article: Perspective: Where have all the good men gone?

[Dr.Suave]

I last forever, I can fvck hard for hours on end, I need less than a minute to recover after blasting,

This sounds un healthy at worst and like a double edge sword at best, sounds anyway, not sure it actually is. But I guess as long as you are feeling good, enjoy it bro

 

[Gamisch]

read my replies on this thread and you'll see several reasons.

It's highly questionable that it's in female nature to be promiscuous. Even if that's so, it doesn't take more than an average woman to control those tendencies, just as most men can control their testosterone induced aggressiveness.

I don't think so. Not even on a declarative level isn't the percentage that high. On an actual (meaning beliefs and actions derived from them) level, it's much much smaller.

It's a new era, but I don't think it automatically makes it a bad era because strippers are now on OF and porn is more accessible.

Yeah a woman might control those tendencies, but perhaps AFTER she's been through a slvt phase (or 2,or 3, or 4). If I follow your dichotomy she is already written off by having slept with ONE man other .

If given the opportunity most men would definitely want a loyal woman who doesn't cheat, brings diseases, gets pregnant by other men ect. Apart from some fetish orientated men most men would LOVE to have that part of life secured.

Its a new era, meaning that women have less intencive to be loyal to one man for an entire lifetime. We know the reasons why by now. On top of that it's extremely easy to get a quick lay ,especially for any woman above hb4.

Imo this whole virgin thing is played out, especially for a man older than 30.

 

[pipeman84]

Yeah a woman might control those tendencies, but perhaps AFTER she's been through a slvt phase (or 2,or 3, or 4). If I follow your dichotomy she is already written off by having slept with ONE man other .

I don't think so ... IMO how a girl handles her sexuality in the 14-21yrs interval is going to define her entire life ... kind of like how the first 7 years in a human's life are paramount for later development. A girl who's been a slut in that age range but will turn into a loyal housewife later on is as likely as a child raised by wolfs and who by the age of 7 can't speak any language, becoming proficient in several languages later on in life.

If given the opportunity most men would definitely want a loyal woman who doesn't cheat, brings diseases, gets pregnant by other men ect.

All men are given this opportunity, no one is forced to commit to any woman.

Its a new era, meaning that women have less intencive to be loyal to one man for an entire lifetime. We know the reasons why by now. On top of that it's extremely easy to get a quick lay ,especially for any woman above hb4.

A clinically sane woman who got a good man to commit to her has no incentive to cheat. If she's not clinically sane, then why would any sane guy commit to her?

 

[Dr.Suave]

Lets cut the BS.

Lets go bro, this is what doesnt make sense to me:

Pipeman: "I could bang a hot non virgin girl with a condom as recreational use only, but I wont commit exclusivity to a girl unless she´s a virgin" (Not the exact words but that´s the gist of it)

and instead of brotherly support, most replies are:

- You are unrealistic/insecure/delusional

- She could lie to you. She will never tell you the real number anyway. Multiply the number she says by 4

- Dont ask questions you dont want to know the answer to. Its not the 19XXs anymore

Or some variant of the above.

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him, imho anyway. If after some time he doesnt find what he´s looking for, at some point maybe he will have to either lower his standards a little bit or be ready to give up kids in a marriage.

But at least he was always true to himself and he will cross that bridge when he gets there. But instead of support he gets garbage replies.

 

[Bigpapa]

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him,

A woman being a virgin is not a standard per se, is more like a cope for something else

Most likely a cope for why he is not successful in the first place

Women do the same, have you noticed that usually the uglier a woman is the more she exaggerates about what a guy should do in order to get her?

Ugly woman: I am single because guys these days are trash

Reality: she is f8cking ugly / crazy or a mix of both

If someone would be true to himself, he will notice that the rhetoric here is identical of that of feminists, just that they replace “men” with “women” in the sentence

 

[pipeman84]

@Bigpapa @All_Kindz_Of_Gainz
I'm expressing my preferences (which are nothing more than what is or at least what used to be standard requirement for commitment) - how does that make me an incel and the male equivalent of an ugly feminist?
You keep your preferences and act accordingly, I'll keep mine ... diversity allows the world to keep expanding. Calling me names doesn't make you any more successful or alpha, quite the contrary.

 

[Gamisch]

I'll repeat: i am from a generation of men who grew up with the idea that bodycount matters. For both genders.

Despite this hardwired belief I ALSO realize that in this era its hardly impossible for a man NEARING 40(!!!) to want a virgin.

I said many times, at times pipemans principles are great. Especially in situations where a man tries to idealize a random 304.

But other than that, I just want him and everyone else to be realistic about the opportunities.

Just finding a sane woman is something most men won't ever accomplish. Now add the factor of this woman being a virgin..especially in any western nation
..you have a better change at winning the lottery.

If you pick up one from a strict religious country ....you MIGHT have a better chance

Otherwise all the stars need to align perfectly.

 

[pipeman84]

Despite this hardwired belief I ALSO realize that in this era its hardly impossible for a man NEARING 40(!!!) to want a virgin.

Dane Cook 51 just married a 24yrs old, they've been together since she was 17. Zan Perrion got together with his now wife when he was 48 and she was 22. Paul Walker (rip) was 40yrs old and his girlfriend was 23 and they had been together for several years.
These are just examples off the top of my head.

Don't even start with the argument that 2 of the above happened because money/status because there are many more examples of money/status that got into relationships (take Will Smith or Chris Hemsworth) which are not at all inspiring.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I dont think the "virgin thing" has to be taken litteraly in many cases.

It's not the physical act itself to change a woman but the amount and quality of experiences she has been through.

A woman with a spoiled or messed up past is hard to deal with and there are good chances that she is broken mentally.

A guy in his 40s that looks for virgins in my opinion is wrong for two reasons.

The first one is that even if he finds one she is either messed up in her head if she is 25+ or she is way to young to conscioulsy decide to stay with and him and create a family...I dont believe an18 yrs old girl should be robbed of her life and be paired with an old man.

The talks about insecurity are ridicolous when thrown at a man that has -reasonable- standards wheter it comes of body count or social status.

 

[pipeman84]

A guy in his 40s that looks for virgins in my opinion is wrong for two reasons.

The first one is that even if he finds one she is either messed up in her head if she is 25+ or she is way to young to conscioulsy decide to stay with and him and create a family...I dont believe an18 yrs old girl should be robbed of her life and be paired with an old man.

I tend to agree with the first reason ... actually I found a black influencer on YouTube, forgot her name, claimed to be virgin at 31 back in 2017 or so (although she mentioned a boyfriend when she was in college ), married a guy after a year of dating without them even kissing (!? ) ... they're still married now and she's pregnant.
But the counterargument is that unless you find a widow (a situation which carries its own kind of baggage), all the relationship/casual sex miles of a woman 25+ have messed her up just as much if not more. So bottom line, don't commit to a messed up woman, virgin or not.

Second argument, about being too young to consciously choose a man, I also agree with, actually I said recently in your thread:

Well said. Consequently, I think the best age for a woman to enter a LTR with is 22-25. You want her to have some life experience in the real world, that's why I think fresh out of high school is too young. Based on how she handled those few years, you can decide if she meets your standards for a relationship.

 

[Gamisch]

I dont think the "virgin thing" has to be taken litteraly in many cases.

It's not the physical act itself to change a woman but the amount and quality of experiences she has been through.

A woman with a spoiled or messed up past is hard to deal with and there are good chances that she is broken mentally.

A guy in his 40s that looks for virgins in my opinion is wrong for two reasons.

The first one is that even if he finds one she is either messed up in her head if she is 25+ or she is way to young to conscioulsy decide to stay with and him and create a family...I dont believe an18 yrs old girl should be robbed of her life and be paired with an old man.

The talks about insecurity are ridicolous when thrown at a man that has -reasonable- standards wheter it comes of body count or social status.

Hmm. The reason why this virgin thing is so much sought after imo is due to the OPPOSITE effect of a woman whose "been around the block". In a worst case scenario ;

" you have the smallest schlong she ever encountered and thus she craves other sausages ".

So iirc a virgin provides the OPPOSITE of this. A woman who never had another man so all of her experience when it comes to physical contact, feelings, orgasms ect is linked to __YOU__ and thus she'll only lust after you.

Now we know this simply isn't true.

What's the end goal of having a virgin? Having LESS headaches and typical "male/female issues "? Because I can tell you from experience that it doesn't work like that. I had a virgin, when I was 18. And long story short: she ended up like every other woman, with a "azzhole" who beat the feck out of her on a regular basis.

Again, we ALL HAVE HIGH STANDARDS. All of us bro. Lets say that all participants in this thread would prefer a woman with: are you ready?;
-low count, well spoken, cool, pretty, funny, loyal, obedient,responsible, good cook, freak in bed, friendly, nice, yet not to be fecked with, good with family, good mother and a thousand more great traits yadiya.

None of us want a sub hb5 with a bad attitude who makes our lives harder. We ALL want a hb7,5 virgin/ 2 boyfriends who only got missionary and handjobs.

But in the REAL world I don't know how a ,I'll repeat, man nearing FORTY can even think about this as a serious thing.

Having high standards is great. But its not any different from woman having "300 reasons why NOT to go on a second date with a man". Its equally ridiculous.

 

[pipeman84]

You're not either of those 4 guys with the money & status, and never will, so lower your standards miss.

You can draw whatever conclusion you wish from the example I've given. My conclusion is that like (at the core being) attracts like. Therefore no need to lower my standards ... I am who I am and I'll attract someone on the same level. In the case there's no one, I'm OK with that. It's not like I'm longing to commit to a woman like Jada Smith.

But in the REAL world I don't know how a ,I'll repeat, man nearing FORTY can even think about this as a serious thing.

Just gave you some real world examples above, yet you're still talking as if I'm thinking about marrying an alien with 2 heads and 5 arms. Funny thing is that you can't imagine a man nearing 40 thinking seriously about a virgin, I can't imagine a man nearing 40 (with all the life wisdom accumulated and all that) committing to a woman who is NOT a virgin.

 

[pipeman84]

We ALL want a hb7,5 virgin/ 2 boyfriends who only got missionary and handjobs.

That's what I was debating with myself about a year ago, actually I wrote about it on here. The argument was that she learned after 2 relationships and now she'd be much wiser than a virgin. Also, assuming those were average guys, and you a graduate from SoSuave, you'd be seen in that much better light.
But my conclusion is that line of thinking wouldn't work for me. The 'much wiser' argument is highly debatable and very individual dependent. The second argument is actually BS when you think it through ... on one hand she can watch a bit of porn and there goes the idea you're this unique, lean, mean sex God. On the other hand, how does it make you feel as a man knowing that 2 saps fvcked her and went merrily on their ways, and now you, the suave guy, committed to her? Doesn't it actually make you dumber than the 2 other guys?

Most importantly though, the thought she's already done all the love related stuff with two other guys, makes me unable to take her seriously and actually invest in her. It would feel like turning my life into role playing in a bad movie ... she'd say: oh I love you (my inner voice would immediately say: yeah right, like you loved the other 2 guys).

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

That's what I was debating with myself about a year ago, actually I wrote about it on here. The argument was that she learned after 2 relationships and now she'd be much wiser than a virgin. Also, assuming those were average guys, and you a graduate from SoSuave, you'd be seen in that much better light.
But my conclusion is that line of thinking wouldn't work for me. The 'much wiser' argument is highly debatable and very individual dependent. The second argument is actually BS when you think it through ... on one hand she can watch a bit of porn and there goes the idea you're this unique, lean, mean sex God. On the other hand, how does it make you feel as a man knowing that 2 saps fvcked her and went merrily on their ways, and now you, the suave guy, committed to her? Doesn't it actually make you dumber than the 2 other guys?

Most importantly though, the thought she's already done all the love related stuff with two other guys, makes me unable to take her seriously and actually invest in her. It would feel like turning my life into role playing in a bad movie ... she'd say: oh I love you (my inner voice would immediately say: yeah right, like you loved the other 2 guys).

Thats why it gets hard to "commit psychologically" after a certain point, it's not even about money since you're paying for a service anyway.

At our age, you dont have relationships, you have agreements.

 

[SW15]

The article has an interesting perspective. It is co-written by three academics affiliated with the University of Virginia, a public university that could be called a "party school" per our famous party school thread.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

Median age at first marriage is rising for both men and women.

The most desirable men who women want to marry have greater vaginal abundance than they had 20, 30, or 40 years ago. That gives them less of an incentive to settle down with one woman. Meanwhile, middle tier men who were considered marriageable 20, 30, or 40 years ago are more ignored. A lot of these middle tier men are good men who women are ignoring as they are chasing Chad Thundercoccks.

I think there are plenty of good men out there and men with potential. A lot of these good men and men with good potential are middle tier men getting ignored by women and then they eventually turn to porno tube websites, OnlyFans subscriptions, alcohol, drugs, and video games.

 

[MatureDJ]

Guys that want virgins to that degree are afraid because they don't compare well in the bedroom to other guys and want to eliminate that by finding a woman that doesn't know that they suck in bed.

This is why cultures have developed stories about women learning things that they shouldn't, causing chaos in the world - e.g., Eve, Pandora.

 

[MatureDJ]

The most desirable men who women want to marry have greater vaginal abundance than they had 20, 30, or 40 years ago. That gives them less of an incentive to settle down with one woman. Meanwhile, middle tier men who were considered marriageable 20, 30, or 40 years ago are more ignored. A lot of these middle tier men are good men who women are ignoring as they are chasing Chad Thundercoccks.

It's OVER for VaginalShortageCels.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

The article has an interesting perspective. It is co-written by three academics affiliated with the University of Virginia, a public university that could be called a "party school" per our famous party school thread.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

Median age at first marriage is rising for both men and women.

The most desirable men who women want to marry have greater vaginal abundance than they had 20, 30, or 40 years ago. That gives them less of an incentive to settle down with one woman. Meanwhile, middle tier men who were considered marriageable 20, 30, or 40 years ago are more ignored. A lot of these middle tier men are good men who women are ignoring as they are chasing Chad Thundercoccks.

I think there are plenty of good men out there and men with potential. A lot of these good men and men with good potential are middle tier men getting ignored by women and then they eventually turn to porno tube websites, OnlyFans subscriptions, alcohol, drugs, and video games.

Those men probably get so annoyed or emotionally hurt from such thing that they probably make a point not to commit at all later on once women "realize that they exist".

Also they get quite capable to recognize genuine interest toward them personally compared to random interest in just settle down from women.

While this situation is everywhere in the western world, it started in Italy way earlier compared to other places where hypergamy was on roids since mid 20th century...needless to say that italians begun marrying late or not marrying at all decades earlier than other.
Many even went to seek wives abroad mostly in eastern europe.

Needless to say its a messed up demographics with a single pandemic since mid 80s.

 

[SW15]

Women often say "Where Have All the Good Men Gone?" when they are in their 30s/40s and not getting attention from men they deem as most desirable? Women's words are meaningless.

Watch how women act. Women ignore plenty of good men when chasing top tier men often called "Chads".

Women don't want good men when they are in their primes and even post prime. They want exciting men who make their vaginas tingle.