She HAS to be a virgin

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You maybe right. But keep in mind people have been saying this very thing for thousands of years.
So what? The people in the past had less information to go on,...less to work with to figure it out.
Every generation thinks the one after it is "worse" in some way
And they were right. Every generation is worse. It is an ongoing march to destruction that gets closer with each generation. No one who knows what they are talking about ever said that it needed to happen within one generation. One generation isn't that long.
There is also an acceleration factor. The closer you get to the end the faster things happen. Then there are linchpin moments where it makes sudden jumps, but if you are living in that moment you don't recognize the significance. One example of that is the 1960s with the Sexual Revolution,...but people back than never thought we would be in the men -vs- women disaster we are in today because of it. Then the USA exported it world-wide. So the Sexual Revolution went from being a local phenomenon to a global one. There were other things like, the rise and fall of the Greek Empire, the Fall of Rome, the two World Wars, the Fall of the Soviet Union. They were all unexpected and then they just "happened".

The Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years (well over 10 generations), but at year 800 people would have been "poo-poo'ing" the predictions of it's fall saying, "Well it has been going for 800 years just fine and we are still going to keep on going like we always had been". At year 900 they would have been mocking them saying,.."They've been saying this crap for 100 years and we are doing fine! They are just fools!". But the fools were right. Rome would have never lasted that long had they had modern mass media, social media, the Internet, etc. All of those things create an acceleration.
 
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So what? The people in the past had less information to go on,...less to work with to figure it out.

And they were right. Every generation is worse. It is an ongoing march to destruction that gets closer with each generation. No one who knows what they are talking about ever said that it needed to happen within one generation. One generation isn't that long.
There is also an acceleration factor. The closer you get to the end the faster things happen. Then there are linchpin moments where it makes sudden jumps, but if you are living in that moment you don't recognize the significance. One example of that is the 1960s with the Sexual Revolution,...but people back than never thought we would be in the men -vs- women disaster we are in today because of it. Then the USA exported it world-wide. So the Sexual Revolution went from being a local phenomenon to a global one. There were other things like, the rise and fall of the Greek Empire, the Fall of Rome, the two World Wars, the Fall of the Soviet Union. They were all unexpected and then they just "happened".

The Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years (well over 10 generations), but at year 800 people would have been "poo-poo'ing" the predictions of it's fall saying, "Well it has been going for 800 years just fine and we are still going to keep on going like we always had been". At year 900 they would have been mocking them saying,.."They've been saying this crap for 100 years and we are doing fine! They are just fools!". But the fools were right. Rome would have never lasted that long had they had modern mass media, social media, the Internet, etc. All of those things create an acceleration.
I guess it depends on what you are saying is "worse." I agree the US has gotten exponentially worse and we are on a downswing as far as our overall influence and ability on a global scale. Much like the Romans you describe. But if you are stating all of humankind is going to fall apart, that was the original point I was responding to. People adapt. Civilizations rise and fall. The pendulum will swing back eventually OR a new civilization will rise up in the old one's place. It's happened since the dawn of time (for humans) and will continue to do so.
 

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I will never completely (as in 100%) trust a woman again. I will also never fully commit my emotional well-being to a woman ever again. I also don't consider sex nearly as big a deal as I did back in my early 20s. These are seen as good qualities by the community here at SS. I suppose maybe this is being "jaded" -- but honestly whatever you want to call it it stands that multiple relationships with women have affected how I approach any future relationship (plate, LTR, etc.) in a more detached way.
That's pretty much my story too.
 

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We should keep things simple.

If God forbid you want to get married then your best chance for success is marrying a virgin. A virgin has the highest chance of pair bonding with you and not divorcing you.

if you just want to smash then it doesn’t matter.

HOWEVER, even if she’s a virgin it does not mean that her mind isn’t corrupted. Due to social media and pop culture there’s no female that hasn’t been exposed to feminism.

what them being a virgin does is it makes them get attached to you. But even so if you have weak game you are still likely to get screwed even if she’s a virgin.

I recommend looking into what The Saint and the sinner/ Mr Locario/Coach EO/Eddie Fews teach when it comes to training/coaching women. You must have solid game and be able to own a woman’s heart, mind and soul in order to keep her. Forget democracy in this day and age you must have pimp level game to keep a woman under your control.

you must build her into a good woman. Good women don’t come made anymore. And your chances of building a good woman from one that’s already been with multiple men is extremely difficult.
 

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It should be the woman fighting to make a relationship work, not the man. We all know that a man "fighting to make a relationship work" is grossly unattractive to women
And it never works as you are in the feminine position and are a short time away from getting dumped.

the only thing you should be doing is coaching/training your female to be the best partner for you.
 

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Yes facts. Other forms of sexual activity will take away that innocence. When I say virgin I mean no nothing. No penetration of any sort. No intimate attachments with any previous males. Btw did you take her virginity?
Naw bro. I didn't. Epic fail. I was with her for a year too. F*cked me up real good. I tried a few times but she was in intense pain. I don't think she faked it, could be a med condition. Gave some of the most amazing head and just all around sloot in other ways though.

She was also seriously manipulative bro. I wrote about it on the no contact thread. She led me to the RP path and SS, so I've got to thank that relationship for something atleast.

In terms of this thread, I literally brainwashed myself to think she was an 'innocent virgin'. She also liked to emphasize that to me. Complete brainwashing bro. Those great sexual skills and her history has corrupted for sure. I was just too blind to see the red flags.
 

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This is not going to be groundbreaking information but I think its important to remind ourselves of this. Once a female has had 1 or 2 bfs her pair bonding ability is done. I am just now realizing this. I used to think it was 5 or 10 sexual partners. But it is as little as 1 or 2 boyfriends ( they dont even have to be sexual partners).

When a virgin with no previous partners falls in love it is rock solid. You set the basis of their expectation. They aint going no where unless you make them leave. They dont have anything to compare to and this intoxicating feeling of limerance is new to them.

The say that first high of any drug is the best. With virgins you are giving them that first high or euphoric love. They will always be chasing that dragon.

Once a girl has gotten her heart broken even once...it is ruined. Her heart has lost its innocence. She will never be able to "love" you. This is why virginity was so prized in the past.

I am talking to a virgin now and the levels of simpery I get away with is astounding. My simp behavior does not turn her off because she has nothing to compare it too. She is also still riding off the high of being in love. I have had another virgin gf in the past and I couldnt get rid of her.

Virgins or nothing at all.
I got 1 before. Another on deck in the roster. The thing is, they tend to be very feminine, foreign or something like a super trad or religious family.

I gotta be honest man. I'm savage but somethings are sacred. There's still places in the world that hold value for virginity still. Few and far between and definitely not western.

Even still, they can get stupid. female logic is not ever lost. if you put her on ice she walks around and cries. it's unreal.


Tbh I think all the fellas seeking marriage and family should pursue that. I'm saying there's far too much Concessions from so called red pill Chad. it's obnoxious.

Anyway man, sounds like you are doing great.
 

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Because it isn't Shareware. You can't just "try it out". You have to have a whole society go that way,...an individual can't make it happen.

The other societies that do something similar are:

1. Don't actually do what you think. They certainly don't do it consistently as a society. It is just "pockets" here and there of crazy people who may be doing one thing right and a dozen things wrong. Wanting women to not be promiscuous is a good thing,...decapitating them when they fail to do so is a bit "whacked".
2. Their societies are a train wreck in dozens of other ways. Their society isn't going to be "rescued" just because they might practice arranged marriages.

So looking at other societies to discredit something (like virginity & arranged marriages) is a strawman argument. There are no societies doing things the "old way". All you have are crazed modern societies that hang on to a spattering of a few old practices that is perverted by the rest of their modern society.
All you need is a plane ticket. There's no need for you to build a whole new society.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Ever thrown a party with a 2 to 1 female-male ratio? It's a little slice of heaven. Surroundings and logistics matter a lot more than you would ever think, much less culture.
Yes, well I'm not the one saying that you need to change culture. I'm just saying that different countries have different cultures, so if you want to live in a culture where women remain virgins until marriage you can do that today. There are many countries in the world where those attitudes are still commonplace. If you don't want to travel, then you can find someone from that kind of culture. You don't need to wait 30 years for the culture of the USA to go back to the 1950s, which it probably won't do anyway.
 

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Too much **** definitely ruins the woman from what i've seen
 

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Yes, well I'm not the one saying that you need to change culture. I'm just saying that different countries have different cultures, so if you want to live in a culture where women remain virgins until marriage you can do that today. There are many countries in the world where those attitudes are still commonplace. If you don't want to travel, then you can find someone from that kind of culture. You don't need to wait 30 years for the culture of the USA to go back to the 1950s, which it probably won't do anyway.
What about bringing these women to the west, let's say you bring a middle eastern woman to the west. Will she keep her values?

I've thought about importing a wife from the middle east. I'm actually chatting to a few Assyrian women still living in the middle east and looking to get out.
 

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What about bringing these women to the west, let's say you bring a middle eastern woman to the west. Will she keep her values?

I've thought about importing a wife from the middle east. I'm actually chatting to a few Assyrian women still living in the middle east and looking to get out.
People that have strong and genuine religious beliefs are unlikely to change, because their family and friends back home will tell them "you shouldn't do that, it's forbidden" and they will listen to them. Whether Christian or Muslim, they have a very strong sense of community and loyalty and changing their religion would feel like betraying their community and their family.

I knew an Iraqi Christian guy who was quite open minded, but he told me he would never convert for marriage because his family had suffered so much to avoid being forced to convert. I think Assyrians would make a good choice if you're looking to get married and have children because for them loyalty is not just about the relationship with you but also about respecting their own family and traditions.

On the other hand, nothing is ever guaranteed and I think you would be better off getting to know a person very well before taking such a huge step. You might also find that some women are trying to marry a foreigner to escape from that culture and find their freedom in the west. I would normally recommend Lebanon - the women there are incredibly beautiful and a lot of them speak excellent English. However, the situation now in that country is highly unstable and dangerous.
 

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I don't think any number of partners reduces a woman's ability to pair bond (a low number just makes her naive, unrealistic and, to my taste, annoying and boring).

If the woman you want to be close to you does not get close to you it is most likely because she simply doesn't like you enough.

Just accept it and find some other women that do.
 

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On what planet are you finding virgins in their 20s. Most girls in their 20s have slept with 30+ men/women at this point.
 

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That’s an interesting statement. I have OBSERVED that the past matters in a great deal of things.
male or female. Different categories but the past absolutely matters

Ones past is the barometer by which one can estimate and adjust for as a certain or potential repeat. Good or bad. It’s an indicator of their personal survival strategy.

Let’s take a young woman just as an example. Girly typical. She encounters her first lover. Tons of sex. This does nothing harmful to her as long as all of it is consensual. So let’s say he starts enamored over her, this is a reasonable normal outcome. Or she wants a different man.

This is the make/break point by which she will start formulations of and to her personal survival strategy. Women are socially locked in to their female survival genetic encoding from birth just like men.
This is how she adds to or removes things from her methodology of sorting and adding or eliminating things. For the most part it is below her awareness but much of it isn’t. Socially it is all in her awareness. Instead of looking to herself, as a woman, she puts it into social deliberation and debate by her peers (girlfriends).

This is one of the largest differences between men and women. Many a boyfriend and husband has been wrecked by this social aspect of her survival. This is a horrible adaptation left over from tribal life. You take social driven women and put them together and you can have the most brutal destruction known to the world.

Men as they come of age they become more self aware of their decisions and the effects. Some are now converted to the feminine version of passing all their ills onto the other sex. Don’t worry about them, they are out of the game. Ridiculous men.

I will keep this in context. Instead of keeping her own council and selecting her own decisions, she defaults to the social norm. As a good person she knows she should be, knowing full well that men love very differently and are this easily manipulated for her to achieve her goals, she decides to engaging other men with the hopes of being bred (all sex is the dramatization of pro creation) by them. True she may have the Disney lover paradigm in her head, but the power social pressure is too great. She knows the boy thinks that they are boyfriend/girlfriend in his head. She KNOWS!!
But she follows the female social convention and just fuks other boys. Her boyfriend finds out and falls the ground thinking he is damaged. She sees the result of her actions and feels guilty for a day. Maybe longer. Then she gets some fuks in. Then she has two boys double team her. She wants to stop because sometimes she feels bad. So now she wants another boyfriend as she starts college. Social pressure makes it nearly impossible for this to end well for any type of boyfriend. But she gives it a go anyway. Soon she is getting pounded out by multitudes of men (EXTREMELY COMMON)

The boyfriend gets crushed and thinks he’s damaged. This time she only feels guilt for about 5 minutes. SHE KNOWS that he thought they were boyfriend/girlfriend. However, her BIOLOGICAL dualistic sexual strategy combined with the existing destructive social structure, she is completely under the control of the environment that she exists in.

Men being linear thinkers are infinitely more able to linearly think his way to more healthy deductions and far less associative reasoning. This keeps him more able to maintain individuality and individual thoughts and decisions. Well, we all want sex. Lol

This sets her sexual survival to this pattern of conduct. It was successful and had no serious repercussions like the ones men are subject to. STDs, pregnancy? Can be easily handled. Despite the fact that when she is coupled with a provider/boyfriend, she is extremely likely to go bareback when with the lover. Thus giving him 1st position to impregnate her.

In effect, she has now set her conduct to the rest of her life. Despite crushing her sexual value, and encoding poor survival neuro pathways into her physical structure she cannot stop. In a marriage or relationship further along, when she pairs up, her dualistic sexual strategy kicks in, she will be defenseless against it. She will default to her learned sexual survival strategy in an effort to fix or correct the loss of her Disney dream world.

By now she has perfected the invalidation tactics such as gaslighting to near perfection to not only hide her conduct but to protect her inherent dualistic sexual strategy. The social propaganda solution through feminism is in perfect alignment with that biological dualistic strategy. It is designed to destroy. Men are then programmed that invading her privacy as she sucks and fuks through her life and labeled controlling and all kinds of other such nonsense, they actually and stupidly go along with it.
“As long as his resources are involved it is ALWAYS his business and she has zero privacy.”

Any man who goes along with the social convention that he must “trust” or be labeled the stupid labels such as controlling, is a god damn fool. As well she has every right to inspect his so called privacy as well. Only a pathetic stupid woman would allowed her provider’s privacy when she knows his actions are suspect. A woman is given the right to control through manipulation and influence her provider. When a man does it? Prepare for hell on earth. Even if he ejects her to the curb, the state will still reward her with your resources and in worse case scenario, bill the whole nation with a tax bill to reward her.

Absolutely every inch of her past matters. In fact if every man was given a 30 minute mind video of her escapades he would, in most cases never, ever marry her. Women know this or they wouldn’t lie about it or hide it from her future life partner. End of story.
It's easy.

Enjoy women for who they are.

Avoid all the downsides by not marrying/cohabiting/paying for ****/having children with women who don't make good mothers.

Enjoy love not as a needy little boy, but as a grounded man with many positive relationships in his life, who enjoys it but doesn't need it.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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