Do alpha males pay for sex?

[Murk]

You sound confused:

Ordered an outcall (escort) to my house last night.

I directed her across the street opposite while watching, recording and masturbating from my window. Her driver (some Sergey) tried to get me to collect her from the car, I told him that ain't happening. Then directed her to my doorstep, she looked nice, I invite her in. She doesn't speak much...

www.sosuave.net

Tell me, if you groped a woman in public and ended up in court for sexual assault, would you tell a judge that you get women easily, and have a girlfriend, and they should drop the charges? Maybe you'd bring your girlfriend up to the stand in defense? The fact is you are paying for it. There are lots of alpha guys on here who won't even think about it and your are not honest about this with your gf.

You seem to be confused, there’s nothing illegal about what I do where I’m located.

I don’t care if other guys don’t do what I do. The most high value men in society pay for sex rather than their time. I’m honest about seeing escorts with my gf but no, I’m not honest about cheating on my gf maybe you would like her Insta to white knight and tell her what a bad guy I am?

Self proclaimed alpha that sometimes pays for sex reporting for duty.

 

[corrector]

You seem to be confused, there’s nothing illegal about what I do where I’m located.

It is illegal because you went to an incall. In UK they have indirect laws about it. You can't solicit (discuss sex for money) and brothels are illegal.

I don’t care if other guys don’t do what I do.

That does not change the argument. Most alpha-guys on here wouldn't touch a common hooker with a 10-foot pole.

The most high value men in society pay for sex rather than their time.

You mean rich guys. Are you saying that every rich person is a high-value man in society?

They may high-class escorts, mistresses, or have other arrangements. Certainly not the ghetto type of incall escort you saw for 60 pounds.
That's the type of hor that anyone can see. Did you bump into another guy who was coming in on the way out?

You just saw one tier above a street hooker.

I’m honest about seeing escorts with my gf but no, I’m not honest about cheating on my gf maybe you would like her Insta to white knight and tell her what a bad guy I am?

You should get yourself tested by a doctor since it's not fair to your gf to pass potential STDs to her.

You are not honest with her because you are afraid of her and how she will react. How can a coward be an alpha-guy? I thought you could get women. Would it matter how she reacts? If you are so alpha-guy then you'll simply replace her with another gal.

When a real alpha-guy like Justin Beiber visits hookers, he still has lots of fans who want to be with him. Yet, you are afraid of losing your gf that you don't really care about? Isn't that the scarcity mindset?

Self proclaimed alpha that sometimes pays for sex reporting for duty.

Sure.

 

[Gamisch]

People are obvisouly confused about the terms Alpamale and Chad ,and tend d to mix these up as if these are one and the same.

A alpha Male will not ever pay for something easily and readily available like sex in the form of prostitution. That would be a disgrace to his own honour. A alpha would rather pay twice as much for a expensive night out than to degrade his own self worth by performing such a act.

A Chad on the other hand might. A chad is just a guy who is perceived as good looking, but that says nothing about his mental condition a d his self image. A mental weak Chad can easily be insecure, and addicted to physical relief and chase it constantly. Chad might also be in constant need for " confidence fuel " , and getting this through women. So yes, he will try to fack every woman just to maintain the image he has about himself.

Chad and alpha don't have to be one person. If a man reaches that level, he is a dangerous man, but because he would have a code of honour other men shouldn't be worried too much about Alpha Chad hitting on their wives.

 

[Gamisch]

You seem to be confused, there’s nothing illegal about what I do where I’m located.

I don’t care if other guys don’t do what I do. The most high value men in society pay for sex rather than their time. I’m honest about seeing escorts with my gf but no, I’m not honest about cheating on my gf maybe you would like her Insta to white knight and tell her what a bad guy I am?

Self proclaimed alpha that sometimes pays for sex reporting for duty.

This is what I mean. Alpha, Chad, and High value man, are three separate entities. On rare occasions these 3 qualities intermingle with one another.

High value men who pay for sex are still low value men in the eyes of the women they pay. A true high value man Alpha should be able to tell a woman how he wants the relationship to take form, set rules and boundaries from the get go and if she does not comply she will be replaced

 

[Who Dares Win]

It cracks me up to hear guys that are drivers/cooks/cleaners/servants to a middle aged angry women that settled with after being expired, to proudly brag about not paying for sex.

Holy F, they dont pay with money but they pay with pieces of their souls.

In my opinion paying for sex is for losers only when it comes from a position of weakness...a decent smv guy that wants a quickie before going to back to his precision tasks is hardly a loser in my opinion unlike the guy in the first example.

A real loser is a guy that pay for sex with a professional while he is there seeking intimacy rather than sexual release.

 

[ezio6]

This thread will continue until the end of the world lmao , anyway im just bumping and grab my popcorn

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Every man pays for sex whether indirectly or directly.



Until about ages 45-50, this is correct. There are a lot of women in their 40s and 50s that pay directly for sex. There is a contingent of menopausal/post menopausal White women that go to the Caribbean, Mediterranean, and South Pacific to have sex with exotic young male prostitutes.

Female sex tourism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Good catch on 40 and up women possibly "paying" for sex.

 

[Murk]

It is illegal because you went to an incall. In UK they have indirect laws about it. You can't solicit (discuss sex for money) and brothels are illegal.



That does not change the argument. Most alpha-guys on here wouldn't touch a common hooker with a 10-foot pole.



You mean rich guys. Are you saying that every rich person is a high-value man in society?

They may high-class escorts, mistresses, or have other arrangements. Certainly not the ghetto type of incall escort you saw for 60 pounds.
That's the type of hor that anyone can see. Did you bump into another guy who was coming in on the way out?

You just saw one tier above a street hooker.



You should get yourself tested by a doctor since it's not fair to your gf to pass potential STDs to her.

You are not honest with her because you are afraid of her and how she will react. How can a coward be an alpha-guy? I thought you could get women. Would it matter how she reacts? If you are so alpha-guy then you'll simply replace her with another gal.

When a real alpha-guy like Justin Beiber visits hookers, he still has lots of fans who want to be with him. Yet, you are afraid of losing your gf that you don't really care about? Isn't that the scarcity mindset?



Sure.

It's not illegal because I don't use brothels and the women are not coerced, I don't really want to debate this with you when google is at your fingertips, I'm actually living here and experiencing this reality.

You mention the price of the hooker and the fact anyone can see her as if shes my partner or a status symbol? I had an itch to scratch so I scratched it. Not me being desperate for sex, because I had sex the night before. Seeing escorts doesn't make me alpha, being a self-made man with terrible upbringing, living a life way above my peers with financial freedom and superseding my baseline socioeconomic standing, plus being genetically gifted with height, looks and intelligence, plus having confidence and a natural aura of authority, makes me alpha. I don't need anyone online to verify this when I'm constantly reminded IRL of how good I have it. I don't tell my GF because I don't want to hurt her, it would complicate my life and go against the atmosphere of calm compliance I've cultivated in my 33 years.

If you and @Gamisch and whoever the fvck else want to perceive what I do as inferior, that's fine, I'm not doing it for you and my life trajectory remains the same.

You called Justin Bieber an alpha so I can't take your opinions seriously. A child star that looks like a lesbian raised on crackers and cheese who is rich, doesn't make an alpha. Apha is standing for something and not bending or taking the knee to submit to societal or outside pressure. Alpha is going against the grain, because deep down what you say goes, that society and the majority do not rule and are not always right. I may do sketchy ****, but I own it and I'm unapologetic about the way I live. I live boldly and answer to no one and to me that's alpha.

 

[Gamisch]

It's not illegal because I don't use brothels and the women are not coerced, I don't really want to debate this with you when google is at your fingertips, I'm actually living here and experiencing this reality.

You mention the price of the hooker and the fact anyone can see her as if shes my partner or a status symbol? I had an itch to scratch so I scratched it. Not me being desperate for sex, because I had sex the night before. Seeing escorts doesn't make me alpha, being a self-made man with terrible upbringing, living a life way above my peers with financial freedom and superseding my baseline socioeconomic standing, plus being genetically gifted with height, looks and intelligence, plus having confidence and a natural aura of authority, makes me alpha. I don't need anyone online to verify this when I'm constantly reminded IRL of how good I have it. I don't tell my GF because I don't want to hurt her, it would complicate my life and go against the atmosphere of calm compliance I've cultivated in my 33 years.

If you and @Gamisch and whoever the fvck else want to perceive what I do as inferior, that's fine, I'm not doing it for you and my life trajectory remains the same.

You called Justin Bieber an alpha so I can't take your opinions seriously. A child star that looks like a lesbian raised on crackers and cheese who is rich, doesn't make an alpha. Apha is standing for something and not bending or taking the knee to submit to societal or outside pressure. Alpha is going against the grain, because deep down what you say goes, that society and the majority do not rule and are not always right. I may do sketchy ****, but I own it and I'm unapologetic about the way I live. I live boldly and answer to no one and to me that's alpha.

No need to defend or explain yourself bro. We're just discussing how and when a man can be at his best. Obvisouly life is fluid and at the end of the day our goal is to be wiser than we were yesterday. Everybody has his own opinion what a Alpha is. If you feel Alpha then who am I to argue against that?

Personally I've noticed that the need for payed sex messes with my frame, the entire need for too much sex is imo a unhealthy state of mind and a indicator there are deeper issue at play. Again , this is a personal opinion.

Apha is standing for something and not bending or taking the knee to submit to societal or outside pressure. Alpha is going against the grain, because deep down what you say goes, that society and the majority do not rule and are not always right. I may do sketchy ****, but I own it and I'm unapologetic about the way I live. I live boldly and answer to no one and to me that's alpha.

And about Justin Bieber( if you are talking to me regarding that topic). Although he started as a child star, one could argue he devolped into a modern day HVM , Chad,or even Alpha. He can use above quoted as well. He is rich, has a big team of people depending on him, women want him and he has status.Can do whatever he wants whenever he wants it. Same goes for L di Carpio, J Timberlake, prime Hugh Grant ect. In a 1 on 1 fight I would murk( no pun intended) them all, yet they have the money to get me buried alive . If you LOOK like them , other men can argue they are not their favorite role models, but they do tick of all the boxes you've mentioned. Lets be honoust, if your gf has a change to fvck one of these guys she would do so in a heartbeat. Just because the Rock has big muscles doesn't make him more Alpha or less beta then the names I mentioned .

 

[Murk]

No need to defend or explain yourself bro. We're just discussing how and when a man can be at his best. Obvisouly life is fluid and at the end of the day our goal is to be wiser than we were yesterday. Everybody has his own opinion what a Alpha is. If you feel Alpha then who am I to argue against that?

Personally I've noticed that the need for payed sex messes with my frame, the entire need for too much sex is imo a unhealthy state of mind and a indicator there are deeper issue at play. Again , this is a personal opinion.

Apha is standing for something and not bending or taking the knee to submit to societal or outside pressure. Alpha is going against the grain, because deep down what you say goes, that society and the majority do not rule and are not always right. I may do sketchy ****, but I own it and I'm unapologetic about the way I live. I live boldly and answer to no one and to me that's alpha.

And about Justin Bieber( if you are talking to me regarding that topic). Although he started as a child star, one could argue he devolped into a modern day HVM , Chad,or even Alpha. He can use above quoted as well. He is rich, has a big team of people depending on him, women want him and he has status.Can do whatever he wants whenever he wants it. Same goes for L di Carpio, J Timberlake, prime Hugh Grant ect. In a 1 on 1 fight I would murk( no pun intended) them all, yet they have the money to get me buried alive . If you LOOK like them , other men can argue they are not their favorite role models, but they do tick of all the boxes you've mentioned. Lets be honoust, if your gf has a change to fvck one of these guys she would do so in a heartbeat. Just because the Rock has big muscles doesn't make him more Alpha or less beta then the names I mentioned .

No the Justin Beiber comment was aimed at the guy calling him alpha. I'm being defensive, I'm naturally defensive and feel attacked, working on that.

I agree with you and most of your posts here because, you're (in my opinion) a real man that has real-world experience posting here not to get points.

Escorts for me don't de-value men, if they are not dependant on them.

You're right, Hv/Chad/Alpha - it's all subjective - but it's a mindset, it's not an action, therefore, seeing escorts and paying for sex, the act itself, can't be low value or beta without context.

 

[corrector]

Escorts for me don't de-value men, if they are not dependant on them.

But you are @Murk.

 

[Murk]

But you are @Murk.

Honestly, I can take or leave it, I started using escorts in my early 20s as I had no options and lived with my mum. Beta moves.

Then I used them after breakups. Mildy Beta moves.

Then I started a business where instead of earning 10-20% on £20,000 I now earn 100% per deal, so money for sex funny because money doesn't really mean much to me.

The fact I can pay £60 for sex and take my girl out for a £350 dinner at Clos Maggiore and still hate her is bizarre but also grounding, I'm always in control.

 

[SW15]

There are a lot of women in their 40s and 50s that pay directly for sex. There is a contingent of menopausal/post menopausal White women that go to the Caribbean, Mediterranean, and South Pacific to have sex with exotic young male prostitutes.

Female sex tourism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Good catch on 40 and up women possibly "paying" for sex.

Females paying directly for sex doesn't happen until at least age 45. Female sex tourism is still a somewhat uncommon practice. I guarantee that the most attractive 45-64 year old women aren't paying for sex with young men in exotic locales. It's the overweight and frumpy older women who are paying for sex. A 55-60 year old woman in the United States whose children are all grown up and isn't overweight has plenty of demand for her vagina. Those women are having their inboxes flooded on dating websites like Match and OurTime.

 

[corrector]

It's not illegal because I don't use brothels and the women are not coerced, I don't really want to debate this with you when google is at your fingertips, I'm actually living here and experiencing this reality.

You went to an incall, therefore its a bawdy house. If enough people complained, the police could raid such a place and arrest everyone inside. Just because it is not enforced does not mean its not illegal.

I had an itch to scratch so I scratched it. I don't tell my GF because I don't want to hurt her, it would complicate my life and go against the atmosphere of calm compliance I've cultivated in my 33 years.

Did you get tested? How can you hurt her if it's just an "itch" that she can't scratch but only a hooker can?

You mention the price of the hooker and the fact anyone can see her as if shes my partner or a status symbol?

Not really, it's more of a reflection of how gross the whole thing is and it's like a cesspool.

Look at it this way. You are seeing this hooker and have one gf, while she has probably seen thousands of guys and counting. Don't you see that is gross or an imbalance? You go into her room, then too many guys have been in that same room with her before you went in that place and that's gross. People that are into all sorts of strange and weird things. How do you know there isn't some hidden camera recording things going on in there? They could have that for security purposes.

Not me being desperate for sex, because I had sex the night before.

You are desperate to see hookers no matter how you justify it. You may not be desperate for sex in principle, but you are still desperate for the chad-playboy lifestyle which you don't have. That includes rotations with various hot women, picking up women online and on the street, etc.... To just have a gf gets boring with the same person and is not exciting enough.

The beta-picture is that you are not living the true lifestyle you want and are supplementing it by using hookers and really having a gf to enable that behaviour by providing emotional support to living a life of mediocrity so you can say to yourself what you are saying here.

You keep justifying that you are not desperate for sex, but fail to mention the same boring sex with a woman you are tired of but don't want to lose but are concerned about hurting her feelings. That is the beta-move.

 

[Murk]

You went to an incall, therefore its a bawdy house. If enough people complained, the police could raid such a place and arrest everyone inside. Just because it is not enforced does not mean its not illegal.

It was her place, no other girls working there = not a brothel. Legal here in London where I live.

Did you get tested? How can you hurt her if it's just an "itch" that she can't scratch but only a hooker can?

No, but nothing was uncovered, all with a condom, I'm reckless, but not a complete degenerate.

Not really, it's more of a reflection of how gross the whole thing is and it's like a cesspool.

Look at it this way. You are seeing this hooker and have one gf, while she has probably seen thousands of guys and counting. Don't you see that is gross or an imbalance? You go into her room, then too many guys have been in that same room with her before you went in that place and that's gross. People that are into all sorts of strange and weird things. How do you know there isn't some hidden camera recording things going on in there? They could have that for security purposes.

It's gross to you, we have differing views on sex, that's completely fine. It was a transactional means to an end for me.

You are desperate to see hookers no matter how you justify it.

nigga please

You may not be desperate for sex in principle, but you are still desperate for the chad-playboy lifestyle which you don't have. That includes rotations with various hot women, picking up women online and on the street, etc.... To just have a gf gets boring with the same person and is not exciting enough.

The beta-picture is that you are not living the true lifestyle you want and are supplementing it by using hookers and really having a gf to enable that behaviour by providing emotional support to living a life of mediocrity so you can say to yourself what you are saying here.

You keep justifying that you are not desperate for sex, but fail to mention the same boring sex with a woman you are tired of but don't want to lose but are concerned about hurting her feelings. That is the beta-move.

You don't know me, but you don't even know me from the posts and threads I make here and that's evident. I'm not desperate for sex or hookers, I'm addicted to the thrill and the risk. I'm not paying for sex to complete me bro.

Sex with my girl is great, I've not complained once here about that, it's just my need for dopamine (non sex related) is seeping into my everyday (see sexual) life. I've done, and continue to do the shadow work on myself to be self-aware enough to know the reason for my actions.

I don't want an argument with you, you're misjudging me but you don't know me well enough to accurately cast these judgements.

 

[corrector]

I'm addicted to the thrill and the risk.

Okay, you are addicted to some aspect of it, and that aspect completes you. It is still a type of sex (ie variety) your gf can't provide and too much of the same thing, even if it's great, is not enough.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Females paying directly for sex doesn't happen until at least age 45. Female sex tourism is still a somewhat uncommon practice. I guarantee that the most attractive 45-64 year old women aren't paying for sex with young men in exotic locales. It's the overweight and frumpy older women who are paying for sex. A 55-60 year old woman in the United States whose children are all grown up and isn't overweight has plenty of demand for her vagina. Those women are having their inboxes flooded on dating websites like Match and OurTime.

Same clientelle as for male strippers for the most part. There are some slim ladies who make it in those rooms, but a majority are heavier built financially self sufficient ladies.

 

[Bethatsocialguy]

Can a man be alpha in every way (business, human relations, even in his own relationship with his woman) and still be considered an alpha male if he hires an escort for sexual companionship? Generally speaking of a man in any age group.

I've had my phase of paying for escorts in my earlier to mid twenties but I later as I kept doing it I felt kinda bad or sorry for myself afterwards. (Even if the experience was good). After turning 28 I decided it wasn't going to pursue it any longer. It's kinda like porn in a instant gratification type of way.

Has anyone here payed a prostitute for sex? How did you feel afterwards? Do you still do it? Curious what the manosphere thinks about this.

Also, how would one explain a female's mind in doing this type of work? Perhaps its part of her dualistic sexual strategy and a hypergamy on steriods?

If I ever had to pay for sex, I would just know that me as myself cannot attract women to have sex with me which shows a bigger problem with myself. Paying for sex cheapens you as a person, just like watching porn

 

[SW15]

Paying for sex cheapens you as a person, just like watching porn

For some men, the choice is paying directly for sex or going without sex for very long periods of time.

 

[Bethatsocialguy]

For some men, the choice is paying directly for sex or going without sex for very long periods of time.

OR working on yourself and understanding your weaknesses. A lot of guys don't understand that in order to get sex, you need to be a man of quality in some way. Whether that is physically, mentally or with status/money. I believe that any man who knows their weaknesses and knows what to do to improve them will be successful. I know this from my job (life/dating coach)