Does it really get better for men with age?

[Slowhandluke]

The data science clearly shows women find men 2-3 years difference most attractive. Read Freakonomics.

Age is relevant, few women find old men (over 10 years older) physically attractive. They say this, and more importantly the dating statistics prove it.

society is changing. your data set is obsolete. the same data these reports are using are probably showing most people are marrying arround late 20's.

however, current research is now showing there will be an abundance of unmarried women in their 40's within the next few years.

remember, there was a time when people thought that the horse and buggy would remain the dominant mode of transportation and previous horse and buggy sales/personal surveys "proved it"....

data science can only do so much to predict what is happening now or in the future.

at the end of the day, using previous data may not be a good predictor of the future. what will happen in the future doesn't necessarily correlate with the sales and opinions of horse and buggy owners. transportation is about getting from point a to point b. in the dating market, it's about what is innately important in a mate for a woman and a man.

men are attracted to young fertile women. women are attracted to strong, powerful men. age is not that important to women in general just like being intelligent is not that important to guys as long as she is beautiful. to say otherwise, is to spit on human history full of examples of young women being with older powerful guys... some significantly older.

 

[pipeman84]

A 25 year who has accomplished these things IS MORE MASCULINE then someone that took 10 more years. Getting old doesn't make men more masculine. This is an extreme cope.

Getting old per se doesn't make one masculine, true. Neither does winning the lottery or striking it rich on the stock market/pro athlete and becoming a millionaire by 25. But wisdom and maturity take time to develop, that's why a guy is more attractive at 35 than his version at 25. Provided of course he takes care of himself and doesn't de evolve.

Actually testosterone and physical stamina peak during the 20's

Even if that's true, they remain at a plateau or have a very slight decline afterwards, so who cares? Are you implying women assess guys based on lab values or one rep max for various lifts?

Age is relevant, few women find old men (over 10 years older) physically attractive. They say this, and more importantly the dating statistics prove it.

What they say depends on how the question is asked, if it's part of an actual discussion or it's some mindless poll on a dating app/site that a baboon could complete. What the dating statistics show is irrelevant to what men and women actually desire, or are you going to suggest that men in their late 30s and 40s really want to date women close to their age?

 

[Manure Spherian]

despite all of this, henry kissinger did just fine.

Yes, Henry Kissinger! A man with enormous power, which hardly any men have.

Men and women look for different things in a partner.

That's correct.

if you think women place looks above being dominate, powerful, etc.. you are the same as women who say men like girls who have their shiet together, men like woman that has a successful career, a house, basically men like girl bosses.

no, men in general do not like girl bosses. these are what women look for in a guy. if a man thinks women primarily look for handsome men, he is doing the same thing. he is projecting what he likes onto the girl. men will marry a cute Starbucks batista. women will not marry the cute jewel/Osco grocery bagger.

Perhaps you haven't seen my numerous posts in which I've stated power is one of the biggest aphrodisiacs in women.

I'm very aware of female nature.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Yes, Henry Kissinger! A man with enormous power, which hardly any men have.

Conversely, hardly any women are extremely attractive... but on average, most young women are average Most young average women do not require the "enormous power" that Henry Kissinger had. However, I do agree these women do require men not be average to compensate for his older age.... be somewhat successful.. be somewhat sociable.. etc. There are degrees.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

A 25 year who has accomplished these things IS MORE MASCULINE then someone that took 10 more years. Getting old doesn't make men more masculine. This is an extreme cope. Actually testosterone and physical stamina peak during the 20's. An alpha 25 year old will be that much better in ten years precisely because he is alpha.

Life is not just about external accomplishments. The wisdom of age comes from novel, varied experience and that's the most masculine quality you can have.

Also, you'd be hard pressed to find 25 year old men who is truly successful. Not talking about being rich or having a family, I mean being fully self actualized and sorted out. That's quite rare and i'd wager not even possible for a 25 year old to do unless they had an exceptionally lucky upbringing.

The data science clearly shows women find men 2-3 years difference most attractive. Read Freakonomics.


Age is relevant, few women find old men (over 10 years older) physically attractive. They say this, and more importantly the dating statistics prove it.

I get the feeling most guys here are living in the 1950's fantasy before women made more money then most men.

I would need to take a look at these studies as sociological survey based studies tend to be flawed, but even if the studies were done well, there may be other factors at play that might account for this. For instance, attractive older men are generally more rare, most older men let themselves go, so the studies might simply using average men of all age groups, naturally younger 'average' men will be more attractive.

My point has always been, older men by default are not more attractive, but if you have managed to take care of yourself and age gracefully you WILL be more attractive than you were when you were younger. In other words, a top tier 40 year old man will be have higher SMV than a top tier 20 year old man.

 

[buddhafukko]

society is changing. your data set is obsolete.

It's quite recent data and yes, society is changing. It's getting worse for men. That abundance of 40 something unmarried women are ****ing much younger men, and it's exploding. Why? Because they can. Every virile young man has had affairs with hot 40+ year old MILFs and perfectly understand this. They don't need your money and they certainly don't want "a powerful strong man" telling them what to do, which is precisely why they made it to 40 unmarried. Sure, if you are sufficiently wealthy and powerful like Henry fkin Kissinger you can pay your *****s to act like girlfriends, but don't believe for a second this is some kind of genuine attraction. Look at the recent revelation about Hugh Hefner's bunnies. They ****ing hated the sick old creep.

 

[buddhafukko]

What they say depends on how the question is asked, if it's part of an actual discussion or it's some mindless poll on a dating app/site that a baboon could complete.

It's not what the say or "some mindless poll". It's what they are doing. It's their actual dating activity. Comprende?
You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

The OKCupid dataset: A very large public dataset of dating site users

 

[buddhafukko]

In other words, a top tier 40 year old man will be have higher SMV than a top tier 20 year old man.

Is this why all the best 20 something women are marrying "top tier 40 year old men" and locking that **** down?
Is this why all young millionaire Christian Greys cait wait till they hit 40?
50 Shades was the best selling book of the decade precisely because it tapped into what most women want.
A rich, powerful, young man.

 

[buddhafukko]

Getting old per se doesn't make one masculine, true. Neither does winning the lottery or striking it rich on the stock market/pro athlete and becoming a millionaire by 25

Actually winning does make you more masculine. When men succeed in competitive activities, their testosterone literally goes up. The loser's testosterone goes down. Are you actually trying to argue that successful pro athletes aren't more masculine?

 

[Slowhandluke]

50 Shades was the best selling book of the decade precisely because it tapped into what most women want.
A rich, powerful, young man.

Women may want a rich, powerful, young man; however, most rich powerful men are older That's a fact. Reality dictates what actions can be taken. Given a choice, will a woman in general want a rich, powerful older man OR a poor, not powerful, young man? There are many young men who work as bus drivers, cashiers at Walmart, factory workers, etc.. I don't see many girls falling head over heels for these guys. There's not enough rich, powerful young men to go around. There are more rich, powerful older men. But they too are rare, but more obtainable. At the end of the day, being a young attractive woman, is not that unique or rare.

Believe what you want. A lot of women believe that having a successful career, being the girl boss, independent, etc.. should get them the man of their dreams @ the ripe old age of 38; but that doesn't really work out that well for them.

What do men REALLY want? A lot of men would say a harem of young beautiful women.... But reality dictates that men can't really have that. Ultimate desire for both genders does not dictate what really happens in the real world. People ultimately choose among the best choices they can get.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Look at the recent revelation about Hugh Hefner's bunnies. They ****ing hated the sick old creep.

But yet, they were willing to sleep with him. Go around the world and say they were his girlfriends; be his wife. Lick his wrinkled, nutt s@ck; etc.. etc.. These women were young and attractive. Out of billions of young men in the world these women could of chosen, why did these young women chose such an "old creep"???? And remember, Hugh had to hold "try outs" and "interviews" with many more women who "didn't make the cut" to be his girlfriend(s).

This is only one example, there are countless many more.... and throughout history.

 

[pipeman84]

It's not what the say or "some mindless poll". It's what they are doing. It's their actual dating activity. Comprende?
You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

The OKCupid dataset: A very large public dataset of dating site users

First off, that's the reality of OKCupid ... since I'm not on there or other dating apps/sites (for good reasons such as them having mostly male users, predominantly undesirable women and unnatural way of connecting for and expressing romantic interest), it's as relevant to me as the reality of North Korea.
Secondly, what (most) people are doing vs what they wished they were doing (what the elites are actually doing) are 2 completely different things.

Actually winning does make you more masculine. When men succeed in competitive activities, their testosterone literally goes up. The loser's testosterone goes down. Are you actually trying to argue that successful pro athletes aren't more masculine?

I'm suggesting that a 35yrs pro athlete is more masculine than his version at 25. You can easily see that on their faces, take a look at Cristiano Ronaldo for instance, at 25 he looked like a boy ... unless you're a 14-15yrs old girl, you can't say he's more attractive than his 35yrs old version.

 

[Manure Spherian]

It's getting worse for men.

Yes sir.

Most young men are single. Most young women are not.

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[Manure Spherian]

Box is the ultimate a

Look at the recent revelation about Hugh Hefner's bunnies. They ****ing hated the sick old creep.

End result was the same.

 

[Plinco]

Actually winning does make you more masculine. When men succeed in competitive activities, their testosterone literally goes up. The loser's testosterone goes down. Are you actually trying to argue that successful pro athletes aren't more masculine?

Testosterone is a key component for masculinity, but it's not the only ingredient

 

[Jor-El]

You can look at ol Hugh Hefner in 2 ways...I mean,on the one hand he was shagging gorgeous fit birds a fraction of his age....on the other,he must have known they didnt really fancy him and it was all about $$$ and the associated fame...but he was still rattling em so...so its good on him and high fives or sad old git...maybe its both..dunno

 

[characternote]

You can look at ol Hugh Hefner in 2 ways...I mean,on the one hand he was shagging gorgeous fit birds a fraction of his age....on the other,he must have known they didnt really fancy him and it was all about $$$ and the associated fame...but he was still rattling em so...so its good on him and high fives or sad old git...maybe its both..dunno

nothing wrong with it. But you don't need to be Hugh hefner and be famous and rich
You can bang 18 year old hot Hungarian/Polish hookers here for about £90 if you want lol
Same thing

 

[Slowhandluke]

nothing wrong with it. But you don't need to be Hugh hefner and be famous and rich
You can bang 18 year old hot Hungarian/Polish hookers here for about £90 if you want lol
Same thing

Youth and beauty is apparently only worth £90. How much is a successful, wealthy older man worth? I think a lot more than £90. Just a different perspective on things

 

[kuteguy]

Playboy Bunnies were a hot item while Hefner was still alive. After his death, Playboy Magazine floundered and the Bunny Status dropped like a stone. Now these washed up bunnies are resentful for not getting the validation they crave and try to get attention by bad-mounting Hefner.
These girls are true 304s, hooking up with Hefner to leech on his status and get in his magazine, maybe even marry him. Sure, they all 'hated the old creep'.
Know your sources.

EXACTLY what I Was about to say ..

 

[kuteguy]

A 25 year who has accomplished these things IS MORE MASCULINE then someone that took 10 more years. Getting old doesn't make men more masculine. This is an extreme cope. Actually testosterone and physical stamina peak during the 20's. An alpha 25 year old will be that much better in ten years precisely because he is alpha.

Having been 25 myself, and also older (43), I would have to TOTALLY disagree. The masculinity I have now makes the 25yr old version of me seem like an infant (and I was good looking, successful, etc etc from my teen years, so it is not about that).

People that are actually masculine (Something that cant be measure by how much hair you have, your physical stamina, or bank balance, or testosterone level) know what I am talking about. Others will be chasing shadows ...

We are all going to get older one day, luckily, as the saying goes, men age like fine wine .. and women like milk ;-)