Do alpha males pay for sex?

[Murk]

But you are @Murk.

Honestly, I can take or leave it, I started using escorts in my early 20s as I had no options and lived with my mum. Beta moves.

Then I used them after breakups. Mildy Beta moves.

Then I started a business where instead of earning 10-20% on £20,000 I now earn 100% per deal, so money for sex funny because money doesn't really mean much to me.

The fact I can pay £60 for sex and take my girl out for a £350 dinner at Clos Maggiore and still hate her is bizarre but also grounding, I'm always in control.

 

[SW15]

There are a lot of women in their 40s and 50s that pay directly for sex. There is a contingent of menopausal/post menopausal White women that go to the Caribbean, Mediterranean, and South Pacific to have sex with exotic young male prostitutes.

Female sex tourism - Wikipedia

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Good catch on 40 and up women possibly "paying" for sex.

Females paying directly for sex doesn't happen until at least age 45. Female sex tourism is still a somewhat uncommon practice. I guarantee that the most attractive 45-64 year old women aren't paying for sex with young men in exotic locales. It's the overweight and frumpy older women who are paying for sex. A 55-60 year old woman in the United States whose children are all grown up and isn't overweight has plenty of demand for her vagina. Those women are having their inboxes flooded on dating websites like Match and OurTime.

 

[corrector]

It's not illegal because I don't use brothels and the women are not coerced, I don't really want to debate this with you when google is at your fingertips, I'm actually living here and experiencing this reality.

You went to an incall, therefore its a bawdy house. If enough people complained, the police could raid such a place and arrest everyone inside. Just because it is not enforced does not mean its not illegal.

I had an itch to scratch so I scratched it. I don't tell my GF because I don't want to hurt her, it would complicate my life and go against the atmosphere of calm compliance I've cultivated in my 33 years.

Did you get tested? How can you hurt her if it's just an "itch" that she can't scratch but only a hooker can?

You mention the price of the hooker and the fact anyone can see her as if shes my partner or a status symbol?

Not really, it's more of a reflection of how gross the whole thing is and it's like a cesspool.

Look at it this way. You are seeing this hooker and have one gf, while she has probably seen thousands of guys and counting. Don't you see that is gross or an imbalance? You go into her room, then too many guys have been in that same room with her before you went in that place and that's gross. People that are into all sorts of strange and weird things. How do you know there isn't some hidden camera recording things going on in there? They could have that for security purposes.

Not me being desperate for sex, because I had sex the night before.

You are desperate to see hookers no matter how you justify it. You may not be desperate for sex in principle, but you are still desperate for the chad-playboy lifestyle which you don't have. That includes rotations with various hot women, picking up women online and on the street, etc.... To just have a gf gets boring with the same person and is not exciting enough.

The beta-picture is that you are not living the true lifestyle you want and are supplementing it by using hookers and really having a gf to enable that behaviour by providing emotional support to living a life of mediocrity so you can say to yourself what you are saying here.

You keep justifying that you are not desperate for sex, but fail to mention the same boring sex with a woman you are tired of but don't want to lose but are concerned about hurting her feelings. That is the beta-move.

 

[Murk]

You went to an incall, therefore its a bawdy house. If enough people complained, the police could raid such a place and arrest everyone inside. Just because it is not enforced does not mean its not illegal.

It was her place, no other girls working there = not a brothel. Legal here in London where I live.

Did you get tested? How can you hurt her if it's just an "itch" that she can't scratch but only a hooker can?

No, but nothing was uncovered, all with a condom, I'm reckless, but not a complete degenerate.

Not really, it's more of a reflection of how gross the whole thing is and it's like a cesspool.

Look at it this way. You are seeing this hooker and have one gf, while she has probably seen thousands of guys and counting. Don't you see that is gross or an imbalance? You go into her room, then too many guys have been in that same room with her before you went in that place and that's gross. People that are into all sorts of strange and weird things. How do you know there isn't some hidden camera recording things going on in there? They could have that for security purposes.

It's gross to you, we have differing views on sex, that's completely fine. It was a transactional means to an end for me.

You are desperate to see hookers no matter how you justify it.

nigga please

You may not be desperate for sex in principle, but you are still desperate for the chad-playboy lifestyle which you don't have. That includes rotations with various hot women, picking up women online and on the street, etc.... To just have a gf gets boring with the same person and is not exciting enough.

The beta-picture is that you are not living the true lifestyle you want and are supplementing it by using hookers and really having a gf to enable that behaviour by providing emotional support to living a life of mediocrity so you can say to yourself what you are saying here.

You keep justifying that you are not desperate for sex, but fail to mention the same boring sex with a woman you are tired of but don't want to lose but are concerned about hurting her feelings. That is the beta-move.

You don't know me, but you don't even know me from the posts and threads I make here and that's evident. I'm not desperate for sex or hookers, I'm addicted to the thrill and the risk. I'm not paying for sex to complete me bro.

Sex with my girl is great, I've not complained once here about that, it's just my need for dopamine (non sex related) is seeping into my everyday (see sexual) life. I've done, and continue to do the shadow work on myself to be self-aware enough to know the reason for my actions.

I don't want an argument with you, you're misjudging me but you don't know me well enough to accurately cast these judgements.

 

[corrector]

I'm addicted to the thrill and the risk.

Okay, you are addicted to some aspect of it, and that aspect completes you. It is still a type of sex (ie variety) your gf can't provide and too much of the same thing, even if it's great, is not enough.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Females paying directly for sex doesn't happen until at least age 45. Female sex tourism is still a somewhat uncommon practice. I guarantee that the most attractive 45-64 year old women aren't paying for sex with young men in exotic locales. It's the overweight and frumpy older women who are paying for sex. A 55-60 year old woman in the United States whose children are all grown up and isn't overweight has plenty of demand for her vagina. Those women are having their inboxes flooded on dating websites like Match and OurTime.

Same clientelle as for male strippers for the most part. There are some slim ladies who make it in those rooms, but a majority are heavier built financially self sufficient ladies.

 

[Bethatsocialguy]

Can a man be alpha in every way (business, human relations, even in his own relationship with his woman) and still be considered an alpha male if he hires an escort for sexual companionship? Generally speaking of a man in any age group.

I've had my phase of paying for escorts in my earlier to mid twenties but I later as I kept doing it I felt kinda bad or sorry for myself afterwards. (Even if the experience was good). After turning 28 I decided it wasn't going to pursue it any longer. It's kinda like porn in a instant gratification type of way.

Has anyone here payed a prostitute for sex? How did you feel afterwards? Do you still do it? Curious what the manosphere thinks about this.

Also, how would one explain a female's mind in doing this type of work? Perhaps its part of her dualistic sexual strategy and a hypergamy on steriods?

If I ever had to pay for sex, I would just know that me as myself cannot attract women to have sex with me which shows a bigger problem with myself. Paying for sex cheapens you as a person, just like watching porn

 

[SW15]

Paying for sex cheapens you as a person, just like watching porn

For some men, the choice is paying directly for sex or going without sex for very long periods of time.

 

[Bethatsocialguy]

For some men, the choice is paying directly for sex or going without sex for very long periods of time.

OR working on yourself and understanding your weaknesses. A lot of guys don't understand that in order to get sex, you need to be a man of quality in some way. Whether that is physically, mentally or with status/money. I believe that any man who knows their weaknesses and knows what to do to improve them will be successful. I know this from my job (life/dating coach)

 

[RBK]

We all pay for it one way or another.

 

[corrector]

OR working on yourself and understanding your weaknesses. A lot of guys don't understand that in order to get sex, you need to be a man of quality in some way. Whether that is physically, mentally or with status/money. I believe that any man who knows their weaknesses and knows what to do to improve them will be successful. I know this from my job (life/dating coach)

...and you are going without sex or paying directly for it in the meantime while you are waiting 10 years to self-improve.

 

[ezio6]

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...and you are going without sex or paying directly for it in the meantime while you are waiting 10 years to self-improve.

Savage

 

[HaleyBaron]

In my opinion paying for sex is for losers only when it comes from a position of weakness...a decent smv guy that wants a quickie before going to back to his precision tasks is hardly a loser in my opinion unlike the guy in the first example.

Decent smv guys getting quickies is a moment of weakness. I'm not hating on escort paying, but I'm not going to give it any leverage in the game of hunting.

 

[SW15]

We all pay for it one way or another.

I've observed men getting divorced in my social sphere over the years. Some of these men had unpleasant financial settlements in their divorces. Multiple times, I made the observation....

"This is the bill coming due for past vaginal access"

If you think about it, financial settlements in divorces are nothing but payments for previous vaginal access.

Yes, all men pay for sex either directly or indirectly. There's not much of a difference between paying directly or paying eventually when the divorce happens.

 

[HaleyBaron]

For some men, the choice is paying directly for sex or going without sex for very long periods of time.

The only people I give a pass in paying for sex are the truly unfortunate ugly men or disabled men of this world. I still remember that documentary of the disabled guy who went to a sex parlor to get himself some while the pretty hooker wheeled him into the room.

 

[SW15]

The only people I give a pass in paying for sex are the truly unfortunate ugly men or disabled men of this world. I still remember that documentary of the disabled guy who went to a sex parlor to get himself some while the pretty hooker wheeled him into the room.

Why only those men? I never saw that documentary.

I think about some of the divorced men I know. If you think about the amount of their divorce settlements, the money they spent on their girlfriends/wives over the course of that relationship to maintain it to keep sex flow going, and the sex frequency during the duration of the relationship, they weren't saving much money as compared to paying for the sex directly. And, they had to deal with the downsides of relationships such as the female created drama, etc.

Paying for sex directly is neither alpha nor beta.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The only way I’d consider paying is for a BJ. I’ve had a couple of escort BJs & they were great. However, I’m not a big BJ fan, so it’s not likely.

 

[corrector]

The only people I give a pass in paying for sex are the truly unfortunate ugly men or disabled men of this world. I still remember that documentary of the disabled guy who went to a sex parlor to get himself some while the pretty hooker wheeled him into the room.

Why would you give a pass? I've seen disabled men with hot gfs. Chads can be disabled too but they have the right face and body and being on a wheelchair for them doesn't mean anything. Ugly guys get allot of pity action probably more than average looking guys. Take your ugly guy, stick him in south east Asia or a Latin American country and problem solved.

 

[2Rocky]

I've worked some remote places with limited time back in civilization where "professional services" would be a worthwhile use of time and money.
For the married man who craves some variety, a legal brothel is probably a saving grace. Blowing 1500 with a bookie or a hookie...which one is gonna make you smile?

 

[corrector]

I read a review where a client claimed a particular escort made him feel like an alpha-male rather than a client. That reminded me of this thread. Guess they are paid to make you feel like an alpha-male if the service is good. The idea of telling a stranger what to do in order to get you off, even if you are paying for it, is still hot. As long as it doesn't feel she's doing it in a heavy, obligatory way because you paid for it, now she has to deliver (ie which would sound like poor service anyway), then she could bring out the alpha-male.