Do alpha males pay for sex?

[rjc149]

Men pay for sex in every instance of sex. They either pay directly or indirectly. We're evaluating how direct a man is with his payment for sex.

You're correct that this forum needs to be pickup and seduction focused. Social skills and indirect payment seductions of women are difficult skills to gain. A guy who pays directly has a high cost per bang. It's always going to be high. Guys who pay indirectly are more likely to achieve a lower cost per bang if they can get a good grasp on social skills and charisma.

It could be argued that the underlying motivation for nearly everything single men do is to have the most mating opportunities. The job I do, the clothing I wear, the car I drive, the time I spend in the gym, the clean food I buy at the supermarket, the money I spend at bars on weekends, is to making myself as attractive as possible to women and to give myself the highest likelihood of mating with an attractive woman.

$30-40 on bad dates adds up, yes -- but I easily spend 3x that with my boys out at bars and restaurants on weekends. It falls under my entertainment spending. I'm a bachelor with no kids, so I don't have high life overhead. I can splurge a bit more on myself. If I'm going on 1 date per week, and some of those dates go nowhere, it's not a big deal.

I never did Tinder. I was big on OKCupid. I had a lot of good photos, including a shirtless photo I took after lifting where I looked swole. Yeah, that probably immediately disqualified me with a lot of women. But women who agreed to meet me had pretty high interest level. I'd say 3 out of 4 dates resulted in some form of sexual activity, often that night. I was getting pretty consistent with OKC.

The dates that sucked, I don't know. Maybe my game was off, she wasn't feeling me, whatever. You're not going to bang every woman on earth. Yes, that was money down the drain but it's part of dating, you pay to play, and never something I took careful measures to avoid. Spending money on a hooker is a bigger waste of money.

 

[bat soup]

In Vietnam for 10$ you can get a hot young woman to suck your **** without a condom.

But obviously, when I was there I wanted to prove that I was a man so I went around buying random broads dinner.

 

[SW15]

It could be argued that the underlying motivation for nearly everything single men do is to have the most mating opportunities. The job I do, the clothing I wear, the car I drive, the time I spend in the gym, the clean food I buy at the supermarket, the money I spend at bars on weekends, is to making myself as attractive as possible to women and to give myself the highest likelihood of mating with an attractive woman.

I would make that argument.

$30-40 on bad dates adds up, yes -- but I easily spend 3x that with my boys out at bars and restaurants on weekends. It falls under my entertainment spending. I'm a bachelor with no kids, so I don't have high life overhead. I can splurge a bit more on myself. If I'm going on 1 date per week, and some of those dates go nowhere, it's not a big deal.

This financial analysis depends on how active your social life is and how many failed dates per week that you have.

There are some men out there that can put up an average of 2 failed dates per week from swipe apps. These are guys in the 6-7 range.

I never did Tinder. I was big on OKCupid. I had a lot of good photos, including a shirtless photo I took after lifting where I looked swole. Yeah, that probably immediately disqualified me with a lot of women. But women who agreed to meet me had pretty high interest level. I'd say 3 out of 4 dates resulted in some form of sexual activity, often that night. I was getting pretty consistent with OKC.

The dates that sucked, I don't know. Maybe my game was off, she wasn't feeling me, whatever. You're not going to bang every woman on earth. Yes, that was money down the drain but it's part of dating, you pay to play, and never something I took careful measures to avoid. Spending money on a hooker is a bigger waste of money.

Directly paying for sex vs. failed dates. If you directly pay for sex, you get something. With failed dates, you get nothing.

Shirtless pics on OKCupid looking swole was a great strategy 10 years ago. Yes, you were disqualified by some uptight women but the women who showed up on dates were more willing to bang.

As for your dates that sucked, those dates likely would have been bad cold approaches in the real world that didn't result in a number exchange or date, saving you money.

 

[rjc149]

Directly paying for sex vs. failed dates. If you directly pay for sex, you get something. With failed dates, you get nothing.

This I have to disagree with. With failed dates, you gain experience, knowledge, improved skill sets with women. Especially with OLD, there’s usually a low likelihood that she doesn’t think you’re good looking enough. She saw your pics, and gave you a shot. So a failed date is usually some hole in your game. You can now plug the hole.

With a hooker, you bust a nut. You learn nothing, and gain nothing for posterity. You pay a woman to masturbate with her vagina. Something you can do for free, on your own, without feeling sleazy. Post-nut clarity, I have to imagine, is worse after banging a hooker.

 

[SW15]

With failed dates, you gain experience, knowledge, improved skill sets with women. Especially with OLD, there’s usually a low likelihood that she doesn’t think you’re good looking enough. She saw your pics, and gave you a shot. So a failed date is usually some hole in your game. You can now plug the hole.

Wrong. Many men search for a long time and can't figure out what holes exist. These are not dumb men either. In fact, it is often more intelligent men that have bigger struggles in dating than less intelligent men. Most of the time after a failed date, you get zero feedback from the woman. If you got feedback as to why the flake job happened, it's usually not the whole truth and not usable. I don't believe in the notion that failed dates automatically help you plug holes. I think it is too idealistic of an analysis. With websites/swipe apps, the only thing they can do is lighten your wallet and teach you that the channel is a bad channel for accomplishing things in dating.

With a hooker, you bust a nut. You learn nothing, and gain nothing for posterity. You pay a woman to masturbate with her vagina. Something you can do for free, on your own, without feeling sleazy. Post-nut clarity, I have to imagine, is worse after banging a hooker.

Your body has different chemical reactions in sex vs. mbating.

 

[rjc149]

Wrong. Many men search for a long time and can't figure out what holes exist. These are not dumb men either. In fact, it is often more intelligent men that have bigger struggles in dating than less intelligent men. Most of the time after a failed date, you get zero feedback from the woman. If you got feedback as to why the flake job happened, it's usually not the whole truth and not usable. I don't believe in the notion that failed dates automatically help you plug holes. I think it is too idealistic of an analysis. With websites/swipe apps, the only thing they can do is lighten your wallet and teach you that the channel is a bad channel for accomplishing things in dating.



Your body has different chemical reactions in sex vs. mbating.

It’s not about intelligence levels. It’s about social calibration, and in order to do that, you need to be in social situations. With failed dates, you are getting experience and feedback. Not explicit feedback from the girl, but results, or lack thereof. Sometimes you just don’t connect with a girl, but I’ve done a lot of post-date analysis, figured out where I went wrong, and made corrections that served me well on future dates. Every failure is a lesson. Every man, regardless of his intelligence, is capable of pattern recognition given enough data points. A failed date is a data point.

Part of the chemical reaction you experience during sex is the release of oxytocin, and much of that has to do with the emotional bonding you form with a sex partner. When having sex with a hooker, there is no emotional bond formed. Banging a hooker is not having sex. It’s glorified masturbation. There is no emotional validation, bonding with another human, enhanced confidence with the feeling of accomplishment that comes with a woman wanting you as a result of paying a hooker to allow penisary access to her holes.

 

[corrector]

It’s not about intelligence levels. It’s about social calibration, and in order to do that, you need to be in social situations. With failed dates, you are getting experience and feedback. Not explicit feedback from the girl, but results, or lack thereof. Sometimes you just don’t connect with a girl, but I’ve done a lot of post-date analysis, figured out where I went wrong, and made corrections that served me well on future dates. Every failure is a lesson. Every man, regardless of his intelligence, is capable of pattern recognition given enough data points. A failed date is a data point.

Part of the chemical reaction you experience during sex is the release of oxytocin, and much of that has to do with the emotional bonding you form with a sex partner. When having sex with a hooker, there is no emotional bond formed. Banging a hooker is not having sex. It’s glorified masturbation. There is no emotional validation, bonding with another human, enhanced confidence with the feeling of accomplishment that comes with a woman wanting you as a result of paying a hooker to allow penisary access to her holes.

I don't get why failed dates are being compared with hookers. People might visit a hooker AFTER a failed date. You gained the experience from the failed date and you busted a nut afterwards. In fact you are more likely to be in a frame of mind to visit a hooker because you just had a social interaction with a lady that didn't go anywhere and are primed for something. (I don't visit hookers or go on failed dates).

 

[ZosoWicca]

Banging a hooker is not having sex. It’s glorified masturbation.

I feel the same if it's a hooker or a hoe from the bar at 4am. The same b!tch whose sole purpose for me is to be used as holes.
For self validation I would seduce women at another moment although.

 

[corrector]

I feel the same if it's a hooker or a hoe from the bar at 4am. The same b!tch whose sole purpose for me is to be used as holes.
For self validation I would seduce women at another moment although.

So you don't talk to the hooker and say "you are enjoying this aren't you b1tch?" or make any comments like that or try any role-playing service, etc...? I can't get turned-on with just holes. You can buy sex-toys for that. I can get turned on with the fact she is a woman and I can talk with someone who is nude. Grope a nude stranger without having the police called. I can practice Spanish with a nude Spanish escort since you won't find a Spanish language tutor who will strip if you get the answers right, right? There can be a productive use of time with an XXX-twist. Or find an escort versed in dancing who could be a dance instructor who will teach you to dance nude, etc....
Again, this is theoretical, I think if I actually visit escorts I will be fighting against the primal urges to try and make a session productive so I can learn languages, or do something else that's constructive.

 

[ZosoWicca]

So you don't talk to the hooker and say "you are enjoying this aren't you b1tch?" or make any comments like that or try any role-playing service, etc...? I can't get turned-on with just holes. You can buy sex-toys for that. I can get turned on with the fact she is a woman and I can talk with someone who is nude. Grope a nude stranger without having the police called. I can practice Spanish with a nude Spanish escort since you won't find a Spanish language tutor who will strip if you get the answers right, right? There can be a productive use of time with an XXX-twist. Or find an escort versed in dancing who could be a dance instructor who will teach you to dance nude, etc....
Again, this is theoretical, I think if I actually visit escorts I will be fighting against the primal urges to try and make a session productive so I can learn languages, or do something else that's constructive.

It not as you say. A man can have sex with his girlfriend being drunk, i.E. Sometimes your girlfriend just let you to possess her.
Of course, sometimes as well the girl is apathic and this is a turn-off. But it happens as well with a SNL, a girlfriend or even a wife. So it is not a cause-effect issue. It just can happen or not.

What if you are a rock star and the girl just fuked you to have the experience with such a boy?? She just let herself being possessed, as a girl that wants get pregnant, as a girl that wants to lock you down, as a girl that is impressed just by your money, as a h00ker that just wants money right there, etc...

 

[corrector]

It not as you say. A man can have sex with his girlfriend being drunk, i.E. Sometimes your girlfriend just let you to possess her.
Of course, sometimes as well the girl is apathic and this is a turn-off. But it happens as well with a SNL, a girlfriend or even a wife. So it is not a cause-effect issue. It just can happen or not.

What if you are a rock star and the girl just fuked you to have the experience with such a boy?? She just let herself being possessed, as a girl that wants get pregnant, as a girl that wants to lock you down, as a girl that is impressed just by your money, as a h00ker that just wants money right there, etc...

Agreed, but what post are you replying to? What did I say?

 

[DolyCool]

When an alpha man buys bread, he pays for it because it was someone's work to produce it.

 

[SW15]

I never did Tinder. I was big on OKCupid. I had a lot of good photos, including a shirtless photo I took after lifting where I looked swole. Yeah, that probably immediately disqualified me with a lot of women. But women who agreed to meet me had pretty high interest level. I'd say 3 out of 4 dates resulted in some form of sexual activity, often that night. I was getting pretty consistent with OKC.

The dates that sucked, I don't know. Maybe my game was off, she wasn't feeling me, whatever. You're not going to bang every woman on earth. Yes, that was money down the drain but it's part of dating, you pay to play, and never something I took careful measures to avoid. Spending money on a hooker is a bigger waste of money.

Your results on OkCupid (I'm guessing this was between 2008-2014 or so) were pretty solid given what OKC was like in the 2008-2014 era. OkCupid was a bit of a shiit show then.

Men pay for sex in every instance of sex. They either pay directly or indirectly. We're evaluating how direct a man is with his payment for sex.

Can a man be alpha in every way (business, human relations, even in his own relationship with his woman) and still be considered an alpha male if he hires an escort for sexual companionship? Generally speaking of a man in any age group.

The act of paying directly for sex is neither alpha nor beta in itself. There are too many other variables involved.

 

[Smok1nAce]

The mental gymnastics here.

I got one, do alpha males drink alcohol or is it only for betas who need an escape from life’s challenge

can we kill the “alpha” male vocabulary already. We (men) aren’t animals like dogs or lions.

I would say the vast majority of men paying for sex comes down to convince.Do you spend weeks at the club improving game and yourself or do you just spend half your paycheck on a dime piece.

I think a lot of you are to immature for this conversation but when your paying for sex you paying for a warm body and a hole to bust your nut. Has nothing to do with gaming a women. Intellectual and intelligent women and men understand this.

 

[Borknagar]

Paying for sex is terrible for a man's inner-Game. Men who pay for sex, in the eyes of women, are repulsive.

Women can't comprehend why someone would pay for sex (women have so much abundance that sex is just like turning on a tap for them). So if a woman has ever discovered you have paid for sex then her image of you is shattered forever.

Alpha's, at least in my definition, definitely don't pay for sex.

Technically though. We've all mostly indirectly paid for it.

 

[SW15]

Technically though. We've all mostly indirectly paid for it.

Every man pays for sex whether indirectly or directly.

Women can't comprehend why someone would pay for sex (women have so much abundance that sex is just like turning on a tap for them).

Until about ages 45-50, this is correct. There are a lot of women in their 40s and 50s that pay directly for sex. There is a contingent of menopausal/post menopausal White women that go to the Caribbean, Mediterranean, and South Pacific to have sex with exotic young male prostitutes.

Female sex tourism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Fruitbat]

I know a guy whose father did just that and who went on to do incredibly well with women - Russel Brand. He writes about it in his book.

Russell Brand is the biggest waste of space ever and gets his women 90% from his looks. He has nothing in the way of charisma and only got famous because he’s left wing and the media promoted him.

I think he’s the most annoying, insufferable tw@t of all time. Most the women who like him are brain dead, stupid cvnts.

I’m not sure what the big deal is with Katy Perry either. She’s about the plainest woman I’ve seen.

 

[Fruitbat]

Have you seen Brand's d1ck pic? Dude is packing a tictac

Brand's game, aside looks and social proofing, is that he is a verbal magician in the eyes of women. He's known to be infectiously charming. I'd say this is what annoys you - what comes across as gross, sleazy, rat behavior comes across as charming to women. And you're right to find him annoying - he's a classic dark triad fox in the henhouse type. There are pics of him on google where he is hugging Yuval Hariri (a know globalist extreme eugenicists). This is concerning 2-faced behavior from Brand, suggesting his entire persona is manipulated and manufactured.

He’s a verbal magician when he’s having articles ghost written.

When he’s unprepared in a debate, he just inserts the longest words he can, almost at random. “Paradigm” is one of his favourites.

Lots of men who are known to be attractive I respect. Who didn’t enjoy Johnny Depps dry wit?

RB is a fraud, anyone with a brain can see he’s not actually that bright, but he makes it flowery enough to pull in thick people.

 

[Fruitbat]

I'm not a fan of Brand, but I have noticed his effect on a broad array women and it's quite powerful and can't be denied. His body language, touching and verbal style is very full on, but it works. Annoyingly. It's like a sleazy Charm Assault that constantly pushes boundaries. Like you say, he's a fraud. Manufactured his image and there's not much authenticity there.

I think it’s 99% looks with brand. If he was a little short bald guy women would think he’s a creepy twerp.

 

[bat soup]

He’s a verbal magician when he’s having articles ghost written.

When he’s unprepared in a debate, he just inserts the longest words he can, almost at random. “Paradigm” is one of his favourites.

Lots of men who are known to be attractive I respect. Who didn’t enjoy Johnny Depps dry wit?

RB is a fraud, anyone with a brain can see he’s not actually that bright, but he makes it flowery enough to pull in thick people.

I agree that he talks a bunch of BS, but women seem to like it. Let's face it, most of them aren't that bright themselves.