Does it really get better for men with age?

[Pierce Manhammer]

As has been said repeatedly and proven in some cases on this forum in the past, men in their 50s who have their shyte together aren't raging arseholes, have some game and are in good shape and handsome, and can and do bed 20-somethings. Not everyone can, especially if the man is delusional about his own SMV, and is a raging arsehole, etc.

I understand that your experience does not allow you to accept this and that there's some cognitive dissonance at work here. And that's OK.

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This sort of meme has been pushed in the past decades. It's blatant anti-natalist population reduction psyop. Any ****head who thinks women want a man 20 or even 10 years older is straight up delusional. Women want men around their same age. Older women prefer younger men, just like men prefer younger women. Even Elon ****ing Musk is less desirable at 50 then he was at 40 or 30. It's downright moronic that men actually believe this ****. The key is to be very successful while still young, and stay that way. Getting old doesn't make you better, and certainly not more attractive.

 

[sangheilios]

As has been said repeatedly and proven in some cases on this forum in the past, men in their 50s who have their shyte together aren't raging arseholes, have some game and are in good shape and handsome, and can and do bed 20-somethings. Not everyone can, especially if the man is delusional about his own SMV, and is a raging arsehole, etc.

I understand that your experience does not allow you to accept this and that there's some cognitive dissonance at work here. And that's OK.

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That picture lol

 

[BadBoy89]

My best years in terms of women were my mid to late 20s. That is the age a lot of women are looking for a partner to settle with, it was so easy to score or to even get in a relationship.

Don’t know why so many people say ”a man’s best years in his 30s”. I never got 1/10 of the action in my 30s than I had in my 20s.

 

[lubstur]

My best years in terms of women were my mid to late 20s. That is the age a lot of women are looking for a partner to settle with, it was so easy to score or to even get in a relationship.

Don’t know why so many people say ”a man’s best years in his 30s”. I never got 1/10 of the action in my 30s than I had in my 20s.

How would you compare yourself in your 20s vs your 30s?

 

[Slowhandluke]

My best years in terms of women were my mid to late 20s. That is the age a lot of women are looking for a partner to settle with, it was so easy to score or to even get in a relationship.

Don’t know why so many people say ”a man’s best years in his 30s”. I never got 1/10 of the action in my 30s than I had in my 20s.

Times change. I agree, 20 years ago, when divorces weren't common and women mostly dated within their own social circle; mid to late 20's was the perfect time to settle down. Now, with dating apps, women going on the c0cck carousel, older people in the dating pool, etc. that is not the case.

We must change with the times, Ask a senior citizen when his best years were, he would probably say late teens to earlier 20's. During his life where life was hard, people wanted to settle down quicker and pool their resources and have their families work together to bring up kids, etc.

 

[Slowhandluke]

How would you compare yourself in your 20s vs your 30s?

My 30 year old version of myself would completely humiliate my 20 year old version of myself. Seducing my younger version of my self's girlfriend wouldn't even be an issue.

I think this is the case for most men who are in their 30's. However, in the past, the older selves wouldn't be able to seduce the younger version because these older guys would already be married w/ kids, and have other things to worry about (they wouldn't want to). But now times are different. There are a lot more older men who are not married.

 

[buddhafukko]

Yes, taking care of yourself makes you more attractive. This has nothing to do with age. A 25 year old who takes care of himself is more attractive then a 35 year old who takes care of himself. A rich ripped 35 year old may be more attractive to a 25 year old girl then poor skinny 25 year old guy. But a rich ripped 25 year old guy is even more attractive. Why is this difficult for men to understand? It's a psychological coping mechanism. All things being equal, younger is always better.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Yes.

My2cents.

If you know the ever changing "game", life essentially gets easier. As long as you can provide for yourself, not in debt, healthy, and have a steady future plan.

 

[pipeman84]

Yes, taking care of yourself makes you more attractive. This has nothing to do with age. A 25 year old who takes care of himself is more attractive then a 35 year old who takes care of himself. A rich ripped 35 year old may be more attractive to a 25 year old girl then poor skinny 25 year old guy. But a rich ripped 25 year old guy is even more attractive. Why is this difficult for men to understand? It's a psychological coping mechanism.

Considering that women are hard wired to look for masculine traits (leadership, ability to provide, protect) in a mate, why is 25yrs old ripped rich guy more attractive than the 35yrs old rich ripped guy? It doesn't make sense.

All things being equal, younger is always better.

That's true regarding women. Again, you can't argue with biology ... men are hard wired to look for feminine traits in a mate (fertility - which is very strongly connected to age, loyalty).

 

[Smok1nAce]

Yes, taking care of yourself makes you more attractive. This has nothing to do with age. A 25 year old who takes care of himself is more attractive then a 35 year old who takes care of himself. A rich ripped 35 year old may be more attractive to a 25 year old girl then poor skinny 25 year old guy. But a rich ripped 25 year old guy is even more attractive. Why is this difficult for men to understand? It's a psychological coping mechanism. All things being equal, younger is always better.

Yes and no.

Money, Muscle and Status, don't necessarily make you a Man.

I agree If I was a 18 and knew the things I know now with the muscle, money and whatever, yeah I wouldn't be able to compete with my current self. But this is not how the world works and IS FANTASY.

The same thing can be said about women put a mind of a 60 year old into a 18 year old girl and women would probably be running this world. The biggest difference in women and men is women aren't fertile after 40, men are until the day they die if they take care of themselves.

Even in a perfect world your logic isn't even accurate. Considering you take the same person, at 18 that same person will have more muscle, money, ect BS 10 years later. Your logic would only work if the man literately did nothing for 10 years accept age.

Your logic is a coping mechanism for women and beta men.

 

[lubstur]

A rich ripped 35 year old may be more attractive to a 25 year old girl then poor skinny 25 year old guy. But a rich ripped 25 year old guy is even more attractive. Why is this difficult for men to understand? It's a psychological coping mechanism. All things being equal, younger is always better.

I thought about this last night. I think you're probably right that a 25 year old self has a better chance than a 35 year old self.

But isn't this all subjective? Theoretically, a 25 year old with the aesthetics of their 20s but the mindset and skills of a 35 year old self will probably do better, but this doesn't seem realistic.

I know the traits that girls find attractive takes time: self assurance, confidence in yourself, and experience with dealing and handling challenges in life. I don't believe you can fake that, girls have good bull **** detectors, they see right through that, which is why older men do have certain advantages (along w/ cons).

I see so many young 20s in my college campus and older people of varying ages in my school and I can see right through people who are still "discovering themselves." It looks cringe but then I also remember that's what most of us have gone through.

I don't think these traits are inherently acquired for most men at 25, I just haven't seen ANY 25 whose embodied the soul of an older man, even the "I'm an old soul/mature" guy type.

I won't argue with your merit that 25 year old chad > 35 year old chad. But I don't think the points made on this forum are COPE. I've seen a lot of what they're saying anecdotally, go out there yourself and you will probably recognize some of what these guys are saying.

Who knows, maybe a top 1% 35 year old chad > 25 year old chad? I might be naive but I won't give up till I've reached there.

 

[Smok1nAce]

The problem is most dudes get stuck in there OG game and think thats it. Like the 40 year old in the club still rocking baggy jeans and a durag like its 2005 vs the guy who kept in shape advanced his life has changed with the "game".

And their is alot more to game, then the basics of big muscle, clothes and money.

TBH I would say the big muscle look of the early 2000s is going out of style like afros in the 70s. Women with tattoos are starting to fade out of fashion along with the Kim K look. A man who can adapt to whats next will be winning.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Age is irrelevant if a woman thinks you're attractive. Most young women think men up to 10 years older are attractive; some young women think a more substantial age gap is attractive. Funny, these women often don't find men around their own age attractive, so it's not like these women are 'stolen' by older men. Women have different tastes, no attractive man has the market covered.

 

[Westminster]

I'd say my peak SMV was about 30-31.

I'm now in my late 50s and still in good shape (think middleweight boxer). I've also got plenty of hair and a solid job.

I've just come home after giving a woman 22 years my junior a good seeing to. Would this woman have been interested in me at 30? I dunno but I'd have probably messed it up anyway.

My game is definitely better now as an older guy, even though it took me some time to get over a very nasty divorce.

The moral of all this - you work with what you've got and you'd be surprised. You can still do OK.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

My peak definitely started around 30 and doesn't seem to be slowing down, if anything it goes up each year.

I didn't even lose my virginity until 21; my 20s were mostly miserable experiences even though I was atonishingly good looking, especially in my early 20s, but it didn't make up for my (mostly) ****ty game except for a brief RSD phase that gave me superficial PUA-styled success.

As long as you take care of yourself (especially your skin and hair) you will hit your prime in your mid-late 30s and then a very slow gradual dropoff that may last until you're 50. Everything comes together in your mid 30s. Your looks/vitality have barely declined and you have the wisdom of 15+ years of adult experience + more wealth/money earning potential. You get the best of everything with almost no drawbacks. If you can stay in shape and age gracefully it's not even hard to imagine hitting your prime at 40-45.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

My peak definitely started around 30 and doesn't seem to be slowing down, if anything it goes up each year.

I thought I was peaking around 25-30, but I really hit my stride at 50.

 

[buddhafukko]

Considering that women are hard wired to look for masculine traits (leadership, ability to provide, protect) in a mate, why is 25yrs old ripped rich guy more attractive than the 35yrs old rich ripped guy? It doesn't make sense.

That's true regarding women. Again, you can't argue with biology ... men are hard wired to look for feminine traits in a mate (fertility - which is very strongly connected to age, loyalty).

A 25 year who has accomplished these things IS MORE MASCULINE then someone that took 10 more years. Getting old doesn't make men more masculine. This is an extreme cope. Actually testosterone and physical stamina peak during the 20's. An alpha 25 year old will be that much better in ten years precisely because he is alpha.

 

[buddhafukko]

Most young women think men up to 10 years older are attractive; some young women think a more substantial age gap is attractive. Funny, these women often don't find men around their own age attractive, so it's not like these women are 'stolen' by older men. Women have different tastes, no attractive man has the market covered.

The data science clearly shows women find men 2-3 years difference most attractive. Read Freakonomics.

Age is irrelevant if a woman thinks you're attractive

Age is relevant, few women find old men (over 10 years older) physically attractive. They say this, and more importantly the dating statistics prove it.

I get the feeling most guys here are living in the 1950's fantasy before women made more money then most men.

 

[buddhafukko]

You can still do OK.

Of course but "doing OK' isn't a worthwhile goal. Men should slay hard when they are young, which is the true definition of alpha. And they should keep slaying. Age isn't going to make it easier, au contraire.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Younger men and men that are older that cannot get the attention of a women 10+ years younger shouldn’t worry about those who do. And yea there are those who can and do.