Blazing (swipe app)

[AmsterdamAssassin]

You need to stop using the term "free sex". Very little sex is actually free. Men who get laid through conventional dating are often paying an indirect price for pussie. For some men, the price is lower. [snip] Use the term conventional dating instead of free sex.

You have to remember you're talking to an autist who calls women 'broads', so 'conventional dating' is probably not in his dictionary.

 

[GoodMan32]

The female journalist is less looking good looking compared to other females than the male incel is compared to other males.

That female journalist has far more sexual abundance even with her mediocre to subpar looks. The female journalist doesn't look overweight but her overall looks would be dragged down by her glasses, teeth, and unimpressive facial aesthetics. That female journalist is likely to rarely ever go without sex.



There was OkCupid data from a while back that showed women rated 80% of men as below average and unattractive.

That's mathematically impossible since only 49% of men can be below average.

It's possible for a man to be somewhat above average in looks and still struggle to get attention from women.

The best idea for any man is to build bigger muscles and have around 13-15% body fat. Ideally, he's 6'0"+.

A man puts himself in the best possible situation to succeed if he's 6'0"+, 13-15% body fat, and has a defined physique with some muscles. Playing a sport regularly also helps, even if it is something that is more cardiovascular like tennis or swimming. Some cardiovascular sport would need to be combined with weight training for muscles.

Men under 6'0" would also need to get 13-15% body fat and some muscles.



Not realistic. No public school would ever be able to get away with teaching the red pill ideas that are necessary to avoid being incel or borderline incel. The best that a public school might be able to teach is some level of social skills in order to have friends to get social circle introductions. Some blue pill ideology men with middle of the bell curve looks can get laid if they have a strong social circle.

You need to stop using the term "free sex". Very little sex is actually free. Men who get laid through conventional dating are often paying an indirect price for pussie. For some men, the price is lower. Top tier men getting laid off of swipe apps pay a lower price. Some men have to buy luxury watches and luxury brand cars in order to get laid through conventional dating, often with women who have some level of gold digger tendencies. Use the term conventional dating instead of free sex.

The fact the incel guy from the vid has better looks than the female journalist, yet he's an incel (and, per your own admission, the female journalist will never struggle to get laid), that's the type of sh1t Elliott Rodger was talking about when he said "what an injustice"

You're right, it's mathematically impossible for 80% of men to be below average. What's interesting is the fact men get smeared as being overly focused on a partner's looks, despite the fact the total opposite is true.

As for schools refusing to teach how to avoid becoming incels, if enough schools get shot up by incels, perhaps schools will rethink their priorities (and no, I'm not encouraging school shootings...merely stating a fact: with how much inceldom is skyrocketing, and how common school shootings are to begin with, it's realistic to think incel school shootings will be on the rise)

As for your suggestion I use the term "conventional dating," that's not entirely accurate either. Posting Craigslist ads for casual non-escort sex (which is how I've gotten a lot of my "free" sex) isn't exactly dating. Having a female passenger on public transportation chat me up, and then basically follow me home and get naked, that's not dating either.

My most recent instance of non-escort sex perhaps comes the closest to "conventional dating" (as even though we never went on a date, it took 2 years of flirting to get her into bed). On that note, she was born in 78. The fact even my autistic self could flirt a 78 baby into bed makes me doubt your claim that I'm worthless to an older woman (I was a few months away from turning 30 when we banged; not an early 20s boytoy)

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

that's the type of sh1t Elliott Rodger was talking about when he said "what an injustice"

Oh, yes, his justification for going on a killing spree. Who else are you going to quote? Ted Bundy?

 

[SW15]

My most recent instance of non-escort sex perhaps comes the closest to "conventional dating" (as even though we never went on a date, it took 2 years of flirting to get her into bed). On that note, she was born in 78. The fact even my autistic self could flirt a 78 baby into bed makes me doubt your claim that I'm worthless to an older woman (I was a few months away from turning 30 when we banged; not an early 20s boytoy)

You are seeking outlier events. Outlier events happen in life. To base an entire dating strategy around finding outlier events is not a good idea. Anyone who does that ends up wasting a lot of time.

it's realistic to think incel school shootings will be on the rise

I think that is realistic. Incel status is a factor in a lot of high school and college shootings.

 

[GoodMan32]

You are seeking outlier events. Outlier events happen in life. To base an entire dating strategy around finding outlier events is not a good idea. Anyone who does that ends up wasting a lot of time.



I think that is realistic. Incel status is a factor in a lot of high school and college shootings.

In addition to the 1978 baby I nailed for my last instance of non-escort sex (a few months before turning 30), there's more evidence to make my case (my case being: getting an older woman is more attainable for me than some of the naysayers make it sound):

• My 2nd to last date (at age 26) was with a woman whose exact age never came up, yet context clues suggested she was at least 45. And I got the date from her approaching me.
• My last date was with a 37 year old when I was 32 (even though 37 isn't as old as I prefer, I still feel it's worth mentioning)
• At a store I worked at as late as age 27, there were multiple female customers I got attention from who appeared to be 40+
• A woman older than my mom gave me an IOI at the gym when I was 31
• A woman born in 1967, who used to work in the building where I live, has complimented my looks before (doing the math, I would have been at least 28 at the time)

And that's not even including the luck I had with older broads when I was 20-23 (I excluded those because one could make the argument I was in boytoy territory from 20-23, which I've aged out of)

Would I have better luck if I was more open to getting with broads my age or younger? Probably. Then again, I'd also have better luck if I went gay. Rather than changing my preference (whether it be age preference or gender preference) though, it's more realistic to work with what my preferences are.

Moving on to the topic of incel shootings (as you said, incel shootings will likely grow more and more common). Even if schools don't start teaching boys how to avoid becoming incels, it's in society's best interest if boys learn somewhere (This is just me spitballing: Maybe a summer class teens could sign up for through a private company; just like how teens often take a private driver's ed class on summer break)

 

[SW15]

Would I have better luck if I was more open to getting with broads my age or younger? Probably.

I play the percentages in the mating environment as much as I can.

There are times where I will approach substantially younger women though.

 

[corrector]

My question was a lead-up to what I'm going to say next.

Without trying to sound rude, I guess I'm not quite sure why you'd even want to become better with the ladies, if you're never going to have sex again.

I say "you're never going to have sex again" because you don't believe in sex outside of marriage, and, per your own admission, the idea of you getting remarried is unrealistic.

There was the woman at your workplace you asked out. Even though you were ultimately rejected by her, I guess I'm not quite sure what your end game was in asking her out (if you weren't going to ever marry her, therefore you'd never have sex with her even if she offered)

I totally get that there could be other reasons to ask out a woman you'll never have sex with. For example, even though all the attendees at the 1st speed dating event (and the vast majority of attendees at the 2nd speed dating event) looked young enough I'd probably chicken out of sex, I'd still be down for an actual date (To boost my self-esteem. To possibly watch her pee, which is every bit as enjoyable as sex to me. Also, the revenge of turning down sex with a young woman while she's naked in bed with me...something I've done before)

Perhaps you have reasons too of why you'd want a date with a woman you know you'll never agree to sex with.

True, you mentioned you would get an ego boost at the possibility of having sex. I carry around $80 for an incall Spanish hooker that I know I will never use. Does it feel good that there is a girl who cant say no, or would even ask you if you want to fvck her if you act lile a total clueless dweeb during the session itself (which again I could, and had in fact in the past turned down an offer of sex by a prostitute. (Felt more ripped off then good but it kept my sanity enough to visit another escort). I have all the incall locations that I can just walk into, pick a Spanish girl, and be naked together with her. Yet no sex will happen because I am not married to her. Probably end up.dancing or cuddling, if at that.

In terms of civvies, there are too much social barriers as it is. Even a nice hi and hi back would be an ego boost. In fact, I flipped a coin, heads or tails to approach that lady who rejected me at work. Two times I did not approach because of the coin flip. Third coin flip I ended up approaching and we said to each other. It felt good I did that since I am still infatuated a bit with the same girl who rejected me. Like I cant help who I like. Like I am secretly hoping she will.change her mind, lol

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The only real good quality of the app is the fact I got attention from bots pretty quickly.

FIFY

 

[Gamisch]

@GoodMan32

Closed mouths don't get fed. I am a 7,5/8 (? A good day, yet my "closed mouth doesn't get fed" neither if I don't take action. I've learned that the hard way. Mind you, I am the type of guy that you would consider "lucky " with women. I approached one boom ltr. So basically I didn't learn any pick up game from that perspective.

Now most of my lays come from OLD but I hate using old. So...crickets. tho I am not a bad looking dude, no woman will fall out of the sky and appear magically on my doorstep. Same for you ,corrector and anyone else who feels like he's struggling. You HAVE to take action. If you (like me sometimes) fo whatever reason don't feel like taking action that's fine. Just remember that if you DO want some you gotta go through the trenches..

And no that dude does NOT look better tha the woman. Far from it. The metrics we use to gage attractiveness from either men or women are different. The woman has a somewhat cute smile, isn't fat or butt ugly. Dude looks miserable like a skinny shrimp. That's just looks tho.

 

[corrector]

@GoodMan32

Closed mouths don't get fed. I am a 7,5/8 (? A good day, yet my "closed mouth doesn't get fed" neither if I don't take action. I've learned that the hard way. Mind you, I am the type of guy that you would consider "lucky " with women. I approached one boom ltr. So basically I didn't learn any pick up game from that perspective.

Now most of my lays come from OLD but I hate using old. So...crickets. tho I am not a bad looking dude, no woman will fall out of the sky and appear magically on my doorstep. Same for you ,corrector and anyone else who feels like he's struggling. You HAVE to take action. If you (like me sometimes) fo whatever reason don't feel like taking action that's fine. Just remember that if you DO want some you gotta go through the trenches..

And no that dude does NOT look better tha the woman. Far from it. The metrics we use to gage attractiveness from either men or women are different. The woman has a somewhat cute smile, isn't fat or butt ugly. Dude looks miserable like a skinny shrimp. That's just looks tho.

Love getting laid, hate chasing a$$. That is lyrics from the song Payday from Classified. A song I usually play on a bad day the same week I am getting paid, lol. Comparing getting a paycheque to getting laid, as to contrast working at a job you hate to chasing women sounds like a fitting analogy.

 

[GoodMan32]

@GoodMan32

Closed mouths don't get fed. I am a 7,5/8 (? A good day, yet my "closed mouth doesn't get fed" neither if I don't take action. I've learned that the hard way. Mind you, I am the type of guy that you would consider "lucky " with women. I approached one boom ltr. So basically I didn't learn any pick up game from that perspective.

Now most of my lays come from OLD but I hate using old. So...crickets. tho I am not a bad looking dude, no woman will fall out of the sky and appear magically on my doorstep. Same for you ,corrector and anyone else who feels like he's struggling. You HAVE to take action. If you (like me sometimes) fo whatever reason don't feel like taking action that's fine. Just remember that if you DO want some you gotta go through the trenches..

And no that dude does NOT look better tha the woman. Far from it. The metrics we use to gage attractiveness from either men or women are different. The woman has a somewhat cute smile, isn't fat or butt ugly. Dude looks miserable like a skinny shrimp. That's just looks tho.

Good (but disappointing) to know even a 7.5-8 needs to take action.

As for the Vice interview with the incel, I suppose everyone has different taste. @SW15, however (a poster known for his high standards), said on a recent post that the incel has better looks than the female journalist.

Of course the incel looks miserable. He's an incel. He has good looks underneath that misery, however. As for the skinny thing, that's once again a matter of preference. Some broads won't go for a skinny guy. I recall some of the alternative/emo/punk chicks at my high school, however, saying they don't like the overly meaty look of muscular guys.

As an analogy, some men don't like the artificial look of Playboy bunnies, even though some men are infatuated with Playboy bunnies.

 

[GoodMan32]

Love getting laid, hate chasing a$$. That is lyrics from the song Payday from Classified. A song I usually play on a bad day the same week I am getting paid, lol. Comparing getting a paycheque to getting laid, as to contrast working at a job you hate to chasing women sounds like a fitting analogy.

If you're into alternative/pop punk, you'd love the song She Mannequin by All American Rejects.

The song is about a guy having dreams where he's with his perfect girl, yet coming to the realization she'll never be anything more than a dream.

 

[GoodMan32]

True, you mentioned you would get an ego boost at the possibility of having sex. I carry around $80 for an incall Spanish hooker that I know I will never use. Does it feel good that there is a girl who cant say no, or would even ask you if you want to fvck her if you act lile a total clueless dweeb during the session itself (which again I could, and had in fact in the past turned down an offer of sex by a prostitute. (Felt more ripped off then good but it kept my sanity enough to visit another escort). I have all the incall locations that I can just walk into, pick a Spanish girl, and be naked together with her. Yet no sex will happen because I am not married to her. Probably end up.dancing or cuddling, if at that.

In terms of civvies, there are too much social barriers as it is. Even a nice hi and hi back would be an ego boost. In fact, I flipped a coin, heads or tails to approach that lady who rejected me at work. Two times I did not approach because of the coin flip. Third coin flip I ended up approaching and we said to each other. It felt good I did that since I am still infatuated a bit with the same girl who rejected me. Like I cant help who I like. Like I am secretly hoping she will.change her mind, lol

It's been mentioned on this forum that some broads use dating apps solely for validation, with no intention of meeting up with or banging any men from the app.

I suppose I'm somewhat the male equivalent (As even though I'd be willing to meet up with fertile broads for dates, I know I'm probably going to chicken out of sex. The fact I'd chicken out of sex doesn't matter though, seeing as the mere fact the broad went on a date with me would give me validation. And as you pointed out, if the broad offered me sex, even if I turned down the sex, the mere offer would give me some major validation)

In conclusion, the difference between myself and the attention wh0re broads on dating apps is that it takes more than simply giving me attention on the app to give me validation; I need in-person validation.

 

[SW15]

the female journalist.

Elle Reeve is the female journalist from that 2018 video. She looked better in the 2018 video than the 2022 picture posted on a previous page in this discussion and on her Wikipedia entry (see below).

Elle Reeve is now in her early 40s as she was born in the early 1980s.

In the Wikipedia entry, there's a link to an article from 2007 that shows looking her looking way better than 2022. Her teeth were less messed up. She has aged poorly.

She got married in her mid-20s in 2007 and got married again in 2018 in her mid to late 30s. She just had her first child in February 2024 as an early 40s woman far from her peak fertility and having aged poorly.

Elle Reeve - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

She has had 2 men commit marriage to her and likely multiple committed boyfriends that didn't end in marriage despite mediocre looks and likely a mediocre personality.

 

[Gamisch]

Good (but disappointing) to know even a 7.5-8 needs to take action.

As for the Vice interview with the incel, I suppose everyone has different taste. @SW15, however (a poster known for his high standards), said on a recent post that the incel has better looks than the female journalist.

Of course the incel looks miserable. He's an incel. He has good looks underneath that misery, however. As for the skinny thing, that's once again a matter of preference. Some broads won't go for a skinny guy. I recall some of the alternative/emo/punk chicks at my high school, however, saying they don't like the overly meaty look of muscular guys.

As an analogy, some men don't like the artificial look of Playboy bunnies, even though some men are infatuated with Playboy bunnies.

You can be a 10 and yet at SOME point in life you MIGHT need game. You can be a 10, married but at some point the misses get curious about that other dude that's a 7,5...and now you are a 40y.o ten who hasn't been in the game for many years( aka rusty as fook.

And iirc most men wouldn't mind sleeping with prime let's say...Megan fox( hb9) and change that up with prime Billy Elish or Taylor Swift (both. Hb7,5). Just for shytes and giggles.

And that talking about men > women. A man's life is NEVER easy. Being around the 7 bracket doesn't mean shyte. I can go out and get multiple numbers, but I STILL gotta put I some effort. And again, I am actually WAY too spoiled by life/ women.

I just try to say that yes, I must go through the trenches and knowing this will actually give me peace of mind. You seem stressed out. Gotta find peace and embrace the fact that you are the HUNTER . You are not prey. I said before that even Wolverine (Jack hughman?) , Tom Brady and D'Angelo lost their wives eventually. Even pro ballers say they stay away from OLD because they might have great volume, even they struggle to CONTAIN the women they deal with.

Bro. Life is short. The clock is ticking. What are you waiting for? To be that old man that hates himself because he never took risks? I gave you the blueprint multiple times, but just give me the sign and I'll wrote yet another blueprint for you here.

 

[GoodMan32]

Elle Reeve is the female journalist from that 2018 video. She looked better in the 2018 video than the 2022 picture posted on a previous page in this discussion and on her Wikipedia entry (see below).

Elle Reeve is now in her early 40s as she was born in the early 1980s.

In the Wikipedia entry, there's a link to an article from 2007 that shows looking her looking way better than 2022. Her teeth were less messed up. She has aged poorly.

She got married in her mid-20s in 2007 and got married again in 2018 in her mid to late 30s. She just had her first child in February 2024 as an early 40s woman far from her peak fertility and having aged poorly.

Elle Reeve - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

She has had 2 men commit marriage to her and likely multiple committed boyfriends that didn't end in marriage despite mediocre looks and likely a mediocre personality.

It's true she looked better in 2018 than 2022. Still, I'd say the incel looked better than her in 2018.

The fact she had a baby in 2024 is an illustration of why I like to set my cutoff at 45+ (as early 40s are still dangerously fertile, even if past peak fertility)

And then the fact that, as you indicated, she's probably had lots of committed boyfriends (in addition to her 2 marriages) despite her mediocrity, all further proof of how easy it is for a woman to get a partner.

 

[GoodMan32]

You can be a 10 and yet at SOME point in life you MIGHT need game. You can be a 10, married but at some point the misses get curious about that other dude that's a 7,5...and now you are a 40y.o ten who hasn't been in the game for many years( aka rusty as fook.

And iirc most men wouldn't mind sleeping with prime let's say...Megan fox( hb9) and change that up with prime Billy Elish or Taylor Swift (both. Hb7,5). Just for shytes and giggles.

And that talking about men > women. A man's life is NEVER easy. Being around the 7 bracket doesn't mean shyte. I can go out and get multiple numbers, but I STILL gotta put I some effort. And again, I am actually WAY too spoiled by life/ women.

I just try to say that yes, I must go through the trenches and knowing this will actually give me peace of mind. You seem stressed out. Gotta find peace and embrace the fact that you are the HUNTER . You are not prey. I said before that even Wolverine (Jack hughman?) , Tom Brady and D'Angelo lost their wives eventually. Even pro ballers say they stay away from OLD because they might have great volume, even they struggle to CONTAIN the women they deal with.

Bro. Life is short. The clock is ticking. What are you waiting for? To be that old man that hates himself because he never took risks? I gave you the blueprint multiple times, but just give me the sign and I'll wrote yet another blueprint for you here.

You're damn right I'm stressed.

Being an autist costs me a chance with many a woman to begin with (as even if they don't officially know I'm an autist, my ASD gives me certain qualities that repel the ladies)

And if that's not bad enough, here's where it gets even worse: Many a woman in my preferred age cohort will automatically write off any man my age (even a smooth Chad)

I'm really swimming against the current.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The fact she had a baby in 2024 is an illustration of why I like to set my cutoff at 45+ (as early 40s are still dangerously fertile, even if past peak fertility)

You can try to talk about this like it's normal to have these thoughts, but I'm afraid you won't get much validation here.

 

[Gamisch]

You're damn right I'm stressed.

Being an autist costs me a chance with many a woman to begin with (as even if they don't officially know I'm an autist, my ASD gives me certain qualities that repel the ladies)

And if that's not bad enough, here's where it gets even worse: Many a woman in my preferred age cohort will automatically write off any man my age (even a smooth Chad)

I'm really swimming against the current.

If you believe in evil you automatically also believe in goodness. Theres no black with white.

So just as stressed as you are today, you can be equally esthetic about your life tomorrow..as we both mentioned: the stress is the aura you surround yourself with. And "unfortunately " stress/ despair is one of the most repulsive traits we as men can have. There are men in FOOKING PRISON right now who are probably more positive than you are.. and they're fecking..that's crazy work.

Gotta work on shifting your ENERGY. How ? Time to start doing some soul searching bro..

And perhaps , as CRAZY as it will sound:you gotta lower/up ( ????) your standard and expand your bracket instead of limiting yourself to just women older than 45..preferences are okay, but not in your situation .

 

[Gamisch]

You're damn right I'm stressed.

Being an autist costs me a chance with many a woman to begin with (as even if they don't officially know I'm an autist, my ASD gives me certain qualities that repel the ladies)

And if that's not bad enough, here's where it gets even worse: Many a woman in my preferred age cohort will automatically write off any man my age (even a smooth Chad)

I'm really swimming against the current.

About the autistic part: I am a firm believer that those autistic "qualities " can also be used to actually gain knowledge and experience( on a EAGER level )

You can make a so-called " safe fall" ,with your arms wide open, eyes closed , and without fear drop into the lifestyle of self improvement.

I know this is blasphemy here, but you should forget about women at least untill summer and work on yourself while having a positive attitude and point of view. Those h0es will come believe me..

Ask questions make threads ofcourse. But take out the sting and start with re imaging the bettter version yourself. On an autistic level.