You have to be a borderline Sociopath to get respect from modern women

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A lot of it has to do with the nature of attraction, but you're pretty much right. I think it works both ways, though. People want what they cant have, try to change / fix / save troubled people (ie, sociopaths), value those who dont want them and treat them poorly (There MUST be something special about them, right?), try to gain their approval and be "good enough" for them; go out of their way for them and gain their affection / interest... And all that chase / challenge ****... Wanting the "prize"...

Plus, people love drama, competing, analyzing, and complaining. *******s get under your skin, and are always on your mind - even if the thoughts are negative and hateful. ****, people are ALWAYS complaining about something, and *****ing about or criticizing someone, because they focus on the negatives more (and they have no ****ing lives). It's hard to find positive, secure people who are happy and have sufficient self-esteem.

Most high value people also dont give a **** about anyone other than themselves; have options; jump from one person to the next; only take and never give... People love to have things of value - even if there is no substance behind it. And most "hot" people have value, and automatically act this way - because they can.

So basically, yes. I think it also depends on the type of person, though. Everyone on here, for instance... Definitely, they love sociopaths. Ha Ha Ha... :nono:
 

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its so true, if you arent a guy who acts and dresses like someone on the Jersey Shore show then you are seen as weak or too nice or boring etc...

females want a dane cook while im more of a bill hicks
 

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The morality of our society is in the $hitter so bad is good, and good is bad. As moral declines in American, expect more women to love the bad and negatives of a man.
 

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Here is a perfect illustration of what I was talking about earlier and an example of how things should be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRYfouuHPvs

It's from the sixties. Notice the title it was given last year: "Absurdly sexist."

And read the comments: One says "She should have told him to make his own damn coffee." 46 thumbs up.

With this kind of attitude, is it any wonder there are so many divorces? This way of life has been demonized as "sexist" but it is so natural and so right.

Men asserting strength over women is not only a main principle on this site- it has been a main principle throughout the history of mankind.
 

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Who Dares Win said:
Despite is not that easy I agree with the message, actually Im much more relaxed and in peace with myself now that I can behave according to my animal impulses rather than the programming from society.

Lets be honest fellas, none of us is really a nice guy, we have been either because we were afraid of the punishment for not being such or because we tough that such behaviour would have grant us some benefit.

Its common enough for guys to behave "nice" to women cause psychologically inferior due to upbringing thus afraid of losing "approval" or unwilling to deal with overfeared psychological pressures.

Its not uncommon the case either of guys with low self esteem which try to compensate for their perceived lack in manliness with over niceness, something like a uncompetant worker with stays at work late to compensate with extra effort his inability.

Again for me its great, to release my instinct with no limitations is as liberating as stop lying when you have something to say.
That's exactly right. I know inside I'm not a nice guy at all. I could easily be an assassin and not lose sleep over it if I knew there would be no repercussions.

I was only nice in my youth because I thought it would lead me to the p*ssy. I never really cared about women.. I just wanted their approval so they would bang me... plus the approval of white knights so I could live in peace.

A lot of it was just avoiding harassment. When you operate outside the norm.. you get attention.. often negative attention. When you're in school and forced to be around lots of other people its harder. As an adult its a lot easier to live as you please because you have complete control over who you socialize with and how often (not including work). If people act stupid or start talking sh!t, you can just stop answering your phone. Problem solved.
 

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zekko said:
To be honest, no.

But that doesn't mean you can put a girl on a pedestal or follow after her like she's the best thing since sliced bread either. When you talk about treating women like replaceable toys, let's face it, an attractive woman has so many options, so many men hitting on her, that she will often view men as replaceable toys. So if you place to much value on her, from her experience that's telling her you have no options.

I think it's even necessary to show her that you appreciate her (there's such a thing as playing it too cool), it's just that you can't overdo it. But I don't think any of that is akin to being a sociopath, which is holding other people's feelings in complete disregard. Now if the girl herself is a sociopath, she will be more likely to respond to that approach.
Well.. that's my point. Most modern women today who are physically attractive are borderline sociopaths. They've had their azz kissed by men all their lives. They think they are better than everyone and don't have to care about other people at all.

Its rare I meet an attractive woman (8 in looks or higher).. who gives much of a crap about anything but herself.
 

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Danger said:
I agree with this post.

As lont as you differentiate "hating women" from "hating misandry". Too often people on this site seem to have no ability to clarify between the two.
I definitely do and I point out misandry in society and the media whenever I see it to create awareness.
 

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zekko said:
I'm with Darth here. I'm not compromising myself or my principles for a woman. If anybody is going to be doing the changing, it's her. I usually let them know (in subtle and in not so subtle ways) that I expect certain standards of behavior from them, and if they can't meet them, then my interest is going elsewhere.

It is not masculine to adapt to the woman, that's the most pussified AFC sh!t I can think of.

Isn't this one of the main principles of this site? That the male should lead and the woman will follow? And that this is what they are fundamentally attracted to? How do you get that when you throw all your convictions out the window in order to act like a sociopath to impress them? Fail.
I agree. I'm not really saying in the OP that anyone needs to adapt to women. I'm just saying you have to be a real d!ck to get RESPECT from women.

I have not changed who I am to get women. If anything, I have become MORE myself. I was never really a nice guy on the inside to begin with.

No one on this site is a nice guy. A real "nice guy" would not care about a site like this. They would be too busy helping some woman with her problems and being her therapist.
 

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zekko said:
Is there no middle ground here? You're only going to be jumping through her hoops if you are a little b!tch. And why treat her like a wh0re unless she is one? Well, except in the bedroom, of course ;)
Well.. it depends on what you mean by "hoops" I guess. You can call approaching a woman you find attractive a "hoop". You can say.. "Why can't that b*tch approach ME and ask ME out?"

See what I mean?

You just have to know what price you're willing to pay for p*ssy and refuse to deviate from it.
 

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It's all about social value and strong physical characteristics (good looks) if you have that chicks will hang outside your door in the rain like stray dogs. No need to be a sociopath to get chicks. Why would you want to suppress empathy or concern for your fellow human beings......to impress or get sex from a bunch of self-entitled little slores..... Guys need to stop selling themselves short to get laid.
 

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Django said:
It's all about social value and strong physical characteristics (good looks) if you have that chicks will hang outside your door in the rain like stray dogs. No need to be a sociopath to get chicks. Why would you want to suppress empathy or concern for your fellow human beings......to impress or get sex from a bunch of self-entitled little slores..... Guys need to stop selling themselves short to get laid.
First post and this guy already has it down.
 

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This is going to sound bad, but being able to hit a woman for the same actions you'd hit a man for would go a long way in evening things out. Furthermore, women shouldn't be able to elicit sympathy when they have to face the consequences of their actions. If I start a fight with someone physically larger and better skilled as a fighter and get my ass handed to me, people will say 'tough ****' and that I had that coming. With women, they can start a fight with someone larger than them and the larger person is now in a lose-lose. The larger person (presumably a man) gets hit, or they hit back and face a world of consequences.

Even when I go out I notice guys say 'excuse me' when walking by much more than women. We understand that we'll be held accountable for what we say/do. Women know they won't.

This is the same dynamic with the bullying issue in schools where kids are getting into more trouble for standing up for themselves than the bullies are.
 

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Aristippus said:
To the person who started this topic,

Here's what's really going on. The normal way that most men are taught to treat women is unbalanced. Men are taught and women expect, from a very young age, that women get a free pass to engage in uncivilized behavior. That no matter how ridiculous her demands and no matter how irrational she acts and no matter how bad her behavior is, he is supposed to always be nice to her and be there for her.

It's like the stupid little lists that sometimes you'll see women put up. "I want a man who is strong but sensitive. Can make me laugh but will also let me cry whenever I want. Will put up with all of my crazy behavior. Who will always tell me that I'm right, blah blah blah, yada yada bullsh*t bullsh*t.". Basically, she wants a doormat. And men are taught that they are supposed to be doormats when it comes to women.

The expectation is that you'll be her little chore boy, cater to any ridiculous demands she makes, allow her to act in any uncivilized manner she wishes when she experiences negative emotions, beg her for sex, and gladly pay for 100% of everything while she either gets to stay at home or if she works, she gets to spend all of the money she makes on HERSELF, while YOU are supposed to keep her up and pay for everything. Slavery isn't dead, my friend.

What I just stated above is most women's DREAM and also how most men believe they are supposed to behave. In this society, women are allowed to get away with entirely too much bad behavior. So, of course, since this extreme form of bootlicking that men are expected to do is encouraged and the brainwashing is so widespread, any treatment that you give a woman that deviates from this extreme form of grovelling bootlicking, seems mean and harsh if you still have traces of the old brainwashing in the back of your lizard brain.

What do you think would happen if a man started throwing a temper tantrum and demanding you do this and that and no matter how nice you were to him while throwing this tantrum, he kept acting like a fool and throwing even more of a tantrum and started acting ugly and disrespectful? You'd probably punch him in the face! I'm not saying that you should walk around punching people in the face, but you see, we know what civilized behavior is. And in situations OUTSIDE of romantic relationships, women are expected by society to behave in a civilized manner.

The one context where she should be expected to behave in the most civilized and ladylike manner, in a relationship with a man who will love her and protect her, the expectations are completely the opposite. Of course, I'm no fool. I don't play by those stupid rules. But just because you don't play by those stupid rules doesn't make you a sociopath. It has everything to do with expecting civilized, respectable, LADYLIKE behavior from the women you have romantic relationships with.

It also has everything to do with NOT TOLERATING UGLY, RUDE, MEAN, SPITEFUL, DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIOR FROM WOMEN.

This isn't always pleasant. Sometimes you have to put a woman in her place. Sometimes you have to put a stop to an idiotic temper tantrum or talk over her to put a stop to a wild string of illogical emotional ramblings. Especially when she is basically pulling words out of her a$$ and making unfair or unreasonable statements and then expecting to put you in some kind of a hotseat where you're "supposed" to reason her out of her unreasonable state. The wrong move is to play the submissive role to someone who is suffering from temporary insanity.

The right move is to tell her the conversation is over, that she's wrong, that she's being disrespectful, and that you don't have to answer to her but that she had better watch her tone or she will have to answer to YOU. Then simply be silent and don't say anything else, but keep powerful, dominant body language like you own yourself and that you own HER.

Save the rational, adult, grown-up conversation for times when she is not in a state of temporary insanity. Reasoning with a woman is, like everything else, about timing. There are times you can reason with them and times when you can't. When their negative emotions are at a peak, it's time to cut the conversation short, correct her, and go into "training mode". She has to learn that just like in any other situation in the civilized world, where she is expected to be well-behaved even when she is experiencing negative emotions, she must not use her bad moods as an excuse to be rude and disrespectful to you. You're her man. And you're there to love and protect her. But you're also there to correct her when she needs it and will NOT tolerate a situation where she uses her emotions as an excuse to act out unacceptable, disrespectful behavior.
Outstanding post. Quoted here in case anyone missed it.
 

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There are two types of women: (1) those who went through puberty after age 15 and have fair control of their behavior, and (2) those who went through precocious puberty and never mentally matured beyond age 13. Additionally, girls who were sexually abused -- become Type 2 even if they were "late bloomers." (For purposes of this discussion, "sexually abused" includes juvenile-like carelessness in sexual behavior, with a repeated use/abandonment cycle that for all practical purposes is the same as abuse/neglect.)

Almost every woman in developed countries suffers crippling immaturity. There's nothing that can be done to resume the mental growth of a person whose psychological development has been arrested. Dealing with a woman in the US is like managing a child or a mentally retarded adult. Worse still, the full force of the media chokes society with feminism. So it's difficult for most men to distinguish between the sociobiological causes of adult female immaturity, and sociopolitical exploitation of it.

This thread badly poses the problem, so it swings and misses at the solution. In almost all cases, male relationship behaviors did not cause and can not cure women's emotional difficulties. The same old misbehaviors will revisit every relationship. Being a better handler of childish adults will get you only so far. Mostly, it will get you a life of being a handler of childish adults.

It's bad enough that women spend their lives on a hormonal roller coaster ride that eventually crashes. Even worse, women in developed countries do so with the misbehaviors of children. Misbehaviors that are protected by the liberal nanny state.

I disagree that men are "bad" for correcting childish behavior in women -- any more than men are "bad" for farting and sh1tting. Both are necessities that have a correct time and place. You wouldn't berate your woman at a restaurant table any more than you would defecate there. Most importantly, a man wouldn't imitate the shaming behaviors of women and feign correction at horribly inappropriate times and places.

I'm in the Anti-Dump camp. Spin places, screen, and protect your heart while searching for a quality woman who can rear your children. There is a lot of good advice offered, but the main point is mistaken. I'm a good man and becoming a better man precisely because I want better for myself than to be a handler of an emotionally retarded, psychologically arrested child-woman. Sure, I've taken some pretty deep wounds along the way. Who hasn't? Point is, it doesn't make you a better or worse man for being hurt. All it makes you is: a man.
 

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geez, some of you are so freakin bitter
 

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Django said:
It's all about social value and strong physical characteristics (good looks) if you have that chicks will hang outside your door in the rain like stray dogs (snip)
Yes, but you can have the same results without having either.
 

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Django said:
. Why would you want to suppress empathy or concern for your fellow human beings......
This. Strength and kindness are not mutually exclusive.

Down Low said:
I'm a good man and becoming a better man precisely because I want better for myself than to be a handler of an emotionally retarded, psychologically arrested child-woman.
Right. There's absolutely no reason to be bitter, either- nor should you. Simply keep improving yourself, not only on the outside but your morals on the inside. Be part of the solution and not the problem. And keep looking for a girl that is NOT the things we complain about on this site; isn't that what we all want in the end?

I think there is no question that you can get respect from the average modern woman without being a sociopath, but the real question is- do you even care to be attracting the average modern woman? I would rather be single for the rest of my life and not date any women if they were all horrible human beings. They're not- you've just got to wait it out and be ready when opportunity knocks.

(In my opinion.)
 

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They have no use for men any longer other than to provide for children. Put them in the right situation and they will treat you well.

My friend got married recently. They re-located to be closer to their parents, meaning the woman was without a job for a few weeks while my friend kept in the same company, just a different store.

During that time he came home to a perfectly clean house, a hearty meal and a long massage. Then gets woken up with a bj & breakfast.

Within her first week back at work, she comes home and says "it's your turn to do the dishes, I'm off to bed".
 

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PlayHerMan said:
Well.. that's my point. Most modern women today who are physically attractive are borderline sociopaths. They've had their azz kissed by men all their lives. They think they are better than everyone and don't have to care about other people at all.
Well, that's true enough. But I'm at a point in my life where I'm not attracted to women who are sociopaths, I tend to avoid people like that. Admittedly, sometimes it's hard to overlook their physical attributes. Good women are hard to find.

PlayHerWell said:
I was never really a nice guy on the inside to begin with.
I confess I'm not the nicest guy on the planet either. I tend to be pretty selfish, really. But that doesn't make me a sociopath, I mean I have some empathy for people. But I haven't found that to be a hindrance in creating attraction.
 

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Everyone is selfish. Girls like a sense of adventure and guys like *****. Why make it so complicated by saying that they are "*****s"? Are you frustrated? Maybe you have a bad personality that girls don't find attractive.
 
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