article: Perspective: Where have all the good men gone?

[pipeman84]

I last forever, I can fvck hard for hours on end, I need less than a minute to recover after blasting,

I don't know man, from my research women don't enjoy being fvcked hard for too long, let alone for hours on end. Physically it's not a pleasure anymore and it also makes them think the man doesn't find them attractive that's why he doesn't cvm. Somewhere between a two pump chump and hours of hard fvcking there's a sweet spot and it's probably around 15-20min mark.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I don't know man, from my research women don't enjoy being fvcked hard for too long, let alone for hours on end. Physically it's not a pleasure anymore and it also makes them think the man doesn't find them attractive that's why he doesn't cvm. Somewhere between a two pump chump and hours of hard fvcking there's a sweet spot and it's probably around 15-20min mark.

I suggest you do more research.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Here's another counterpoint to the above:
your belief that you're good in bed is based on what a woman or several women have told you. But when a particular woman has had sex with many guys, how do you know she didn't say the same thing to every one of them? And how worthy her opinion is anyway when it's well known that the more sexual partners she's had, the more messed up she is.

On the other hand, take a 22yrs old virgin, who has rejected guys hitting on her since she was 15. When she gives you her virginity, that's a factual statement that she considers you better than all the other guys she could've had sex with.

And 10 years into the marriage, more likely 7when she starts getting unhaaaaaaaappppyyyyy, she’s going to wonder even hard what other c0ck might feel like and how she “missed out” on the experiences she could have had if she wasn’t in a relationship with you…

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

My experience mirrors @BackInTheGame78 ’s pretty much, except I’m not used to being the pick of the litter; i need to talk to women to get them to notice me, once I’ve made them laugh I’m 99% sure I’m in eventually.

There certainly are those of us who are good at sex, have the receipts and know confidently that we’re exceptional.

But haters gunna hate.

 

[pipeman84]

And 10 years into the marriage, more likely 7when she starts getting unhaaaaaaaappppyyyyy, she’s going to wonder even hard what other c0ck might feel like and how she “missed out” on the experiences she could have had if she wasn’t in a relationship with you…

Theoretically, that can happen with any woman. In reality, it's much more probable to happen with a woman who already had the taste of several dycks. Let's take 3 similarly looking 22yrs old girls. The one is the virgin in my example, the 2nd has had 3 boyfriends, the 3rd has had casual sex with various guys and since 18 is a pornstar. The first 2 girls, while on the surface have a similar, what the society would call normal evolution, actually have a totally different mindset (as evidenced by their past), which projected in the future, let's say 10yrs into a marriage, give very different probable realities. The third one might as well be an alien when compared to the first 2.

 

[Gamisch]

If you're asking for a virgin that much, at least you should be every girls dream. I would like to see picture of your body, how much you weigh and how tall are you?

Lets cut the BS.

The only reason why men are looking for a virgin is due to severe insecurity issues. Scarcity that he'll be insufficient in comparison to other men. I can't come up with any other reason. Perhaps a ego thing, but WHY ON EARTH would a 40 y.o man STILL be on these little ego games??? Remember, this age is akin to being a GRANDFATHER. I agree with Gainz, you better be a powerful mogul if you wanna demand these things from life...

Here's the kicker tho: women are HARD WIRED to have lets say, "certain tendencies ". This gentlemen, is what we call FEMALE NATURE. Hence the word NATURE.

So you can try to outsmart nature, but the odds of making it actually work is slim to none. It's like trying to stop birds from flying south, or trying to stop storms above the ocean. A woman WILL stray at some point, and whenever she does will always be a painful moment. You can keep her in check for 20 years, one moment of weakness will destroy those 20 years...

I keep saying that the world is ever changing, we have no clue what life will be like ten or 15 years from now. Yes, @pipeman84 , i told you MANY times that 85 % of men have the same wish as you. But you also have to admit it stems from old school culture/thinking

We stil see old couples walking side by side every day, and every time we see this we tell ourselves:" cutdammit, I KNEW that it was still possible to meet a soulmate type of woman!!". We are from a generation that have (grand)parents that are married for 40 years ect.

We wouldn't even imagine that Only Fans would EVER be a thing when we only knew about pron from books and "very secretive parts" in the video shop. Newsflash: the videoshop, the VHS, and the books are all GONE. Its a new era.

 

[pipeman84]

I can't come up with any other reason.

read my replies on this thread and you'll see several reasons.

Here's the kicker tho: women are HARD WIRED to have lets say, "certain tendencies ". This gentlemen, is what we call FEMALE NATURE. Hence the word NATURE.

It's highly questionable that it's in female nature to be promiscuous. Even if that's so, it doesn't take more than an average woman to control those tendencies, just as most men can control their testosterone induced aggressiveness.

Yes, @pipeman84 , i told you MANY times that 85 % of men have the same wish as you.

I don't think so. Not even on a declarative level isn't the percentage that high. On an actual (meaning beliefs and actions derived from them) level, it's much much smaller.

We wouldn't even imagine that Only Fans would EVER be a thing when we only knew about pron from books and "very secretive parts" in the video shop. Newsflash: the videoshop, the VHS, and the books are all GONE. Its a new era.

It's a new era, but I don't think it automatically makes it a bad era because strippers are now on OF and porn is more accessible.

 

[Dr.Suave]

I last forever, I can fvck hard for hours on end, I need less than a minute to recover after blasting,

This sounds un healthy at worst and like a double edge sword at best, sounds anyway, not sure it actually is. But I guess as long as you are feeling good, enjoy it bro

 

[Gamisch]

read my replies on this thread and you'll see several reasons.

It's highly questionable that it's in female nature to be promiscuous. Even if that's so, it doesn't take more than an average woman to control those tendencies, just as most men can control their testosterone induced aggressiveness.

I don't think so. Not even on a declarative level isn't the percentage that high. On an actual (meaning beliefs and actions derived from them) level, it's much much smaller.

It's a new era, but I don't think it automatically makes it a bad era because strippers are now on OF and porn is more accessible.

Yeah a woman might control those tendencies, but perhaps AFTER she's been through a slvt phase (or 2,or 3, or 4). If I follow your dichotomy she is already written off by having slept with ONE man other .

If given the opportunity most men would definitely want a loyal woman who doesn't cheat, brings diseases, gets pregnant by other men ect. Apart from some fetish orientated men most men would LOVE to have that part of life secured.

Its a new era, meaning that women have less intencive to be loyal to one man for an entire lifetime. We know the reasons why by now. On top of that it's extremely easy to get a quick lay ,especially for any woman above hb4.

Imo this whole virgin thing is played out, especially for a man older than 30.

 

[pipeman84]

Yeah a woman might control those tendencies, but perhaps AFTER she's been through a slvt phase (or 2,or 3, or 4). If I follow your dichotomy she is already written off by having slept with ONE man other .

I don't think so ... IMO how a girl handles her sexuality in the 14-21yrs interval is going to define her entire life ... kind of like how the first 7 years in a human's life are paramount for later development. A girl who's been a slut in that age range but will turn into a loyal housewife later on is as likely as a child raised by wolfs and who by the age of 7 can't speak any language, becoming proficient in several languages later on in life.

If given the opportunity most men would definitely want a loyal woman who doesn't cheat, brings diseases, gets pregnant by other men ect.

All men are given this opportunity, no one is forced to commit to any woman.

Its a new era, meaning that women have less intencive to be loyal to one man for an entire lifetime. We know the reasons why by now. On top of that it's extremely easy to get a quick lay ,especially for any woman above hb4.

A clinically sane woman who got a good man to commit to her has no incentive to cheat. If she's not clinically sane, then why would any sane guy commit to her?

 

[Dr.Suave]

Lets cut the BS.

Lets go bro, this is what doesnt make sense to me:

Pipeman: "I could bang a hot non virgin girl with a condom as recreational use only, but I wont commit exclusivity to a girl unless she´s a virgin" (Not the exact words but that´s the gist of it)

and instead of brotherly support, most replies are:

- You are unrealistic/insecure/delusional

- She could lie to you. She will never tell you the real number anyway. Multiply the number she says by 4

- Dont ask questions you dont want to know the answer to. Its not the 19XXs anymore

Or some variant of the above.

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him, imho anyway. If after some time he doesnt find what he´s looking for, at some point maybe he will have to either lower his standards a little bit or be ready to give up kids in a marriage.

But at least he was always true to himself and he will cross that bridge when he gets there. But instead of support he gets garbage replies.

 

[Bigpapa]

We should be glad he has some standards, and support him,

A woman being a virgin is not a standard per se, is more like a cope for something else

Most likely a cope for why he is not successful in the first place

Women do the same, have you noticed that usually the uglier a woman is the more she exaggerates about what a guy should do in order to get her?

Ugly woman: I am single because guys these days are trash

Reality: she is f8cking ugly / crazy or a mix of both

If someone would be true to himself, he will notice that the rhetoric here is identical of that of feminists, just that they replace “men” with “women” in the sentence

 

[pipeman84]

@Bigpapa @All_Kindz_Of_Gainz
I'm expressing my preferences (which are nothing more than what is or at least what used to be standard requirement for commitment) - how does that make me an incel and the male equivalent of an ugly feminist?
You keep your preferences and act accordingly, I'll keep mine ... diversity allows the world to keep expanding. Calling me names doesn't make you any more successful or alpha, quite the contrary.

 

[Gamisch]

I'll repeat: i am from a generation of men who grew up with the idea that bodycount matters. For both genders.

Despite this hardwired belief I ALSO realize that in this era its hardly impossible for a man NEARING 40(!!!) to want a virgin.

I said many times, at times pipemans principles are great. Especially in situations where a man tries to idealize a random 304.

But other than that, I just want him and everyone else to be realistic about the opportunities.

Just finding a sane woman is something most men won't ever accomplish. Now add the factor of this woman being a virgin..especially in any western nation
..you have a better change at winning the lottery.

If you pick up one from a strict religious country ....you MIGHT have a better chance

Otherwise all the stars need to align perfectly.

 

[pipeman84]

Despite this hardwired belief I ALSO realize that in this era its hardly impossible for a man NEARING 40(!!!) to want a virgin.

Dane Cook 51 just married a 24yrs old, they've been together since she was 17. Zan Perrion got together with his now wife when he was 48 and she was 22. Paul Walker (rip) was 40yrs old and his girlfriend was 23 and they had been together for several years.
These are just examples off the top of my head.

Don't even start with the argument that 2 of the above happened because money/status because there are many more examples of money/status that got into relationships (take Will Smith or Chris Hemsworth) which are not at all inspiring.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I dont think the "virgin thing" has to be taken litteraly in many cases.

It's not the physical act itself to change a woman but the amount and quality of experiences she has been through.

A woman with a spoiled or messed up past is hard to deal with and there are good chances that she is broken mentally.

A guy in his 40s that looks for virgins in my opinion is wrong for two reasons.

The first one is that even if he finds one she is either messed up in her head if she is 25+ or she is way to young to conscioulsy decide to stay with and him and create a family...I dont believe an18 yrs old girl should be robbed of her life and be paired with an old man.

The talks about insecurity are ridicolous when thrown at a man that has -reasonable- standards wheter it comes of body count or social status.

 

[pipeman84]

A guy in his 40s that looks for virgins in my opinion is wrong for two reasons.

The first one is that even if he finds one she is either messed up in her head if she is 25+ or she is way to young to conscioulsy decide to stay with and him and create a family...I dont believe an18 yrs old girl should be robbed of her life and be paired with an old man.

I tend to agree with the first reason ... actually I found a black influencer on YouTube, forgot her name, claimed to be virgin at 31 back in 2017 or so (although she mentioned a boyfriend when she was in college ), married a guy after a year of dating without them even kissing (!? ) ... they're still married now and she's pregnant.
But the counterargument is that unless you find a widow (a situation which carries its own kind of baggage), all the relationship/casual sex miles of a woman 25+ have messed her up just as much if not more. So bottom line, don't commit to a messed up woman, virgin or not.

Second argument, about being too young to consciously choose a man, I also agree with, actually I said recently in your thread:

Well said. Consequently, I think the best age for a woman to enter a LTR with is 22-25. You want her to have some life experience in the real world, that's why I think fresh out of high school is too young. Based on how she handled those few years, you can decide if she meets your standards for a relationship.

 

[Gamisch]

I dont think the "virgin thing" has to be taken litteraly in many cases.

It's not the physical act itself to change a woman but the amount and quality of experiences she has been through.

A woman with a spoiled or messed up past is hard to deal with and there are good chances that she is broken mentally.

A guy in his 40s that looks for virgins in my opinion is wrong for two reasons.

The first one is that even if he finds one she is either messed up in her head if she is 25+ or she is way to young to conscioulsy decide to stay with and him and create a family...I dont believe an18 yrs old girl should be robbed of her life and be paired with an old man.

The talks about insecurity are ridicolous when thrown at a man that has -reasonable- standards wheter it comes of body count or social status.

Hmm. The reason why this virgin thing is so much sought after imo is due to the OPPOSITE effect of a woman whose "been around the block". In a worst case scenario ;

" you have the smallest schlong she ever encountered and thus she craves other sausages ".

So iirc a virgin provides the OPPOSITE of this. A woman who never had another man so all of her experience when it comes to physical contact, feelings, orgasms ect is linked to __YOU__ and thus she'll only lust after you.

Now we know this simply isn't true.

What's the end goal of having a virgin? Having LESS headaches and typical "male/female issues "? Because I can tell you from experience that it doesn't work like that. I had a virgin, when I was 18. And long story short: she ended up like every other woman, with a "azzhole" who beat the feck out of her on a regular basis.

Again, we ALL HAVE HIGH STANDARDS. All of us bro. Lets say that all participants in this thread would prefer a woman with: are you ready?;
-low count, well spoken, cool, pretty, funny, loyal, obedient,responsible, good cook, freak in bed, friendly, nice, yet not to be fecked with, good with family, good mother and a thousand more great traits yadiya.

None of us want a sub hb5 with a bad attitude who makes our lives harder. We ALL want a hb7,5 virgin/ 2 boyfriends who only got missionary and handjobs.

But in the REAL world I don't know how a ,I'll repeat, man nearing FORTY can even think about this as a serious thing.

Having high standards is great. But its not any different from woman having "300 reasons why NOT to go on a second date with a man". Its equally ridiculous.

 

[pipeman84]

You're not either of those 4 guys with the money & status, and never will, so lower your standards miss.

You can draw whatever conclusion you wish from the example I've given. My conclusion is that like (at the core being) attracts like. Therefore no need to lower my standards ... I am who I am and I'll attract someone on the same level. In the case there's no one, I'm OK with that. It's not like I'm longing to commit to a woman like Jada Smith.

But in the REAL world I don't know how a ,I'll repeat, man nearing FORTY can even think about this as a serious thing.

Just gave you some real world examples above, yet you're still talking as if I'm thinking about marrying an alien with 2 heads and 5 arms. Funny thing is that you can't imagine a man nearing 40 thinking seriously about a virgin, I can't imagine a man nearing 40 (with all the life wisdom accumulated and all that) committing to a woman who is NOT a virgin.

 

[pipeman84]

We ALL want a hb7,5 virgin/ 2 boyfriends who only got missionary and handjobs.

That's what I was debating with myself about a year ago, actually I wrote about it on here. The argument was that she learned after 2 relationships and now she'd be much wiser than a virgin. Also, assuming those were average guys, and you a graduate from SoSuave, you'd be seen in that much better light.
But my conclusion is that line of thinking wouldn't work for me. The 'much wiser' argument is highly debatable and very individual dependent. The second argument is actually BS when you think it through ... on one hand she can watch a bit of porn and there goes the idea you're this unique, lean, mean sex God. On the other hand, how does it make you feel as a man knowing that 2 saps fvcked her and went merrily on their ways, and now you, the suave guy, committed to her? Doesn't it actually make you dumber than the 2 other guys?

Most importantly though, the thought she's already done all the love related stuff with two other guys, makes me unable to take her seriously and actually invest in her. It would feel like turning my life into role playing in a bad movie ... she'd say: oh I love you (my inner voice would immediately say: yeah right, like you loved the other 2 guys).