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Financially compromising position? You do that every time you buy a car or get a credit card. You are on the hook for the kids no matter what anyway. If she calls the police and says you slapped her then you are going to jail just as fast married or not. BS. That is how broken children are...

Well I know I'm preaching to the choir with you but, I'm not sure a lot know what "alpha" is. It just means to be the leader (same thing in nature), it doesn't mean being a self-centered narcissist or a cartoon character. The dynamic is not between "Alpha & the Woman". The dynamic is between...

I agree with the girl. She has a ticking clock. The clock is real. The wall is real. If she wants family/babies and the guy isn't taking her there,...then time is short, life is short,...dump him. It is no different than a guy dumping a woman because she doesn't share his goals. Advice for...

This doesn't need to be a long thread. She was right. The guy was an idiot. You are probably right about the PUA crap.

I would add that a woman may also do it to a guy she is really into just to verify she isn't making a mistake. But by comparison it may be insignificant and not last or repeat very much. If she is happy with the guy, realizes he isn't like all the other losers, then it all settles down and...

Rollos says they also have a need for Indignation. I guess that means they always have to have something to complain to the GFs about. Then let's not forget PMS and Menopause.

Well I wouldn't want to be an orbiter myself at all. But if my GF/Wife has Obiters I'm more concerned with diagnosing what type they are. But for the most part I'm wouldn't be worried about them

Not all rich are classy, and not all poor are trashy.

Yea, but they aren't quite the same as the "everyday" Orbiter. I think there is more than one kind of Orbiter. There is the "Never going to get in my pants" Orbiter,....then there is the "You're the backup in case my BF/Husband stops keeping me happy" type of Orbiter. I think it is very hard...

That would not make them feel safe and secure. It would make them feel smothered and choked by some sappy guy who is not incontrol of his emotions. He would eventually as annoying, maybe a little disgusting. Being a SIMP isn't what making them feel safe and secure means.

Yeah, I've been catching up on thread details since that post. But my position hasn't changed. The "calling her out" didn't need to be agreesive for it to be "bad". The fact that you did it is all that matters. Again you are expecting her to think like a guy. It isn't about logic.

Come'on man! There is no mystery here. I'm surprised she responded at all. This is no dangling carrots. There is no big evil sinister plan here. She is just reaching out to you. She did exactly what she said. She said she would contact you later. She did exactly that,...2 days later...

Sorry man,...but this is a real mixed bag for me. So, yea, you nipped the whole Friend Zone thing in the bud. I'll give you cudos on that. But the "I called her out" thing is kind of lame. The right way to handle it is just leave it be. There is no "calling out". You kissed her...

You aren't going to change who you are or the society you are in by stepping off a plane after a long flight.

It is plastered with men who ate a couple of meals a day and pooped at least once. It doesn't mean that eating and pooping put them in family court or that the solution is no eating or pooping ever again. They didn't end up in court for making the woman feel safe & secure,...it was for the...

You aren't going to change who you are or the society you are in by stepping off a plane.

Great that you got into reading The Rational Male. But you got a lot of interpretations wrong with your situations you described. It was way more normal and uncomplicated than you tried to make it sound. I don't see any indications of BPD. I just see normal female behavor. Women are emotion...

Smart men respond to a woman who shows interest. They don't go for women where he is invisible to her. Seems like you are invisible to her. You have been in close proximity and she hasn't even acknowledged you exist, yet there is no way she could not have seen you or know you are there. You...

That's pretty much my story too.

So what? The people in the past had less information to go on,...less to work with to figure it out. And they were right. Every generation is worse. It is an ongoing march to destruction that gets closer with each generation. No one who knows what they are talking about ever said that it...