article: Perspective: Where have all the good men gone?

[Dr.Suave]

I married a 22-year-old virgin. I know exactly why virginity is overrated.

One man's garbage...

 

[SargeMaximus]

That´s fair. Now, imagine if everytime you said that, a bunch of people got triggered or something. call you "unrealistic/insecure/delusional". F01cking annoying.

They do but I click the ignore button so I don’t see them anymore

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

Perspective: Ready for a serious relationship? You’re probably a woman

Young men who are ready for committed relationships are in short supply compared to women.

www.deseret.com

my opinion: The "good men" these chicks are looking for have deduced that BetaMaxxing is just not worth it.

Back in the day, it was mostly men going to college and holding down jobs. Now, women are hitting the books hard and getting degrees, sometimes even more than men, like at the University of Virginia mentioned in the article. Along with this, the way folks see dating and tying the knot is changing too. It looks like younger people are taking their time to settle down and are cool with keeping relationships casual. So, with more women in college and different views on dating, the old-fashioned dating scene is getting a little shake-up. This mix of school and new dating vibes is making it a bit tricky for some to find serious relationships during college and even after.

 

[pipeman84]

Guys that want virgins to that degree are afraid because they don't compare well in the bedroom to other guys and want to eliminate that by finding a woman that doesn't know that they suck in bed.

Here's another counterpoint to the above:
your belief that you're good in bed is based on what a woman or several women have told you. But when a particular woman has had sex with many guys, how do you know she didn't say the same thing to every one of them? And how worthy her opinion is anyway when it's well known that the more sexual partners she's had, the more messed up she is.

On the other hand, take a 22yrs old virgin, who has rejected guys hitting on her since she was 15. When she gives you her virginity, that's a factual statement that she considers you better than all the other guys she could've had sex with.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Here's another counterpoint to the above:
your belief that you're good in bed is based on what a woman or several women have told you. But when a particular woman has had sex with many guys, how do you know she didn't say the same thing to every one of them? And how worthy her opinion is anyway when it's well known that the more sexual partners she's had, the more messed up she is.

On the other hand, take a 22yrs old virgin, who has rejected guys hitting on her since she was 15. When she gives you her virginity, that's a factual statement that she considers you better than all the other guys she could've had sex with.

I don't have to hear it from them. I know I am an absolute monster in the bedroom. I'm in shape, I last forever, I can fvck hard for hours on end, I need less than a minute to recover after blasting, I understand how to make women feel amazing using every tool at my disposal, and I make women who say it's impossible for them to squirt, squirt routinely, many for the first time and some of them start freaking out while it is happening.

They are the ones usually asking for a timeout because the room is spinning from them them cvmming so many times and the sheets are completely soaked.

If other guys are able to do that, then fair game. I'm exceptionally confident in my abilities in that domain, and I have no problem telling them prior to anything happening. I'm pretty sure if I wasn't up to what I was talking they would let me know but it's actually usually the other way...I exceed their expectations even based on what I have told them ahead of time and they can't stop talking about it. Not just after it happens but on a routine every day basis.

And the number one way I know?

Because every woman I have ever dated that has introduced me to their friends has had at least one of them try to get at me and you know why that is...because they were told about my skills.

 

[pipeman84]

I last forever, I can fvck hard for hours on end, I need less than a minute to recover after blasting,

I don't know man, from my research women don't enjoy being fvcked hard for too long, let alone for hours on end. Physically it's not a pleasure anymore and it also makes them think the man doesn't find them attractive that's why he doesn't cvm. Somewhere between a two pump chump and hours of hard fvcking there's a sweet spot and it's probably around 15-20min mark.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I don't know man, from my research women don't enjoy being fvcked hard for too long, let alone for hours on end. Physically it's not a pleasure anymore and it also makes them think the man doesn't find them attractive that's why he doesn't cvm. Somewhere between a two pump chump and hours of hard fvcking there's a sweet spot and it's probably around 15-20min mark.

I suggest you do more research.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Here's another counterpoint to the above:
your belief that you're good in bed is based on what a woman or several women have told you. But when a particular woman has had sex with many guys, how do you know she didn't say the same thing to every one of them? And how worthy her opinion is anyway when it's well known that the more sexual partners she's had, the more messed up she is.

On the other hand, take a 22yrs old virgin, who has rejected guys hitting on her since she was 15. When she gives you her virginity, that's a factual statement that she considers you better than all the other guys she could've had sex with.

And 10 years into the marriage, more likely 7when she starts getting unhaaaaaaaappppyyyyy, she’s going to wonder even hard what other c0ck might feel like and how she “missed out” on the experiences she could have had if she wasn’t in a relationship with you…

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

My experience mirrors @BackInTheGame78 ’s pretty much, except I’m not used to being the pick of the litter; i need to talk to women to get them to notice me, once I’ve made them laugh I’m 99% sure I’m in eventually.

There certainly are those of us who are good at sex, have the receipts and know confidently that we’re exceptional.

But haters gunna hate.

 

[pipeman84]

And 10 years into the marriage, more likely 7when she starts getting unhaaaaaaaappppyyyyy, she’s going to wonder even hard what other c0ck might feel like and how she “missed out” on the experiences she could have had if she wasn’t in a relationship with you…

Theoretically, that can happen with any woman. In reality, it's much more probable to happen with a woman who already had the taste of several dycks. Let's take 3 similarly looking 22yrs old girls. The one is the virgin in my example, the 2nd has had 3 boyfriends, the 3rd has had casual sex with various guys and since 18 is a pornstar. The first 2 girls, while on the surface have a similar, what the society would call normal evolution, actually have a totally different mindset (as evidenced by their past), which projected in the future, let's say 10yrs into a marriage, give very different probable realities. The third one might as well be an alien when compared to the first 2.

 

[Gamisch]

If you're asking for a virgin that much, at least you should be every girls dream. I would like to see picture of your body, how much you weigh and how tall are you?

Lets cut the BS.

The only reason why men are looking for a virgin is due to severe insecurity issues. Scarcity that he'll be insufficient in comparison to other men. I can't come up with any other reason. Perhaps a ego thing, but WHY ON EARTH would a 40 y.o man STILL be on these little ego games??? Remember, this age is akin to being a GRANDFATHER. I agree with Gainz, you better be a powerful mogul if you wanna demand these things from life...

Here's the kicker tho: women are HARD WIRED to have lets say, "certain tendencies ". This gentlemen, is what we call FEMALE NATURE. Hence the word NATURE.

So you can try to outsmart nature, but the odds of making it actually work is slim to none. It's like trying to stop birds from flying south, or trying to stop storms above the ocean. A woman WILL stray at some point, and whenever she does will always be a painful moment. You can keep her in check for 20 years, one moment of weakness will destroy those 20 years...

I keep saying that the world is ever changing, we have no clue what life will be like ten or 15 years from now. Yes, @pipeman84 , i told you MANY times that 85 % of men have the same wish as you. But you also have to admit it stems from old school culture/thinking

We stil see old couples walking side by side every day, and every time we see this we tell ourselves:" cutdammit, I KNEW that it was still possible to meet a soulmate type of woman!!". We are from a generation that have (grand)parents that are married for 40 years ect.

We wouldn't even imagine that Only Fans would EVER be a thing when we only knew about pron from books and "very secretive parts" in the video shop. Newsflash: the videoshop, the VHS, and the books are all GONE. Its a new era.

 

[pipeman84]

I can't come up with any other reason.

read my replies on this thread and you'll see several reasons.

Here's the kicker tho: women are HARD WIRED to have lets say, "certain tendencies ". This gentlemen, is what we call FEMALE NATURE. Hence the word NATURE.

It's highly questionable that it's in female nature to be promiscuous. Even if that's so, it doesn't take more than an average woman to control those tendencies, just as most men can control their testosterone induced aggressiveness.

Yes, @pipeman84 , i told you MANY times that 85 % of men have the same wish as you.

I don't think so. Not even on a declarative level isn't the percentage that high. On an actual (meaning beliefs and actions derived from them) level, it's much much smaller.

We wouldn't even imagine that Only Fans would EVER be a thing when we only knew about pron from books and "very secretive parts" in the video shop. Newsflash: the videoshop, the VHS, and the books are all GONE. Its a new era.

It's a new era, but I don't think it automatically makes it a bad era because strippers are now on OF and porn is more accessible.

 

[Dr.Suave]

I last forever, I can fvck hard for hours on end, I need less than a minute to recover after blasting,

This sounds un healthy at worst and like a double edge sword at best, sounds anyway, not sure it actually is. But I guess as long as you are feeling good, enjoy it bro

 

[Gamisch]

read my replies on this thread and you'll see several reasons.

It's highly questionable that it's in female nature to be promiscuous. Even if that's so, it doesn't take more than an average woman to control those tendencies, just as most men can control their testosterone induced aggressiveness.

I don't think so. Not even on a declarative level isn't the percentage that high. On an actual (meaning beliefs and actions derived from them) level, it's much much smaller.

It's a new era, but I don't think it automatically makes it a bad era because strippers are now on OF and porn is more accessible.

Yeah a woman might control those tendencies, but perhaps AFTER she's been through a slvt phase (or 2,or 3, or 4). If I follow your dichotomy she is already written off by having slept with ONE man other .

If given the opportunity most men would definitely want a loyal woman who doesn't cheat, brings diseases, gets pregnant by other men ect. Apart from some fetish orientated men most men would LOVE to have that part of life secured.

Its a new era, meaning that women have less intencive to be loyal to one man for an entire lifetime. We know the reasons why by now. On top of that it's extremely easy to get a quick lay ,especially for any woman above hb4.

Imo this whole virgin thing is played out, especially for a man older than 30.

 

[pipeman84]

Yeah a woman might control those tendencies, but perhaps AFTER she's been through a slvt phase (or 2,or 3, or 4). If I follow your dichotomy she is already written off by having slept with ONE man other .

I don't think so ... IMO how a girl handles her sexuality in the 14-21yrs interval is going to define her entire life ... kind of like how the first 7 years in a human's life are paramount for later development. A girl who's been a slut in that age range but will turn into a loyal housewife later on is as likely as a child raised by wolfs and who by the age of 7 can't speak any language, becoming proficient in several languages later on in life.

If given the opportunity most men would definitely want a loyal woman who doesn't cheat, brings diseases, gets pregnant by other men ect.

All men are given this opportunity, no one is forced to commit to any woman.

Its a new era, meaning that women have less intencive to be loyal to one man for an entire lifetime. We know the reasons why by now. On top of that it's extremely easy to get a quick lay ,especially for any woman above hb4.

A clinically sane woman who got a good man to commit to her has no incentive to cheat. If she's not clinically sane, then why would any sane guy commit to her?

 

[Dr.Suave]

Lets cut the BS.

Lets go bro, this is what doesnt make sense to me:

Pipeman: "I could bang a hot non virgin girl with a condom as recreational use only, but I wont commit exclusivity to a girl unless she´s a virgin" (Not the exact words but that´s the gist of it)

and instead of brotherly support, most replies are:

- You are unrealistic/insecure/delusional

- She could lie to you. She will never tell you the real number anyway. Multiply the number she says by 4

- Dont ask questions you dont want to know the answer to. Its not the 19XXs anymore

Or some variant of the above.

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him, imho anyway. If after some time he doesnt find what he´s looking for, at some point maybe he will have to either lower his standards a little bit or be ready to give up kids in a marriage.

But at least he was always true to himself and he will cross that bridge when he gets there. But instead of support he gets garbage replies.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

Lets go bro, this is what doesnt make sense to me:

Pipeman: "I could bang a hot non virgin girl with a condom as recreational use only, but I wont commit exclusivity to a girl unless she´s a virgin" (Not the exact words but that´s the gist of it)

and instead of brotherly support, most replies are:

- You are unrealistic/insecure/delusional

- She could lie to you. She will never tell you the real number anyway. Multiply the number she says by 4

- Dont ask questions you dont want to know the answer to. Its not the 19XXs anymore

Or some variant of the above.

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him, imho anyway. If after some time he doesnt find what he´s looking for, at some point maybe he will have to either lower his standards a little bit or be ready to give up kids in a marriage.

But at least he was always true to himself and he will cross that bridge when he gets there. But instead of support he gets garbage replies.

Bro, that's guy is an incel, haven't you noticed?

 

[Bigpapa]

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him,

A woman being a virgin is not a standard per se, is more like a cope for something else

Most likely a cope for why he is not successful in the first place

Women do the same, have you noticed that usually the uglier a woman is the more she exaggerates about what a guy should do in order to get her?

Ugly woman: I am single because guys these days are trash

Reality: she is f8cking ugly / crazy or a mix of both

If someone would be true to himself, he will notice that the rhetoric here is identical of that of feminists, just that they replace “men” with “women” in the sentence

 

[pipeman84]

@Bigpapa @All_Kindz_Of_Gainz
I'm expressing my preferences (which are nothing more than what is or at least what used to be standard requirement for commitment) - how does that make me an incel and the male equivalent of an ugly feminist?
You keep your preferences and act accordingly, I'll keep mine ... diversity allows the world to keep expanding. Calling me names doesn't make you any more successful or alpha, quite the contrary.

 

[Gamisch]

I'll repeat: i am from a generation of men who grew up with the idea that bodycount matters. For both genders.

Despite this hardwired belief I ALSO realize that in this era its hardly impossible for a man NEARING 40(!!!) to want a virgin.

I said many times, at times pipemans principles are great. Especially in situations where a man tries to idealize a random 304.

But other than that, I just want him and everyone else to be realistic about the opportunities.

Just finding a sane woman is something most men won't ever accomplish. Now add the factor of this woman being a virgin..especially in any western nation
..you have a better change at winning the lottery.

If you pick up one from a strict religious country ....you MIGHT have a better chance

Otherwise all the stars need to align perfectly.