiling and laughing big time. She has a bf but I'm just trying to make it a habit of practising busting girls balls every opportunity I get so I can hone this skill. Anyways, she ends up going another direction so I can't continue the conversation with her. Me and that girl that I sat beside during practice both wait for the streetcar. I try to comment her shorts and try to make small chit chat but she doesn't really give me anything to work with. After a few minutes a few other girls from second year arrive at the streetcar stop as well. We all get on the streetcar and I notice, the girl from my class is just sitting there all quiet while the second years are all chatting together. I try to strike up a conversation again with that girl by asking her "how's everything going?" she gives me some short answer. At that point I'm like **** it. I turn over to the other group of girls and try to talk to them. They seem more interested in talking to me, while the other girl is just sitting there all quiet looking out the window. One of the girls in that group seems abit more talkative to me then the other girls. Its kind of difficult talking and trying to join in their conversation since I don't really know them. Anyways I say goodbye and leave the streetcar.

Next I head over to my ballroom dance class. I remember the suggestion from that book 'how to succeed with women" telling me to talk to every girl just for practice. So as I wait for class to start, I see a girl in my class come by. I immediately strike up a conversation with her.

me: hey how's it going?
her: good, u?
me: I'm good
me: so did you just come from class?
her: ya
me: what class?
her: ballroom, the one I have with you now
me: (looking puzzled) no I mean what class from school did you come from?
her: chemistry
me: what are you studying?
her: engineering
me: what type?
her: computer engineering
me: oh wow, so why computer engineering?
her: laughs, I don't know
me: you don't know? (in an exaggerated tone)
me: you mean to tell me you went to go study something without knowing why you wanted to study it?
her: laughs, no because when I met my guidance counsellor, he suggested I do this after offering a few options.

we do some more small talk about the number of girls in her class. I bust her balls one or two more times while she laughs and smiles. We head into class. I end up getting a chance to dance with a HB6.5 who I've wanted to dance with for a few classes now. She unfortunately is taking the class with her bf. We both introduce ourselves. While dancing, she seems very playful with me and always smiling. She kinds of jokes that I'm being sneaky and stuff with the dance moves. I say that I'm testing her to see if she's paying attention. She seemed very receptive which I found very surprising. I also get a chance to dance with 2 other girls who I am been building some rapport with. Unfortunately both of them are also taking the class with their bf's, so I don't try to make any moves on either one. I did try to comment one of them on their shirt. I told her it looks nice and that its very blue lol. Both of them were all smiles with me while dancing and nodding their heads as if approving of my dance skills or something lol.

That's about it for today. I'm suppose to meet up with some guy from rsd nation tmr to do some night game at dive bars, so we'll see if that materalizes.
 
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Is the book titled "How to Succeed with Women", by the authors Ron Louis and David Copeland?
 

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JaegerPilot217 said:
Is the book titled "How to Succeed with Women", by the authors Ron Louis and David Copeland?
yes
 

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Week 8 day 5: I don't know if I was expecting too much from watching too many movies where a down on his luck guy meets a player who shows the rookie the ropes and turns him into a powerful seducer or what but today turned out to be pretty ****ty. I was suppose to meetup with a guy from rsd nation to go out doing cold approaches late at night. I started off my day just visiting stores and talking to the staff to warm up. I ended up purchasing a few dress shirts, a polo, and belt. Mistake #1. I did however ask the girl who was helping me for her name, and we remembers me from the last two times. Also another male store clerk remembers me from last week and we talked abit about my last purchase. I think I'll try to befriend and get to know the store staff so that I can expand my social network and use them for social proof. I did talk to a gay store clerk at the other location but I chickened out of asking him for his name lol. While I was eating at the food court, I saw some asian women sit beside me with a bowl of noodle soup. A couple inquired about the dish right before she sat down. I hesitated for a bit, but eventually forced myself to talk to her.

me: what type of noodle soup is that?
her: her not really understanding what I'm saying
me: what type of noodle soup is that?
her: noodle soup?
me: ya
her: mumbles some crap in a really thick accent
me: where did u get it?
her: points to the fast food restaurant
me: oh

At this point, I give up. Then her husband or bf comes by and they both sit and talk. I walk around the mall and I ask a few stores about heel taps and shoe trees. None of the stores sell them. I guess I'll have to order it online. I chill around till its time to meetup with the guy. I'm kind of picturing in my head that he's either really fat and nerdy or some super stud. When I met up with him, he turned out to be out of shape, and not really that well dressed however, he did wear a buttoned down shirt (no offence if your reading this). We walk around for a little bit and talk. I see some girl dressed up in some costume in front of a bar, I immediately approach and say hi. My wingman immediately follows suit but continues to chat on. Afterwards we head to some bar/nightclub. The place is kind of dead when we come in. My wingman immediately starts talking to the bouncer and introducing himself and me to him. We order a drink and grab a table. We chat for a bit, then girls start pouring in with guys. My wingman gets to work. He starts cold approaching girls left and right. I was holding onto my shopping bags from my earlier purchase with one hand and it felt and looked awkward. I started to feel uncomfortable just standing there (mistake #2), while he talked. Then we head to the back of the bar and he immediately approaches two girls. One white and one asian. He talks and I introduce myself to one of them while the other is talking on the phone so I don't bother with her. There's only 1 chair left and he grabs it so I'm left standing there listening to them talk (mistake #3). After a few minutes I leave them to grab a chair to bring back. I seat myself down but they are already into a conversation and I feel awkward as hell looking and listening to them. The two girls take off after a few minutes and then me and him head back to our table. He immediately opens 3-4 girls who have now occupied our spots. I'm standing behind him and the table is in the way, between me and the girls making it weird to lean over to talk to them. I felt pretty left out and alienated. He goes and opens a another set of girls while grabbing a beer while I'm sitting there looking at him. After a few minutes, we both head downstairs to the dance floor. By now the bar is pretty packed. We both spot a 2 set. He approaches them and I immediately follow suit. He opens them and introduces himself and I do the same. I immediately talk to one of the girls while he is busy talking to the other one. I forgot what I said because it was super loud in there, I could barely hear anything. I got around to asking her some questions like, where she is from, why she is here in Canada, weather lol, what she's studying, and her name. She didn't ask me anything except whether or not I was from Canada. I already knew at this point she was disinterested. I talked to her about dancing and asked her to dance with me. She refused lol. She and the other girl then left me and my wingman. Then we decide to leave the bar and just walk around.
My wingman at this point is super charged and ready to go. He just starts approaching girls as he sees them. He asked one girl for a smoke, and then worked a secret handshake with her, and then played thumb wars with her and eventually asking for her number but she refused, while I just stood there in awe. He approached a group of cougers and even managed to hug one of them. After walking for a bit, he told me to go approach one girl and ask her for directions. I was like "directions to where?". He said wherever. I hesitated for a second, then approached her and asked her for directions to a train station. She looked puzzled like she didn't know, then a old couple jumped in and gave me directions, as they all walked away. My wingman then spotted two girls, and said something like "mary, mary. Are you Mary?". One of the girls was like no. Then he was like "Your not Mary." Then they both started to play fight. Two guys who I'm assuming were their bf's grab the girls and left. We then walked to the subway station and left. I was quite shocked and at the same time quite upset. The whole experience left me even more depressed then before. It showed me how little game I have, that's if I even have game at all. It showed me that looks don't mean jack**** and as long as you have solid game and confidence you can pull girls. Needless to say, I don't think I'll be winging with him again, as I didn't do nothing all night and was a terrible wing and the thing is I don't even blame him. I had hoped he could have helped push me a bit but that didn't happen. Watching him doing approaches like it was nothing and all the crazy **** he did, and me just standing there like an idiot, made me really pissed off at myself. How the **** did I let this happen to me? It has made me angry and abit demotivated seeing how much work I'll need to do before I can even get anywhere to his level and he wasn't even considered good by his own account. I just wished I had someone who could take me under their ropes and mentor me here in Toronto instead of me struggling every day to push myself and learn this **** on my own :(. I might meet up with another member from rsd nation tmr to do some night game. Transportation is very difficult to arrange during weekends for me.
 
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Week 8 day 6: Today I took an emotional beating from both of my parents regarding going out a lot lately and disobeying them. I got fed up while I was riding in the car with them that I just told them to stop the car, and got off and walked on the side of the highway to the subway station. I was really fuming at this point and was ready to snap if I had been there a minute longer. Anyways as I walk into the subway station, a cute HB7 sees me and starts checking me out. I was pretty dressed up and looking quite sharp. Me and her both made eye contact and locked eyes for about 2-3 seconds but due to my mood, I didn't approach nor say anything. After 10 or so minutes she takes off on the subway. I was beating myself about it because now I will never see her again. Lesson learnt. Always approach because you might never get another chance even if you get rejected.

So I meet up with my two buddies. All of us go to winners to look for some sunglasses. I ended up picking up a pair of guess aviator sunglasses. My friends also commented on my shoes and how overall how sharped I looked today. We then head over to the mall. My two buddies were being real stupid and immature about doing cold approaches and telling me to say stupid **** like ask her if she has wifi. I got fed up with there **** and spotted a girl walking by. I immediately approached her with some hesitation.

me: hi, do you know where I can find a starbucks around here?
her: umm..., did you look at the store directory?
me: no, oh right, ok

I then walk away. It was awkward as hell but I got pissed off at their antics. I told each of them to start approaching people but both of them chickened out. We walk into a clothing store, I see some old lady looking at shirts, and I immediately say "that's a nice color, you should get it". She shakes her head. Then 3 seconds later says to me "its not for me" as she walks away. I also approached a hire gun and used the line rex gave me. It didn't work out too well with her. She wasn't responsive. After talking about a few pairs of jeans, I left her. We then left the store. I still wanted to approach more people, but these two ****ers wanted to leave, so we ended up leaving. My initial plan was to do 3 cold approaches. I only managed 2 and wasn't too happy about it.

I'm going to head over to another mall tomorrow and try to do some more cold approaches. My buddy agreed to do some cold approaches with me on either monday or tuesday before I leave for vancouver. We'll see whether or not he keeps his word.
 

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I'm watching this youtube video right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxBa1yqEvd0 and its ****ing awesome. Its making me real pumped up to start going up to people and saying hi. For sure I'm going to try this exercise this upcoming week maybe even tomorrow if I muster up the courage. I'm going to shoot for 5 hellos to start, then slowly build my way up.
 

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week 8 day 7: Today I started off in an ok state. I reviewed a few minutes of that video I watched last night. I walked to the mall, on my way there I spotted a few people at the bus stop. I made eye contact with a guy and said "hey, do you know when the bus gets here?" he says "no", I quickly move onto a women and ask her the same question. She says" it'll be here in a few minutes". I thank her. Then like 30 seconds later I say "its pretty hot today eh?". Both her and the women beside her both agreed. Then the bus arrives. As I enter the bus, I greet the bus driver. I make eye contact with some women as I walk to the back of the bus but I hesitate and don't end up saying hi. I arrive at the mall, and I start to get serious anxiety. I'm wearing my sunglasses because I feel it makes me feel alittle easier doing this. I start to hestitate more and more as I notice the mall is packed and is very noisy. I walk around the mall, and I see some girl working at a both. I walk up to her but she doesn't make eye contact. I get nervous and kind of yell out to her "hi" in a real loud voice. She acts surprised and returns the gesture. I end up walking into the gap. I immediately make eye contact with a hired gun. We talk for a little bit, then I turn my back to her as she gets back to folding clothes. I then reengage her again and say" you must do that like a million times in a day or something", she smiles and says "well maybe not a million, but a few thousand times". I then get her to check for sizing for clothes. She ends up apologizing profusely for not having my sizes. I should have asked for her name. I ended up purchasing a black v-neck sweater. I next headed to the J crew store. I spot some women browsing with the men's section. I comment on how ugly the shirts are. She looks at me and smiles and then walks away.

I walk around the mall again, and I notice some women staring at me intensely with some bat$hit crazy look. I look at her and give her a half assed smirk and then look away but I notice she is still staring at me. I'm kind of scared at this point but disappointed I didn't say hi. I continue walking around the mall, but I get more and more nervous and get overcome with serious approach anxiety. At this point, I know its pretty much over. I'm feeling pretty disappointed with myself and really down. The guy in the video made it look so easy and simple and yet here I am struggling to even say one "hi" to a stranger. The world's most easy task to do and I can't even do it. I don't seem to have this problem talking to hired guns but when it comes to random strangers it's like I hit a brick wall. Suddenly as I'm walking I get approached by a hired gun in one of those skincare booths. She drags me to the booth. At this point, I don't really give a **** and I'm kind of down. The girl has a thick ass accent and isn't really attractive to me. Maybe a 5.5 at best. I don't remember exactly what was said but the conversation went something like this.

Me: I'm not going to buy any of this stuff.
her: its ok
me: how about we go for some coffee instead?

at this point, her and her two colleagues hear me and go "ohhhhh....." and smile
her: today is my last day here, if you buy the product I'll come have coffee with you
me: laughs
her: starts asking me about whether or not I take care of my face
me: what's your name?
her: tells me her name
her: asks me my name
me: I'm x
me: what's your background?
her: I'll tell you after
her: gives me hi fives and handshakes
her: starts applying that cream on my hand
her: explains product
me: I'd rather spend the money taking you out to dinner
her: ha and points at me like I'm a naughty boy or something
her: goes back to explaining product and asks me some more skin questions
me: I don't use any of this stuff, I just purchase a face cleaner from walmart
her: trys to hard sell me
me: I'm not interested
her: here you can have it for free if you purchase this and that
me: nah
her: takes out calculator and tries to hard sell me again
me: I don't have money for this stuff
her: tries to hard sell me again
me: I'll tell my friends to come here
her: tries to hard sell again

I get tired and bored of this **** so start to back off. We give a hi five and I take off. I never really expected myself to ask her out and it just kind of came out because I was tired and pissed off and didn't really care. It was kind of weird because this is the first time I have ever done this especially in front of other people. It wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. I might do this again, if I get bothered by a hired gun again just so they leave me alone and if I end up getting a date that's a bonus.

I left the mall still feeling pretty ****ty and called up my best bud. He agreed to come with me tomorrow after he's done work to do some cold approaches. I'm going to make him push me to say hi to people on the street. I feel I just can't do this on my own. I need a wing to help support me. I really need to overcome this saying hello stage. I feel doing situational openers are hell of a lot easier then saying hi.
 

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Week 9 day 1: I'm excited for today. Gonna go meet up with my best bud to do some cold approaches. I also got in contact with another 2 guys from rsd nation and signed up for the rsd nation workshop. I'm meeting up with both guys tomorrow to do some daygaming. Hopefully I can take my current skills with women to the next level after tuesday in terms of approach anxiety and also conversational skills. I also have bachata classes back to back on monday and tuesday this week plus salsa on tuesday. I'm trying to come up with an excuse as to why I can't show up for practice and also not going to be there on the day of the race for my dragonboat team. I feel really guilty but I'm going on a trip this wednesday. Nothing I can do about it plus I don't even like participating in that.
 

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Week 9 day 2: So I was really looking forward to doing some daygaming with my best bud today. It was a huge let down. Not only did my buddy not do any approaches but also brought my spirits down with his negativity and making excuses as to why he ain't doing approaches. His excuse is that he can only do it when he feels like it and can't do it when he's being pressured to do it. I call bull****. I eventually got fed up and approach some random girl who was unlocking her bicycle out on the street. I asked her if she knew of any bars in the area. Later when we were walking to look for a bar, I walked by some girl with blue sneakers and said" nice sneakers" I don't think she saw me though lol. I also talked to a few hired guns, but I'm no longer counting those because frankly I'm bored of doing that and also if I'm not pulling any numbers from hired guns what's the point because I'm already comfortable enough talking to them?

So anyways me and my buddy go to the pickel barrel a restaurant/bar downtown near the mall. We have some very deep conversations about what has transpired these last few months. He commented on when I was speaking to the waitress that it sounded good and there wasn't really anything wrong with my social skills. I asked him if he has noticed any changes in me in the last few years. He said he has noticed tremendous change in me in the last month. He said my whole attitude and outlook has changed and I've become way more mature. So then we both start talking about relationships and then he comments that he will stab me if he ends up losing his ex gf who is now his fbuddy. In the past like several years ago, I told him he could do a lot better then her. It made him have doubts and he ended up breaking up with her a few years back. She was not attractive at all a HB5.5 at best in my eyes and I definitely felt he deserved better and was selling himself short because he wanted safety over going after what he wanted. So we're sitting there talking about it and he says how he feels like he's slowly losing her. I then comment on that its all on him because at the end of the day it was his decision and that he should man up about it just like how he gave me **** advice this past year which pretty much ruined my life this year and put me in my current situation. I told him I should be the one to stab him instead. Just then his cellphone rings and its his ex-gf. He picks up the call and then starts talking to her. All of a sudden I feel my phone start buzzing. I look to see who's calling and to my surprise its my oneitis. The girl who put me through tremendous pain and agony this past year and forced me to become a stronger person. I didn't really want to pick up her call but I showed it to my buddy who was on the phone and he told me to answer her call. So I answered the call. The conversation went as:

me: hey
her: hey
me: what's up?
her: oh just calling to see what's going on
her: why is it so noisy over the phone?
me: I'm just out with a friend right now at the pickel barrel
her: the pickle cabbage?
me: pickle barrel, its a restaurant
her: oh ok, I'll call you back later
me: ok bye
her: bye

I hang up. Looking back I probably could have played it better and pretended to not know who was calling. I was kind of indifferent about the whole phone call. However afterwards I was kind of pissed off. Here I am trying to rebuild my life and move on and she has the damn nerve to call me out of the blue to try to suck me back into her bull**** mindgames again.

About 1hr later I get a text from her: "hey! I can talk at 11pm if your free, enjoy dinner". I never bothered to reply back to her text nor call her. I'm still debating whether or not I should even pick up her calls or answer any of her texts from now on. I definitely won't be initiating anything from now on. The way I see it, it was her way of seeking validation and an ego boost. She wanted to see whether or not I would chase her again. Well I ain't falling for the same bull**** twice in a row again. If she wants anything from me, she needs to chase. She already had her shot and she blew it. I ain't never going to ask her out ever again. If she wants to go out, she's going to have to ask but frankly I don't really care that much now. After spending all this time going out this past month I have realized that there is an abundance of women out there. I just need to go out more and work on my game. No one chick is worth your peace of mind and sanity. All this time I was worried about losing her, but now I can easily replace her with another girl who is more attractive but the only problem is I lack game. Once I fix that, my dating woes won't be an issue anymore and I won't need to rely on only one girl. If she had called me 1-2 months ago, I would have jumped at the opportunity to talk to her but now its different. It's been two ****ing months since I last talked and texted her, and she never even bothered to call or text me to ask me why I'm no longer in school anymore eh? Goes to show me how much she gives a $hit about me. Now she expects me to just be willing to talk to her just like that. Oh your free at 11pm to talk, but guess what. I'm not free ever to talk! My best bud still thinks I'm mainly to blame for the events that transpired and that she was hesitant to get in contact with me because he thinks I was socially awkward and weird around her. I disagree with this, especially during my last 2 weeks of school when I really started to focus back on my studies. At this point I'm not sure whether I should remain NC or to answer her calls and texts. All I know is if I were to go out on a date with her again, I definitely ain't on the same game level as her, so I would most likely get crushed. Perhaps in a few more months when I start getting dates and more experience, then I can conquer this beast, but for the time being I don't feel I'm ready yet.
 

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Week 9 day 3: Today was crazy. Holy $hit. I was suppose to meet up with 2 separate guys today to do daygame. One guy flaked on me, while another brought his 2 other friends to do daygame as well. I have to say, these guys who are on the rsd nation site are crazy and relentless when it comes to approaching girls. So the three guys who I end up meeting are all asian. One of them is fat, really tanned and pretty ugly. The other two look like your typical asian kid. Here's the kicker though. The fat guy ended up being the most ballsy one out of the bunch. He was a approaching machine. He did 20+ approaches and he even got a number. One of the other guys there got 2 numbers. The other guy took me under his wing. He kept on pushing me to approach girls and to tell them that I found them cute. I found this very difficult to do and very intimidating. I'm already struggling as it is with saying "hi" and now he wants me to tell a girl that I find them cute and to ask for their number or ask them out. I was pretty much scared ****less. I know I had asked to be pushed out of my comfort zone but I found this way too fast and way out of my comfort zone. The fat guy threatened to beat me if I didn't approach anyone lol. The guy who was taking me under his wing was literally going "behind you, go approach her" or "beside you, go right now". I didn't even get a chance to prepare or anything and I felt like I was just thrown into the lions den or fed to the wolfs. He kind of was yelling at me "if your scared that's fine, but don't make excuses because your a *****". At one point, I felt so scared that I wanted to vomit. It was not a nice feeling lol. I ended up approaching about 15 or so girls. Out of this number, I got blew off immediately by about 5 of them. The other ten I did end up telling them that I found them cute and asked them out for coffee but got rejected by all of them lol. The rejection kind of hurt but only for like a few seconds or so. I wasn't even scared of the rejection, it was more of the anxiety of not knowing what to say when I approached the girls. Also there were numerous times, when I hesitated to approach a girl, and the guy mentoring me just ran right up to the girls who I hesitated to approach and told them I found them cute and at that point I had no choice but to go up to them and talk to them. In my mind I was thinking "what the **** have I signed myself up for?, ****". This has been the first time I have ever done anything crazy like this. These guys didn't even care that people saw them approaching people in the same location, it was kind of ****ed up lol. I am kind of glad though for having gone through that experience today despite how frightening it was. I think I grew a little bit more today because of what I did. I'll definitely be hitting these guys up again when I return from my trip back from Vancouver next week.

So after having gone through that crazy experience, I needed a break so I grabbed something to eat right before my salsa class. My salsa class was just what I needed. No more having to worry about approaching girls or anything. Due to me approaching all those girls earlier today, it made me a little more ballsy in salsa class today. I said "hey there sexy" to that chinese HB6 and that second year girl when I went to dance with them. I even winked at that HB6 the first time I danced with her today when she made eye contact with me and told me to come dance with her. I would never have said stuff like that before in the past. When I said "hey there sexy" to both of the girls, they both laughed. Not sure if they are laughing at me or what I said, but who the **** cares. At least it won't put me in the friendzone, not that I'm interested in dating either one of them or anything. When I went to my bachata class today and danced with that arab chick who I was busting her balls major time last week, I poked her lol. I also teased her abit, and tried to tease another girl, but she didn't respond too well. Ah well, practice makes perfect.

That's all for today. I'm off to my trip to Vancouver for a week and probably won't be writing anything till I get back.
 

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Week 10 day 2: This past week I went on vacation to vancouver with my parents. This didn't really give me much of a chance to do any cold approaches. My parents were watching me like a hawk and following me around all day. My trip to vancouver was amazing. The city is amazing. I had so much fun and ran out of time to do everything I wanted. I visited the beaches there, which were beautiful. I hiked and walked around stanley park and visited the seawall which was breathtaking. I walked across the capsilano suspension bridge and felt uneasy. I took the gondola up and down whistler mountain and felt dizzy and wanted to throw up. I did the peak to peak gondola ride between whistler mountain and blackcomb mountain. It was a long ass 15 min ride and my feet and hands were shaking like hell. I was so scared that I was going to fall down to my death and die. I wanted to push my fear to the limit and I believe I did with this trip. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say vancouver has a crap tonne of beautiful girls compared to ****ty toronto. Not only that, but the people were very friendly compared to Toronto. I was kind of surprised by how friendly everyone was. There was a crap load of asian chicks too. I hardly saw any blacks, south asians, nor arabs. It was all mostly whites and asians. It felt kind of nice not being a minority group lol. I was getting checked out a lot by the chicks while there for some reason. I probably should have approached some of the girls but they were mostly in sets and I couldn't find a wingman. Also I noticed a lot of the guys there were not very well dressed. Just t-shirt and shorts or something like that. I kind of stood out like a sore thumb by how dressed up I was lol.

I only really had one opportunity to talk to a girl. I was on my flight part to Toronto and I had just gotten out of the washroom. I see a chick standing there waiting to get back to her seat as was I, and the aisle was blocked by the air hostess serving drinks. I told her to grab a seat beside me while we waited. She just smiled and said it was ok.

I already made plans for this week on how to take my game further. I'm meeting with my buddy today to hopefully do some cold approaching if I don't chicken out. I also got salsa and bachata classes tonight. It'll give me an opportunity to further game that chinese HB6. Tomorrow I'm meeting up with that group of guys again from rsd nation. I know there going to make me do some crazy **** out in public lol. Thursday I'm attending the rsd workshop and will hopefully network and meet some more wings. On friday, I will probably hit up a salsa dance club or something with my buddy. I still haven't responded back to my oneitis lol. I think I'll text her back later this week, but will only keep the conversation very short and tell her I got to go and to keep in touch if she doesn't bring up getting together. I'm no longer going to ask her out again, because I've down that numerous times in the past already and she rejected me several times. If she wants to go out then she needs to put some effort into it.

Well that's all for today. I'll update this thread later tonight when I get home.
 

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Week 10 day 2: Not exactly sure what to think of today. It started off pretty ****ty. I was suppose to meet up with my best bud to do some day gaming. The ****er shows up an hr late, leaving me with 1-1.5hrs to do daygame. Then as soon as I start saying "lets just start approaching people", he starts to chicken out and makes excuses saying "lets go to a bar instead" and I tell him "look, if we are going to a bar, then you better ****ing approach girls". He gives a hesitant look and he ultimately decides to do cold approaches with me downtown instead. So we start walking around, I see a two set, I'm like "here's a two set, let's go approach", he makes excuses again so I abort. He tells me he went out with one of our friends, who is a dumb **** and really is a piece of **** of a human being but gets women because he just doesn't give a ****. He tells me him and the other guy went out to a day time club and scored and brags about it. He tells me he can only approach girls when he's tipsy and some other bull$hit. So we continue walking, and he starts talking on his phone. I'm starting to get pissed off at this point. Then he calls up one of our mutual friends who is one of the biggest *****'s on the planet. Not only that, he has shown numerous times from his past behaviour that as soon as he gets a chick, he ditches his friends. This is total disrespect and shows a lack of a backbone. I don't really consider him my friend but my best bud still considers him one of his best friends, so I just have to deal with it. He tells me after the call, that our "mutual" friend is coming down in a bit. I tell him "I don't want to hang out with him" and he's like why. So we start walking, and I'm like I need to approach then he makes more excuses. This time he says he wants to walk over to the guess store to buy clothes. At this point, I just had enough and was ready to snap and rip his head off. I just turn around and walk away while my best bud is calling me to come back. I was extremely pissed off at this point. I called him up because he tells me he is good with girls and I want to watch him in action so that I can model him. At the very least if he is too chicken to approach, he can help push me out of my comfort zone to approach girls. I need a push from someone before I can start approaching but he even failed at this one task. Considering that he was the one who gave me this ****ty advice which pretty much ruined my life and made me fail my courses, I think the least he could do is help me improve my game. How hard can it be to motivate and push your bud to approach girls? If your too chicken to even do that, might as well just go jump off a bridge. He called me a few minutes later after I walked off, but I ignored his call. I think if this happens again one more time in the future, we will no longer be friends. From now on, I don't ever want to hear him talk about his skills with girls and none of that bull$hit. If we are going out, we are only going out to hang out and have a few drinks or something, nothing more.

So as I was walking away from my best bud, I was still pretty pissed off and needed something cold to drink. I walked into the indigo bookstore and went to the starbucks and bought myself an iced tea. I was no longer in the right mental state and was in a very negative and bad mood. It totally killed my vibe. I walked around the bookstore, and I noticed one of the girls was shaking her hands in some weird ****ed up way. I wanted to imitate her but I hestitated too long and she ended up walking away. Then I see a cute girl looking at one book at one of the tables. I make my way over there subtly and then end up right beside her. I grab a book and pretend to look at it, but again, I hesitate too long and she takes off. I was pretty pissed off at having blown another opportunity. I call it quits for today at this point because I'm really pissed off.

I head over to my salsa dance class. I'm still pissed when I show up to class and I'm not really in a talkative mood. One girl engages me but I'm not really in the mood to talk. So we all partner up and start dancing. As we are all preparing, I'm just moving my hips side to side, and my potential chinese HB6 plate sees me and laughs and I smile back. So then we start dancing and switching partners. I end up dancing with the potential plate and we both ask how we are doing. I decide today I wanted to test chase amante's strategy of using bait to get the girl to ask questions about you to invest more into the interaction. I don't give her a straight answer but leave out bits and pieces about my trip to bc tp try to get her curious and make her ask me questions about it. At this point, I had already tried it with a few other girls in the class with a 50% success rate. I tell her that I'm feeling great and amazing when she asks me how I'm doing. She starts to ask me questions when I don't really tell her why but then the instructor says to switch partners before we get to really talk. So at this point, my pissy mood starts to dissipate and I'm starting to get back into the groove of things. I start to relax more and just have fun.

I know today was the last class so my goal and intention was to at least get my potential plates number before class was over and I never see her again. So class ends and we all start to put the chairs back. I see the potential plate walk up to the front of the class, I subtly follow her and sit down right in front of her. She grabs her phone and listens then hangs up and sits right beside me. We make small chit chat, and at this point I knew it was now or never. I proceed to ask her:

me: so you go out to these social dance clubs right?
her: yeah
me: cool, lets go out to one this week
her: sure, I usually go out on saturdays
me: ok
me: I grab my phone out of my pocket and hand it to her
me: what's your number?

She starts typing in her number
her: send me a text after so I have your number too
me: ok

at this point, we all get kicked out because they are closing the room. She picks her phone out of her pocket as if waiting for me to text her. I text her and she says "I got your text". Before I get a chance to talk to her again to make arrangements, they again tell us to leave the building. I walk down the stairs but some jackass interrupts her and she ends up engaged to him. I walk down the steps and I notice a cute looking girl HB7 standing beside me. I approach her without even thinking about it.

me: hey, is this your first salsa class?
her: no, I just stopped by to check it out

So at this point, I end up chatting her up instead of my potential plate. Then that arab chick ends up interrupting us and says to follow her to get to our next class. My potential plate is still talking to that guy and the arab chick is leaving so I'm forced to leave all the while talking to this new cute girl. So the new HB7 follows the arab girl and me and her walk and talk all the way to the class. She kind of reminds me of my oneitis albeit more shorter and not as good of a body but she has a prettier face. I do about 20-30% of the talking and let her ramble on about her school and work, etc. I actually found her quite boring and I didn't know what I said to make her talk so damn much, but it was working. I threw in bits and pieces again of bait to try to get her to ask me questions about myself. It seems to worked as she started to ask me questions about me as opposed to always talking about herself. I knew I had to build some rapport and make it easier for me the next time I see her so I asked for her name and introduced myself. So we all end up at my bachata class. The new chick says she has classes early tomorrow but wants to sign up for salsa in july so we exchange goodbyes and she takes off. Looking back, I could have been a little more smooth and tried to number close. I could have invited her out to go dancing with me and asked for her number. She probably would have said yes. I guess I ****ed up but I guess for now, she is a future potential plate who I might see in july when I do salsa again.

I'm so focused on just improving my conversational skills with women and trying out all these new techniques that I lose sight of the real purpose of my interactions with these women which is to get their number and get them out on a date with me. Overall today wasn't too bad. I number closed one of the girls although I think she will come with another class mate but at least now I have alittle more time to game her. I also met another cute girl, who can potentially be a plate in July.

I'm meeting up with the guys from rsd nation tomorrow so hopefully they will help push me to approach girls and come closer to overcoming my approach anxiety.
 
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Lastly, I'm starting to have doubts about my decision to just go complete NC on my oneitis. After listening to my best bud and knowing what coach Corey Wayne says, its probably better that I reply back to her but just never ask her out again instead of cutting her off completely, so I have decided I will wait until either thursday or friday to text her back. I'll just act like nothing happened and say I was on vacation with no cell service which is partially true. I also took some decent photos of my trip to bc, which is evidence that I will be uploading to facebook later this week. If she replies back, I'll tell her to call me instead of me calling her to make her invest more and also because frankly I'm sick and tired of chasing her. If and when we have the phone conversation, I'm cutting the call short if she doesn't bring up getting together and will tell her that I got to go, but it was great hearing from her, keep in touch. I'll only give her tiny bits of attention and then withdrew it completely again. If she never replies back to my text, who the **** cares and continue moving on. There's a good chance I will be going out with that HB6 this saturday plus there's that other cutie who I might see in July and if that's not enough, I will do cold approaches and sooner or later will get a few numbers will continuing to improve my game.

Well that's all for tonight.
 

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Week 10 day 3: Today was CRAZZZYYYY!!!!! I'm still sick and recovering from my cold from my trip to Vancouver but no rest for the weary. I met up with those guys from rsd nation. The guy who mentored me last week was there (lets call him Mr. A) and there was a new guy there from vancouver. The guy from vancouver seemed very tired and out of it. So we started getting right into things. Mr. A approached a three set of asian girls and asked them if they were Korean, I immediately followed and said "hey". The completely blew us off. Next he started to make me approach girls left and right. I didn't feel mentally prepared and didn't know what to say to them, so it made me very uncomfortable and hesitant. We walked around downtown, and I approached one girl and got blown off. Mr. A told me my body language needed work. I needed to also stand a bit further away to give them more time to walk up to me. I needed to spread my legs out more. I tried again, and got blown off again. Next he pointed to some asian girl walking. I approached her but chickened out of using his direct opener. I instead asked her for instructions and then started to tease her abit.

me: excuse me, how do I get to dundas square?
her: oh, ummm... you go down that way
me: are you sure? you don't seem like you know
her: umm.. ya it should be that way, points that way
me: I don't trust you, you don't seem too sure of yourself
her: umm... its that way, (points in that direction)
me: can you walk me there?
her: actually I have to go

I walk back to Mr. A and the vancouver guy and he says its alrite. We walk down to Ryerson. He tells me to approach random girls without really giving me any openers and lines and I get scared about not knowing what to say so I chicken out of most of them. Then we sit down, and he again tells me to approach a few girls. I again chicken out. Then finally I see a girl walking towards us with a sparkling pair of shoes. I finally had my opener. I approached her and commented her on her shoes.

me: hey, you got some nice sparkling shoes
her: thanks and smiles
me: did you get them here?
her: I got them from the US

At this point, I didn't know what to say so I just starting saying random ****. Basically the first thing that came into my head.

me: do you always buy shoes from the US?
her: sometimes
me: so do you go to school here?
her: ya
me: what are you studying?
her: sociology
me: that sounds like fun
her: ya (said something else I can't remember)
her: do you go here?
me: ya
her: what are you studying?
me: IT management ( I said the first thing that came into my head lol)
her: oh cool
me: its actually....pretty boring (I pretend to fall asleep). Sociology is a lot more interesting
her: laughs... ya
me: what's your name?
her: tells me her name
her: asks me for my name?
me: tells her my name
me: so how has your day been? you heading to class or something?
her: its good, I'm actually meeting my bf in a few minutes
me: ok cool
me: well it was nice meeting you

I eject. Basically once I heard she had a bf, I figured no point in pursuing the conversation any longer. Mr. A and the guy from Vancouver critique my performance and say I should have continued even when she mentioned she had a bf. They said I ejected too soon. So we all sat down and Mr. A is trying to push me to approach again but I chicken out because I didn't know what to open the girls with. He gets a call and then takes off and says he'll be back. At this point, I think I had approached about 5 girls or so. So me and the guy from Vancouver are sitting down and chatting while I'm picking his brains. He says he's so tired from not sleeping and stuff. Finally he decides to show me how to open a girl. While sitting down he yells out to some asian girl.

him: hey, hey, hey ( in a loud voice)
her: stops walking and looks back
him: come here for a sec
him: are you from Toronto as he gets up
her: ya
him: Gives her a high five, awesome
her: are you from Toronto
him: no, I'm from vancouver
her: oh
him: are you korean?
her: no, I'm Filipino.
him: what's your name?
her: tells him her name


They talk for a few minutes. He kept on giving her high fives and each time she smiled more and more and was more into the conversation. He was pretty smooth. I was standing there in awe and was like holy ****. He could have easily number closed her but he didn't. He said she was too ugly lol. Me and him started walking around as he said he was now charged up and ready to do approaches. He starting giving me tips on how to approach. He told me to just say stupid **** and also to be more loud like him. My loud voice was way too quiet because I was nervous as heck. As we started walking and talking, eventually he said his vibe and energy was gone lol. So we end up meeting up with Mr. A again. This time there was 3 new guys there. A black guy who called himself "Prince", some asian guy who tried to look gangster and a very nerdy looking scrawny short middle eastern guy who looked like he could past as a white guy. This nerdy guy had an extremely terrible fashion sense. He was wearing a red plaid shirt on the outside with a black nike t-shirt on the inside. He had his school backpack on and his jeans were ugly as hell. His shoes looked like they were 10 years old. He needed a serious haircut. Overall very sloppy looking. So we all introduce ourselfs. Then all of a sudden another tall scrawny old looking asian guy comes by and we exchange introductions.
 
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Prince immediately starts approaching a 2 set right behind us. Everyone of us was like holy **** this guys really smooth. He talked with the 2 set for a while, all the while Mr. A was still trying to get me to approach. I end up approaching a girl, but get blown off as well. Then Mr. A tells me to chase down some black chick crossing the street. I manage to approach her. I use the " excuse me, are you Jamaican?" opener. She says no. I ask her if she knows where I can get some Jamaican food lol (my mind was blank so I just said the first thing that came into my head). She says no. I say ok and take off. Prince returns back to the group to give his report. Everyone is chatting and I ask Prince a few questions about how long it took him to get to this level. He said he has only been at this for 1.5 months. I was shocked!!! Only 1.5 months I ask. He says ya, but also he had an easier time adapting because he's black lol. He says he was naturally more confident then us when he first started. Now we all break up into groups. Prince takes me under his wing while Mr. A goes off with that nerdy guy and a few of the other guys. Prince asks me do I know about the countdown game. I say no and ask him what's that. He explains that I have 10 minutes to approach a predetermined number of girls otherwise I get punched as hard as they can. I'm like no. Then he pretty much forces me to go with it. He says ok, you got 10 minutes to approach 3 girls. I naturally didn't want to get punched so as he is setting the timer, I spot a girl with some red boots. I now had my opener. I immediately went over to her before I developed approach anxiety. I forgot how the entire conversation went but this was what I remembered.

me: hey, you got some nice red boots
her: (looks at me) thanks
me: so how are you?
her: good
me: what's your name?
her: tells me her name
me: hi I'm my name

I eject. Prince praises me and I start to get into the groove. We walk around, and I spot another girl but I hesitate. Prince gives me an opener and I immediately approach the next girl. Next he tells me to approach some girl, using a direct opener whereby I tell her I find her very attractive. I chicken out of doing this. Eventually I approach a girl using this opener. All done. Prince is impressed and gives me a fist pump. We had back to the group. Prince said I need to approach more girls. He says he's upping the stakes. I refuse. He starts the countdown and says I need to approach 5 girls in 10 minutes now. I'm like ****. Now I start to hesitate. I use the line " excuse me, are you korean?. She says no, she's Filipino as she walks off. Next I see some girl tall blonde and I use the move that Mr. a taught me that involves standing in front of them and motioning with my hand for them to stop. She slows down and I use the direct opener. She says thanks then walks off. I use this opener again on another girl but get blown off. Prince says he'll show me how to do it properly. He approaches a girl and she gives him her hand lol. He laughs it off and we proceed. I approach some girl with a tie die colored dress and comment on her dress. No response from her. Next I approach another girl, but she is walking away as I'm walking backwards to try and talk to her. Prince says I shouldn't do that because it looks like I'm following her and supplicating. We walk across the street. I see some girl with a big funky looking umbrella. I approach her. "hey can I hide under your umbrella too?". She shakes her head. I eject. Prince praises me on being able to think on the spot and use situational openers like that. I think I approached one more girl before the time ran out. I managed to approach 6 girls instead of 5. So my total count for the day was somewhere around 15 girls, not including the girls who completely blew me off. It felt kind of good to have accomplished that. I even used a direct opener two times as well. This was the one opener that scared the **** out of me. As we all got back together with MR. A and the guy from Vancouver. We spot a asian girl with earphones on. They tell me to approach her. I'm hesitant and say she saw me look at her and now she's looking at me. Prince tells me to go say "are you checking out my ass?" Before I even thought about it, I approached her and waved for her to take her earphones off. I then said the exact same line lol. She was like "what, no". I could have probably continued the conversation but I didn't know how to follow up with that. That was some crazy **** I just did there lol. At this point, I'm pretty hungry and tired from doing all these approaches. I must have spent like 1.5-2hrs doing approaches with these guys. I tell them I'm going to go grab some food and I'll be back so that we can all head to the rsd dinner with Julienne. As I finish my food in the food court, I head to the washroom to pee. I get a call while I'm peeing so I can't pick it up. It was Mr. a saying they're all leaving now to go to the dinner event. I text him I'm coming up. No reply back. I show up at the spot and everyone took off and its pouring rain. I stand outside patiently waiting to hear back from Mr. A. As I'm waiting I see some girl running away from some fat crazy women. She runs inside the mall, then exits the mall through a store and she stands beside me. She's pretty good looking about a 7.5. She was earlier soliciting donations for a hospital or charity. As I was still in the zone, I approach her and ask her what was all that about. She explains she was being followed by that crazy women. I tease her a little bit and she says she's scared. While this conversation is going on, she is huddled under my umbrella without even asking me. I tell her I'll protect her lol. She says thanks. She then says she needs to go, but she might be back if she sees that crazy women again. I probably could have number closed her if I knew how to continue the conversation and escalate it. I hear nothing back from Mr. A so at this point, I'm like **** it, I'm heading home. So I head home. I eventually get a text from Mr. A saying he left without me but for me to meet them there. I had already gotten on the bus and paid my fare so no way was I going to travel back. I just left. As I got off the bus and making my way home, I spoke a chick running across the street with her phone. I see her texting on her phone while walking. I was going to approach her and use the opener " did you know its illegal to text while walking", but I chickened out and walked past her. I was also out of the zone at this point. I later say another chick walking her dead and I was going to approach her but again chickened out. It seems I really need a wingman to help push me. Prince I felt was great. He had the right amount of pushiness while also making me feel more comfortable by giving me lines and openers instead of just pushing me to approach blind without anything to say. I had managed to approach about 9 girls in 20 minutes with him, while it took me 1-2 hrs to approach 5 girls with Mr. A. I should have tried to get his contact info but I'm sure I'll be seeing him around again.

Oh ya that nerdy guy who I mentioned earlier he was calling guys out there chodes while I hadn't even seen him approach a single girl. He mentioned that he had already approached 5 girls when we first met up with him. Whether or not this is true, I don't know. He seemed pretty contempt with only approaching 5 girls. That other asian guy who dressed like a gangster he took off to do solo game and I never saw him again until later when he and Prince went to do daygame in the mall as I was heading the foodcourt. Mr. A says he's real good. I'm little bummed about the dinner event, but at the same time I'm kind of happy that I managed to approach about 15 girls today and I approached 9 of them all within 20 minutes. That's definitely a new record for me. I think Prince's style really meshes with me. It would be great if I can wing with him more often as he has really good game and is a pretty good mentor. Tomorrow I have the rsd nation workshop. Hopefully I'll be able to pick up some tips to further up my game and meet and network with more wings.

I can't believe I'm now approaching girls. Only a few weeks ago, I was reading field reports from other members of susuave and was very envious of their confidence to be able to do this. I thought it would take me months before I could do this. Never in my wildest dreams would I imagine myself doing this only after reading about this stuff a few weeks ago. I guess the next step from this point on is to continue doing this so that I can conquer my approach anxiety, work on fine tuning my approaches, looking to tease and bust the girls balls, build rapport, and either making a instadate or number closing the girl. Well it looks my works cut out for me.

That's all for tonight.
 

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thunder_god said:
Date: 26 DEC 14

Yo Rex, I should have listened to you man. This chick has been playing games after games. I'm getting to the point where I'm ready to next this girl. I was ignoring her text and stuff and she starts getting all angry. I call her, she don't pick up, so I'm like screw her then. Next she calls me and I ignore her phone call cause I was pissed at the disrespect she was showing me. She starts texting me saying I'm not picking up, and that I suck and that she hates me. So then she finally calls me again, so I pretend to make an excuse up as to why I didn't pick up the phone. Sounds like the girl was crying or something earlier and she says she hates me blah blah blah. I think I let her anger and crying get to me. Anyways I ask her out, and then she is like I don't date guys in my program, etc. 5-10 minutes later, this girl is telling me how she wants to make out with me and how she finds me cute and **** then tells me I can't hold her accountable for it because she is drunk. I'm like on the phone going wtf in my head. What kind of a ****ed up game is this, first they say they don't wanna go on a date with you then next they say they wanna be making out with you.

Today she acts like nothing happened and stuff saying she was under the influence of alcohol. Next time she contacts me, I'm telling her straight up, either we are going out on a date or she is to never contact me again, unless its about school stuff. I think this experience has taught me to grow thicker skin and not fall for all those BS from women even if she's crying. I can't believe I even let it get this out of hand, I wasn't even initially interested in this girl, I actually had my eyes set on another girl that right now seems like a way better catch. I can't believe I let this girl get into my head and make me stop doing things I need to be doing such as studying, working out, and setting goals in life that I was doing 2-3 weeks ago. Girl Flaking, http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=210946-Post #15
thunder_god said:
Date: 04 FEB 14

Anyways I started to notice my behaviour getting affected by her words and actions, and my emotions started to get out of control. I could be happy and feel like cloud nine one moment, to being completely pissed off the next, or really depressed and sad. It was like a drug addiction, and I didn't even see it coming.

She seems to be more distance now and doesn't really text me anymore, it also doesn't help that I started to give her really short replies back either and don't reply back nor pick up her calls right away, as in the past, as I'm trying to move on. Anyways I don't think its salvageable anymore nor can things return to the way they were. She probably thinks I'm being weird and cold towards her, while I'm thinking she's trying to distance herself from me. Thank god, I don't have to see her for 3 weeks after this week when I do my placement. I think I'm going through the withdrawal symptoms of oneitis right now. "How to Get Over Oneitis?," http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=212319-Post 14
thunder_god said:
Date: 04 MAR 14

I feel like complete **** right now. I can't believe this ****ing pain I am feeling right now. I just deleted her number as well, but still the ****ing feeling is so intense right now, I don't know how to deal with it. I kind of want to delete her off of facebook but then it would show that I was affected by her deleting and blocking my number. I don't even want to give her back the item now and just give it to someone else in class to return it back to her, but then it would show that I cared too much and was affected. I didn't expect anything to happen by me giving her back her item, and I thought it was a nice gesture just so things aren't weird or anything between us but damn, I feel like I should have just left it there. I have been feeling like **** lately for not contacting her and seeing her being distance now but ****, this **** really hit the spot. I really need to ****ing move on now, but how the **** am I gonna do this? I'm at a all time low right now. I'm going to get kicked out of my program because of this pain and crap I have been feeling and I desperately need to pull my grades back up but now my mind is all ****ed up now.

Just when you thought the pain couldn't get any worst, and then it just hits you in the right spot. "I Feel Like Complete SH*T Right Now," http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=213149-Post 1
And this is thunder_god as of June 26, 2014.

thunder_god said:
but at the same time I'm kind of happy that I managed to approach about 15 girls today and I approached 9 of them all within 20 minutes
:up: :up: :yes: Dude in six months you went from being sprung on a chick that you allowed to disrupt your moods to,

1) Not only acknowledging that you have a problem, but seeking and implementing the remedies.

2) Listening to and most importantly acting upon the advice that is given to you in this forum.

3) Changing your wardrobe.

4) Coming to New York on your on.

5) Dealing with your approach anxiety and approaching women.

6) Approaching 15 women in a day. Dude to you realize that if you approach fifteen women in a day, you would have approached 105 in a week, and 420 in a month. Dude, you can't tell me at that rate you wouldn't have f*cked somebody buy the end of the summer, (assuming that it would even take long,)

The problem with your sarges is that they come as a job interview. The purpose of the sarge is to get the chick to

1) If you interesting.

2) Be comfortable with you.

3) Build rapport.

4) Build trust.

5) Start having feelings of lust towards you.

You questions need to be more opened ended and posed in such a way that allows for conversation to flow. When you compliment a chick's shoes say, that you like way that she coordinated her ensemble with her shoes. She'll get happy, but you hit her with the and come with, "But you should have wore "x" color.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qsaxJCvahA

Tyler's 5 Secrets For Talking Forever - Never Run Out Of Things To Say Again! (+Infield short convo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x79EV2Va9RY

How To Create Content On The Fly And Never Run Out Of Things To Say

At your stage bruh, once you have a broad's attention, just talk. It's about finding out what works and what doesn't. Also, if you want a sure fire way to have a woman's attention. Start studying astrology. "But, Rex I don't believe in astrology. Neither do I. There's no way in hell that 6 billion plus people are going to have the same 12 positive things happen to them during the course of the day. So whether or not you dig astrology is irrelevant, chicks dig astrology and they like guys that can give them insight on themselves.

The only place you f*cked up at was the missing out on that dinner with Julien. You should have went to that sh*t and unfortunately you missed out on a lot of good game and you could have gotten some much needed pointers and some questions answered by one of the best in the game. Over all, great effort and phenomenal progress. You're going to be great thunder_god.
 

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Maximus Rex said:
This was you exactly six months ago today.







And this is thunder_god as of June 26, 2014.



:up: :up: :yes: Dude in six months you went from being sprung on a chick that you allowed to disrupt your moods to,

1) Not only acknowledging that you have a problem, but seeking and implementing the remedies.

2) Listening to and most importantly acting upon the advice that is given to you in this forum.

3) Changing your wardrobe.

4) Coming to New York on your on.

5) Dealing with your approach anxiety and approaching women.

6) Approaching 15 women in a day. Dude to you realize that if you approach fifteen women in a day, you would have approached 105 in a week, and 420 in a month. Dude, you can't tell me at that rate you wouldn't have f*cked somebody buy the end of the summer, (assuming that it would even take long,)

The problem with your sarges is that they come as a job interview. The purpose of the sarge is to get the chick to

1) If you interesting.

2) Be comfortable with you.

3) Build rapport.

4) Build trust.

5) Start having feelings of lust towards you.

You questions need to be more opened ended and posed in such a way that allows for conversation to flow. When you compliment a chick's shoes say, that you like way that she coordinated her ensemble with her shoes. She'll get happy, but you hit her with the and come with, "But you should have wore "x" color.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qsaxJCvahA

Tyler's 5 Secrets For Talking Forever - Never Run Out Of Things To Say Again! (+Infield short convo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x79EV2Va9RY

How To Create Content On The Fly And Never Run Out Of Things To Say

At your stage bruh, once you have a broad's attention, just talk. It's about finding out what works and what doesn't. Also, if you want a sure fire way to have a woman's attention. Start studying astrology. "But, Rex I don't believe in astrology. Neither do I. There's no way in hell that 6 billion plus people are going to have the same 12 positive things happen to them during the course of the day. So whether or not you dig astrology is irrelevant, chicks dig astrology and they like guys that can give them insight on themselves.

The only place you f*cked up at was the missing out on that dinner with Julien. You should have went to that sh*t and unfortunately you missed out on a lot of good game and you could have gotten some much needed pointers and some questions answered by one of the best in the game. Over all, great effort and phenomenal progress. You're going to be great thunder_god.
Thanks for the continued support. It really helps push me to continue to improve myself. These 15 approaches scared the $hit out of me. I was a nervous wreck and as a result was not able to be myself. My brain just froze and I didn't really know what to say after I opened them. I will start learning about how to talk to the girl after I open them. As for that dinner thing, I did want to go, but I didn't have the address for the restaurant and it was so last minute that it was posted that I didn't get a chance to print it out. I texted Mr. a but he took forever to reply back with the address, that by the time I received it I was already on the bus home.
 

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Week 10 day 4: I'm going to try to make this one shorter because I need to head to bed. Today I texted Mr. A hoping to do some daygame with him, but unfortunatley he said he wasn't doing it. I saw several random girls here and there downtown and in my head I knew exactly what to say to open them, but I had that mental block that prevented me from actually doing it. This tells me I still need to rely on my wings to push me. so while waiting for the rsd workshop to start, I text the chinese HB6 to go out dancing this weekend.

me: Hey when are u free to go out dancing?

her: how's this sat? I think a bunch of people from class are going to the church on spadina

me: Are u free tmr? ( I didn't want this to be a group thing plus travelling to and from downtown on weekends is a pain in the a$$).

Her: I'm free during the day, I'm having dinner with M from class and going to watch a musical at 7:30. Unless if you wanna go to one of the salsa clubs later at night?

me:That's what I was going to suggest, u read my mind lol

her: Haha yeah sure. What time and where were you thinking? Want me to ask M if she wants to come too? Though I'm not sure if she can stay out late

me: At 9:30 at this club near this intersection
me: She can come if she wants
me: Free cover for ladies after 9:30

her: Sounds good. Doesn't that club get ridiculously crowded..? I'll check with her! I don't have my ticket with me so I'm not sure when the show ends. I'll confirm a time by 11 tonight

me: I'll find a few clubs just in case it gets crowded.

her: Haha its ok, I don't mind too much. Thanks!

As you can kind of figure out, she doesn't think its a date which is bad. I'll have to escalate the conversation into something more sexual. She hasn't gotten back to me yet and its 2:57am here. I'm not going to text her again until like 4-5pm to confirm tmr. I don't want to appear that I'm chasing her but at the same time I don't want to waste my time either. If she confirms I'll say something like" awesome and don't forget to wear something hot and sexy. I have a reputation to keep you know ;).

If she doesn't confirm I'll say something like "just wanted to confirm we are still up for tonight? otherwise I'll make plans with someone else.". I'm going to make alternate plans with my buddy who is also going out dancing tmr with his new gf and her friend just in case. If there's one thing I learned, its that chicks like to flake unless they are highly interested in you. From what I have seen, this is not the case with this girl (being highly interested) so to not waste my time, I'm making backup plans.

She was texting back quite fast, which is a good sign. Reminds me of the good old days where my oneitis would text me back right away.

I'm going to head to bed now and finish this journal entry tmr.
 

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So after texting that chick, I head to the rsd workshop. Just before I enter the building a spot a classmate of mine. Me and her make eye contact. She doesn't quite recognize me due to my new appearance. We chat abit and she asks me what I'm doing here. I reply I'm here for a workshop. Then she asks me what workshop. I ignore the question and ask her what she's doing here. She says she lives here and I'm like you live in a hotel? She's like no, and I'm like you live in some fancy ass hotel. Then she asks me again "what workshop". I hesitate for a second and then say "personal growth and development" lol. Me and her then say our goodbyes and I head to the workshop. That kind of freaked me out as I was worried people in my class would find out that I'm learning about pickup.

The place was surrounded by hundreds of guys. I see Mr. A and a few familiar faces so I sit at the same table as them. I start chatting up two young teenagers on my table. Both of them seem really geeky and scrawny. They mention that they have been studying this stuff for a while now but haven't applied any of it. There's also a russian dude sitting beside me as well. After a while, I see Prince show up as well. Me and Prince give the nod and then we exchange numbers. I finally have a good wingman who can push me the right way I say in my mind. Next I spot some guy from my salsa class. I'm like oh $hit. Now people are going to know. I then turn over to my left and again I spot another guy from my ballroom class there. I thought this guy was gay lol. The workshop begins. There's some guy named Mike if I'm not mistaken giving his little story and how to be honest with people about your lifestyle. Next Julien goes up and answers a lot of questions. Then Julien does some speech trying to elicit an emotional response from the audience to to try to motivate everyone. Finally he ends the event by trying to oversell the **** out of their bootcamp and hotseat event. They must be ****ing crazy to think I would pay $2000 for that ****. Mr. A tells me he signed up for it. The event ends and everyone runs up to Julien to take a picture with him. The event was packed with rsd fanboys. It felt like a cult or something. I'm all for learning about game so that it improves my pickup skills, but to accept everything the rsd guys say without questioning it seems kind of extreme. Anyways I exchange a few more numbers and get myself some new wingman. Most of the guys there all head to maddy's. I just left and went home as I didn't want to be part of a 100 + mob of pickup artists going to a pub.

I also forgot to mention I replied back to my oneitis's text early in the morning. Just before I replied back to it, I uploaded some photos of me on my trip to Vancouver. I made sure to pick pics that showed me happy and having fun. I just told her "obviously that didn't work since I was away on a trip without cell service. Why don't you call me later this week :)". About 45 minutes later she replies "where did you go? ok I'll call you tmr". I was pretty packed for tmr plus I was suppose to go out dancing with my potential plate so I didn't want to be talking to my oneitis tmr. When I woke up I noticed she liked one of my facebook photos. She never did this before when I uploaded photos so it appears she's looking for attention. I texted her later in the afternoon "tomorrow won't work, I have a bit of time free on saturday and sunday". She immediately replied back "I'll call you next week, probably going to the cottage". This appeared like a bait to try to get me to talk over text, and I did not want to have any of that so I didn't reply back. I want to make it a bit more difficult for her instead of handing her everything on a silver platter and make it chase.
 
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