"You are attractive, but you are too old"

[stevera004]

Originally posted by MrLuvr
This thread was dead until some 40 yr old woman decided to drag it up again and tell us how her 19 yr old daughter thinks that any guy over 25 hitting on her was a pervert. The SAME 40 yr old woman who herself tells us that she dates (or at least tries to date) much younger men.

She's a typical delusional chick: reminds me of this 40+ y.o. that I talked to recently who wants to only date 'tall guys'; I said cool. I said I only want to date 'slim, young women'. Her predictable chick respones: 'Men are so shallow' . :crackup:

BTW, this thread should be merged with that other thread with the delusional 40 year old. She is so busy getting hit on by 27 year old guys that she has no time to respond to 2 different threads.

Ciao,

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by ksoileau
Maybe you're being sincere when you condemn older guys for going after young adult women. Or maybe you actually fear that you're losing the competition with these younger women, and you're slyly trying to fight back by intimidating and shaming men into eliminating that competition from consideration, thus enhancing your prospects.

One thing's for sure, this thread is of no benefit at all to the MEN for whom this forum exists. It's become just a showcase for your obvious need to create turmoil and get attention.

I'm being very sincere. And I didn't intend to stay on this thread beyond my initial post. However, a few of the guys on here who are arguing that it's perfectly acceptable for older men to go after much younger women have been flaming me on another thread because I won't date much older men and prefer men who are younger than I am. They're being hypocritical and ridiculous. As for ANYONE who is 18 or 19 years old (male or female)...MORALLY and ETHICALLY...they should be considered OFF LIMITS to anyone over the age of 25, max. Heck, 25 is even a bit old for 18 or 19.

If you look back at my initial post, it was on topic and it wasn't until AFTER I got insulted that I entered into this little argument.

 

[MrLuvr]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
As for ANYONE who is 18 or 19 years old (male or female)...MORALLY and ETHICALLY...they should be considered OFF LIMITS to anyone over the age of 25, max. Heck, 25 is even a bit old for 18 or 19.

And who left you in charge of deciding what is morally and ethically correct?

Why don't you just worry about dating guys that are young enough to be your sons.

People that live in glass houses are harldy in a position to throw stones.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MrLuvr
And who left you in charge of deciding what is morally and ethically correct?

Why don't you just worry about dating guys that are young enough to be your sons.

People that live in glass houses are harldy in a position to throw stones.

Even at 25 I still would NEVER date an 18 or 19 year old. So, I'm not saying it's wrong for others to do something I'm doing. I DON'T date 18 or 19 year olds because it'd be disgusting for anyone around my age to date someone THAT is technically STILL a TEENAGER.

I'm 39. You are 38, correct? If you go after an 18 or 19 year old I think you're a pig. If a woman my age went after an 18 or 19 year old, they would be pigs, too. There you have it.

 

[Royal Elite]

The entire law system has stated that after a person reaches a certain age they are considered adults with legal rights! Im just trying to figure out how you (wlydefire) came to the conclusion that your view somehow superceides theirs.

2. I would also like to know at what age after becoming an adult do you become more adult? If you are legally an adult at 18 to have and adult relationship, what age do you become more adult to date any age you want?

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Royal Elite
The entire law system has stated that after a person reaches a certain age they are considered adults with legal rights! Im just trying to figure out how you (wlydefire) came to the conclusion that your view somehow superceides theirs.

2. I would also like to know at what age after becoming an adult do you become more adult? If you are legally an adult at 18 to have and adult relationship, what age do you become more adult to date any age you want?

The main reason I posted in this thread is because the individual who started it was pitching a hysterical fit over me (I'm 39) dating men who are 28 and older but refusing to date a 54 year old man. Him and a few others were genuinely pissed that I won't date men significantly older than I am because I don't find them attractive. After listening to post after post of complaining about me, I noticed this thread. It was a case of hypocrisy at it's worst.

Now to answer your question...

I am a parent of 3 teenagers. One happens to be a 19 year old girl. She is extremely emotionally mature for her age...much more mature than any girl her age I've ever known or met. Even so, as her parent and the person who knows her best I can confidently say that she isn't well suited for a man over 25...if even that much older. If the most mature girl that age I know is too young for a man over 25 then a less mature girl her age is certainly too young for a man almost 40. Those men inherently KNOW this, yet they still pursue these girls because they are naive and innocent and those kind of men think if they get a young girl they can turn her into whoever they want her to be because she is so impressionable at that age. It's just predatory. It would also be predatory if I got involved with an 18 or 19 year old boy. I'm being 100% consistent about this...so it's not just a case of me thinking it's just bad and wrong if men do this. Women who do it are just as bad.

 

[al77]

....Those men inherently KNOW this, yet they still pursue these girls because they are naive and innocent and those kind of men think if they get a young girl they can turn her into whoever they want her to be because she is so impressionable at that age.
It's just predatory. It would also be predatory if I got involved with an 18 or 19 year old boy. [/B]

Men dont give a fvck about that, they see a very young pvssy and it turn them of. Not that they can turn that pvssy into something

Why would anyone think that if 38yo woman goes for 19y.o. guy it is predatory? He wants sex more than she does. Does she want him? Does he want her? Who is the prey and who is the predator?
All this boils down that women are inherently unable to tell the truth: instead they tend to put label like "predatory" cuz they are afarid to speak the truth.
So what would you prefer Wyldfire, that some 18-19 y.o. dumbass has sex with you daughter instead of 25 y.o man? Why? Maybe becauze at 19 guys are more careless?

 

[white sox bill]

Wyldfire

Let me try and show you how a lot of men feel about *ahem* "young woman".

Us men are visual creatures hence we are drawn to porn--and we like to have all the lights on when we are shagging. Its the visual effect. That nut feels better when we can see what we are f**king.

When we look at younger females we ask ourselves:
1) Are her thighs larger in diameter at the top then down by her ankles?
2) Does she have some type of breast development?
3) Is her face nice pretty and wrinkle free?


Assuming yes is answered to all above, we can establish that this female is at least 14 years old--jailbait. 15 same 16 same and 17 same. We look but can't touch. At 18 its game regardless of maturity. A hard co*k has no consious. It looks good to us and we want to penetrate it peroid. We aren't asking to have a relationship with them or to talk about social problems of third world countries. we want to boof them.

Now I'm single and have NO kids. That probably influenzes my views. I'm almost certain if I had a daughter in that age range, I would think different. But thats a moote point.

I will never apologize for having a high testosterone count or for thinking like a man.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by white sox bill
Wyldfire

Let me try and show you how a lot of men feel about *ahem* "young woman".

Us men are visual creatures hence we are drawn to porn--and we like to have all the lights on when we are shagging. Its the visual effect. That nut feels better when we can see what we are f**king.

When we look at younger females we ask ourselves:
1) Are her thighs larger in diameter at the top then down by her ankles?
2) Does she have some type of breast development?
3) Is her face nice pretty and wrinkle free?


Assuming yes is answered to all above, we can establish that this female is at least 14 years old--jailbait. 15 same 16 same and 17 same. We look but can't touch. At 18 its game regardless of maturity. A hard co*k has no consious. It looks good to us and we want to penetrate it peroid. We aren't asking to have a relationship with them or to talk about social problems of third world countries. we want to boof them.

Now I'm single and have NO kids. That probably influenzes my views. I'm almost certain if I had a daughter in that age range, I would think different. But thats a moote point.

I will never apologize for having a high testosterone count or for thinking like a man.

I'm not asking anyone to apologize for being attracted to still teenage girls. I also won't apologize for considering lodging a bullet in the cranium of any man your age who attempted to take advantage of my teenage daughter.

Tit for tat...

 

[white sox bill]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I'm not asking anyone to apologize for being attracted to still teenage girls. I also won't apologize for considering lodging a bullet in the cranium of any man your age who attempted to take advantage of my teenage daughter.

Tit for tat...

Ah violent tendicies...thats one for the Dr's with the PhD's to wrangle over. What if your 18 yr old daughter willingly dropped her pants for someone my age? Thats taking advantage?!

Hell I remember way back when they were younger than that and how easy it was...

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by white sox bill
Ah violent tendicies...thats one for the Dr's with the PhD's to wrangle over. What if your 18 yr old daughter willingly dropped her pants for someone my age? Thats taking advantage?!

Hell I remember way back when they were younger than that and how easy it was...

Any good parent is protective of their children. My daughter is 19 and she thinks anyone over 25 hitting on her is gross. So she wouldn't want anyone your age pursuing her. If they persisted I'd likely become a force to be reckoned with. I assure you that if you had an 18 or 19 year old daughter and a guy your age was chasing her you'd want to kill him. Ask anyone here who has a daughter...

 

[white sox bill]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Any good parent is protective of their children. My daughter is 19 and she thinks anyone over 25 hitting on her is gross. So she wouldn't want anyone your age pursuing her. If they persisted I'd likely become a force to be reckoned with. I assure you that if you had an 18 or 19 year old daughter and a guy your age was chasing her you'd want to kill him. Ask anyone here who has a daughter...

Yes thats makes perfect sense...but not all 19 yr olds feel that way. I remember when my niece was that age...I was protective of her. Sorry I don't think of killing anyone though. Peace Wyldfire

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by white sox bill
Yes thats makes perfect sense...but not all 19 yr olds feel that way. I remember when my niece was that age...I was protective of her. Sorry I don't think of killing anyone though. Peace Wyldfire

Oh, I wouldn't actually kill anyone either...unless they molested, raped or seriously injured one of my kids. Then I could kill mercilessly and without remorse. I'm meaner than a gut shot grizzly if someone hurts one of my children.

If a much older man were pursuing my 19 year old daughter I WOULD make his life a living hell until he stayed away from her, though. Again, I strongly feel that much older men chasing after very young girls is predatory...and I would view any such man as a predator out to harm my child and take advantage of her. I would view and treat such a man as a predator because of my personal beliefs. This type of thing would genuinely bother the parent of any girl that age in this country.

 

[Mischka]

What are you discussing here? This is pointless.

Two people over 18 have sex because they both want to. Fine. Legal. Let the moral be their business.

Wyldfire's daughter would never consider dating men over 25. Fine. Legal. Who cares?

A murderer is a criminal and will go to jail, regardless if his victim raped her daughter. We have a law. Fine.

 

[Bonhomme]

What if your daughter did want to go out with an older (say in his 40s, for example) man, Wyldfyre?

If she doesn't want someone to be in her life, that's one thing, and it would be proper to help her ward him off in any way; if she does, that's another, and it would be dead wrong (not to mention alienating) to interfere against her wishes, unless you can see without prejudice (which, in your case, does not appear possible) that he is indeed bad news, in which case you would have to walk a fine line, so as not to be someone they could unite against, if you catch my drift.

If an older man does have a predatory relationship with a younger woman, that's one thing; if he treats her well (and often an older man will treat a young woman much better than a hormone-driven young thug will), that's another.

I've been with older women and younger women, relative to my age, and can't say I treat them according to any different standards. Of course I treat each one a bit differently, because each one is a different person.

Sometimes courts get things wrong (O.J., anyone?), Wyldfyre, but the implications of your post illustrate why we need to have them. Nazis and Maoists have very strong personal beliefs, too.

"Beliefs" can be very dangerous things.

 

[Bonhomme]

My daughter feels like older men who hit on her are trying to take advantage of her because she is young. That's why she views them as perverts. Ironically, this is a topic that she and I never even discussed until a 25 year old got one of our 15 year old neighbors pregnant with twins. That's when she let her views be known, very adamantly, I might add. A girl she works with who is 18 started dating one of the managers who is 34. My daughter is thoroughly disgusted by the guy. She thinks he's a nasty pig...her words, not mine. She has also said that guys 25 would be too old for her. If someone she feels is too old hits on her she views them as perverts...because of her views on age difference. That is her morals and values.

OK. Those first impressions of older man / younger woman relationships have obviously cast her views. Though I don't agree (having experienced otherwise in many, if not most of my relationships), I can understand where she's coming from.

As to whether men or women age better, it's strictly an individual thing. I think it's foolish to speak in generalities. There are plenty of men and women in their 40s who are generally regarded as among the hottest people out there, though age does tend to impart a sort of "ruggedness," and "ruggedness" wears better on men than women.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Bonhomme
What if your daughter did want to go out with an older (say in his 40s, for example) man, Wyldfyre?

If she doesn't want someone to be in her life, that's one thing, and it would be proper to help her ward him off in any way; if she does, that's another, and it would be dead wrong (not to mention alienating) to interfere against her wishes, unless you can see without prejudice (which, in your case, does not appear possible) that he is indeed bad news, in which case you would have to walk a fine line, so as not to be someone they could unite against, if you catch my drift.

If an older man does have a predatory relationship with a younger woman, that's one thing; if he treats her well (and often an older man will treat a young woman much better than a hormone-driven young thug will), that's another.

I've been with older women and younger women, relative to my age, and can't say I treat them according to any different standards. Of course I treat each one a bit differently, because each one is a different person.

Sometimes courts get things wrong (O.J., anyone?), Wyldfyre, but the implications of your post illustrate why we need to have them. Nazis and Maoists have very strong personal beliefs, too.

"Beliefs" can be very dangerous things.

My daughter thinks older men hitting on her are gross, so there is no reason for me to not be protective of her should any older men pursue her.

If she wanted to date someone old enough to be her father I would never approve regardless of how he treated her because it is against my values. Even though I prefer younger men I would never date someone young enough to be my son. That's just gross. My views aren't going to change on this and it's pointeless to try to convince me otherwise. Again...if a much older man were pursuing my daughter (who doesn't want to be purused by them) I would make it very unpleasant for him to puruse her. Being a parent who loves and is protective of their child doesn't stop when the child turns 18.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Bonhomme
OK. Those first impressions of older man / younger woman relationships have obviously cast her views. Though I don't agree (having experienced otherwise in many, if not most of my relationships), I can understand where she's coming from.

As to whether men or women age better, it's strictly an individual thing. I think it's foolish to speak in generalities. There are plenty of men and women in their 40s who are generally regarded as among the hottest people out there, though age does tend to impart a sort of "ruggedness," and "ruggedness" wears better on men than women.

It's not first impressions...it's values and morals. I was raised to believe certain things are inherently wrong. That's why I don't do drugs, don't drink and drive, don't steal, don't gamble, don't spend money I don't have, always work hard...etc. Everyone has standards they live by...my family is no exception.

 

[white sox bill]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
It's not first impressions...it's values and morals. I was raised to believe certain things are inherently wrong. That's why I don't do drugs, don't drink and drive, don't steal, don't gamble, don't spend money I don't have, always work hard...etc. Everyone has standards they live by...my family is no exception.

Ok wyldfire, so lets hypothetically say for the next 2 years your 19 yr old dates a**holes, jerks and freaks. They abuse her, they cheat on her, lie to her,mess with her emotions etc. Then out of the blue, she decides she will go out w/someone twice her age who treats her like a queen,doesn't lie cheat or mess with her and is the symbol of decentness.

What would you say now? Don't really think the word morals really fits here...is age difference mentioned in the Bible or Ten Comandments? I would hope you would support your daughter even if she she choose someone NOT in your "belief range"

BTW I'm on YOUR side regarding the issue of predator thing. If a man is rebuffed by ANY woman, much younger or older he must back off immeadiatly. If a woman isn't interested, hey move on!!

I can understand you being protective of your daughters..thats the maternal instinct...so keep THAT up! Peace!

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by white sox bill
Ok wyldfire, so lets hypothetically say for the next 2 years your 19 yr old dates a**holes, jerks and freaks. They abuse her, they cheat on her, lie to her,mess with her emotions etc. Then out of the blue, she decides she will go out w/someone twice her age who treats her like a queen,doesn't lie cheat or mess with her and is the symbol of decentness.

What would you say now? Don't really think the word morals really fits here...is age difference mentioned in the Bible or Ten Comandments? I would hope you would support your daughter even if she she choose someone NOT in your "belief range"

BTW I'm on YOUR side regarding the issue of predator thing. If a man is rebuffed by ANY woman, much younger or older he must back off immeadiatly. If a woman isn't interested, hey move on!!

I can understand you being protective of your daughters..thats the maternal instinct...so keep THAT up! Peace!

First, let me say this...God help ANY guy or ANY age who mistreats my daughter. When anyone hurts a child of mine I am meaner than a gut shot grizzly protecting her cubs.

Secondly...my daughter won't tolerate being cheated on, abused, lied to or mistreated. And even if she found herself in that kind of situation, I'd not allow it to go on. It comes down to being a protective parent. If that means that I would have to be a biotch...then so be it. My kids come first and no one hurts them without then having to deal with me.

Lastly...my daughter is genuinely disgusted by the idea of a significantly older man. That's not going to change. It's not just a matter of her not preferring older men...she's repulsed by older men chasing girls her age. I know her well, and it's highly unlikely she'll ever have anything to do with a man more than 5 years older than she is.

This isn't a matter of me interferring in something she wants...it's a simple case of me stating emphatically that if a man she doesn't want chasing her bugs her...he won't do it for very long.