Always the Forbidden Fruit

[Latinoman]

LOL....

Well, I hit her up about my "nice clean sheets" and asked if she wanted to stop by for a drink. She countered with Friday since her brother is in town for a few more days.

Of course there is no guarantee she will follow through, and even if I fukk her silly you're still gonna call me an AFC and say "she only fukked him for his LIFESTYLE!" and "She's a low quality hor!" lol

Finally starting to get some time off work and as a result I'm starting to get my social life back on track. I even got a substantial unexpected financial "windfall" recently. I just went through the worst 18 moths of my life and it finally looks like things are going to be ok.

On that note.....my posts are receiving a less and less friendly welcome as time goes by. I've cut back on the posting recently and I really knew better than to write this up in the first place, so I'm thinking it's time to sink back into the shadows......

I for one I'm glad you did not phuck a drunk woman.

Phucking her means nothing! Because your issue is your complains for the lack of "quality women" out there. And in order for you to fix that situation, you have to make a change. You sound very unhappy.

Follow my advice for six months and report back to me. Do NOT "host" any more parties at your place. Continue with your lifestyle, if that's what you want. But stop HOSTING. At the end, you will trim out the leeches (sp?) and oportunists from your life.

 

[Latinoman]

STR8UP...my real concern is that there are people out there taking advantage of you.

That's all.

I don't care if you phuck a woman or if you don't. I don't care if you go through a dry-spell. Lot of men in here experience the same.

But I HATE when people leech on others. And those people are leeching on you. Stop HOSTING parties/get-together at your place. Then and ONLY then you will see who are TRULY your friends. Because when things go sour...those are the only people you are going to have to trust.

 

[Desdinova]

But STR8UP also posts about how unhappy he is in life especially with women, and is outlook on them is so dismal.

Of course it's not women who are generally undesirable, there's just something really wrong with STR8UP. Women are generally fantastic, because iqqi is fantastic!

No Des, you're WRONG. I'm not fantastic.

I've met and dated many women. Filtering out the garbage on the initial meet is a huge task. Dating filters out the women who don't show their true colors on the first meet. LTRs can filter out the women who have bad habits and secrets that you only know by spending time with them.

Dating is like throwing tons of women in a huge sieve, letting them fall through and see what's left inside. Then, you shake it around and see if the others fall through. Then you start all over again and repeat as necessary.

 

[iqqi]

Dating is like throwing tons of women in a huge sieve, letting them fall through and see what's left inside. Then, you shake it around and see if the others fall through. Then you start all over again and repeat as necessary.

But STR8UP keeps adding the same ingrediants. And he wonders why he never gets anything different.

And yes, Des, I am fantastic.

 

[Desdinova]

But STR8UP keeps adding the same ingrediants.

Please name the ingredients.

 

[STR8UP]

STR8UP...my real concern is that there are people out there taking advantage of you.

I know it might be hard to believe, but I have been through so much in dealing with people over the years I've gotten pretty good at spotting their motives.

The undercurrent beneath every interaction with another human is "what can you do for me". If it's a MUTUALLY beneficial relationship, it can work. If one party is simply taking advantage of another, you can get taken advantage of.

I am very careful about not letting people make a habit of crashing at my place, especially since I moved into the loft. But I live in the center of the entire metro area, and this is where people come when they go out, so I understand that it is inevitable that it will happen from time to time, and I don't really mind as long as it's not a regular deal. Hell, it probably only happens once every three months. No big deal.

The latina chick.....if I said that it was ONLY my looks and charming personality that attracted her to me I would be lying. I would bet that I at least meet her minimum criteria for looks, (I think she might even have a "thing" for white guys, hehe), but I would bet that part of her attraction stems from my status.

And you know what? That's the way things work. That's why men work to achieve status. That doesn't mean she is "using" me, and it doesn't mean that she doesn't like me for "me".

I know a guy who just turned 25. He just started a promotion business, where he promotes bike nights and events at bars and clubs.

This guy is cool, but there is no doubt that he is "using" me in a way. And that's ok too, cause I can spot it a mile away and as such he can't take advantage of me. We have a good time hanging out, but he uses MY status to boost HIS status. No big deal, cause I've gotten some pu$$y from a girl he knows, and like I said we have a good time hanging out. My status gets boosted by him talking me up, his status gets boosted by his association to me....it's a win-win situation. If he goes downtown and needs a place to crash (he might have ONCE) he is welcome. If I go to a BBQ at his place and can't drive, he would let me stay.

I don't go into an interaction with another person unless it's mutually beneficial. As soon as I see otherwise, it's cut off.

 

[ketostix]

I know it might be hard to believe, but I have been through so much in dealing with people over the years I've gotten pretty good at spotting their motives.

I agree. You don't seem gullible or naive. I don't get where a few people think that you are.

The undercurrent beneath every interaction with another human is "what can you do for me". If it's a MUTUALLY beneficial relationship, it can work. If one party is simply taking advantage of another, you can get taken advantage of.

Yep :yes: . And this is where those people that argue that you need to hang out with higher "quality" people are being naive. Everyone is asking the question "what can you do for me?".

I am very careful about not letting people make a habit of crashing at my place, especially since I moved into the loft. But I live in the center of the entire metro area, and this is where people come when they go out, so I understand that it is inevitable that it will happen from time to time, and I don't really mind as long as it's not a regular deal. Hell, it probably only happens once every three months. No big deal.

If you're ever looking to get laid then your going to have girls and drunk ones "crashing" at your place occasionally. This is how a majority of ONS go down for most people. I don't see what the argument is. As long as you're not just letting a bunch of people crash at your place and drinking your liquor and you're getting something out of it, then what's the issue?

The latina chick.....if I said that it was ONLY my looks and charming personality that attracted her to me I would be lying. I would bet that I at least meet her minimum criteria for looks, (I think she might even have a "thing" for white guys, hehe), but I would bet that part of her attraction stems from my status.

And you know what? That's the way things work. That's why men work to achieve status. That doesn't mean she is "using" me, and it doesn't mean that she doesn't like me for "me".

Exactly. That's how thing work. A guy expecting girls to be attracted to him without status is like a fat, ugly girl expecting guys to be attracted to her just for her "personality".

 

[Latinoman]

I agree. You don't seem gullible or naive. I don't get where a few people think that you are.

I am 10 years older than you. And have been around...a lot more than many people my age. Very few people get taken for $150,000 (not once...but TWICE). Add the other drama.

Yep :yes: . And this is where those people that argue that you need to hang out with higher "quality" people are being naive. Everyone is asking the question "what can you do for me?".

I am not naive. But when a 36 year old man CONSTANTLY complains about the amount of "low quality" women out there...and then goes on saying he parties with drunks, cheaters, swingers, and strippers...I don't know...but it does not take a genius.

If you're ever looking to get laid then your going to have girls and drunk ones "crashing" at your place occasionally. This is how a majority of ONS go down for most people. I don't see what the argument is. As long as you're not just letting a bunch of people crash at your place and drinking your liquor and you're getting something out of it, then what's the issue?

I don't get into ONS with DRUNKS. That's AFC and in some instances can get the person in trouble (rape accusations). And he is getting NOTHING.

Exactly. That's how thing work. A guy expecting girls to be attracted to him without status is like a fat, ugly girl expecting guys to be attracted to her just for her "personality".

I was getting laid as much (perhaps more) when I was unemployed few years ago as I have when I was making six figures. And HOSTING parties does not make a status out of anyone. His status should be based on his accomplishments. The CONSTANTLY hosting parties...is in a way...a cry for attention. He is very desperate for acceptance.

I don't host parties...I get laid. Heck, I'm in a relationship with a good woman right now. If I can do it...ANYONE can do it.

 

[STR8UP]

If you're ever looking to get laid then your going to have girls and drunk ones "crashing" at your place occasionally. This is how a majority of ONS go down for most people. I don't see what the argument is. As long as you're not just letting a bunch of people crash at your place and drinking your liquor and you're getting something out of it, then what's the issue?

To be honest I do go through a decent amount of liquor since I have people stopping by once every week or two before we go out, but it just kind of comes with the territory living right in the action. And to be honest...dollar wise my friends MORE than make up for it buying me drinks when we are out.

 

[STR8UP]

I am 10 years older than you. And have been around...a lot more than many people my age. Very few people get taken for $150,000 (not once...but TWICE). Add the other drama.

Okay we need to back up a moment here.

First off, I'm a player. Not in the sense of picking up women, but in a business sense.

Not a whole lot of folks play in the hundreds of thousands or the millions category when it comes to money. And anyone who DOES play in that ballpark (for large gains) had better be prepared to lose a lot more than you gain as you find your groove.

I don't buy mutual funds and invest in a 401k's, my money moves in and out of real estate and business ventures. I don't know your situation but from what I gather you aren't in the same position as I am, therefore you really don't have the proper perspective to allow you to comment on this.

Have I made mistakes? Absolutely. One of them was trusting a childhood friend (who had never given me any indication that I couldn't trust him) unconditionally. Will I ever make that mistake again? Of course not.

Why the hell do you think I'll be the first to tell you that you gotta watch your back AT ALL TIMES?

Throwing this stuff in my face does nothing to lend credibility to your argument that I am a poor judge of character, because you don't play the same game I do, and therefore cannot understand it completely even if I go into detail.

I am not naive. But when a 36 year old man CONSTANTLY complains about the amount of "low quality" women out there...and then goes on saying he parties with drunks, cheaters, swingers, and strippers...I don't know...but it does not take a genius.

-Most of my friends do drink, but NONE are "drunks".

-MOST people cheat, and most of the time the rest of the world is clueless.

-I have met swingers (if you can even call them that) through friends, but I only see them once in a while, I don't call them up to hang out. One person I DO hang out with from time to time (the one whose wife showed me her hooha) I often purposely avoid spending time with because we are just different people. He helps me out with work stuff though, so I am kind of obligated.

-I have NEVER socialized with strippers outside of a work setting. The closest was when a couple of them were at a birthday dinner awhile back.

See how you take everything out of context?

And HOSTING parties does not make a status out of anyone. His status should be based on his accomplishments. The CONSTANTLY hosting parties...is in a way...a cry for attention. He is very desperate for acceptance.

A cry for attention....lol. You usually bring up valid points but this is so off base I'm beginning to wonder if I can take anything you say seriously. Seriously dude, I might host one real party per year. I have people over from time to time, but I don't have parties every weekend or even every month.

And as such, my status has NOOOOOTHING to do with hosting parties. Have you been paying attention the past few years? :nono: My status comes from owning a WELL KNOWN BUSINESS that is seen and remembered by MANY PEOPLE because of the crazy TV commercials, and also the fact that people know that I am a mover and shaker in business and real estate.

I don't host parties...I get laid. Heck, I'm in a relationship with a good woman right now. If I can do it...ANYONE can do it.

I hate to point this out, but you are a serial boyfriend who is calling ME an AFC. There's something wrong with that.

You bragged about your girlfriend dumping you and having another one less than two weeks later. And from what I gathered that's pretty much what you do. To me, that's not healthy. That's what branch swinging monkeys do.

 

[edger]

I was getting laid as much (perhaps more) when I was unemployed few years ago as I have when I was making six figures.

Truth be told. I see and hear about these situations often with guys. And these are dudes who are bagging hot women. So much for a lousy "status" tag there, eh?

Anyway, all I'll say is this: Anyone who has to rely on their "status" to feel complete in life, secure, and bases their existence upon it, is pathetic.

 

[Latinoman]

Truth be told. I see and hear about these situations often with guys. And these are dudes who are bagging hot women. So much for a lousy "status" tag there, eh?

Anyway, all I'll say is this: Anyone who has to rely on their "status" to feel complete in life, secure, and bases their existence upon it, is pathetic.

Exactly.

I agree...very pathetic.

 

[STR8UP]

Anyway, all I'll say is this: Anyone who has to rely on their "status" to feel complete in life, secure, and bases their existence upon it, is pathetic.

I hate to break it to you, but when you talk like this you sound EXACTLY like most of the 30 something women I know who cry and moan about younger women.

If you perceived yourself to have "status" you wouldn't be knocking it. Same as if an older woman had "youth" she wouldn't be yapping away about "all those young bimbos who give it up on the first date and ruin it for us older women who are more choosy". :crackup:

Right now I'm laughing at you the same as I laugh at all these older broads who try to belittle their competition, and the same as my business competitors who tell customers that I sell "used products" because they can't beat my prices. Funny stuff.

That said, I'm a whole PACKAGE. Most people with status have many OTHER attractive traits that helped them obtain status in the first place.

 

[edger]

I hate to break it to you, but when you talk like this you sound EXACTLY like most of the 30 something women I know who cry and moan about younger women.

If you perceived yourself to have "status" you wouldn't be knocking it. Same as if an older woman had "youth" she wouldn't be yapping away about "all those young bimbos who give it up on the first date and ruin it for us older women who are more choosy". :crackup:

Right now I'm laughing at you the same as I laugh at all these older broads who try to belittle their competition, and the same as my business competitors who tell customers that I sell "used products" because they can't beat my prices. Funny stuff.

That said, I'm a whole PACKAGE. Most people with status have many OTHER attractive traits that helped them obtain status in the first place.

Yikes, looks like I struck a chord. Could that be because I've spoken the truth? Gee, I wonder. Listen guy, I'm not here to argue in the silly world of Str8up anymore. I've learned not too. Latinoman agreed with me, I don't see you stepping up to the plate with him. Hah, funny sh*t.

"I don't perceive myself to have status". Just because I've talked about status in the past, and now mentioned it in this thread, in the mind of Str8up, it means I don't perveive myself to have "status". I hate to break it to ya though, but I do perceive myself to have a "status". Latinoman, according to what he say's, has a "status", yet he's in agreeance with my post, which must mean he must not perceive himself to have "status" either according to you? But that's right, you won't say that, you're unable to step up to the plate with him. Comical. All I said was anyone who has to rely on their "status" to feel complete in life, secure, and bases their existence upon it, is pathetic. Where in that sentence did I knock it? Nowhere.

Whatever you say dude, I told you, I'm not here to argue with you.

 

[STR8UP]

Latinoman agreed with me, I don't see you stepping up to the plate with him.

I was addressing the person who posted. It goes for anyone who thinks the same way.

See, the thing is, you start out by making a comment that was off base. I don't use my status ONLY to attract women. It's a part of who I am and I EMBRACE it, and just the same as a guy who is really attractive shouldn't be downplaying THAT attribute, I'm not going to downplay my status either. Actually, I don't play it UP at all, and I really could do so to my advantage if I were so inclined.

So your post came off as a personal attack. I was then guilty of taking your post out of context with my response.

My sticking point here is that it really isn't possible for a person with status to rely on that ALONE to get women, because unlike looks or some other specific trait, there are many ingredients that a person with status possesses that are attractive to the opposite sex. You CAN'T rely on that one thing because there are so many facets to it that make up the person behind it.

In other words, a person with status generally has confidence and such. It's a whole package of goodies that are attractive to a woman that are a result of and also responsible for the creation of status.

Make sense?

You basically called me out on something that was incorrect, and I took your post out of context when responding.

But I still stand firm in that people who talk down on something generally perceive themselves to be lacking in that area.

 

[Latinoman]

My sticking point here is that it really isn't possible for a person with status to rely on that ALONE to get women, because unlike looks or some other specific trait, there are many ingredients that a person with status possesses that are attractive to the opposite sex. You CAN'T rely on that one thing because there are so many facets to it that make up the person behind it.

In other words, a person with status generally has confidence and such. It's a whole package of goodies that are attractive to a woman that are a result of and also responsible for the creation of status.

Do you know why many men that have "status", manage to be married with a desireable woman...or at least find a desireable woman for a girlfriend? A lot of us do.

But...what happens when that "status" goes away? A person loses his job or business or fame.

Many times the ones that end up dumped (by wife or girlfriend) or cheated (by wife or girlfriend)...are the ones that relied on their "status" to get those women interested on them. These are the ones that used false confidence to get those women interested on them. Because a man which confidence is based on his status, is a man that will collapse when things don't go his way.

True confidence can be better measured when how we act when things are not going our way. If you are struggling through life and you manage to get your 3-5 children and wife to have ZERO concern because they trust you are going to provide them with the security they need...that's in my eyes is what a man with TRUE confidence brings to the table. He brings the trust of those he leads.

Being a TRUE Alpha man is the loneliest thing in life as a TRUE Alpha man make the toughest decisions...the decisions that might impact how others might view him...but at the end...the best decision nevertheless. When I left my wife...I knew I made the correct decision. People talked crap about me for making that decision...but it was the correct one. Time is proving me right.

I have a LOT more respect for the man that cleans my office than some of the big shot I meet throughout life.

When I talk with women...I NEVER bring my work position or salary or who I meet with as part of my job. And if the topic arise...that's something I rather keep low key. For all I care...they can view me as the gardener or landscaping guy. It is irrelevant to me what others think about me.

My job does NOT define me as a Man. My salary does NOT define me as a Man. My home does NOT define me as a Man. Because if I ever lose any of those things...my Masculinity should remain the same. Sure...I focus in my career, because that is something I take serious. But it is not going to define me.

This is how we are very different...you rely on your "status" to swim in the sea of life. I rely on my "character" to do the same. But here is the beauty...you and I can lose our status by simply losing our means of making $$$. But our character?

 

[iqqi]

This is how we are very different...you rely on your "status" to swim in the sea of life. I rely on my "character" to do the same. But here is the beauty...you and I can lose our status by simply losing our means of making $$$. But our character?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner here.


I don't think STR8UP even lacks character. But he values status. NOT character. And that is evident in the choices he makes in friends and his lifestyle. All his threads point to all these status things, and low character ppl. Its like he refuses to see the correlation. Also, other guys who share his viewpoint, are the same way. Probably headed down the same path.

Those of us who constantly point this out to STR8UP are probably in the camp that values character over status, to the point where we believe you don't even need status to land a worthy babe. Ludicrous! Yells STR8UP and Keto. That's fairytale talk!

So STR8UP continues down his path that is laced with fool's gold, that bright and shiny line that he continues to follow, and all the while he laments the soul-less entities guiding his way.

 

[ketostix]

Those of us who constantly point this out to STR8UP are probably in the camp that values character over status, to the point where we believe you don't even need status to land a worthy babe. Ludicrous! Yells STR8UP and Keto. That's fairytale talk!

Because it is ludricrous. Now you are arguing girls like men of character. I guess they don't like "bad" boys after all. I'm not trying to point fingers but why would I believe Latinoman or whoever else has any more character than a guy with status anyway. Honestly women don't care about character per se. I know a lot more guys of good character doing poorly with women and guys with poor character doing well. It's about status.

And the funny thing is you're just not getting it and confusing the issue. Str8up has explained several times that status doesn't mean you have a certain amount of income or own x,y,z. He made it clear it's about having the properties of being able to be successful. Now this could be identified as character. I wouldn't call it character, but having the traits is what matters. Bottom line, I think some people are arguing over semantic just to be disagreeing.

You have people say looks don't matter and status and money don't matter, age doesn't matter. Then you start to wonder just what does matter, and if none of that matters, then why do so many guys have difficulty scoring attractive girls. Then they'll say it's all about "character", or attitude, or game. The thing is it's about all that, but without the necessary looks and status, women aren't going to even notice your character, attitude and game or even care.

 

[iqqi]

Because it is ludricrous. Now you are arguing girls like men of character. I guess they don't like "bad" boys after all.

No, Keto. I am saying SOME women like men of character. And SOME like bad boys. Which one of those types of woman do you think has more character themselves? I know STR8UP may never know, because he keeps dangling his shiny sparkly "status" out as his main point of value. And so he is going to keep getting the women who are attracted to shiny sparkly status. Not the ones who are more interested in character.

Your choices define you.

 

[ketostix]

No, Keto. I am saying SOME women like men of character. And SOME like bad boys. Which one of those types of woman do you think has more character themselves? I know STR8UP may never know, because he keeps dangling his shiny sparkly "status" out as his main point of value. And so he is going to keep getting the women who are attracted to shiny sparkly status. Not the ones who are more interested in character.

Your choices define you.

Well I just disagree with your premise that a guy's character is a main motivator for women. And I disagree with your premise that there's all these women of character out there-it's continuum. Of course you think women are so great in character. They're not, but instead of accepting the message you want to blame the messenger.