Why So Many Young Men Are Single and Sexless

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Now imagine that dude felt like " nah i dont need teeth whitening. And I dont need to be ripped as F. I got a decent face that' will do".

Maybe he was a model and he did all of this afterwards, or PERHAPS the other way around: he looks maxxxed himself and this became a model.

Either way, like 70/60 % of this is style and gym work. This leads to a confident overall demeanor.

And yes , if this dude makes some sorry azz bathroom selfies and backyard pics, swipes right on every woman and doesn't pay up he will also struggle with OLD.

But yeah..i think every man should ask himself to some degree; how do I model maxxx MYSELF? A great body is a good start..

It only needed this guy to have a bad hairline and take random selfies in his bathroom instead of pro pics to join the dry spellers.

 

[Gamisch]

It only needed this guy to have a bad hairline and take random selfies in his bathroom instead of pro pics to join the dry spellers.

I tried a Google lens sarch, but ironically enough all that comes up is @pipeman84 his profile picture.

This is from the 2000's.lets say dude was 25 here. Now he around 50. I wonder what he looks like now.

 

[eli77]

I’ve had less luck in my older years than I did when I was younger. I’d kill to have the success I had back in the day lol

You and i both!

 

[sangheilios]

Can't believe that this thread is 4 pages. The reason for this is because of dating apps, social media is a variable that plays into this as well.

There have been many stats that have shown this increasing prevalence of male sexlessness started around 2008. Prior to this time period it was fairly consistent and we didn't see too many changes. The biggest variable in 2008 is the increased usage of social media, that's around the time that facebook took off. Prior to facebook there was myspace, though this social media platform wasn't at all nearly as ingrained into society.

However, we see that this trend of male sexlessness really took off in 2014/2015, which is when the dating app tinder emerge onto the scene. I believe that the dating apps are the biggest cause of the changes we see in the dating market compared to previous decades. A woman that is even unattractive and quite overweight can get dozens of matches on tinder within a week of being on there. Ask any woman you know who has a dating app profile and this will be her experience. On the flip side, it's honestly the norm for the vast majority of men to struggle to get matches, if they even get them at all. Even if you get a match, it's highly unlikely you'd even get that woman out on a real date simply because she is entertaining a dozen other guys at that given time that in reality are comparable to you.

There are some other variables that go into this as well. I think pornography often fills in the sexual needs of these men that are not getting the results they want in the dating market. I believe given enough time they develop a pattern where they just give up all together and just rely on porn for sexual gratification. It's a cycle of having poor experiences and no results for your efforts over and over and over. Then these men get frustrated and perhaps put less effort into trying to meet women, which is a normal response. Then they start using porn here and there and because their sexual needs are being met they begin to place even less importance on meeting women. Then the months and years go by and this is a behavioral pattern that they've developed that can become quite difficult to break out of.

I personally am not a big porn user but have had little to no success in the dating market, which eventually lead to me checking out all together. Dating and "the game" should be a fun and enjoyable experience, which I believe is something that a lot of men forget at times. If you aren't having fun or enjoying yourself, or worse it's actually a very negative experience, why would you continue to play in the dating market? A lot of the thoughts and emotions I'd have with some of my experiences in the dating market would be "Man, I just wasted a bunch of my time and energy on some woman who just ghosts me" or something like "I just went on a couple dates with this woman and it resulted in nothing" or "Man, that girl agreed to a date and when I arrived she flaked last minute". This is the reality for the vast majority of men today and it's totally understandable why many end up giving up. Unless you are a masochist, why would one want to continue?

Some stuff for those reading this to consider.

 

[corrector]

Can't believe that this thread is 4 pages. The reason for this is because of dating apps, social media is a variable that plays into this as well.

There have been many stats that have shown this increasing prevalence of male sexlessness started around 2008. Prior to this time period it was fairly consistent and we didn't see too many changes. The biggest variable in 2008 is the increased usage of social media, that's around the time that facebook took off. Prior to facebook there was myspace, though this social media platform wasn't at all nearly as ingrained into society.

However, we see that this trend of male sexlessness really took off in 2014/2015, which is when the dating app tinder emerge onto the scene. I believe that the dating apps are the biggest cause of the changes we see in the dating market compared to previous decades. A woman that is even unattractive and quite overweight can get dozens of matches on tinder within a week of being on there. Ask any woman you know who has a dating app profile and this will be her experience. On the flip side, it's honestly the norm for the vast majority of men to struggle to get matches, if they even get them at all. Even if you get a match, it's highly unlikely you'd even get that woman out on a real date simply because she is entertaining a dozen other guys at that given time that in reality are comparable to you.

There are some other variables that go into this as well. I think pornography often fills in the sexual needs of these men that are not getting the results they want in the dating market. I believe given enough time they develop a pattern where they just give up all together and just rely on porn for sexual gratification. It's a cycle of having poor experiences and no results for your efforts over and over and over. Then these men get frustrated and perhaps put less effort into trying to meet women, which is a normal response. Then they start using porn here and there and because their sexual needs are being met they begin to place even less importance on meeting women. Then the months and years go by and this is a behavioral pattern that they've developed that can become quite difficult to break out of.

I personally am not a big porn user but have had little to no success in the dating market, which eventually lead to me checking out all together. Dating and "the game" should be a fun and enjoyable experience, which I believe is something that a lot of men forget at times. If you aren't having fun or enjoying yourself, or worse it's actually a very negative experience, why would you continue to play in the dating market? A lot of the thoughts and emotions I'd have with some of my experiences in the dating market would be "Man, I just wasted a bunch of my time and energy on some woman who just ghosts me" or something like "I just went on a couple dates with this woman and it resulted in nothing" or "Man, that girl agreed to a date and when I arrived she flaked last minute". This is the reality for the vast majority of men today and it's totally understandable why many end up giving up. Unless you are a masochist, why would one want to continue?

Some stuff for those reading this to consider.

Yeah, or getting divorced after you are married or breaking up after you get in a relationship. Too much investment to be left with nothing. Not sure if front end or back end rejection or flakiness is worst.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Guys want pvssy to fall from the sky without putting any effort into it to fit in with their sitting around the house smoking weed and playing video games lifestyle.

 

[sangheilios]

Guys want pvssy to fall from the sky without putting any effort into it to fit in with their sitting around the house smoking weed and playing video games lifestyle.

That's not necessarily true. There was a stat that reached the mainstream media where 2/3 young men, 18-29, were single vs. 1/3 young women. Are you going to tell me that when you look at those numbers you don't see an issue right then and there? Are you going to tell me that 2/3 of these young men fall into the category of being addicted to weed and video games? You are incredibly delusional if you think this is the case.

There was a stat from a while back from some study, I think it was on OkCupid, where women rated 80% of men as "below average" lol.

The dating market has NEVER been this difficult for the majority of young men in history.

I could cite countless anecdotal stories and observations I've made over the last few years that support the idea that these numbers are representing.

 

[SW15]

Guys want pvssy to fall from the sky without putting any effort into it to fit in with their sitting around the house smoking weed and playing video games lifestyle.

That's not true in my experience. A good portion of men are putting in more effort now with endless swiping, DMing, and approaching. Because of swipe apps, a lot of men are having more low quality interactions that are time consuming. Time gets wasted on prospects who ghost before meeting, who are "one date, no sex, no second date", etc. This stuff didn't happen in the pre-internet era.

I think it was on OkCupid, where women rated 80% of men as "below average" lol.

The dating market has NEVER been this difficult for the majority of young men in history.

I could cite countless anecdotal stories and observations I've made over the last few years that support the idea that these numbers are representing.

Yes, it was OkCupid data from the early to mid 2010s. I agree that the dating market has never been this difficult for the majority of younger men today.

The reason for this is because of dating apps, social media is a variable that plays into this as well.

There have been many stats that have shown this increasing prevalence of male sexlessness started around 2008. Prior to this time period it was fairly consistent and we didn't see too many changes. The biggest variable in 2008 is the increased usage of social media, that's around the time that facebook took off. Prior to facebook there was myspace, though this social media platform wasn't at all nearly as ingrained into society.

Yes, good point.

However, we see that this trend of male sexlessness really took off in 2014/2015, which is when the dating app tinder emerge onto the scene. I believe that the dating apps are the biggest cause of the changes we see in the dating market compared to previous decades. A woman that is even unattractive and quite overweight can get dozens of matches on tinder within a week of being on there. Ask any woman you know who has a dating app profile and this will be her experience. On the flip side, it's honestly the norm for the vast majority of men to struggle to get matches, if they even get them at all. Even if you get a match, it's highly unlikely you'd even get that woman out on a real date simply because she is entertaining a dozen other guys at that given time that in reality are comparable to you.

The swipe apps took all of the negative aspects of dating websites of the 2000s and exploded them. All of the things people complain about now were happening on dating websites circa 2008-2012. Once the apps took hold, female abundance exploded to levels not even seen in the website era. In 2008-2012, it was common for women to have their inboxes have hundreds of messages in them prior to the swipe apps.

There are some other variables that go into this as well. I think pornography often fills in the sexual needs of these men that are not getting the results they want in the dating market. I believe given enough time they develop a pattern where they just give up all together and just rely on porn for sexual gratification. It's a cycle of having poor experiences and no results for your efforts over and over and over. Then these men get frustrated and perhaps put less effort into trying to meet women, which is a normal response. Then they start using porn here and there and because their sexual needs are being met they begin to place even less importance on meeting women. Then the months and years go by and this is a behavioral pattern that they've developed that can become quite difficult to break out of.

Yes, this happens. I believe many men ending up turning to porn due to feeling the effects of rejection in a difficult mating marketplace.

I personally am not a big porn user but have had little to no success in the dating market, which eventually lead to me checking out all together. Dating and "the game" should be a fun and enjoyable experience, which I believe is something that a lot of men forget at times. If you aren't having fun or enjoying yourself, or worse it's actually a very negative experience, why would you continue to play in the dating market?

A lot of the thoughts and emotions I'd have with some of my experiences in the dating market would be "Man, I just wasted a bunch of my time and energy on some woman who just ghosts me" or something like "I just went on a couple dates with this woman and it resulted in nothing" or "Man, that girl agreed to a date and when I arrived she flaked last minute". This is the reality for the vast majority of men today and it's totally understandable why many end up giving up. Unless you are a masochist, why would one want to continue?

Many men have similar feelings and experiences to what is described here. The wild thing about this is that it has happened to a 6'4" fit man who has the look of a top tier man, commonly called a 'Chad'.

 

[corrector]

I could cite countless anecdotal stories and observations I've made over the last few years that support the idea that these numbers are representing.

Why don't you spend your time working on self-improvement instead?

 

[SW15]

Why don't you spend your time working on self-improvement instead?

He's 6'4" with big muscles. What sort of self-improvement can be done?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Unless you’re living in Qatar or the UAE, gender ratios are pretty much 50/50 nowadays - the one exception is probably Crimea nowadays.

Given the ratios are even and we assume women are in fact having sex, and 1/3rd of males are incels (per stats) it means they are sharing males. That or they’re just not having sex.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

That's not necessarily true. There was a stat that reached the mainstream media where 2/3 young men, 18-29, were single vs. 1/3 young women. Are you going to tell me that when you look at those numbers you don't see an issue right then and there? Are you going to tell me that 2/3 of these young men fall into the category of being addicted to weed and video games? You are incredibly delusional if you think this is the case.

There was a stat from a while back from some study, I think it was on OkCupid, where women rated 80% of men as "below average" lol.

The dating market has NEVER been this difficult for the majority of young men in history.

I could cite countless anecdotal stories and observations I've made over the last few years that support the idea that these numbers are representing.

And here is the other reason..guys crying about how the odds are stacked against them and every other excuse they can find.

Poor mindsets leads to poor results. In every area of life not just with women.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

He's 6'4" with big muscles. What sort of self-improvement can be done?

That's not true in my experience. A good portion of men are putting in more effort now with endless swiping, DMing, and approaching. Because of swipe apps, a lot of men are having more low quality interactions that are time consuming. Time gets wasted on prospects who ghost before meeting, who are "one date, no sex, no second date", etc. This stuff didn't happen in the pre-internet era.



Yes, it was OkCupid data from the early to mid 2010s. I agree that the dating market has never been this difficult for the majority of younger men today.



Yes, good point.



The swipe apps took all of the negative aspects of dating websites of the 2000s and exploded them. All of the things people complain about now were happening on dating websites circa 2008-2012. Once the apps took hold, female abundance exploded to levels not even seen in the website era. In 2008-2012, it was common for women to have their inboxes have hundreds of messages in them prior to the swipe apps.



Yes, this happens. I believe many men ending up turning to porn due to feeling the effects of rejection in a difficult mating marketplace.



Many men have similar feelings and experiences to what is described here. The wild thing about this is that it has happened to a 6'4" fit man who has the look of a top tier man, commonly called a 'Chad'.

All I know is I have none of these issues because I don't sit around crying about how tough things are, how hard it is, blah blah blah, wah wah wah...

Get out there and get it done and make it work. Period.

Or don't. But just stop crying about it.

 

[corrector]

Given the ratios are even and we assume women are in fact having sex, and 1/3rd of males are incels (per stats) it means they are sharing males. That or they’re just not having sex.

2/3rds, not 1/3.

 

[corrector]

He's 6'4" with big muscles. What sort of self-improvement can be done?

He can try dating non-white girls just to stay in the zone. If he's not dating anyone what does he have to lose? It's either that or he has to escortcel with other white women to stay in the zone.

 

[BadBoy89]

Guys want pvssy to fall from the sky without putting any effort into it to fit in with their sitting around the house smoking weed and playing video games lifestyle.

Not true.

Guys want a normal girl who hasn't slept with the football team, will act like a wife, and not take half his money in a divorce.

Dr. Dre, worth $1,000,000,000 US. Wife wanted divorce. She gave him an aneurysm without touching him. Prenup signed.
Kevin Costner, worth $250,000,000 US dollars. Wife wants a divorce. She won't leave his home until she gets MORE money. Prenup signed.

But Sosusave members, you improve yourself, be strong, and handle these women.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Not true.

Guys want a normal girl who hasn't slept with the football team, will act like a wife, and not take half his money in a divorce.

Dr. Dre, worth $1,000,000,000 US. Wife wanted divorce. She gave him an aneurysm without touching him. Prenup signed.
Kevin Costner, worth $250,000,000 US dollars. Wife wants a divorce. She won't leave his home until she gets MORE money. Prenup signed.

But Sosusave members, you improve yourself, be strong, and handle these women.

She doesn't need to leave THEIR home. Just like men don't need to leave THEIR home when their wife wants a divorce.

It's one of the biggest mistakes men commonly make during divorces and one that costs them dearly in court.

 

[SW15]

He doesn't have big muscles. At 6'4" with 17" arms, that's not big... @BackInTheGame78 is that big?

According to this, 17" arms are big...

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[Bokanovsky]

Article:

- Relationship trends are jeopardizing intimacy skills
- Men must prioritize real-life relationships, attuned to the shift in priorities women have already made.
- Men could have increased their relationship skills to close the effort gap during the pandemic
- Men could have confronted their relative avoidance and challenged the gender norms that made them so anxious about intimacy
- Between an energy-intensive, highly competitive dating environment & the low-effort rewards of porn, men appear to be taking the path of least resistance.
- Men can choose to focus on developing the necessary relationship skills to be more successful in dating

Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless

Young men have never been more single and sexless in recorded history. Learn what's contributing to this trend and what's necessary to change it.

www.psychologytoday.com

My Thoughts:

If women were virgins before marriage, divorce was shameful, and women were not allowed to cash out, men’s relationship skills would improve instinctively.

Thoughts?

The article is basically camouflaged advertising for individual therapy (scroll to the end). And of course it’s published by Psychology Today. Their solution to everything is therapy.

It’s fvcking disgusting how many grifters are trying to make a buck by convincing men that they are somehow to blame for the sorry state of the dating market. PUA’s, dating coaches, relationship gurus, psychologists…same sh!t, different pile. “Skills deficit” my ass. What are modern women skilled at, exactly? Posting shots of your tits and ass on Instagram is not exactly a crucial life skill.

 

[sangheilios]

And here is the other reason..guys crying about how the odds are stacked against them and every other excuse they can find.

Poor mindsets leads to poor results. In every area of life not just with women.

You aren't looking at this with the correct light.

Let's take that stat of 2/3 of men being single vs. 1/3 of women being single at face value. This implies that there are many women that are actively sharing another man. This also implies that only 1/3 of women are actually available and will be actively pursued by 2/3 of men. IF these women were to develop monogamous type relationships, and not fall into the other category of sharing men, that leaves 1/3 of men completely without any prospects what so ever. Do you not understand the ramifications something like this would have on the broader dating market and society as a whole?

Here is some further insight into the women sharing men. I can personally cite an example of a man I knew that had an actual gf/relationship and also had a side piece at the same time. He had 0 interest in this woman other than sex but she aggressively pursued him, it was almost to the point where she behaved like a stalker lol. If you had surveyed this woman for that study I guarantee you that she would have considered herself as not single, in a relationship, etc. The majority of women don't fall into this category but stuff like this is far more common for young adults than I think many realize. This woman effectively took herself off of the market, which means there is one less female available for single men out there. This ties in with the tinder stuff, where a small percentage of men in a given area are having multiple sexual partners in a given time period, while also leaving a large number of men without.

Here are some of the issues with what I am discussing here. You are going to have a large number of women that were pumped and dumped, "alpha widowed" or any of these other terms you want to use. These women are often going to develop some issues with pair bonding and may struggle to develop and maintain more normal monogamous relationships, particularly marriage. A really good example to look at is that show Sex and the City, look at how those women behaved when they were well into their 30s and 40s and up......then look at what their lives looked like. All of them but one ended up childless and constantly bouncing from one failed relationship to the next. There is a reason why this show was so popular, and that's because MANY women could relate to one or more of the main characters. Each of the 4 main female characters in that show represented various sub categories that women can fall into.

1. Carrie, the main character, was basically the hopeless romantic that chased after an unavailable man and repetitively sabotaged potential relationships with men that were actually interested in her.

2. Samantha, the ***** that slept with just about any man and was proud of who and what she was and wasn't afraid of the world knowing.

3. Miranda, the career focused "boss *****" that often found herself in relationships with weak and "beta" men.

4. Charlotte, the good conservative girl that actually ended up getting married. The show portrayed her as sexually frustrated, as her husband had sexual performance issues. I find the portrayal of her interesting because it is programming women to NOT want to be like Charlotte.

Something else to consider is that when so few women are available on the dating market it results in "hoeflation". I made a thread about this a few weeks ago, but the idea is that if only 1/3 of women are available for 2/3 of men that are single that creates a huge problem. The women are in a predicament, if we can even call it that, where they have far more options available to them, so the response is to become INCREASINGLY more selective and picky compared to a more normal and balanced dating market. This in turn results in their expectations being much higher and more and more men struggling and becoming frustrated in the dating market. The next thing that happens is the men become INCREASINGLY desperate or perhaps just check out all together. You can't go around telling these men they need to work on self improvement because it's going to take a lot of work, in fact it may not even be possible to ever stand out. If a man has to be 6'+, very athletic, a top 5% earner and living some baller lifestyle how many do you think can match these criteria? The thing is, men need to be on their game for women that quite honestly don't have all that much going for them.

You are also finding that there are many relatively young women that are already single mothers. This again means that there are fewer single and now childless women available. Most men truly do not want to date a single mother, it goes against many biological programming principles, but will do so simply because they have no other choice.

To sum up what I'm saying, there are some very serious issues with the dating market as I'm typing this. No male in history has ever experienced a dating market like this and there are going to be some very serious consequences of what we are seeing now in the decades to come.