Do alpha males pay for sex?

[Pandora]

It's worth paying NOT to have to get to know most women.

Okay this is a good point.

 

[corrector]

I think that is bad seen just for guys that are insecure about their atractiveness.

As you can see, these guys don't even know what kind of men go to pros. Albeit many weirdos go to pros, most of customers are married men, men with girlfriends...
I have paid for sex. They are sl00ts, cheap women. The maximun I can give them is some cheap bills. I have done it even when I had girlfriends just to taste different p00ssies through the week. It is just cheap sex.

What I do not feel any remorse? Because we ALWAYS pay, or give something in ex change.
What do I prefer? Call a random girls from Tinder, feed their egos a pair of hours, then bring them to a hotel or to my place and then to fake that I really care about them after the sex? If you value these sl00ts more than your time, then go for them, entertain them and think you are the alpha in the mind of a girl that is worth nothing. Who cares about what a sl00t can think about you?
For me a girl that is not MARRIAGE material can fuk off.

As I said before, I used to go to pros even having girlfriends that got deep passionated/in love with me. So, this argument that if you go to pros is because you can not atract a girl is BS. Just ugly guys could feel like that. I feel sorry for guys that treat fast food as a fancy food and feel alpha for that.

That sounds pagan dude.

 

[ubercat]

Really downing that red pill kool-aid.

No KOOL aid. The OP asked about alphas. Not most men. Any Brit here can vouch for members of the House of lords being an ongoing joke in the 80s and 90s for the number of times they were caught tied up in granny panties getting spanked by mistress X

 

[Grounded eagle]

I paid for an escort in two occasions on December 4 & December 5, 2014. I didn't have penetrative sex with either prostitute but was sexual in some way with both of them (as is obvious because their clothes were off). I also visited an Asian escort but left the incall location because left the location and visited another one across town.

The experience after the first escort was great. I booked another escort the day afterwards. Second escort was great too but got too sexual with her than I planned and released on that session. I lost the rest of the month to a nasty demonic anxiety/panic attack, insomnia, and thought I was going to die or completely lose my on different occasions within that month.

Fast forward to 2021. I have paid OnlyFans subscriptions to some escorts. Didn't really connect with anyone, but this one escort, who is a mixed-race escort (like I'm mixed-race), I really liked her page. I paid $ 5.00 for a joi video session and saw her nude and speak over the video. I didn't feel any after effects and feel really good about it. She has loads of pictures, both hardcore/softcore and she has basically made my month as far as looking for a good online escort.

There is also another OF escort I was thinking about who is sending out personal videos, but she doesn't allow blacks to visit her on her ad so I'm not too sure I want to support her OF page, even though an online OF experience may be different from an actual in-person experience. I'm still tempted through since you don't have to show your face, and are totally anonymous (unless you want to show yourself) when dealing with online escortcelling.

Other online escorts have been weak. I subscribed to this one black escort, and she posted nude pics of herself. Then I found out she was married and her husband died. That killed the spirit since now I felt I commit adultery by looking at her pic without knowing she was married, and I don't like looking at women who are married. There is this other Filipina online escort I subscribed to there is not much chemistry so I don't think I'll extend either subscriptions (which I got on a discount). Honestly, if it wasn't for that mix-raced escort I probably would have given up on OnlyFans for online escortcelling. (I might give it up anyway because its against my religion and I just need to repent and stop this)

12 years here and you’ve learned nothing.

 

[typical]

You pay for sex one way or another. It will cost you time or money or both.

Doesn't matter if its some woman you met at the park or pub or a hired professional, you pay no matter what. As long as what you're "paying" isn't detrimental to your life and your goals do what you want who gives a FU(K what anyone else thinks.

 

[ZosoWicca]

You pay for sex one way or another. It will cost you time or money or both.

Doesn't matter if its some woman you met at the park or pub or a hired professional, you pay no matter what. As long as what you're "paying" isn't detrimental to your life and your goals do what you want who gives a FU(K what anyone else thinks.

Mic drop.

 

[rjc149]

Women are primarily attracted to status. Not money in and of itself. Yes there are gold-diggers. But the reason why a woman is attracted to a wealthy man is because that man has high status in society. Wealthy men exude confidence. When you have/make a lot of money, you tend to not give a fvck about people's opinions of you. You can lead your own life, do what you want. Social consequences for wealthy men are much lower, and they live their lives with that knowledge. That is what women find attractive about wealthy men.

As I've often said on this forum, a first date with a woman should never involve expensive wine 'n dine venues. It should be at a casual bar or lounge where costs can be moderated and it's clear that you're not trying to impress anyone. Don't take her to a dive. Just an unpretentious, nicer upscale bar, pub, or lounge. If the date goes well and it's clear that she's attracted to you, then you can take her with you to eat somewhere. If the date is not going well and she ejects after 2 rounds of drinks, you're out $35-40 tops. Big deal.

There's a lot of post-feminist b!tching and moaning about paying the date tab on this forum, that women should pay half etc etc. THE MAN PAYS. He's not paying because he wants poon from her. He's not paying to impress her and simp. Doing either is a huge turn-off to women. He's paying because he's the man, and the man leads, the man takes care of people under this charge, the man is responsible. He takes care of his lady. Because he demonstrates that he is a masculine alpha man who protects, provides, and takes care of people, the lady is attracted to him. NOT because she wants his money.

Hence, taking care of a woman on a date, which she agreed to attend because she is romantically/sexually interested in the man, is NOT THE SAME as a man hiring a professional skank to touch his d!ck. Not in any way. The only similarity is monetary expenditure, which you need to do in order to pay your rent, eat, get to work, fill your car with gas, copay a doctor's visit, whatever.

This is like saying "banging a hooker is no different from making a mortgage payment, because you have to spend money either way." Spending money on dates, and spending money on hookers, are not the fvcking same. In any way.

There are a lot guys on this forum who I very much doubt have any interest in actual pickup and seduction. They want to complain about women and Chad, and justify why it's better to bang hookers than to learn social skills with women.

 

[corrector]

Women are primarily attracted to status. Not money in and of itself. Yes there are gold-diggers. But the reason why a woman is attracted to a wealthy man is because that man has high status in society. Wealthy men exude confidence. When you have/make a lot of money, you tend to not give a fvck about people's opinions of you. You can lead your own life, do what you want. Social consequences for wealthy men are much lower, and they live their lives with that knowledge. That is what women find attractive about wealthy men.

As I've often said on this forum, a first date with a woman should never involve expensive wine 'n dine venues. It should be at a casual bar or lounge where costs can be moderated and it's clear that you're not trying to impress anyone. Don't take her to a dive. Just an unpretentious, nicer upscale bar, pub, or lounge. If the date goes well and it's clear that she's attracted to you, then you can take her with you to eat somewhere. If the date is not going well and she ejects after 2 rounds of drinks, you're out $35-40 tops. Big deal.

There's a lot of post-feminist b!tching and moaning about paying the date tab on this forum, that women should pay half etc etc. THE MAN PAYS. He's not paying because he wants poon from her. He's not paying to impress her and simp. Doing either is a huge turn-off to women. He's paying because he's the man, and the man leads, the man takes care of people under this charge, the man is responsible. He takes care of his lady. Because he demonstrates that he is a masculine alpha man who protects, provides, and takes care of people, the lady is attracted to him. NOT because she wants his money.

Hence, taking care of a woman on a date, which she agreed to attend because she is romantically/sexually interested in the man, is NOT THE SAME as a man hiring a professional skank to touch his d!ck. Not in any way. The only similarity is monetary expenditure, which you need to do in order to pay your rent, eat, get to work, fill your car with gas, copay a doctor's visit, whatever.

This is like saying "banging a hooker is no different from making a mortgage payment, because you have to spend money either way." Spending money on dates, and spending money on hookers, are not the fvcking same. In any way.

There are a lot guys on this forum who I very much doubt have any interest in actual pickup and seduction. They want to complain about women and Chad, and justify why it's better to bang hookers than to learn social skills with women.

Other posters who see hookers will say you still need limited game and social skills dealing with hookers and you still need to look presentable. Also you will need to differentiate between high class call girls vs street hookers because they are not the same.

The only time you do not need social skills or looking presentible is when you subscribe to an OF page. Only in that way there is zero interaction with the hooker.

 

[Epicenter]

Women are primarily attracted to status. Not money in and of itself. Yes there are gold-diggers. But the reason why a woman is attracted to a wealthy man is because that man has high status in society. Wealthy men exude confidence. When you have/make a lot of money, you tend to not give a fvck about people's opinions of you. You can lead your own life, do what you want. Social consequences for wealthy men are much lower, and they live their lives with that knowledge. That is what women find attractive about wealthy men.

As I've often said on this forum, a first date with a woman should never involve expensive wine 'n dine venues. It should be at a casual bar or lounge where costs can be moderated and it's clear that you're not trying to impress anyone. Don't take her to a dive. Just an unpretentious, nicer upscale bar, pub, or lounge. If the date goes well and it's clear that she's attracted to you, then you can take her with you to eat somewhere. If the date is not going well and she ejects after 2 rounds of drinks, you're out $35-40 tops. Big deal.

There's a lot of post-feminist b!tching and moaning about paying the date tab on this forum, that women should pay half etc etc. THE MAN PAYS. He's not paying because he wants poon from her. He's not paying to impress her and simp. Doing either is a huge turn-off to women. He's paying because he's the man, and the man leads, the man takes care of people under this charge, the man is responsible. He takes care of his lady. Because he demonstrates that he is a masculine alpha man who protects, provides, and takes care of people, the lady is attracted to him. NOT because she wants his money.

Hence, taking care of a woman on a date, which she agreed to attend because she is romantically/sexually interested in the man, is NOT THE SAME as a man hiring a professional skank to touch his d!ck. Not in any way. The only similarity is monetary expenditure, which you need to do in order to pay your rent, eat, get to work, fill your car with gas, copay a doctor's visit, whatever.

This is like saying "banging a hooker is no different from making a mortgage payment, because you have to spend money either way." Spending money on dates, and spending money on hookers, are not the fvcking same. In any way.

There are a lot guys on this forum who I very much doubt have any interest in actual pickup and seduction. They want to complain about women and Chad, and justify why it's better to bang hookers than to learn social skills with women.

PUAs are clowns. Being a clown is an art

Other posters who see hookers will say you still need limited game and social skills dealing with hookers and you still need to look presentable. Also you will need to differentiate between high class call girls vs street hookers because they are not the same.

The only time you do not need social skills or looking presentible is when you subscribe to an OF page. Only in that way there is zero interaction with the hooker.

Getting a hot hooker for low price with GFE is harder than getting an ugly girl. So you need more skills with the hooker then.

 

[oc16]

Can a man be alpha in every way (business, human relations, even in his own relationship with his woman) and still be considered an alpha male if he hires an escort for sexual companionship? Generally speaking of a man in any age group.

I've had my phase of paying for escorts in my earlier to mid twenties but I later as I kept doing it I felt kinda bad or sorry for myself afterwards. (Even if the experience was good). After turning 28 I decided it wasn't going to pursue it any longer. It's kinda like porn in a instant gratification type of way.

Has anyone here payed a prostitute for sex? How did you feel afterwards? Do you still do it? Curious what the manosphere thinks about this.

Also, how would one explain a female's mind in doing this type of work? Perhaps its part of her dualistic sexual strategy and a hypergamy on steriods?

Dude, there is no such thing as an Alpha.

 

[rjc149]

Other posters who see hookers will say you still need limited game and social skills dealing with hookers and you still need to look presentable. Also you will need to differentiate between high class call girls vs street hookers because they are not the same.

The only time you do not need social skills or looking presentible is when you subscribe to an OF page. Only in that way there is zero interaction with the hooker.

I don't differentiate between tiers of wh0res. Maybe one is young and insanely hot and costs $2K per hour, the other is a nasty middle-aged truck stop saggytits who will suck your d!ck for a hit of meth but it's the same. You're paying a woman to fake sexual interest in you. A wh0re is a wh0re.

I had no idea that you need game to bang a hooker. I thought you just needed money and a boner.

 

[corrector]

I don't differentiate between tiers of wh0res. Maybe one is young and insanely hot and costs $2K per hour, the other is a nasty middle-aged truck stop saggytits who will suck your d!ck for a hit of meth but it's the same. You're paying a woman to fake sexual interest in you. A wh0re is a wh0re.

I had no idea that you need game to bang a hooker. I thought you just needed money and a boner.

Wow. That's very ignorant. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about then. First of all, you just compared a druggie and a business class escort and saying you don't need game for either one. Let me tell you some news then. You won't be able to book an appointment with a proper escort (ie 20-something year old, D&D free, selective seeing one client per day, looking hot etc...) because with your attitude she probably won't even reply to your text or bother dealing with you since everyone wants to see her.

You would be able to get lower tier escorts. The types that probably have walk-ins and no appointments and see like ten to twenty clients per day. The type you'll puke a day after and kick yourself for even dealing with her and think you caught an STD.

You only get one short to make a first impression with the upper-tier escorts because they block people. Whether they fake sexual interest or not, they are very selective with who they see or get intimate with.

 

[rjc149]

Wow. That's very ignorant. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about then.

I gladly accept this.

 

[rjc149]

Dude, there is no such thing as an Alpha.

Not within some primal animalistic context, ie. wolves or gorillas.

"Alpha" and "beta" for humans depends on the social context. My boss at work is the alpha at work. He's a beta with his wife. Middle-managers at work, the "betas" are alphas in their social groups. They are also betas in social groups they're not as established in.

It's context-dependent. But generally, "alpha" is a man who behaves in accordance with high testosterone levels. It doesn't mean everyone supplicates to him, or that he's the leader of everyone.

 

[corrector]

I gladly accept this.

You've been informed.

 

[corrector]

Getting a hot hooker for low price with GFE is harder than getting an ugly girl. So you need more skills with the hooker then.

A lower price means more men are seeing her and it's more disgusting times 1000. Guys normally get blocked if they try to haggle the price over the phone. I can't speculate on anything further since I don't visit hookers so my range of speculation is very limited. But if the hooker likes you then she'll likely reduce the price on a subsequent visit...but at that point why would you want to deal with her? After all, she's a hooker and is always seeing other guys in a disgusting way.

 

[ZosoWicca]

Wow. That's very ignorant. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about then. First of all, you just compared a druggie and a business class escort and saying you don't need game for either one. Let me tell you some news then. You won't be able to book an appointment with a proper escort (ie 20-something year old, D&D free, selective seeing one client per day, looking hot etc...) because with your attitude she probably won't even reply to your text or bother dealing with you since everyone wants to see her.

You would be able to get lower tier escorts. The types that probably have walk-ins and no appointments and see like ten to twenty clients per day. The type you'll puke a day after and kick yourself for even dealing with her and think you caught an STD.

You only get one short to make a first impression with the upper-tier escorts because they block people. Whether they fake sexual interest or not, they are very selective with who they see or get intimate with.

He thinks going to a hoe is like fapping while watching porn. I don't think the loser weirdo could be able to go to a hoe and have real fun fuking her.
C'mon men, married and engaged men go to hoes, they just like them. Fuking hoes is not mutually exclusive with being a good player (or not).
You can be a weirdo an go to hoes. You can be sucessfull with women and still go to hoes because you want to orgasm in 30 minute from now and don't have the mood to deal with women at that moment.

If you are confident enough about your capability, you won't be bothered for going to hoes as it is a demonstration that you are not good with women or that you are not attractive 'cause you know it is not the case.

The same goes for weirdos. If a weirdo goes to hoes *because* he is bad with women, going to hoes doesn't make him good with women or 'alpha', he is still bad and needs to improve himself.

It is like Hugh Grant, he got a beatiful wife, he is an alpha/rich/famous guy and still got catched hiring a street hooker. He didn't do that 'cause he is a weirdo. He just wanted easy and fast sex.

 

[corrector]

He thinks going to a hoe is like fapping while watching porn. I don't think the loser weirdo could be able to go to a hoe and have real fun fuking her.
C'mon men, married and engaged men go to hoes, they just like them. Fuking hoes is not mutually exclusive with being a good player (or not).
You can be a weirdo an go to hoes. You can be sucessfull with women and still go to hoes because you want to orgasm in 30 minute from now and don't have the mood to deal with women at that moment.

If you are confident enough about your capability, you won't be bothered for going to hoes as it is a demonstration that you are not good with women or that you are not attractive 'cause you know it is not the case.

The same goes for weirdos. If a weirdo goes to hoes *because* he is bad with women, going to hoes doesn't make him good with women or 'alpha', he is still bad and needs to improve himself.

It is like Hugh Grant, he got a beatiful wife, he is an alpha/rich/famous guy and still got catched hiring a street hooker. He didn't do that 'cause he is a weirdo. He just wanted easy and fast sex.

I don't know. Somehow in "escort-world" it seems, at least on the surface, they care more about race (ie if you are white or at least not black) then whether you are a loser-weirdo or well adjusted. If you are not white, then, you have to white maxx or have to up the game a bit.

I visited an escort back in 2014 and had an ugly panic attack the next day which lasted for the rest of the month. The panic attack started just after playing this music video called "Brighter than the Sun":

the following morning because I felt too pagan when I visited two escorts in a 24 hour period and felt I lost my moral identity as being a morally grounded person. That shock was too much for me to handle. That really hurt me and I never visited another escort since.

 

[Lover_boy]

So I guess its correct to say, that a true alpha male, and I mean using the term "alpha" (as this word has been thrown around a lot in this post) as a man who thinks, behaves, and believes highly of himself and is congruent with that behavior and mindset in every aspect of his life, can still hire a hooker and pay for a fast lay.

I believe the issue is when it becomes a habit and the only means to get sexual intimacy from a woman. Especially if you are under 45. If you are over 50, wealthy, but maybe your sexual market value has hit a downfall. Then I can see why many wealthy men will settle for just paying for sex. And even in the "escort sexual market place" there are still standards of women.

However, lets not ignore the fact that some men actually pay for the hooker's time. Meaning they go out on dates with them, take them shopping, take them out for dinner and pay for all their time spent with them. Now its not just about paying for sex, but more about paying for a women's companionship. Would he still be considered alpha at this point?

The truth is, a man should be his highest best self in every way; business, fitness, finances, control of his emotions, and yes even seducing women. If you're solely relying on paying for hookers because you dont want to waste precious time in getting to know a woman (which actually makes a valid point) then you're half way there.

 

[ZosoWicca]

However, lets not ignore the fact that some men actually pay for the hooker's time. Meaning they go out on dates with them, take them shopping, take them out for dinner and pay for all their time spent with them. Now its not just about paying for sex, but more about paying for a women's companionship. Would he still be considered alpha at this point?

That's pretty simp actually.
Paying a hoe should be just to smatch her @ss and get the dik wet, not feeding her ego, just treating her as the piece of meat as she can offer herself.

However, what if a succesfull guy like Richard Gere hires a hoe like Julia Roberts (Pretty woman). He is already alpha, hiring a hoe doesnt reduce or increase his value.