Do alpha males pay for sex?

[bat soup]

Only in the context of male dominance hierarchies, and resource acquisition hierarchies. Not in intersexual dynamics. What if that king/sultan/dictator/president went into a bar disquised, and tried to get a female through seduction, but another guy came in and seduced her instead?

Why would they want to do that? The alpha male isn't going to disguise itself as something less. The king isn't thinking to himself "if I wasn't the ruler of this Kingdom and rich beyond any common man's dreams, would I be a good pickup artist?".

 

[DonJuanjr]

Why would they want to do that? The alpha male isn't going to disguise itself as something less. The king isn't thinking to himself "if I wasn't the ruler of this Kingdom and rich beyond any common man's dreams, would I be a good pickup artist?".

Doesn't matter if it occurs to him. What matters is if he's able to pull it off under those circumstances. If not, then how is he the alpha in that context?

 

[SargeMaximus]

For good example of a political alpha look at Putin or Fidel Castro. Pretty sure they don’t pay for women. Power is enough when you are at that level

 

[Zimbabwe]

Only simps pay for transactional sex.

Why bother wasting your time and sexual energy on a woman who doesn't have high interest and genuine sexual desire for
you.....

Very bad for thine mojo.

Escorts are like the fast food of sex

 

[behimo]

no woman is just going to come to you and say take me, if they do ulterior motives or broken.
do what you want but be confident in your 'game'.
your game doesn't have to mirror someone else's.
don't get caught up in what looks alpha to others or yourself.
be aware of yourself and go for what you want.

 

[rjc149]

Taking care of the bill during the seduction process to show that you take care of your woman, or purchasing status symbols in order to attract females, is not in any way the same as hiring a woman to touch your penis.

This is one of the more annoying analogies people draw to justify banging hookers. Not that’s unjustified to bang hookers. Do it if you want. Just stop pretending it’s somehow only one degree of separation from actually attracting and seducing real women.

 

[Lover_boy]

All of your responses are very valid. As per @bat soup I agree that most rich men dont want to waste precious time on getting to know a woman. Therefore hire an escort and have a sexual release with her. However, this doesn't defeat the fact that you were unable in seducing her (or any other woman) and have her genuinely want to fvck you. Can she get turned on during the intercourse, sure. But 9 times out of 10 she's just doing it as job with 0 sexual desire towards you. I guess if you're ok with just using her for a release then, sure go on ahead.

I also agree with @metalwater almost every intimate encounter now a days with women is transactional at first. I believe its like using a female's natural hypergamy to your advantage. Sure, as the man, you make the invitation and it is expected for you to pay. But it is not the same as just paying some hooker to **** you.

I think that if you solely rely on prostitutes for sexual intimacy, it can be kind of damaging to your inner game. Maybe if you're a rich out of shape 50 year old (no offense to anyone who is) your only tool in obtaining women might just be with your money, and why not get it as quickly as possible by just fvcking escorts... If you're ok with these women faking the grand majority of the experience.

 

[Lover_boy]

Also, lets not ignore the fact that some prostitutes sell you on the GFE (girlfriend experience) so if you're paying for that then, now its not just about a release, its deeper than that.

That's a tough scenario to point out a true alpha male in this type of situation.

A woman's perspective in this would be interesting.

 

[The Duke]

If I had a son, I'd buy him a hooker at age 18 to help him understand pu$$y isn't anything special. I'd let him know that there will be women that come into his life that shouldn't be treated any different. One nite stands, girls you really aren't that into, hookers, etc.....it's about releasing sexual tension and enjoying the moment.

 

[The Duke]

Also, lets not ignore the fact that some prostitutes sell you on the GFE (girlfriend experience) so if you're paying for that then, now its not just about a release, its deeper than that.

That's a tough scenario to point out a true alpha male in this type of situation.

A woman's perspective in this would be interesting.

Please explain your definition of a GFE?

 

[bat soup]

Doesn't matter if it occurs to him. What matters is if he's able to pull it off under those circumstances. If not, then how is he the alpha in that context?

That's like saying "if you were Ethiopian and didn't have any teeth, would you still eat English breakfast every morning?". Aha! Now I've proven that you're not a real English breakfast eater.

What matters with power is who has the power now. Not who might succeed in speculative circumstances that don't exist. Who is the biggest monkey that gets the first choice of the bananas? Who will come and rip your head off if you dare to get in their way? That's the alpha male in human society. Not your local pickup artist. Those are two different things. At the drop of a hat, the pickup artist could get driven out to the desert and left there.

 

[bat soup]

If I had a son, I'd buy him a hooker at age 18 to help him understand pu$$y isn't anything special. I'd let him know that there will be women that come into his life that shouldn't be treated any different. One nite stands, girls you really aren't that into, hookers, etc.....it's about releasing sexual tension and enjoying the moment.

I know a guy whose father did just that and who went on to do incredibly well with women - Russel Brand. He writes about it in his book.

 

[DonJuanjr]

That's like saying "if you were Ethiopian and didn't have any teeth, would you still eat English breakfast every morning?". Aha! Now I've proven that you're not a real English breakfast eater.

What matters with power is who has the power now. Not who might succeed in speculative circumstances that don't exist. Who is the biggest monkey that gets the first choice of the bananas? Who will come and rip your head off if you dare to get in their way? That's the alpha male in human society. Not your local pickup artist. Those are two different things. At the drop of a hat, the pickup artist could get driven out to the desert and left there.

Power is what you're discussing. I'm saying that alpha is contextual. I don't get why this is hard for people to understand.

Thefinalline already explained it, but I'll reiterate it. Alpha is a broad term. The context of what is being talked about defines it. Alpha male in the context of getting women would be an alpha male with respect to intersexual dynamics. This could be a skinny guy that gets beat up by other dudes. It could be a poor guy. They are alpha because they access female biology regardless of other factors that would be considered alpha under different context. A ufc fighter is an alpha male within the context of male dominance hierarchies. He's top dog by being able to choke other men out. But said fighter may still be clueless with females. Jeff bezos is an alpha male within the context of resource acquisition hierarchies, but obviously he's beta with females, and is a feeble man. Get all three in a room, and each one is alpha depending on what you are talking about.

I guess Conan the Barbarian would be considered an Alpha Optimus? An alpha in all contexts.

 

[bat soup]

Power is what you're discussing. I'm saying that alpha is contextual. I don't get why this is hard for people to understand.

If you don't have power, then you're not the alpha male. Alpha literally means number 1. You're the one that doesn't understand what alpha means.

But I know what you really mean. You mean "alpha" in the limited sense of pickup lingo, where it is used to mean something like "knowing how to dominate and control women." So the real title of this thread should be "Do men that know how to dominate and control women ever pay for sex?"

And my answer to that would be: yes, because one way to dominate and control a woman is to pay her to do a specific job. You do the job, you get paid. You don't, you get nothing. Rather than going on "dates" where you give away your money to women and then later, after they've gulped down enough free food and free drink at your expense and told you about all their financial problems (hint hint), they decide whether or not they feel like giving you something in return.

 

[bat soup]

All of your responses are very valid. As per @bat soup I agree that most rich men dont want to waste precious time on getting to know a woman. Therefore hire an escort and have a sexual release with her. However, this doesn't defeat the fact that you were unable in seducing her (or any other woman) and have her genuinely want to fvck you. Can she get turned on during the intercourse, sure. But 9 times out of 10 she's just doing it as job with 0 sexual desire towards you. I guess if you're ok with just using her for a release then, sure go on ahead.

I also agree with @metalwater almost every intimate encounter now a days with women is transactional at first. I believe its like using a female's natural hypergamy to your advantage. Sure, as the man, you make the invitation and it is expected for you to pay. But it is not the same as just paying some hooker to **** you.

I think that if you solely rely on prostitutes for sexual intimacy, it can be kind of damaging to your inner game. Maybe if you're a rich out of shape 50 year old (no offense to anyone who is) your only tool in obtaining women might just be with your money, and why not get it as quickly as possible by just fvcking escorts... If you're ok with these women faking the grand majority of the experience.

If a guy hires a hooker, his objective isn't to satisfy her. She's doing a job - her satisfaction is getting paid and spending the money on gucci bags and sunglasses.

In any case, paying someone to do something doesn't mean that you couldn't do it yourself. If I pay someone to wash my car or mow my lawn, that doesn't mean that I am incapable of doing these things, just that I've got better things to do with my time.

Even if you can go to a bar on any given night and pull a girl back to your place, you still spent an evening of your time plus transport, cover fee and drinks, and then you might have a hard time getting rid of the girl afterwards. Not everyone wants to deal with all of that.

 

[Grounded eagle]

Alpha males do what they want.

 

[rjc149]

Maybe if you're a rich out of shape 50 year old (no offense to anyone who is)

A man has 2 valid reasons for being out of shape. He’s suffered from a physical injury or illness that prevents basic locomotion, or he’s in very advanced old age.

Everything else is an excuse for lack of discipline.

 

[GT40]

Alphas don’t pay for sex. Period.

 

[bat soup]

He was also a drug addict around the same time. Heroin to be exact.

He did "exceptionally well" with groupies and bar girls mainly. Status from being a comedian and presenter.

Didn't he marry and divorce Katy Perry.

Guy's an insufferable bore now, went from a champion of the poor ( a socialist ) to an addiction guru.

He was funny and quick witted back in the day. Many americans disagree that you use your mouth for seduction yet they believe you can talk yourself out of getting laid.

Yeah, he was a drug addict, a sex addict and an alcoholic. I read his book - it was actually quite interesting in the sense that he openly describes doing the kind of things most people would keep private.

Now he's changed completely, he's married and lives a very family-orientated life.

 

[bat soup]

Alphas don’t pay for sex. Period.

How would you know? Did you put a webcam on their dik?