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Harry, I like it, seems like that approach/script would minimize mistakes, so I don't start spewing out AFCisms. I don't see your sig in your post...oh wait I just clicked your profile, here it is: http://www.stoplosingwomen.com/ Thanks

In the words of the great philosopher Snoop Dogg (or whatever the fk he calls himself now): It ain't no fun if the homies can't have none She's a slvt. Hook a brother up.

Rex, I've read elsewhere that speaking on the phone gives her another opportunity to judge you out of her life in case you say something she perceives as disagreeable. So would a mistake-prone noob (like me) be better off texting and maybe graduate to voice comms for dates #2 and beyond?

I've been there. And I'm still there, almost 10 years after I read/applied Carnegie's logic. On the plus side, I'm genuinely curious in others and I find I can broaden my perspective by asking questions about things that I actually do want to know about...so not all conversations are one-way...

Part of being a man is following your own path, and seeking your own truth. The world will test your commitment by giving you obstacles along the way, which include nay-saying friends and family. But you must stay on the path, because if you don't, you will never develop any inner game to...

lol. The OP's post was pretty much where I was at 10 years ago. Sigh. :cry:

I regularly banged a 55 y/o (I'm 35) for a while, the sex was fantastic. The harder I rammed, the more she liked it. She definitely knew what she was doing in the sack. The dryness was usually overcome by additional foreplay, once in a while we needed the lube...but it was never an issue...

Outstanding. Thanks for the wisdom, Colossus.

Got it, thanks Don. My intent would be to force her hand whether or not she is into me, but I can see how it could be the wrong approach. I guess I'll do it the passive aggressive way instead, lol. I'll post back if anything happens. Thanks again!

Hey Don, Thanks for the response. I'll do the NC thing. Why shouldn't I do the "I don't want to go out again, you're not interested" thing and make her justify herself? Seems like that would give me more power in this situation. The problem I have is that I want to see some effort on her...

Follow up: She ended up texting me on Monday, "how was your weekend" and after some banter I set up a date for last night, making this date #3. So the date went well, did a christmas lights thing and hit a nice bar afterwards. I was much heavier on the kino, took her hand and led her...

^^ That's considered average? Dayum. :crazy:

Do you have a link/description of the "average modern woman" for a basis of comparison? Thanks

Thanks for the clarification. I'll definitely check out kino, I've read about that briefly and I think that will help me escalate physically. Not sure I'll be able to stop overthinking though :) Thanks again

I broke it off with my BPD/NPD girl a couple months back. After the first breakup (where my belongings ended up in the driveway), she came back to me after 7 weeks. It seemed like she sincerely had changed...and she did somewhat, but not completely. And definitely not enough for her to have a...

DonJuanit0, thanks for the response! lol, not maybe...definitely! :) I'm trying to shed my AFC ways and I'm taking a long, hard look at all of my expectations, assumptions, and behaviors. A little self imposed cognitive behavioral therapy, if you will. Right now I'm about 99.9%...

Hey guys, I'm an AFC trying to learn how to properly apply the DJ concepts. I'm 35 and recently out of a LTR, starting to date again. Specifically, for this one woman, I want her to do a little chasing, and filter out a potential user. She's 31. I've been out with this girl twice, latest was...