Always the Forbidden Fruit

[potato]

Well I just disagree with your premise that a guy's character is a main motivator for women.

It seems to me that women make value judgments of a man as to his character far more than men even make the same value in character observations. Whereas when men talk about women the talk tends to center around her physical attractiveness and sexual desirability, women, when talking about men, tend to talk of characteristics of character - such as a man’s honesty, his responsibleness, how fun he is to be around… in conjunction with his hotness.

It also seems to me that most women would prefer a man that they can feel proud of. A woman in love will be the strongest defender of her man’s character. For some women, the promise of a better lifestyle can help gloss over certain character flaws.

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A man doesn’t have to show his car, his house, or reveal his income to demonstrate his wealth. If you watch at most any social gathering establishment it quickly becomes apparent who has the most disposable income. You can see it in jewelry – like necklaces, rings, and watches – in the quality of one’s clothing, the way one tips and treats the hired help, and the way ones holds one’s self up to those around them. There are all manner of clues to help decide. Those women who are after men of wealth as a way of life betterment know exactly which men to try for. Other women can be turned off by such displays as perhaps cheapening of one’s value to one’s monetary worth.

Often one’s character can bring more happiness to another than money can buy.

 

[LoneSilver]

I hate generalizations when it comes to assuming someones wealth it's like saying all models are great fukks.

Many wealthy live low key lives and have no need for vanity believe me I know what I am talking about.


LoneSilver

, A man doesn’t have to show his car, his house, or reveal his income to demonstrate his wealth. If you watch at most any social gathering establishment it quickly becomes apparent who has the most disposable income. You can see it in jewelry – like necklaces, rings, and watches – in the quality of one’s clothing, the way one tips and treats the hired help, and the way ones holds one’s self up to those around them. There are all manner of clues to help decide. Those women who are after men of wealth as a way of life betterment know exactly which men to try for.

 

[ketostix]

It seems to me that women make value judgments of a man as to his character far more than men even make the same value in character observations. Whereas when men talk about women the talk tends to center around her physical attractiveness and sexual desirability, women, when talking about men, tend to talk of characteristics of character - such as a man’s honesty, his responsibleness, how fun he is to be around… in conjunction with his hotness.

It also seems to me that most women would prefer a man that they can feel proud of. A woman in love will be the strongest defender of her man’s character. For some women, the promise of a better lifestyle can help gloss over certain character flaws.

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A man doesn’t have to show his car, his house, or reveal his income to demonstrate his wealth. If you watch at most any social gathering establishment it quickly becomes apparent who has the most disposable income. You can see it in jewelry – like necklaces, rings, and watches – in the quality of one’s clothing, the way one tips and treats the hired help, and the way ones holds one’s self up to those around them. There are all manner of clues to help decide. Those women who are after men of wealth as a way of life betterment know exactly which men to try for. Other women can be turned off by such displays as perhaps cheapening of one’s value to one’s monetary worth.

Often one’s character can bring more happiness to another than money can buy.

Potato you make women out to be omniscient and infallible in their judgement of men. They are not. Women tend to think binary and subjectively. Either you meet the threshold of attraction with the woman or you don't. If you make the cut, she reframes your negatives into postives. If you don't meet the threshold, she'll reframe objective postives into negatives. A woman's judgement of a man is not objective as you are trying to make it out to be.

Men make character judgements of women all the time. But men do it objectively, i.e., she did x,y and z. We do this a lot on this forum. But when we do this we have people like you and iqqi claiming that making character judgements about women is "mysogony!", "bitter!". Do you see my point about women being subjective, as I believe you're a woman? I could just as easily pretend to not judge women's actions and character and people like you would believe "I'm a positive guy..blah blah blah".

 

[Deep Dish]

We should have a DJ convention. Rollo, Karma, and Deep Dish all live close, so the rest of you should head this way for a weekend. That way I can introduce all of the skeptics to my friends so they can see once and for all they aren't a bunch of crack wh0re alcoholic porn stars.

On second thought, I take that back. That might be a little weird.......

But I still want to meet your stripper friends.

 

[STR8UP]

But I still want to meet your stripper friends.

Dish....you're feeding the trolls....

 

[Latinoman]

Which is why this chick will only ever be a booty call, IF that ever happens.

I don't let people like this into my life and call them friends.

My real friends DO NOT take advantage of me. Matter of fact, last night I offered to let one sleep on my couch since he had to work early the next day close to where I live, and he declined because he knows i have no privacy in my new place and didn't want to impose. He is a good friend and owns a mini-mansion....he has no need to take advantage of me.

And that's how the rest of my friends are. Trust me....I've been around long enough to know the score with people.

Exactly.

The "Have a shot of Patron ready, chilled, with a lime, no salt" was pretty phucked up from her part (even if it was a joke).

The guy you described in your quote above is what a TRUE friend would do.

 

[cordoncordon]

Exactly.

The "Have a shot of Patron ready, chilled, with a lime, no salt" was pretty phucked up from her part (even if it was a joke).

The guy you described in your quote above is what a TRUE friend would do.

Yeah, this quote where she is demanding a shot be ready for when she arrives really struck me as arrogant. She feels like she can use you.

For some reason what she says here really pisses me off.

 

[STR8UP]

Yeah, this quote where she is demanding a shot be ready for when she arrives really struck me as arrogant. She feels like she can use you.

For some reason what she says here really pisses me off.

It's a test. A girl who makes her living based upon her appearance can get away with it 95% of the time. Hell, ANY woman who is decent looking can probably get away with it most of the time.

Point is, if you fall for something like this you might as well write her off cause that's what she's gonna do to you.

I always make a game of it. I don't tell them "no", I just ask them what's in it for me. If she can't be SPECIFIC (as was in this case), I tell her that we will talk about it when she shows me what I get out of the deal.

Yea, this is a more blatant and somewhat arrogant move on a woman's part, but the hotter the woman the more likely she is to try to pull something like this.