I'm about ready to go MGTOW again

[Infern0]

How so?

Explain yourself. You know nothing about me.


Oneitis over who? I was dating three women.

And don't criticize me for having emotions. Sorry that I'm not as mechanical as you. Perhaps that's why I'm an actor.

Stop reacting and start responding. You sound like a *****. Im just telling you it straight. You dont realize how you sound right now.

 

[TheFixer14]

Stop reacting and start responding. You sound like a *****. Im just telling you it straight. You dont realize how you sound right now.

LOL. Why don't you take your own advice?

 

[Infern0]

LOL. Why don't you take your own advice?

Some want help, others just want to whine and complain

https://www.mgtow.com/forums/

Have a fulfilling mgtow life

 

[TheFixer14]

Some want help, others just want to whine and complain

https://www.mgtow.com/forums/

Have a fulfilling mgtow life

I don't understand why are you acting like this LOL.

 

[9Volt]

I think some of you are missing the fact that this isn't all about dating either. This is about women in general. Twice during this acting class my female partner flaked out. The first one might have actually been a legit excuse (she claims that she had an audition and texted me about it), but the second one didn't even text until hours later and I had a new partner by then.

It's just getting annoying to associate with them.

Do you throw the same tantrums with dudes you know or met? Or do you just make special exceptions for chicks as if your entire universe is dependent on their "approval" and or acceptance, head nodding continuous "yes"?

the problem isn't the chicks. It's you if you let anything they do bother you.

Get a life or get going and stop the fake "going my own way" threat.

 

[Urbanyst]

Getting back on topic.. I think the flaking issue boils down to chasing women who aren't into you. That's why some people suspected you might be coming across desperate.

When you try to force a relationship or a sexual situation you will always get flaked on. Women who are into you will always make things easy. They will want to give you their number and they will be anxious to make plans to see you. Look for women who seem enthusiastic.

There have been times when I close a woman and she will act all aloof about giving me her number and meeting up. When that happens I usually won't bother to contract her. If a woman seems aloof, or bitchy there is really no reason to waste your time on her.

The bitterness that leads men to going MGTOW comes in large part from barking up the wrong tree too often.

My relationships with women don't last for sh*t, but I still enjoy women a lot. My new relationships always start out hot and heavy. Then they run out of steam later.

 

[TheFixer14]

Getting back on topic.. I think the flaking issue boils down to chasing women who aren't into you. That's why some people suspected you might be coming across desperate.

When you try to force a relationship or a sexual situation you will always get flaked on. Women who are into you will always make things easy. They will want to give you their number and they will be anxious to make plans to see you. Look for women who seem enthusiastic.

There have been times when I close a woman and she will act all aloof about giving me her number and meeting up. When that happens I usually won't bother to contract her. If a woman seems aloof, or bitchy there is really no reason to waste your time on her.

The bitterness that leads men to going MGTOW comes in large part from barking up the wrong tree too often.

My relationships with women don't last for sh*t, but I still enjoy women a lot. My new relationships always start out hot and heavy. Then they run out of steam later.

So, I'm just dating women who don't like me? I want to be MGTOW even more.

They say be yourself. But what if no one **** with you?

 

[Urbanyst]

So, I'm just dating women who don't like me? I want to be MGTOW even more.

They say be yourself. But what if no one **** with you?

Yeah.

Look man.. you can get women. I see some of the biggest losers and f*ck ups alive get women.

I'm not even telling you not to go MGTOW. I just don't totally understand why you would go MGTOW because a few women flake on you. Just seems like an overreaction to me.

 

[TheFixer14]

Yeah.

Look man.. you can get women. I see some of the biggest losers and f*ck ups alive get women.

I'm not even telling you not to go MGTOW. I just don't totally understand why you would go MGTOW because a few women flake on you. Just seems like an overreaction to me.

How about how that whole gender has screwed me over since birth. Even non romantic relationships with them are b.s.

I'm just tired of all of this. Was this really this ridiculous for our ancestors?

 

[fastlife]

How so?

Oneitis over who? I was dating three women.

And don't criticize me for having emotions. Sorry that I'm not as mechanical as you. Perhaps that's why I'm an actor.

Doesn't matter how many women you're dating/laying whatever. When you start thinking like this--and try reading it from an objective perspective--you have oneitis or at least all the prerequisite neuroticism, paralysis-analysis, & lack of frame that makes oneitis bad to begin with:

And here's the deal about that woman. For a week I hardly thought of her so I thought it had faded. Then thoughts of her arose again. Still not sexually. But just very innocent. I thought about maybe doing it. But then it sounds like would still be in the same class going forward. I actually am looking for a night class so we may not be. But we are basically in one big social circle. I don't want to ask her out and get rejected. Plus, her new scene partner and her seem to have gotten along a little better than her and I. Too be fair he was nicer to her than I was for sure. But I still bet she is more attracted me than him.

I'm an artist too. I have emotions--I love the fact that I have emotions. You can find various posts from me on this very forum advocating that real emotional strength requires the full experience of one's own emotions. BUT after following my emotions to their reasonable conclusion with women (self-annihilation lol) and taking life as art to its fullest extent (self-annihilation lol), I realized that I needed to be a man, first, and an artist second. I still feel everything that I needed to inform my art BUT I also realized my own agency over those feelings and how I decide to act, which is the fundamental difference between a man and a boy. When you're a boy, life happens to you. When you're a man, you happen to life.

You may not want that responsibility over your own life--a lot of people don't and a lot of artists, in particular, are attracted to that lifestyle in the first place just as an excuse to be half-functional adults and exercise the maximum amount of self-indulgence, waiting to 'be discovered' and exalting their own martyrdom when they're not doing sh1t to get their stuff in front of the right eyes. That's cool, plus a lot of great artists were super fvcked up--but don't expect my validation.

I have absolutely no problem with men going their own way as long as it's their own decision. Right now, you're just reacting. It's not even from a position of power. More like, "Oh, yeah. Well if you won't play by my rules, I'm taking my ball and going home." And, yeah, I'm going to call you on it--because this isn't an echo chamber and you don't sound happy. And I know exactly why you're not happy--because I've pulled the same rationalizations & experienced the same cognitive dissonance. Plus, if you can't learn from it, other people can. I know all of the above probably sounds pretty invalidating--and maybe you're right, and you're just a special snowflake and super edgy and 'none of us know what it's like' --but it's all love bro and I hope you'll consider that your experience of life isn't all that unique and that there's a lot of strength in recognizing that on a lot of levels the human experience is pretty damn universal.

 

[Infern0]

How about how that whole gender has screwed me over since birth. Even non romantic relationships with them are b.s.

I'm just tired of all of this. Was this really this ridiculous for our ancestors?

Are you "a really nice guy" by any chance.

 

[TheFixer14]

Doesn't matter how many women you're dating/laying whatever. When you start thinking like this--and try reading it from an objective perspective--you have oneitis or at least all the prerequisite neuroticism, paralysis-analysis, & lack of frame that makes oneitis bad to begin with:

Okay. But I am not even into anyone at all right now. So I can't have oneitis LOL.

I'm an artist too. I have emotions--I love the fact that I have emotions. You can find various posts from me on this very forum advocating that real emotional strength requires the full experience of one's own emotions. BUT after following my emotions to their reasonable conclusion with women (self-annihilation lol) and taking life as art to its fullest extent (self-annihilation lol), I realized that I needed to be a man, first, and an artist second. I still feel everything that I needed to inform my art BUT I also realized my own agency over those feelings and how I decide to act, which is the fundamental difference between a man and a boy. When you're a boy, life happens to you. When you're a man, you happen to life.

You may not want that responsibility over your own life--a lot of people don't and a lot of artists, in particular, are attracted to that lifestyle in the first place just as an excuse to be half-functional adults and exercise the maximum amount of self-indulgence, waiting to 'be discovered' and exalting their own martyrdom when they're not doing sh1t to get their stuff in front of the right eyes. That's cool, plus a lot of great artists were super fvcked up--but don't expect my validation.

I have absolutely no problem with men going their own way as long as it's their own decision. Right now, you're just reacting. It's not even from a position of power. More like, "Oh, yeah. Well if you won't play by my rules, I'm taking my ball and going home." And, yeah, I'm going to call you on it--because this isn't an echo chamber and you don't sound happy. And I know exactly why you're not happy--because I've pulled the same rationalizations & experienced the same cognitive dissonance. Plus, if you can't learn from it, other people can. I know all of the above probably sounds pretty invalidating--and maybe you're right, and you're just a special snowflake and super edgy and 'none of us know what it's like' --but it's all love bro and I hope you'll consider that your experience of life isn't all that unique and that there's a lot of strength in recognizing that on a lot of levels the human experience is pretty damn universal.

I never said that I don't exert control over my life and emotions. But I don't knock myself for having an emotional response. I am only human after all. And I also agree that the human experience is universal. That's the point of art is to be able to connect to others on a broader stage. The fact that a Japanese Woman can make one of the most masculine pieces of art that I've ever read/watched (hint the lead is my avatar) is proof of that.

I'm just looking at the pool of women that I've got access to in front of me and not being truly impressed. Perhaps I'll just have to bring my expectations down again for the sake of sanity.

I do think that I am a special snowflake who is super edgy and no one understands me though. Thanks for noticing .

 

[MrAddiction]

The only way to get a stable woman is to get her when she's low-mileage

Low-milage that is something that currenrly is occupying my mind. What do you consider low milage.
My thought, inspired by something I read at therationalmale.com, is: considering a Girl Starts dating with 15. she will have some experience with one to three guys and one LTR till 19. then she will Start her party years till entering er First serious LTR with 24. that is Five years of partying. In my option for a dezent looking Girl it will not be overexagerating to think she will have at least one or two guys per month she has sex with. That means a Minimum of of 60 ****s in this Five years. Guessing the LTR lasts 6 years. She is 30now. If she is lucky and still good looking there wil not be a Problem to at least lay one guy per month. Due to her now looking for a lifetime provider and babymaker and the clock is ticking, the count per month is higher. so let us say 2 per month is more than realistic. If she needs two years find that guy. That makes another minimum of 48 ****s. Guessing this next LTR lasts another sie years and there are no childs - Girls with childs are uninteressting for us DJs - she is now 38, maybe still good looking. So she ist your ago now or Even younger than you. Her numbercount is 3+1+60+1+48+1= 114. not to considering her having cheated dornig her LTRs. So if I want to have a Girl with a low number count I can only date girls under the age of 22 - for the rest of my life?
Another thing that pops up in my mind. How will one ever believe a Woman telling you she loves you, if she at least told the Same **** 3 or Four other LTR guys before the exact Same ****. Even if she really believed it, that does make is even worse, cause it shows how unreal ist really is. That are fcuking thoughts and are altering the way you Look at women.
Maybe I am Wrong here, than pleas corret me.

 

[MrAddiction]

You just have to accept the fact that it's a numbers game and determine what the value of going through the numbers is to you

... and that is just a really important question. Can not give an answer for myself at the moment. Not sure how much afford I am willing to put in cause at least the question is, if it is worth it.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I don't know. I just don't feel like there are any women out there truly for me. Any women that I've been with has had this great since of superficiality around her regarding the relationship.

I'm tired of being flaked on. Even non romantically women flake on me. I understand why there are MGTOWs. This just feels so fruitless at times. What are we really do this for?

We've talked about this. You're not willing to change yourself. Like I've said, it's not a case of changing for the sake of others, its changing in order to get what you what. You don't seem to think you need to change anything about yourself. Are you the perfect catch? Do you behave impeccably on dates? That's often the way your attitude here comes across.

To be fair, you seem like a typical nice guy so far.

 

[TheFixer14]

Are you "a really nice guy" by any chance.

No where close to that whatsoever. I don't like anyone who is overly nice to me when I first interact with them. And I don't like women who act too nice.

We've talked about this. You're not willing to change yourself. Like I've said, it's not a case of changing for the sake of others, its changing in order to get what you what. You don't seem to think you need to change anything about yourself. Are you the perfect catch? Do you behave impeccably on dates? That's often the way your attitude here comes across.

To be fair, you seem like a typical nice guy so far.

LOL. I am far from a nice guy. I'm a very blunt, yet confident kind of guy. If anything I should develop more warmth.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I am far from a nice guy. I'm a very blunt, yet confident kind of guy. If anything I should develop more warmth.

Well there you go then. In the short time you've been here, you seem to have an answer for everything. That probably isn't helping your cause either. No one likes a know it all.

 

[Tenacity]

I think some of you are missing the fact that this isn't all about dating either. This is about women in general.

It's just getting annoying to associate with them.

I don't feel desperate. Just annoyed.

Dude, how about we start here. WHAT are you looking for in relation to women at the moment?

- Is it a meaningful, deep, serious, relationship?

- Is it just to spin plates and have short term sex/dating/flings with decent looking women?

Which one is it? You keep talking about MGTOW, MGTOW, MGTOW, you aren't a god damn MGTOW. You are a frustrated guy that from the looks of it, can't get a date or a piece of a.ss to save his life. And that's FINE if that's the problem, but the problem needs to be firstly identified. I would start by asking for a pic of you and going from there.

Now if the problem is that you are getting a.ss but want something meaningful, deep, and serious, nobody on this forum can help you because most of us don't have that ourselves.....due primarily to the fact that various feedback/analysis says that those types of relationships are extremely rare these days to find. They are out there...but extremely difficult to locate and it's absolutely no guarantee of locating them.

 

[TheFixer14]

Dude, how about we start here. WHAT are you looking for in relation to women at the moment?

- Is it a meaningful, deep, serious, relationship?

- Is it just to spin plates and have short term sex/dating/flings with decent looking women?

Which one is it? You keep talking about MGTOW, MGTOW, MGTOW, you aren't a god damn MGTOW. You are a frustrated guy that from the looks of it, can't get a date or a piece of a.ss to save his life. And that's FINE if that's the problem, but the problem needs to be firstly identified. I would start by asking for a pic of you and going from there.

Now if the problem is that you are getting a.ss but want something meaningful, deep, and serious, nobody on this forum can help you because most of us don't have that ourselves.....due primarily to the fact that various feedback/analysis says that those types of relationships are extremely rare these days to find. They are out there...but extremely difficult to locate and it's absolutely no guarantee of locating them.

To answer the main issue: Getting dates is pretty easy for me. I can get a second date sometimes. I can get a ONS when I am in the mood. But I can't build a relationship with a woman where they want to be around me for more than a few weeks. I don't want a girlfriend. But I'd like to be in a consistent casual dating situation with three women. I just dated three women and the feeling from it made me feel solid. Maybe that's too much external validation. But I'm 24.

Going on dates and getting a somewhat random ONS when I was 21 was super cool. But I want to use my time in a way that could actually benefit me positively.

 

[Tenacity]

But I can't build a relationship with a woman where they want to be around me for more than a few weeks. I don't want a girlfriend. But I'd like to be in a consistent casual dating situation with three women.

This is a market problem. I've experienced a lot of the same thing. While people on this forum will say it's all YOUR FAULT, the reality is that most of those women weren't looking for a relationship. They were looking just for a short term fling.