Abundance is the most important factor

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I think one issue with abundance and plate spinning philosophy is that while its great to deal with reducing neediness and also introduces you to a variety of options, you will never learn to manage conflict with women if you aggressively NEXT them to quickly.

I look at women in a sense like a portfolio. I've been married a long time but the marriage went south so i invest almost nothing in to it as its a stock whose value has dropped dramatically.

With the new women i see, i evaluate them on potential. Short term, potential long term.

I've had lots of sex and girlfriends in my time so i think what i look for is who would be a net positive in my life long term. Right now my focus is mainly on my daughter, my career is already pretty set so its just saving and investing.

Look at women as investments. You can totally sell off and trade the bad ones, but try to learn something from all of them. Sometimes there is a right girl at the wrong time, wrong girl at the right time, wrong girl at the wrong time, its rare to find the right girl at the right time, but it happens. Enjoy what you learn from all of them. Try to leave them better than you found them.
 

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Abundance is a mindset - it’s a continuously reinforcing belief that you can achieve at any point in life - be it at grammar school level or later when you’re a single parent like me and you start realizing that smashing attractive college students is actually a possibility.

Abundance is also more than just women - any time you realize that you’re abundant, you will more naturally be confident and not force outcomes - which is how attraction works in all social dynamics, because nobody likes to be forced into decisions.

Try having someone in front of you be unsure about a potential $50,000 commission you could make with a swipe of their pen and tell them that you’re good either way, you want what’s best for them - that is what abundance looks like.
 

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The mentality of abundance should come when it’s natural. In low times, I’ve tried portraying abundance when it really wasn’t there and I struggled. I had the mindset but it didn’t come off natural or believable. When you truly have options, you are more bold, nonchalant, and thus more confident and attractive. There is also a lot less thinking, things just happen naturally (because they are). Anyhow, all I’m saying is that you should keep as many girls in your obit as you can. BTW women probably have twice as many as you do.
Agreed. Anyone who says it's a mindset probably already has allot of options and doesn't know what they are talking about.
 

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Agreed. Anyone who says it's a mindset probably already has allot of options and doesn't know what they are talking about.
You either believe in yourself no matter what the situation, or you don’t. Positive feedback increases your belief, negative experiences when in a confident mindset are opportunities to learn. Options increase from feeling abundant, which leads to detachment from tying outcomes to one’s esteem, which is the ultimate sign of confidence, and which is a mindset. It’s when you’re not feeling that way, that you force outcomes, which repels others.

Were you the guy talking about not getting hugs? You’re not a good authority on this. Your posts are neon flashing signs of scarcity.

You would do well to humble yourself, try to do things differently and stop striking out so much. Go work out. Go take a walk or call a friend. Do something that brings good vibes into your life. Improve your mood, to improve your appetite to try new things and take risk, to improve your results. Fake it til you make it was not invented today on SoSuave.
 
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I think one issue with abundance and plate spinning philosophy is that while its great to deal with reducing neediness and also introduces you to a variety of options, you will never learn to manage conflict with women if you aggressively NEXT them to quickly.

I look at women in a sense like a portfolio. I've been married a long time but the marriage went south so i invest almost nothing in to it as its a stock whose value has dropped dramatically.

With the new women i see, i evaluate them on potential. Short term, potential long term.

I've had lots of sex and girlfriends in my time so i think what i look for is who would be a net positive in my life long term. Right now my focus is mainly on my daughter, my career is already pretty set so its just saving and investing.

Look at women as investments. You can totally sell off and trade the bad ones, but try to learn something from all of them. Sometimes there is a right girl at the wrong time, wrong girl at the right time, wrong girl at the wrong time, its rare to find the right girl at the right time, but it happens. Enjoy what you learn from all of them. Try to leave them better than you found them.
It goes both ways. Broads will "next" us at the drop of a hat (especially with how easy apps have made it for a broad to "next" us)
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

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The mentality of abundance should come when it’s natural. In low times, I’ve tried portraying abundance when it really wasn’t there and I struggled. I had the mindset but it didn’t come off natural or believable. When you truly have options, you are more bold, nonchalant, and thus more confident and attractive. There is also a lot less thinking, things just happen naturally (because they are). Anyhow, all I’m saying is that you should keep as many girls in your obit as you can. BTW women probably have twice as many as you do.
Conversely, if you don't have the ability to cultivate abundance on a whim, would having a few "plates" really give you abundance or would it just give you a false sense of security that turns into insecurity if/when they all drop off?

I would maintain abundance is ultimately just the same thing as indifference or outcome independance.
 

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You either believe in yourself no matter what the situation, or you don’t. Positive feedback increases your belief, negative experiences when in a confident mindset are opportunities to learn. Options increase from feeling abundant, which leads to detachment from tying outcomes to one’s esteem, which is the ultimate sign of confidence, and which is a mindset. It’s when you’re not feeling that way, that you force outcomes, which repels others.

Were you the guy talking about not getting hugs? You’re not a good authority on this. Your posts are neon flashing signs of scarcity.

You would do well to humble yourself, try to do things differently and stop striking out so much. Go work out. Go take a walk or call a friend. Do something that brings good vibes into your life. Improve your mood, to improve your appetite to try new things and take risk, to improve your results. Fake it til you make it was not invented today on SoSuave.
You're damn right that it's not productive to force outcomes.

One time, a woman of all people (when I was complaining about the fact the woman I was into/liked to flirt with would give wishy-washy responses when I tried to set up dates) told me "So pester her until she caves"

Even I knew that sounded like the worst idea ever.
 

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You're damn right that it's not productive to force outcomes.

One time, a woman of all people (when I was complaining about the fact the woman I was into/liked to flirt with would give wishy-washy responses when I tried to set up dates) told me "So pester her until she caves"

Even I knew that sounded like the worst idea ever.
Women give bad advice at times. In part because they dont have to develop game and also because they don’t self reflect enough to realize that the advice they give probably wouldn’t work on them
 

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You're damn right that it's not productive to force outcomes.

One time, a woman of all people (when I was complaining about the fact the woman I was into/liked to flirt with would give wishy-washy responses when I tried to set up dates) told me "So pester her until she caves"

Even I knew that sounded like the worst idea ever.
Just be careful on one thing: you must pursue. But effective pursuit captures the attention of your audience in an effort to persuade, and persuasiveness is most effective with push-pull dynamics. Those dynamics are a combination of expressing interest while being visibly, convincingly dissociated from the final outcome. That’s how unspoken confidence is conveyed effectively.
 

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Once you deal with a woman whom you like you realize how easy the game is
A woman who truly likes you will make it easy for you, from texting to hanging out etc
There is no confusion or "Game Playing" etc
Women who like you, will make effort

The problem is most men (especially on here) meet women who have low IL or Medium IL, once you deal with a woman who has real HIGH IL you will never go back to dealing with low IL women again
 

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Once you deal with a woman whom you like you realize how easy the game is
A woman who truly likes you will make it easy for you, from texting to hanging out etc
There is no confusion or "Game Playing" etc
Women who like you, will make effort

The problem is most men (especially on here) meet women who have low IL or Medium IL, once you deal with a woman who has real HIGH IL you will never go back to dealing with low IL women again
This is so damn true. Put that in the SoSuave Book of Gold. Thats really the only kind of woman worth having. The rest are too much work for minimal return.
 

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Women give bad advice at times. In part because they dont have to develop game and also because they don’t self reflect enough to realize that the advice they give probably wouldn’t work on them
Yeah.

Or a 3rd possibility: They think every woman is exactly like they are.

Perhaps the woman who gave me the advice (to pester a woman) likes it when a man pesters her into committing to a date.

Most of the female population, however, would get driven away by pestering (and might even press charges). I'm an autist, yet even I know that.
 

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Just be careful on one thing: you must pursue. But effective pursuit captures the attention of your audience in an effort to persuade, and persuasiveness is most effective with push-pull dynamics. Those dynamics are a combination of expressing interest while being visibly, convincingly dissociated from the final outcome. That’s how unspoken confidence is conveyed effectively.
Hmm, your strategy (express interest while being dissociated from the final outcome) is largely what I do. I'm known to drop hints to a woman without coming out and making a move.

Unfortunately, that hasn't gotten me very far.
 

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The problem is most men (especially on here) meet women who have low IL or Medium IL, once you deal with a woman who has real HIGH IL you will never go back to dealing with low IL women again
It's worse than that. Men will claim that it's "ego" if a man doesn't accept the behaviors from a low IL women, the implication being that you're missing out on the sweet sweet pvssy so why does it matter? Why would any self-respecting man want tolerate disrespectful behavior from a women like that just for pvssy? Would you take on a client in a business partnership who constantly belittles you, misses meetings, doesn't communicate, etc? The entire dating marketing is so fvcked right now in part because men give women too much power and don't call women out because of fear of losing access to sex instead of taking the L.

As you said, once you deal with high IL, compliant, respectful women, it's impossible to want anything less from that point on. I have a buddy who's probably been with 100 women now and he and I both agree it's better to hold out for only the most high IL women, typically you meet one every 2-3 months and it's 100% worth holding out for the high IL women even if it means having a 2-3 month dry spell inbetween them. I think it's a mistake to prioritize sex so much that you don't care about how they treat you. But, if your notch count is under 30-40 or so maybe racking up those initial notches is more important so you'll stop valuing sex so much.
 
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Hmm, your strategy (express interest while being dissociated from the final outcome) is largely what I do. I'm known to drop hints to a woman without coming out and making a move.

Unfortunately, that hasn't gotten me very far.
I never said don’t make a move. Sexual guys get the women.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Agreed. Anyone who says it's a mindset probably already has allot of options and doesn't know what they are talking about.
How do you think they acquired those options? By disliking women and believing no woman is special like a previous poster stated?

Hardly.

It's the opposite of what you posted, it's because they DO know what they are talking about and doing!

It has very little to do with not believing that any woman is special. That sounds bitter and jaded which women can sense and it's not attractive.

It's about internal confidence, knowing your value and what you have to offer. And not being too attached to the outcome which gives you an air of mystery and independence which are attractive especially in early stages.

It's knowing when one doesn't work out, there is another just around the corner even if she's not there just yet.

It's having the confidence knowing she will be. And probably very soon! That is having an abundance mindset.

@Divorced w 3 explained it well, his posts about this are spot on in my opinion and you'd be wise to listen to him and others who believe as he does.
 

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You understand who you're discussing seduction with, yes? You're knocking the wrong door. That's just a storage area for useless PUA garbage and delusional rambling theories. Best find another door to knock on.
I'm not sure what you're saying.

Are you saying that having confidence, knowing your value and as such not being too attached to the outcome is a PUA theory?

Thus, allowing things to play out organically versus pushing for your desired outcome through game-playing and strategies or disliking women.

I'm genuinely confused as I would think pushing for your desired outcome by strategizing or acting like you dislike women sounds more PUA than what I just posted.
 
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How do you think they acquired those options? By disliking women and believing no woman is special like a previous poster stated?

Hardly.

It's the opposite of what you posted, it's because they DO know what they are talking about and doing!

It has very little to do with not believing that any woman is special. That sounds bitter and jaded which women can sense and it's not attractive.

It's about internal confidence, knowing your value and what you have to offer. And not being too attached to the outcome which gives you an air of mystery and independence which are attractive especially in early stages.

It's knowing when one doesn't work out, there is another just around the corner even if she's not there just yet.

It's having the confidence knowing she will be. And probably very soon! That is having an abundance mindset.

@Divorced w 3 explained it well, his posts about this are spot on in my opinion and you'd be wise to listen to him and others who believe as he does.
Tell em Sonic
 

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