I'm about ready to go MGTOW again

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I don't know. I just don't feel like there are any women out there truly for me. Any women that I've been with has had this great since of superficiality around her regarding the relationship.

I'm tired of being flaked on. Even non romantically women flake on me. I understand why there are MGTOWs. This just feels so fruitless at times. What are we really do this for?
 

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I know what you mean. The best thing you can do is plan your own life and work for yourself. Fvck women when they come along and throw them away when you're tired of them.

The only way to get a stable woman is to get her when she's low-mileage. Even then, that doesn't guarantee that she'll stay or she's not a pain in the ass.

Live life for yourself and put no expectations on women.
 

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Just further adding to my conclusion that "mgtow" should be "mwhgu"

that's "men who have given up"

Stop being such a little *****
 

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I know what you mean. The best thing you can do is plan your own life and work for yourself. Fvck women when they come along and throw them away when you're tired of them.

The only way to get a stable woman is to get her when she's low-mileage. Even then, that doesn't guarantee that she'll stay or she's not a pain in the ass.

Live life for yourself and put no expectations on women.
The problem is the lure of validation. Facebook, instagram, okcupid, tinder, pof, snapchat and what have you, it's all at her fingertips not counting the guys giving her validation in daily real life and if she goes out to bars and clubs. If she's low mileage, that's the best case scenario but still a risk factor because she hasn't faced and overcome the siren call yet. Before you know it, boom, she's just like any other girl, only worse because she's a "late bloomer" who has just started getting into the validation game and is now as hungry as her friend Monica was 5 years ago when she first discovered snapchat and stringing guys along for her ego.
 

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I have the solution to your problem with women. You said that you lived in LA not too long ago. Why not finish what you gotta do and then move away from there? Like the guy in the other thread, geography trumps game. Maybe not to that extent but it does play a huge role.

I wonder what would have happened had you asked out that one woman you felt a strange connection with. Why didn't you take the chance by the way?
 

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Just sex and companionship brother, that's really all it's for. Don't take it so seriously, design your life to where women are a LOW priority so whether or not the bytch flakes or fvcks, it REALLY doesn't matter.
I guess so. But even women that I work with in regards to my industry (entertainment) flake. Though actors and actresses are known to be flaky.

So, I suppose the only issue is that my life and career heavily involves women in some components.
I know what you mean. The best thing you can do is plan your own life and work for yourself. Fvck women when they come along and throw them away when you're tired of them.

The only way to get a stable woman is to get her when she's low-mileage. Even then, that doesn't guarantee that she'll stay or she's not a pain in the ass.

Live life for yourself and put no expectations on women.
It's funny, I don't really want anything beyond a FWB. But the women that I deal with just act weird on me. One minute they are super into me, the next something comes up.

I have the solution to your problem with women. You said that you lived in LA not too long ago. Why not finish what you gotta do and then move away from there? Like the guy in the other thread, geography trumps game. Maybe not to that extent but it does play a huge role.

I wonder what would have happened had you asked out that one woman you felt a strange connection with. Why didn't you take the chance by the way?
I am going to eventually be bicoastal and have a place in New York. I'll only live in L.A from November to March and then be in NYC the rest of the year. That's at least two years away though.

And here's the deal about that woman. For a week I hardly thought of her so I thought it had faded. Then thoughts of her arose again. Still not sexually. But just very innocent. I thought about maybe doing it. But then it sounds like would still be in the same class going forward. I actually am looking for a night class so we may not be. But we are basically in one big social circle. I don't want to ask her out and get rejected. Plus, her new scene partner and her seem to have gotten along a little better than her and I. Too be fair he was nicer to her than I was for sure. But I still bet she is more attracted me than him.

One thing that I did notice is that I do care for her. When I watch her perform I am happy when she says a line well and cringe when she falls. After my last performance I saw her smiling as the she and the audience were clapping.

But anyway, this situation just gave me such a weird feelings. The biggest thing is that she is just not mature enough for me. It's hard to be sexually attracted to someone who acts so young. And she isn't being her authentic self. It's funny, the teacher was pointing this out in a critique and I came to this conclusion a while ago, she wants to act like she is a nice person, but she's really not. She just wants to please.

You just need a waifu
Can it be Winry Rockbell? Asuna Yuki at least. Sigh if only. Life would be so much easier.

Don't take life and women too seriously. Women are broken
I was listening to Len Dunham on Howard Stern the other day. While I respect her talent and she is basically doing what I want to do (acting, writing, and directing her own T.V show) and I am actually a fan of Girls, feminism ruins her for me. It was so annoying how she spoke about and she even called Stern a feminist LOL.

Feminism made women take a "it's us versus them" mentality with men.
 

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wtf is "going your own way" anyway. going from one forum to the next to whine about chicks 24/7/365 while deluding yourself you "just don't care"?

don't do that passive aggressive fooling nobody wishy washy bs. just go.

everyone goes their own way in life as it is.
These MGTOW guys are mainly frauds. You have two different groups within MGTOW:

#1.) GROUP ONE: You have the guys who HAVE been out here dating/fvcking/having relations with women and just do not like the new market dynamics. They have decided to just stop dating women for now. YOU never see these guys continually discussing women though.

#2.) GROUP TWO: Then you have the guys who can't GET LAID. They can't get a date, can't get a number, can't get pvssy, can't get shyt. They go MGTOW because they are sexually frustrated.

I believe that 80% of the MGTOW guys are in Group Two. It's why they keep discussing women even though they have supposedly gone their own way. They can't stop discussing bytches because they are sexually frustrated.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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I don't know. I just don't feel like there are any women out there truly for me. Any women that I've been with has had this great since of superficiality around her regarding the relationship.

I'm tired of being flaked on. Even non romantically women flake on me. I understand why there are MGTOWs. This just feels so fruitless at times. What are we really do this for?
I agree. Dating IS difficult, especially where you are. I think you need a break and some distance. Let time create some space for you and chill and evaluate.
 

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I think some of you are missing the fact that this isn't all about dating either. This is about women in general. Twice during this acting class my female partner flaked out. The first one might have actually been a legit excuse (she claims that she had an audition and texted me about it), but the second one didn't even text until hours later and I had a new partner by then.

It's just getting annoying to associate with them.
 

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I am going to eventually be bicoastal and have a place in New York. I'll only live in L.A from November to March and then be in NYC the rest of the year. That's at least two years away though.

And here's the deal about that woman. For a week I hardly thought of her so I thought it had faded. Then thoughts of her arose again. Still not sexually. But just very innocent. I thought about maybe doing it. But then it sounds like would still be in the same class going forward. I actually am looking for a night class so we may not be. But we are basically in one big social circle. I don't want to ask her out and get rejected. Plus, her new scene partner and her seem to have gotten along a little better than her and I. Too be fair he was nicer to her than I was for sure. But I still bet she is more attracted me than him.

One thing that I did notice is that I do care for her. When I watch her perform I am happy when she says a line well and cringe when she falls. After my last performance I saw her smiling as the she and the audience were clapping.

But anyway, this situation just gave me such a weird feelings. The biggest thing is that she is just not mature enough for me. It's hard to be sexually attracted to someone who acts so young. And she isn't being her authentic self. It's funny, the teacher was pointing this out in a critique and I came to this conclusion a while ago, she wants to act like she is a nice person, but she's really not. She just wants to please.
You said that you believe she is still more attracted to you than to her so i don't see why you are using him as an excuse. Then again you also said she isn't authentic so there is also that. I see your point. This weird attraction you talked about delves into something deeper than just the surface level and I feel that I can learn a lot from something like this so that is why I ask about this.
 

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I think some of you are missing the fact that this isn't all about dating either. This is about women in general. Twice during this acting class my female partner flaked out. The first one might have actually been a legit excuse (she claims that she had an audition and texted me about it), but the second one didn't even text until hours later and I had a new partner by then.

It's just getting annoying to associate with them.
Women are allergic to desperation.

You need to use women for networking purposes so that you can have more women to choose from. I currently know more women than men. And I use these women to meet other women. Things like group brunch, group dinners, group happy hours are great. You get the social proof through the group for starters. Then you get the easy access to all their friends. Then you get the opportunity to game new women in the environment because of your social proof.

I haven't been able to make a relationship work longer than a year so far. I've had 12 LTR and slept with over 60 women. Meeting new women and getting them interested has always been the easy part for me. The hard part is finding a woman worth long-term commitment.. which I'm increasingly starting to lose interest in. Even though a lot of my male friends are starting to settle down.
 

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You said that you believe she is still more attracted to you than to her so i don't see why you are using him as an excuse. Then again you also said she isn't authentic so there is also that. I see your point. This weird attraction you talked about delves into something deeper than just the surface level and I feel that I can learn a lot from something like this so that is why I ask about this.
Bingo. The only time that she was really being herself was when we had that mini fight. My body is telling me to stay away from her.

I think that she just reminds me of my younger sisters so that's where the odd feelings come in. It's apart of that child wounds things. We both activates one within us.

Women are allergic to desperation.

You need to use women for networking purposes so that you can have more women to choose from. I currently know more women than men. And I use these women to meet other women. Things like group brunch, group dinners, group happy hours are great. You get the social proof through the group for starters. Then you get the easy access to all their friends. Then you get the opportunity to game new women in the environment because of your social proof.

I haven't been able to make a relationship work longer than a year so far. I've had 12 LTR and slept with over 60 women. Meeting new women and getting them interested has always been the easy part for me. The hard part is finding a woman worth long-term commitment.. which I'm increasingly starting to lose interest in. Even though a lot of my male friends are starting to settle down.
I don't feel desperate. Just annoyed.

I kinda have that and I do date women from it. But there's only a certain type of woman that goes there, and they all have similar issues.

I don't really want an LTR. Right now I am more into building a loose harem.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Bingo. The only time that she was really being herself was when we had that mini fight. My body is telling me to stay away from her.

I think that she just reminds me of my younger sisters so that's where the odd feelings come in. It's apart of that child wounds things. We both activates one within us.


I don't feel desperate. Just annoyed.

I kinda have that and I do date women from it. But there's only a certain type of woman that goes there, and they all have similar issues.

I don't really want an LTR. Right now I am more into building a loose harem.
You reek of desperation.

and lol at "building a harem"

Maybe you need to tidy up your game so you stop getting flaked on, or decide if you are going mgtow or "building a harem"

you are all over the place and it shows, it's you who is the problem right now, not women.
 

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You just have oneitis. You're extrapolating your issues with one girl onto every girl--and even if you've spun your wheels with 20 girls or even 100 girls that's still such a minuscule sample size.

Oh, she flaked? Boo hoo. She stopped texting back? Boo hoo. She strung you on until she got a new boyfriend? Boo hoo. I mean, if you meet a girl who seems like she'd be a good fit it sucks when she shows you she isn't; but it happens--and no use crying over the fact that things aren't always the way you'd like them to be. You just have to accept the fact that it's a numbers game and determine what the value of going through the numbers is to you. For me, I'll deal with the flakes and b1tches to meet that one super cool girl every month or so. No biggie. But I literally flip over probably 100 stones to find one girl whose company I genuinely enjoy & even then she'll probably not make the cut for longterm commitment.

Is it a time investment? Sure. Is it emotionally taxing until you build up your emotional fortitude? Yeah. But you're like the guy who goes to the gym once every couple weeks, half-asses it, and complains that the gym is too hard and being in shape isn't even worth it. One girl. And it's not like you even know what to do with her. You're not even in touch enough with your biological desire (which is the foundation, when you strip away any intellectual bullsh1t, of who you are) to decide if you even want her, or in what capacity. No sh1t she'll flake on you. You're being wishy-washy and melodramatic. Right now you haven't given her a reality she could even submit to if she wanted to--and you're sitting back complaining like, Why won't she show me she's the one? Why do I have to take responsibility for going for what I want? There's a good chance she's already decided you can't give her a frame that she'll feel good existing within and has written you off--and it's 100% your fault.
 

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You reek of desperation.

and lol at "building a harem"

Maybe you need to tidy up your game so you stop getting flaked on, or decide if you are going mgtow or "building a harem"

you are all over the place and it shows, it's you who is the problem right now, not women.
How so?

Explain yourself. You know nothing about me.

You just have oneitis. You're extrapolating your issues with one girl onto every girl--and even if you've spun your wheels with 20 girls or even 100 girls that's still such a minuscule sample size.

Oh, she flaked? Boo hoo. She stopped texting back? Boo hoo. She strung you on until she got a new boyfriend? Boo hoo. I mean, if you meet a girl who seems like she'd be a good fit it sucks when she shows you she isn't; but it happens--and no use crying over the fact that things aren't always the way you'd like them to be. You just have to accept the fact that it's a numbers game and determine what the value of going through the numbers is to you. For me, I'll deal with the flakes and b1tches to meet that one super cool girl every month or so. No biggie. But I literally flip over probably 100 stones to find one girl whose company I genuinely enjoy & even then she'll probably not make the cut for longterm commitment.

Is it a time investment? Sure. Is it emotionally taxing until you build up your emotional fortitude? Yeah. But you're like the guy who goes to the gym once every couple weeks, half-asses it, and complains that the gym is too hard and being in shape isn't even worth it. One girl. And it's not like you even know what to do with her. You're not even in touch enough with your biological desire (which is the foundation, when you strip away any intellectual bullsh1t, of who you are) to decide if you even want her, or in what capacity. No sh1t she'll flake on you. You're being wishy-washy and melodramatic. Right now you haven't given her a reality she could even submit to if she wanted to--and you're sitting back complaining like, Why won't she show me she's the one? Why do I have to take responsibility for going for what I want? There's a good chance she's already decided you can't give her a frame that she'll feel good existing within and has written you off--and it's 100% your fault.
Oneitis over who? I was dating three women.

And don't criticize me for having emotions. Sorry that I'm not as mechanical as you. Perhaps that's why I'm an actor.
 

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These MGTOW guys are mainly frauds. You have two different groups within MGTOW:

#1.) GROUP ONE: You have the guys who HAVE been out here dating/fvcking/having relations with women and just do not like the new market dynamics. They have decided to just stop dating women for now. YOU never see these guys continually discussing women though.

#2.) GROUP TWO: Then you have the guys who can't GET LAID. They can't get a date, can't get a number, can't get pvssy, can't get shyt. They go MGTOW because they are sexually frustrated.

I believe that 80% of the MGTOW guys are in Group Two. It's why they keep discussing women even though they have supposedly gone their own way. They can't stop discussing bytches because they are sexually frustrated.
There are always "groups" within movements
 

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These MGTOW guys are mainly frauds. You have two different groups within MGTOW:

#1.) GROUP ONE: You have the guys who HAVE been out here dating/fvcking/having relations with women and just do not like the new market dynamics. They have decided to just stop dating women for now. YOU never see these guys continually discussing women though.

#2.) GROUP TWO: Then you have the guys who can't GET LAID. They can't get a date, can't get a number, can't get pvssy, can't get shyt. They go MGTOW because they are sexually frustrated.

I believe that 80% of the MGTOW guys are in Group Two. It's why they keep discussing women even though they have supposedly gone their own way. They can't stop discussing bytches because they are sexually frustrated.
I know the vast majority of them are frauds. I look at them like I looked at chicks on OLD. Time passing amusement.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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