zekko said:
Peaks expects the woman to "police herself" and if a guy comes around who makes her gina tingle or whatever, then he expects her not to hang out with her. If he's a weak Herbert, apparently it's okay.
Looks like Zekko has just confirmed for us that his boundary is used to "control his woman" and to "contain her" since he is the "policeman" policing all of his woman's activities. That is pathetic and very beta.
I've said this from the get go about these boundary guys. Glad he has just confirmed that for us in his own words.
Apparently Zekko can't figure out that his woman can still hang out with the men she talks to on the phone that makes her "gina" tingle without him knowing even though he set his boundary.
Tell me something Zekko...if your woman is totally incapable of "policing herself" who does the "policing" for her when you aren't around to "police her"?
dasein said:
Guru said somewhere in this monstrosity that (para) he pities people who enter into ANY relationship in life with expectations without negotiating those expectations.
Well Guru isn't much of a "guru" when he writes this garbage and you believe in his fallacies such as this.
"Verbal negotiations and expectations" are made each day while men get fvcked over in the process.
Women can "verbally agree" to be faithful one day and fvck another guy the next day. What good is your verbal "expectations" and "negotiations" when women can easily dismiss them?
Women, family, friends, business partners, strangers can still screw you over with just "verbal negotiations and expectations" when they don't take them seriously as you do.
You can take your relationship super seriously. When the woman isn't taking it as seriously as you your "expectations" and "negotiations" don't mean $hit.
dasein said:
Women, business, family, friends, cops, robbers. People who do not exercise rational efforts at controlling their negotiations, and EVERYTHING IS A NEGOTIATION, deserve exactly what they will get in the long run, a life that "runs" them instead of a life they run.
Everything is a negotiation eh? False.
Robbers? WTF?
So are you telling me a robber is going to knock on your door and negotiate the terms of the robbery to you in a detailed explanation before he commits the crime? LMAO. Or is he going to sneak in at night and take all your stuff without you knowing?
That's just like your beta and delusional mind set with women.
Is your woman going to negotiate the terms of her cheating on you with how she plans on having sex with another man going into a big detailed explanation? Or is she going to sneak around behind your back and bang him when you're not the wiser?
Just cause you conduct "negotiations" and have "expectations" of a woman that doesn't mean she will follow "the rules" and will live up to them.
dasein said:
A short boundaries talk when she presses for exclusivity is for you, your convenience, your avoiding drama, your getting back to the unexclusive condition rapidly and conveniently that you should rationally want as a man with options.
You and the rest of the boundary crew have no other options. That's why you are trying to lock down your only option to the boundary to control her so she doesn't stray.
If you guys had many options you wouldn't give a $hit about boundaries or what she "might do" cause you can drop her in one second for another woman if she misbehaves for your many other options.
Discussing "relationship terms" with her before the relationship when her interest is high doesn't matter when her interest fades weeks later and she is into another man. You're still going to have the drama that she brings that won't be avoidable. Your "little talk" you have before will not eliminate any drama when she brings it. What an idiot!
zekko said:
For those of us who do NOT tolerate our women hanging out with male friends, then we might mention it.
It doesn't matter that you do NOT tolerate your women hanging out with male friends. She will hang out them if she wants to no matter what expectations you have of her or how many terms you defined to her.
You said you have no problem with her talking to male friends and orbiters on the phone.
But you have no clue that she can still hang out with them without you knowing even though you don't tolerate her doing that.
zekko said:
Now I think that my expectation of "no hanging out with male friends one on one" is much simpler and easier for the girl to do, than to run every guy she meets through a filter and then decide if he is a threat to the relationship or not. Especially when you throw women's emotions into the mix.
Zekko is clueless again to the fact his woman could have already hung out with "a male friend one on one" without him knowing making his expectations and boundary useless since he lets her talk to her male friends on the phone.
TarantulaHawk said:
Sooli have you ever had to dump one of your high value yes women who just know and why? Or do they dump you?
Looks like you have that backwards.
You and your boundary buddies have the "yes" women cause you need them to say "yes" to all "your terms" cause you're too scared of losing them to other men in the relationship.
The point is women will still break "relationship terms" after agreeing to them cause all women have free will unless they are being totally controlled by you. Not sure why you and your buddies can't understand that simple concept of reality.
Every girlfriend I had knew what an "exclusive relationship" meant and I didn't have to inform them like you guys do and the relationships ended not cause they broke "boundaries".
TarantulaHawk said:
I asked Sooli. But thanks for answering for him.
If he had dumped her for any reason without a word than she obviously broke a boundary in his exclusive relationship that she should have just "known" not to do according to the type of high value women he claims to get due to his high value.
What a bunch of ignorant nonsense LOL..
Obviously you never been in a relationship before or always have been cheated on cause you have no idea that relationships don't have to end due to a woman breaking a "boundary".
TarantulaHawk said:
Therefore either soolis value isn't as high as he claims or these high value women he dates don't just "know" just off his high value alone.
I mean sooli is trying to claim the high value women he exclusively dates should "just know"....
I think it's pathetic that you (and the others) feel the need out of fear to tell grown adult women that fvcking other men besides you in an "exclusive relationship" isn't acceptable and you need to "police" all their activities to feel secure about yourself.
You have zero value if you have to tell a woman not to "fvck other men" and keep a woman who wants to stray locked down to your boundaries. Secure confident men of value do not do that. Only weak insecure betas of no value do out of fear.
If a woman doesn't know that fvcking another man while she is in an exclusive relationship with you is wrong and you guys feel the need to inform her of that then you are dating an idiot and you all deserve what you get. That's why all your previous relationships failed.
So you tell your woman you don't tolerate her seeing other men. She knows "your terms".She bangs another guy anyway. What did your little boundary talk accomplish for you by informing her of that?
Not a damn thing!
dasein said:
What's that, three, four years ago? Grats on your long term memory. Too bad about the functional illiteracy though. Do they still make "Hooked on Phonics?" Maybe give that a whirl. Avoid any standardized tests of reading comprehension in the interim.
What part of "not as an attempt to regulate behavior, but as a convenience factor and drama avoider" do you just not get? I didn't read the whole thread, so others may have different reasons for enforcing boundaries, but those are mine. I made that infinitely clear in simple, plain English, so get it right before crafting another wall of drivel in response to something I've posted.
To repeat, people who do not exercise rational efforts at controlling their negotiations, and EVERYTHING IS A NEGOTIATION, deserve exactly what they will get in the long run, a life that "runs" them instead of a life they run.
Another post of yours with no substance. The rest is useles drivel. Have fun negotiating "terms" that she can easily ignore when she doesn't respect you enough. Like that hasn't happened to you before LOL.