I built it, they didn't come

[patb]

I’m in the exact same boat as you. However I can “turn it on” whenever I feel like it. The problem is I don’t feel like it as much as I used to.

I'd like to think I can too, but I wonder -- how much am I really fooling anyone? I get very inconsistent feedback. And it's just exhausting and unsustainable, in the end.

 

[jaymbrs]

I'd like to think I can too, but I wonder -- how much am I really fooling anyone? I get very inconsistent feedback. And it's just exhausting and unsustainable, in the end.

Not everyone you meet is the same. It’s not a one size fits all type thing. So inconsistency is the norm.

 

[patb]

Not everyone you meet is the same. It’s not a one size fits all type thing. So inconsistency is the norm.

I suppose that only makes sense. I think my ASD brain still seeks some kind of optimal routine that'll please everyone -- I have great difficulty letting that idea ago.

 

[corrector]

I think you are a bit too curious/concerned about my lifestyle.

Just trying to understand you based on your threads and posts, and from what I gather, it's textbook MGTOW.

 

[momentomori]

I've

Nope...social skills amount to understanding how to act with other people in public settings. Trust me when I say "being normal" never got you so far as it does today with the amount of weirdos and dudes that have zero social skills in person.

You really would think this to be the case, except for the fact that there are just as many if not more weirdos/ neurodivergent types that are female.

 

[allergictobs]

Just trying to understand you based on your threads and posts, and from what I gather, it's textbook MGTOW.

I don't know how you could possibly infer that from this thread. Just to clarify, I'd say I'm probably anti-MGTOW.

Like I've said before: I love beautiful women and want to spend time with them. I have been in good relationships before and think that some women are amazing. I'm still looking for a woman to be my life partner and possibly want to start a family some day.

I'd say I'm red-pilled and always have been. I value my time and myself highly, and my general view is that men who spend too much time chasing women are losers (unless they truly enjoy the process). I think time is better spent on careers, hobbies, self-development and having a good time.

I'm also a realist. I think most women are not that interested in men and therefore only a small percentage of women are actually worth pursuing. I've mentioned Aaron Clarey before and I think he is right in this respect.

 

[SW15]

the fact that there are just as many if not more weirdos/ neurodivergent types that are female.

Men are far more neurodivergent than women. Male neurodivergence is not good for getting laid with women. Women are not sexually to neurodivergent males. Neurodivergent men tend to show characteristics that do not enhance their sex appeal. I have said many times before that Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and charisma. Neurodivergent males lack charisma with their poor social skills. They often don't have the looks, money, or status to compensate for their lack of charisma that is exhibited through poor social skills.

Depression, BPD, and anxiety disorders are more prevalent in women than men. These disorders are exhibited differently than neurodivergent issues. Women with depression, BPD, and anxiety disorders can often have adequate social skills. Their social skills will be at least good enough for them to get sex. Men don't require as much in the way of social skills in order to have sex with a woman as women require in order to have sex with a man. Women with BPD, depression, and anxiety disorders tend to have issues in dating/relationships as relationships progress and their behaviors can cause men to not want to commit longer term. If a man commits longer term to a woman with BPD, depression, or an anxiety disorder, she'll still be the one more likely to dump him. Women initiate far more divorces than men and also are more likely to be the dumper in non-marital relationships too.

Male neurodivergence is closely related to incel outcomes. Female prevalence of BPD, depression, and anxiety won't cause a lack of sex for women. It's possible that these disorders would cause men to not commit to them exclusively, but that's a worse case scenario. A more common outcome for a woman with BPD, depression, or anxiety is a more unstable relationship history, often manifesting itself with a high notch count and relationships where they initiate the exit, often in a dramatic and/or messy manner.

 

[corrector]

I don't know how you could possibly infer that from this thread. Just to clarify, I'd say I'm probably anti-MGTOW.

Like I've said before: I love beautiful women and want to spend time with them. I have been in good relationships before and think that some women are amazing. I'm still looking for a woman to be my life partner and possibly want to start a family some day.

I'd say I'm red-pilled and always have been. I value my time and myself highly, and my general view is that men who spend too much time chasing women are losers (unless they truly enjoy the process). I think time is better spent on careers, hobbies, self-development and having a good time.

I'm also a realist. I think most women are not that interested in men and therefore only a small percentage of women are actually worth pursuing. I've mentioned Aaron Clarey before and I think he is right in this respect.

Yes, you may say you are anti-MGTOW but your lifestyle actually MGTOW. You made a complaint thread and saying women you like are too difficult and time consuming to find. You are not dating anyone but are visiting escorts, therefore that is MGTOW behaviour and logic. I never said monk mode, but you have a negative view about chasing women and are saying the juice is not worth the squeeze. Nobody said MGTOWs dont like women or have no good relationships in the past.

Nobody who is successful on this board and is redpill even visits escorts and rationalize it that its more time efficient then to meet civvie women. On this board, it is mainly blackpill normie fakecels and incels that either do this or flirt with the idea. The successful redpillers frown on the idea as emasculating and meaningless in terms of sexual validation or being desired and they wont have it. Its more about the principle than anything else.

All in all this still means you have a negative attitude towards civvie women, on some level. Also, if you choose a lifestyle like that and call guys who do chase civvie women losers then that makes you MGTOW. Even this thread title is saying you built and they did not come, you have to admit, sounds negative and fakecellish.

 

[corrector]

Men are far more neurodivergent than women. Male neurodivergence is not good for getting laid with women. Women are not sexually to neurodivergent males. Neurodivergent men tend to show characteristics that do not enhance their sex appeal. I have said many times before that Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and charisma. Neurodivergent males lack charisma with their poor social skills. They often don't have the looks, money, or status to compensate for their lack of charisma that is exhibited through poor social skills.

Depression, BPD, and anxiety disorders are more prevalent in women than men. These disorders are exhibited differently than neurodivergent issues. Women with depression, BPD, and anxiety disorders can often have adequate social skills. Their social skills will be at least good enough for them to get sex. Men don't require as much in the way of social skills in order to have sex with a woman as women require in order to have sex with a man. Women with BPD, depression, and anxiety disorders tend to have issues in dating/relationships as relationships progress and their behaviors can cause men to not want to commit longer term. If a man commits longer term to a woman with BPD, depression, or an anxiety disorder, she'll still be the one more likely to dump him. Women initiate far more divorces than men and also are more likely to be the dumper in non-marital relationships too.

Male neurodivergence is closely related to incel outcomes. Female prevalence of BPD, depression, and anxiety won't cause a lack of sex for women. It's possible that these disorders would cause men to not commit to them exclusively, but that's a worse case scenario. A more common outcome for a woman with BPD, depression, or anxiety is a more unstable relationship history, often manifesting itself with a high notch count and relationships where they initiate the exit, often in a dramatic and/or messy manner.

Someone who has the looks and has a positive feed-back loop form childhood, probalby would develop the social skills and charisma to be successful later. Neruodivergence is a fake term meaning someone was born without the looks, non-white and had racist attacks, and/or had a negative feedback-loop will then get mis-diagnosed as neurodivergent. Notice how there are no neurodivergent celebrities? BS term.

 

[momentomori]

Yes, you may say you are anti-MGTOW but your lifestyle actually MGTOW. You made a complaint thread and saying women you like are too difficult and time consuming to find. You are not dating anyone but are visiting escorts, therefore that is MGTOW behaviour and logic. I never said monk mode, but you have a negative view about chasing women and are saying the juice is not worth the squeeze. Nobody said MGTOWs dont like women or have no good relationships in the past.

Nobody who is successful on this board and is redpill even visits escorts and rationalize it that its more time efficient then to meet civvie women. On this board, it is mainly blackpill normie fakecels and incels that either do this or flirt with the idea. The successful redpillers frown on the idea as emasculating and meaningless in terms of sexual validation or being desired and they wont have it. Its more about the principle than anything else.

All in all this still means you have a negative attitude towards civvie women, on some level. Also, if you choose a lifestyle like that and call guys who do chase civvie women losers then that makes you MGTOW. Even this thread title is saying you built and they did not come, you have to admit, sounds negative and fakecellish.

All these titles... "Black pill", "fakecell", "mgtow". How about let the guy make the decision that works for him without ascribing a label to it.

 

[momentomori]

Men are far more neurodivergent than women. Male neurodivergence is not good for getting laid with women. Women are not sexually to neurodivergent males. Neurodivergent men tend to show characteristics that do not enhance their sex appeal. I have said many times before that Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and charisma. Neurodivergent males lack charisma with their poor social skills. They often don't have the looks, money, or status to compensate for their lack of charisma that is exhibited through poor social skills.

Depression, BPD, and anxiety disorders are more prevalent in women than men. These disorders are exhibited differently than neurodivergent issues. Women with depression, BPD, and anxiety disorders can often have adequate social skills. Their social skills will be at least good enough for them to get sex. Men don't require as much in the way of social skills in order to have sex with a woman as women require in order to have sex with a man. Women with BPD, depression, and anxiety disorders tend to have issues in dating/relationships as relationships progress and their behaviors can cause men to not want to commit longer term. If a man commits longer term to a woman with BPD, depression, or an anxiety disorder, she'll still be the one more likely to dump him. Women initiate far more divorces than men and also are more likely to be the dumper in non-marital relationships too.

Male neurodivergence is closely related to incel outcomes. Female prevalence of BPD, depression, and anxiety won't cause a lack of sex for women. It's possible that these disorders would cause men to not commit to them exclusively, but that's a worse case scenario. A more common outcome for a woman with BPD, depression, or anxiety is a more unstable relationship history, often manifesting itself with a high notch count and relationships where they initiate the exit, often in a dramatic and/or messy manner.

Interesting. It appears way more men than women are autistic. Still, only about 3% of men are autistic. However, there is probably a disproportionate amount on these forums. Nevertheless, being socially "normal" in and of itself is not sufficient to get laid a lot. You're going to need more than that.

 

[corrector]

All these titles... "Black pill", "fakecell", "mgtow". How about let the guy make the decision that works for him without ascribing a label to it.

He can speak for himself.

 

[patb]

Yes, you may say you are anti-MGTOW but your lifestyle actually MGTOW. You made a complaint thread and saying women you like are too difficult and time consuming to find. You are not dating anyone but are visiting escorts, therefore that is MGTOW behaviour and logic. I never said monk mode, but you have a negative view about chasing women and are saying the juice is not worth the squeeze. Nobody said MGTOWs dont like women or have no good relationships in the past.

Nobody who is successful on this board and is redpill even visits escorts and rationalize it that its more time efficient then to meet civvie women. On this board, it is mainly blackpill normie fakecels and incels that either do this or flirt with the idea. The successful redpillers frown on the idea as emasculating and meaningless in terms of sexual validation or being desired and they wont have it. Its more about the principle than anything else.

All in all this still means you have a negative attitude towards civvie women, on some level, if you choose a lifestyle like that and call guys who do chase civvie women losers. Even the thread title is saying you built and they did not come. Does not sound like a happy camper to me they way you are vehemiantly trying to defend now.

Someone who has the looks and has a positive feed-back loop form childhood, probalby would develop the social skills and charisma to be successful later. Neruodivergence is a fake term meaning someone was born without the looks, non-white and had racist attacks, and/or had a negative feedback-loop will then get mis-diagnosed as neurodivergent. Notice how there are no neurodivergent celebrities? BS term.

Well, celebrities are a biased sample (especially considering the delta between their actual personalities and their carefully constructed personas). Henry Cavil might actually fit the bill, which is hilarious considering his gigachad looks (and he's evoked the ire of the longhouse, sure enough, though obviously their rage is mostly impotent).

 

[patb]

All these titles... "Black pill", "fakecell", "mgtow". How about let the guy make the decision that works for him without ascribing a label to it.

The labeling can be a bit much. But it's telling that he claims to be anti-MGTOW, despite substantially matching them descriptively. It's like I said earlier -- obsessive aversion to associating with low status groups and beliefs blinds men to the truth, even about themselves. It's really the male hamster in action.

 

[patb]

Interesting. It appears way more men than women are autistic. Still, only about 3% of men are autistic. However, there is probably a disproportionate amount on these forums. Nevertheless, being socially "normal" in and of itself is not sufficient to get laid a lot. You're going to need more than that.

It may not be sufficient, but it's close to necessary (depending on how you define "a lot"). Especially earlier in life (school), when you have to contend with a lot of social gatekeepers that can shut you out of the game entirely if they deem you 'uncool.'

 

[corrector]

The labeling can be a bit much. But it's telling that he claims to be anti-MGTOW, despite substantially matching them descriptively. It's like I said earlier -- obsessive aversion to associating with low status groups and beliefs blinds men to the truth, even about themselves. It's really the male hamster in action.

People who are unclouded by their egos can see a spade for a spade. Sometimes labelling helps get at the root of the issue.

First of all, it shows that someone's new thread or complaint is not a new thing, but it's a common established pattern, even a dated one that's been around for quite a while. Secondly it can provoke a response in a strong way.

You want to have a discussion that gets to the root of the issue and the truth, especially on a thread that is critical about self-improvment and saying it does not work (ie the title of the thread itself?). Otherwise, it's just venting, pity-party and expecting a pat on the shoulder saying "I hear you bro, life is unfair and you deserve better" without dealing with anything. In this case labelling seems to cut through the bs.

 

[SW15]

being socially "normal" in and of itself is not sufficient to get laid a lot. You're going to need more than that.

You're correct. Being "socially normal" is not going to get a man laid. There are many socially normal beta males out there who struggle to get laid and struggle to get girlfriends. A lot of married beta males who are socially normal are in dead bedroom, sexless marriages.

Game is a combination of looks, money, status, and charisma.

It appears way more men than women are autistic. Still, only about 3% of men are autistic. However, there is probably a disproportionate amount on these forums.

The SoSuave forum is not a representative sample of men. Men who participate on SoSuave forums are more passionate than most men about attracting, seducing, and having sex. That leads to a few different subgroups of men being on SoSuave.

The typical beta male isn't participating on SoSuave forums. Most married guys aren't here. Guys who have strong social circle options aren't here either.

In real life, no one's social circle is a representative sample.

 

[corrector]

Just to make one correction. I have seen redpillers use or advise to use escorts in the following scenarios:

1) some have used this occassionally after a bad breakup or divorce
2) to break a dry spell if dumpster diving does not work
3) to demystify sex so it does not feel intimidating to approach.

The normal reaction is to feel terrible you felt you had to go there and use that bad feeling to motivate you to self improve to meet women who genuinely like you. It is incorrect to say all redpillers have never used an escort in any circumstance.

We all have been in hard places but moving on and going to the next level is different than having a comfort zone and cope that becomes a crutch.

 

[allergictobs]

We all have been in hard places but moving on and going to the next level is different than having a comfort zone and cope that becomes a crutch.

I think you are viewing this very differently from the way I see it (and you should probably accept that people can view things differently).

I have accepted that I didn't succeed in the dating game, for whatever reason. I mean, I'm soon 40 years old and it would require almost a miracle to find a much younger woman who would want to date me long-term.

So I look at it like this: I will probably be sexually active for many years to come and I can either
a) have sex with lingerie models, go on vacations and spend unforgettable moments with them
b) not use escorts and hope that I get lucky occasionally (which, given my lifestyle is extremely rarely)
Which of these two scenarios leads to more happiness? I guess it depends on the person.

Now, I haven't completely stopped playing the dating game, but I have stopped actively pursuing women because it is very unproductive. I will only approach someone if the situation arises naturally and there are signs of attraction. If I didn't see escorts, I might be much more nervous in a situation like that (because men tend to be that way if they rarely get laid).

So in essence, I have separated sex life from the dating game. I think it is somewhat similar to a FWB situation.

 

[pipeman84]

So I look at it like this: I will be sexually active for many years to come and I can either
a) have sex with lingerie models, go on vacations and spend unforgettable moments with them

This is the part I don't get ... how can you go on vacations and whatever when you know that it's all fake? How can you keep a straight face and feel fulfilled going through this charade?
I mean, you can buy sex, and I agree with you, no point in wasting time with OLD and subpar women on there when you can get straight to the business with a good looking escort.
But one can't buy love and affection.