"You are attractive, but you are too old"

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Originally posted by MrLuvr

Not being attracted to an older man is one thing. Thinking that a man over 25 being attracted to a 19 year old is a "pervert" is totally another and goes to show more about her mental development, or should I say "lack of" than anything else.

Agreed, this labelling and shaming of men and mens natural urges is quite frankly disgusting. And furthermore for the parent of this backward female to come to a forum where the majority of posters are men and brag about her daughters behaviour and attitude toward men whos only crime is being attracted to the female body is fvcking insane.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Originally posted by ER!C L!VE

The one's who grew up with an absent father or who do not get along with their fathers are easiest. :cheer:

Exactly, you are right on. These are the girls who have issues with their old man and NEED a challenge, so they tend to be attracted to older guys because....well, I don't want to tell you why.

ER!C L!VE, don't share these great tips with everyone here, lets keep the young babes for us only.

To wyldfire, your daughter is grossed out by 24 year olds (who don't have old looking hair, make up to cover wrinkles, saggy bodies, and tons of bagage), but those same 20 something guys are not grossed out by you, who's 40? Hmm, unusual!

Your daughter, who probably has issues with her father, if there was any relationship at all, would be among the easiest to get sarged by guys a little older, as in late 20's early 30's (who for the most part have not begun to show the signs of aging as someone who's closer to 40), not the 50 somethings. Men at that age still don't look old, just like most women of that age still look pretty good, that is if they did when they were young.
Doesn't matter what she says, what matters is what is in that head of hears, in terms of life issues, and how the psyche works. Remeber, with women, what they say is rarely what they do.

People who put up sigs that say : "No Soliciting", etc. are among the most scared to deal with salespeople, because they are the most gullible, and usually get sold. I am saying usually, not saying everybody. Every now and then man bites dog, but those cases are far in between.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Gangster Of Love
Exactly, you are right on. These are the girls who have issues with their old man and NEED a challenge, so they tend to be attracted to older guys because....well, I don't want to tell you why.

ER!C L!VE, don't share these great tips with everyone here, lets keep the young babes for us only.

To wyldfire, your daughter is grossed out by 24 year olds (who don't have old looking hair, make up to cover wrinkles, saggy bodies, and tons of bagage), but those same 20 something guys are not grossed out by you, who's 40? Hmm, unusual!

Your daughter, who probably has issues with her father, if there was any relationship at all, would be among the easiest to get sarged by guys a little older, as in late 20's early 30's (who for the most part have not begun to show the signs of aging as someone who's closer to 40), not the 50 somethings. Men at that age still don't look old, just like most women of that age still look pretty good, that is if they did when they were young.
Doesn't matter what she says, what matters is what is in that head of hears, in terms of life issues, and how the psyche works. Remeber, with women, what they say is rarely what they do.

People who put up sigs that say : "No Soliciting", etc. are among the most scared to deal with salespeople, because they are the most gullible, and usually get sold. I am saying usually, not saying everybody. Every now and then man bites dog, but those cases are far in between.

She's not "grossed out" by guys in their 20's per say. She just holds the opinion that it is gross for considerably older men to chase after girls her age. As a guy before me pointed out...she views those men as being perverts. She would never even date a considerably older man. For some people age difference is a morals/values issue...and that's the case with her. It wouldn't matter how good the guy looks or how young he looks with her.

Her father has issues, but she doesn't have issues with him. She's not a girl who is looking for a father like boyfriend. She thinks girls who are like that need their heads examined and she's right. They've got serious emotional issues and are extremely vulnerable. Ethically, to me, that is a very big part of what makes far older men purusing these girls be so inherently wrong. Even though they are technically adults, it is taking advantage of their vulnerable emotions and I just think that's pretty low. It's not about a guy being attracted to these girls that is gross to me, that's normal. It's just that these girls being so vulnerable makes pursuing them kind of predatory, and that's what is gross, in my opinion.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
She's not "grossed out" by guys in their 20's per say. She just holds the opinion that it is gross for considerably older men to chase after girls her age. As a guy before me pointed out...she views those men as being perverts. She would never even date a considerably older man. For some people age difference is a morals/values issue...and that's the case with her. It wouldn't matter how good the guy looks or how young he looks with her.

Her father has issues, but she doesn't have issues with him. She's not a girl who is looking for a father like boyfriend. She thinks girls who are like that need their heads examined and she's right. They've got serious emotional issues and are extremely vulnerable. Ethically, to me, that is a very big part of what makes far older men purusing these girls be so inherently wrong. Even though they are technically adults, it is taking advantage of their vulnerable emotions and I just think that's pretty low. It's not about a guy being attracted to these girls that is gross to me, that's normal. It's just that these girls being so vulnerable makes pursuing them kind of predatory, and that's what is gross, in my opinion.

Fair enough, so you're saying that once she's 25-26 years old, it would not be perverted for a 40 year old to go for her? Yeah, kinda what you do, go for much younger men. What if she was attracted to them? Are you attracted to 40 year old men? If yes, why? If yes, is it possible that she would also find them attractive? After all, if they were good looking at whatever age, her age would not affect their looks in particular.

What makes you different when you go after young men who have not had a chance to go get married and experience what they should, and learn from all their fvck ups in life? You going for them also prevents them from experiencing what young men their age should. Does that make you "ethically wrong"? I know that it sounds silly when its a guy who's being taken advantage of, but it is not that different.

Believe me, most, not all, but most men are still not ready or have not experienced everything they need to in their twenties, or even early 30's. So why would they go for older women instead of finding somebody their age to make their life and share their dreams? Well, that's been beat to death on that other thread.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Gangster Of Love
Fair enough, so you're saying that once she's 25-26 years old, it would not be perverted for a 40 year old to go for her? Yeah, kinda what you do, go for much younger men. What if she was attracted to them? Are you attracted to 40 year old men? If yes, why? If yes, is it possible that she would also find them attractive? After all, if they were good looking at whatever age, her age would not affect their looks in particular.

What makes you different when you go after young men who have not had a chance to go get married and experience what they should, and learn from all their fvck ups in life? You going for them also prevents them from experiencing what young men their age should. Does that make you "ethically wrong"? I know that it sounds silly when its a guy who's being taken advantage of, but it is not that different.

Believe me, most, not all, but most men are still not ready or have not experienced everything they need to in their twenties, or even early 30's. So why would they go for older women instead of finding somebody their age to make their life and share their dreams? Well, that's been beat to death on that other thread.

I doubt my daughter would ever get involved with anyone more than around 5 years older than her. Age seems to matter to her as much as it does to me, but in a different way. I don't think she'll date younger men.

As for me, there are a few men my age and slightly older that I find attractive, but not a lot. That could be the area I live in or not. I probably would not date anyone under 27. I would also not date a man whose goal was marriage or to have children. I don't "chase" after anyone. It's the man's job to pursue and approach the woman. So, a younger man who wants to marry and have kids isn't likely to approach me anyway. If he does, as soon as I find out what his goals are, I will make it clear to him that he will not find that from me and should move along. I would never waste anyone's time like that, just as I would hope they would not waste my time. There are A LOT of men in the age range I prefer who have already married and divorced and have children. There are also quite a few men who don't want marriage or children.

 

[MrLuvr]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I doubt my daughter would ever get involved with anyone more than around 5 years older than her. Age seems to matter to her as much as it does to me, but in a different way. I don't think she'll date younger men.

As for me, there are a few men my age and slightly older that I find attractive, but not a lot. That could be the area I live in or not. I probably would not date anyone under 27. I would also not date a man whose goal was marriage or to have children. I don't "chase" after anyone. It's the man's job to pursue and approach the woman. So, a younger man who wants to marry and have kids isn't likely to approach me anyway. If he does, as soon as I find out what his goals are, I will make it clear to him that he will not find that from me and should move along. I would never waste anyone's time like that, just as I would hope they would not waste my time. There are A LOT of men in the age range I prefer who have already married and divorced and have children. There are also quite a few men who don't want marriage or children.

And by the same token most 18 - 21 yr old girls don't want to get married anyway. They just want to have fun. So, what difference does it make if they have fun with a 20 yr old guy or a 30 yr old guy as long as both know the score? What is so predatory about it? For all intents and purposes an 18 year old is an ADULT. Whatever you may think. They are given all the rights and responsibilities of an adult. Maybe we should change the age of majority to something else in your daughter's case? How about 30? Do you think she will be an adult by then? If she is anything like her mother, I doubt it.

A 27 year old man should be dating your daughter and probably has more in common with her than her 39 year old mother. Your hypocrisy and attempts to justify yourself are quite humorous actually.

 

[SAYNO]

Thats why I don't Bother

To read wyldliars posts anymore, she's just an old, flaky, washed up hypocritical liar!


Sayno'

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MrLuvr
And by the same token most 18 - 21 yr old girls don't want to get married anyway. They just want to have fun. So, what difference does it make if they have fun with a 20 yr old guy or a 30 yr old guy as long as both know the score? What is so predatory about it? For all intents and purposes an 18 year old is an ADULT. Whatever you may think. They are given all the rights and responsibilities of an adult. Maybe we should change the age of majority to something else in your daughter's case? How about 30? Do you think she will be an adult by then? If she is anything like her mother, I doubt it.

A 27 year old man should be dating your daughter and probably has more in common with her than her 39 year old mother. Your hypocrisy and attempts to justify yourself are quite humorous actually.

You were one of the guys having an all out tantrum over me saying I won't date significantly older men. You guys were saying you want to get married and have kids and that's why you're going after much younger women. Now you're changing the story?

I didn't say I think older men dating younger women is wrong. I just said that I think 30+ year old men chasing after 18 and 19 year old girls is gross and kinda predatory. I would say the same thing about a 30+ year old woman going after 18 and 19 year old boys. Teenagers, even if barely adults, should be off limits to anyone considerably older. It's an ethical and moral issue.

My hypocrisy? LMAO... This, coming from someone who was throwing a fit over me preferring men 27 to 35? At least I'm not cruising the high school parking lot looking for a date. I wait until they're 5 years beyond a 4 year college degree and let them grow up a little bit. And I'm quite certain I have far more in common with a 27 year old man who has been to college and works full time than you would have in common with an 18 year old who still lives at home, drives her parent's car and is still raving about her high school prom. :crackup:

And stop insulting my daughter. She's not here and has said nothing to you.

 

[Wyldfire]

Re: Thats why I don't Bother

Originally posted by SAYNO
To read wyldliars posts anymore, she's just an old, flaky, washed up hypocritical liar!


Sayno'

Why are you so angry? You have twice called me a liar. Kindly point out to where I have supposedly "lied". And to be hypocritical one has to think it is okay for them to do something but not okay for others to do the same thing. I'm not being hypocritical at all. You, however, are being hypocritical. I see nothing wrong with a 39 year old man dating women 27 to 45 (the age range I set for myself). I do, however, find it inherently wrong for 30+ year olds going after 18 and 19 year olds...regardless of gender.

 

[MrLuvr]

Originally posted by Wyldfire

I didn't say I think older men dating younger women is wrong. I just said that I think 30+ year old men chasing after 18 and 19 year old girls is gross and kinda predatory. I would say the same thing about a 30+ year old woman going after 18 and 19 year old boys. Teenagers, even if barely adults, should be off limits to anyone considerably older. It's an ethical and moral issue.

Please explain why it is gross? She is a woman. She is sexually active. She is legal. Men are attracted to women that are most likely to produce offspring. Not shrivelled old prunes.

At 18, she is old enough to be recruited to go to Iraq. As a matter of fact Army recruiters start chasing kids at 17. An 18 year old has the maturity and ability to go to war, fight, shoot and kill people. And you are telling me that they are not old enough or mature enough to have relationships with 30 year olds? BTW.. you first told us that your daughter thought that anyone over 25 chasing her was a pervert. A grown, young man chasing a grown, young woman is a pervert!

Both you mother and daughter need to get your head examined.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MrLuvr
Please explain why it is gross? She is a woman. She is sexually active. She is legal. Men are attracted to women that are most likely to produce offspring. Not shrivelled old prunes.

At 18, she is old enough to be recruited to go to Iraq. As a matter of fact Army recruiters start chasing kids at 17. An 18 year old has the maturity and ability to go to war, fight, shoot and kill people. And you are telling me that they are not old enough or mature enough to have relationships with 30 year olds? BTW.. you first told us that your daughter thought that anyone over 25 chasing her was a pervert. A grown, young man chasing a grown, young woman is a pervert!

Both you mother and daughter need to get your head examined.

It is gross because emotionally, girls who are 18 and 19 are still more child than adult. I'm a parent of a 19 year old girl. It sounds like Francisco is a parent too because he clearly understands exactly why it's not okay for a man your age to be trying to get an 18 or 19 year old girl into bed. Kids that age, in a lot of ways, are still children and when a much older and more experienced adult chases after them for sex it's predatory. That is why it's gross.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

It is gross because she's your daughter. Any mother knowing their 27 year old son being seeked by 40 year old women predators, would also feel is perverted, and gross. Now you know how people feel. Haha.

The thing abou it is that, just like those guys who get involved with you can make their own decisions, a young woman can make her own decisions, and when she is attracted to an older guy, she will go for it. No matter how much the parent or anybody objects.

Lets face it, a guy in his late 20's early 30's has a lot more going for himself, and IS STILL VERY ATTRACTIVE PHYSICALLY, if they were to begin with. So the looks haven't gone, unlike women pushing 40.

 

[MrLuvr]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
It is gross because emotionally, girls who are 18 and 19 are still more child than adult. I'm a parent of a 19 year old girl. It sounds like Francisco is a parent too because he clearly understands exactly why it's not okay for a man your age to be trying to get an 18 or 19 year old girl into bed. Kids that age, in a lot of ways, are still children and when a much older and more experienced adult chases after them for sex it's predatory. That is why it's gross.

WHy don't you try to answer my post. Concentrate.

So, 18 year olds are mature enough to go to war and engage in killing in the battlefield but not ok to have sex with an older man? DOn't go off on your tangent and repeat your same crap ad nauseum. Are 18 year olds being recruited to Iraq? Do you support your government? Do you support your troops? Or do you think it is predatory of them to send 18 year olds to get killed?

There are a lot worse things in life than 18 year old girls enjoying and learning about healthy sex with older men.

And please tell us again why your 19 year old daughter thinks 25 year old men are "perverts" if they chase her. I would like to hear that ridiculous logic again.

 

[MrLuvr]

Originally posted by Gangster Of Love

Lets face it, a guy in his late 20's early 30's has a lot more going for himself, and IS STILL VERY ATTRACTIVE PHYSICALLY, if they were to begin with. So the looks haven't gone, unlike women pushing 40.

BTW, another reason 40 yr old men date women in their 20s is because men age MUCH better than women.

A 40 year old man can still look very good and fit if he takes care of himself. While a woman at 40 starts looking old and haggard. Why would an attractive man want to be with a haggard 40 year old woman? Heck women hit the skids when they reach 30.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MrLuvr
WHy don't you try to answer my post. Concentrate.

So, 18 year olds are mature enough to go to war and engage in killing in the battlefield but not ok to have sex with an older man? DOn't go off on your tangent and repeat your same crap ad nauseum. Are 18 year olds being recruited to Iraq? Do you support your government? Do you support your troops? Or do you think it is predatory of them to send 18 year olds to get killed?

There are a lot worse things in life than 18 year old girls enjoying and learning about healthy sex with older men.

And please tell us again why your 19 year old daughter thinks 25 year old men are "perverts" if they chase her. I would like to hear that ridiculous logic again.

Yes, I do think it's wrong to send 18 and 19 year olds to war. Recruiters going after these kids IS predatory too.

My daughter feels like older men who hit on her are trying to take advantage of her because she is young. That's why she views them as perverts. Ironically, this is a topic that she and I never even discussed until a 25 year old got one of our 15 year old neighbors pregnant with twins. That's when she let her views be known, very adamantly, I might add. A girl she works with who is 18 started dating one of the managers who is 34. My daughter is thoroughly disgusted by the guy. She thinks he's a nasty pig...her words, not mine. She has also said that guys 25 would be too old for her. If someone she feels is too old hits on her she views them as perverts...because of her views on age difference. That is her morals and values.

I don't know why you're wasting your time trying to convince me that it's okay for guys your age to go after girls my daughter's age. I'm never going to agree with you. I'm always going to find it quite disgusting and inherently wrong. Period.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MrLuvr
BTW, another reason 40 yr old men date women in their 20s is because men age MUCH better than women.

A 40 year old man can still look very good and fit if he takes care of himself. While a woman at 40 starts looking old and haggard. Why would an attractive man want to be with a haggard 40 year old woman? Heck women hit the skids when they reach 30.

Actually, women who take care of themselves look better far longer than men do because women don't lose their hair.

 

[hartwell]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Actually, women who take care of themselves look better far longer than men do because women don't lose their hair.

put the crackpipe down:crackup:

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Actually, women who take care of themselves look better far longer than men do because women don't lose their hair. [/QUOTE

Haha. How about when the make-up is no longer doing the job it used to. 40 year old woman without make up, next to a 40 year old man without make up, now who looks younger?

Women loose hair, and get thinner, "older" looking hair, lets not kid ourselves here. Even with all that make up and hair crap, I can tell the age of a woman, godforbid she went ala naturale.

It is very perverted for old women to go for young guys, but these guys have their needs too.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

How many of you guys would go out with a woman DOUBLE your age? If you're 40, this means 80-year-old women.

I for one will not go out with women who are older than me, even if she is Catherine Zeta Jones. And I understand there are also women who won't go out with old men.

Frankly, I think you guys are complaining too much about this. There's nothing wrong with hitting on younger women, but if she's not interested, then go for someone else. You don't need to spend 5 pages agonising why some underage preteen won't go out with you.

 

[MrLuvr]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
How many of you guys would go out with a woman DOUBLE your age? If you're 40, this means 80-year-old women.

I for one will not go out with women who are older than me, even if she is Catherine Zeta Jones. And I understand there are also women who won't go out with old men.

Frankly, I think you guys are complaining too much about this. There's nothing wrong with hitting on younger women, but if she's not interested, then go for someone else. You don't need to spend 5 pages agonising why some underage preteen won't go out with you.

This thread was dead until some 40 yr old woman decided to drag it up again and tell us how her 19 yr old daughter thinks that any guy over 25 hitting on her was a pervert. The SAME 40 yr old woman who herself tells us that she dates (or at least tries to date) much younger men.