Why So Many Young Men Are Single and Sexless

[tksniper]

It’s because 95% of guys don’t have main character energy. You don’t have to be the best looking to be the main character. You just have to have the strongest frame and a dominant presence.

Of course, society systematically breaks down your frame, but that’s another discussion for another day.

Even when you observe movies back in the days, it seemed like any male could be a main character. Like even the supporting males were strong and dominant acting. But nowadays you have one dominant presence and everyone else is an NPC running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Men are single and sexless because women play way too many games these days. They’ve ruined online dating, they’ve ruined cold approaching, they’ve ruined the fun dating use to be.

Men too kinda. Before covid I went on a date with an HB9 from OLD. She told me in a week how like she had 150 messages and a lot of old and also pervy guys too sending her stuff. She said it was overwhelming. Had an HB7.5 from OLD tell me the same thing about being bombarded from guys, but way old me too who she had no interest in. A lot of them after a couple weeks end up leaving OLD and the only ones you see left or HB5 and below women long term on there. Those old perverts ruined OLD too along with all the paywalls now and such combined.

They also ruined it the last 15 or so years in the workplace with the sexual harassment BS. If HR sees you hitting on a lady you're out!

 

[Fruitbat]

Something is off. I’m telling you, I constantly either get dumped after the second date (usually slow faded more than outright dumped so I never know the real reason) or I can’t make it past a month. And I’m a guy that always had a steady gf in my high school, college, and beyond days. I’m in better shape now than when I was younger and played football, not as big but I’m more defined.

It might be because your main frame was your physique when young and at 40 you ain’t gonna look that good and provided you don’t have a giant gut, physique matters less as you age.

Ive never had an athletes physique but I was in good Nick when younger. I had more ONS in 20s but I was a DJ which helped greatly at times.

I spent the last 20 years crushing it in work, not the gym and dating in 30s, being able to show a job with a level of power and some money behind you (although not rich by any means) was more powerful, way more powerful, than my physique was when younger. I think when you’re early 20s guys who are ripped have women at their feet. As you age it isn’t everything.

I may have this wrong and you might be doing seriously well in your career - I say this as you’ve immediately started talking about your physique in connection to dating success. It’s not just about career either, it’s about your generall communication skills, and how you live your life. In 30s and 40s, just being consistent in gym and diet doesn’t cut it.
women in 30s are thinking differently, most
Of them have been banged multiple times by chads and want a man to create a good life. We all get less interested in sex for sex sake as we age.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Heh you’re a tard. Old and young is only valid if you’re undesirable to begin with. “Old perverts” you’re 40 dude just a decade younger than me. At 50 I MOG the frak out you whipper snappers.

Chicks tell you about other men just to hype up their value to you. You should’ve learned all of this in your thirties.

Men too kinda. Before covid I went on a date with an HB9 from OLD. She told me in a week how like she had 150 messages and a lot of old and also pervy guys too sending her stuff. She said it was overwhelming. Had an HB7.5 from OLD tell me the same thing about being bombarded from guys, but way old me too who she had no interest in. A lot of them after a couple weeks end up leaving OLD and the only ones you see left or HB5 and below women long term on there. Those old perverts ruined OLD too along with all the paywalls now and such combined.

They also ruined it the last 15 or so years in the workplace with the sexual harassment BS. If HR sees you hitting on a lady you're out!

 

[pipeman84]

When you get to your late 30s you no longere care about virgings before marriage or even their ho past..a simple decent looking woman that gains her own money and leaves you enough space would probably be enough given that you enter relationships already with a stop loss in position.

I'm talking about relationships of course since marriage is an outdated procedure for all most men care.

And that mindset right there is a recipe for misery, drama and trouble.
Why would a late 30s guy willingly take on the baggage of woman with a hoe past?
That's like willingly walking around carrying a 20 pounds backpack, all day long ... what for? At that age you're supposed to know better, you're way past the gaining experience and young&dumb phases.

 

[SW15]

Before covid I went on a date with an HB9 from OLD. She told me in a week how like she had 150 messages and a lot of old and also pervy guys too sending her stuff. She said it was overwhelming. Had an HB7.5 from OLD tell me the same thing about being bombarded from guys, but way old me too who she had no interest in. A lot of them after a couple weeks end up leaving OLD and the only ones you see left or HB5 and below women long term on there. Those old perverts ruined OLD too along with all the paywalls now and such combined.

With the woman with 150 messages, if it was a swipe app, she had right swiped on those guys. It likely wasn't a website/app like Match where anyone could send messages.

A lot of women do find the swipe apps overwhelming because they have hundreds of men in their swipe queues and a lot of messages.

Swipe apps are ok for getting low quality dates with women in the 5.5 - 7 range. A lot of low quality dates are "one date, no sex, no second date" @Robert28 has managed to get 2 dates, no sex, no third date somewhat regularly.

The best thing to do is to find dates through real world activity, such as approaching strangers or even weak social circle stuff like co-ed sports leagues.

They also ruined it the last 15 or so years in the workplace with the sexual harassment BS. If HR sees you hitting on a lady you're out!

Look at the chart below. Look at the line "Met Through or As Co-Workers". That line peaked in the 1980s/early 1990s as women got fully incorporated into the workforce, mainly in white collar jobs. Since the mid to late 1990s, that line dropped off big time. It's been way longer than 15 years that sexual harassment BS started. I would say that sexual harassment BS has its origins more so in the 1990s.

HR reps are often women with feminist attitudes too.

I would also say that most of "Met Through or As Co-Workers" was mostly "Met As Co-Workers". "Met Through Co-Workers" would mean that a co-worker introduced 2 people. That can still happen today from workforce interactions without sexual harassment allegations. However, I would think even that is declining as social circles in general weaken (see declines in "Met Through Friends") and also male concern about getting reported to HR for any type of female interaction. Many male white collar workers are fearful that any discussion of their personal life will end up in an HR investigation. There is an element of the fear of HR/fear of #MeToo throughout the white collar workplace today. Also now, more of white collar work is being done remotely. People are in offices 2-3 days a week in a lot of cases instead of 5 now, so there are fewer in-person interactions. It is difficult to talk to female co-workers about any non-work elements of life.

When you get to your late 30s you no longere care about virgings before marriage or even their ho past..a simple decent looking woman that gains her own money and leaves you enough space would probably be enough given that you enter relationships already with a stop loss in position.

I'm talking about relationships of course since marriage is an outdated procedure for all most men care.

And that mindset right there is a recipe for misery, drama and trouble.
Why would a late 30s guy willingly take on the baggage of woman with a hoe past?
That's like willingly walking around carrying a 20 pounds backpack, all day long ... what for? At that age you're supposed to know better, you're way past the gaining experience and young&dumb phases.

Plenty of men will have relationships with women in their 30s/40s with pasts and even single moms. The typical 30s/40s man isn't found on SoSuave forums. The typical 30s/40s man is a thirsty guy who will settle for pretty much anything he can get. In most cases, that 30s/40s guy is getting a woman close to his own age with some combination of many failed relationships, a high notch count, and children from past relationships.

 

[I_have_BDE]

With the woman with 150 messages, if it was a swipe app, she had right swiped on those guys. It likely wasn't a website/app like Match where anyone could send messages.

A lot of women do find the swipe apps overwhelming because they have hundreds of men in their swipe queues and a lot of messages.

Swipe apps are ok for getting low quality dates with women in the 5.5 - 7 range. A lot of low quality dates are "one date, no sex, no second date" @Robert28 has managed to get 2 dates, no sex, no third date somewhat regularly.

The best thing to do is to find dates through real world activity, such as approaching strangers or even weak social circle stuff like co-ed sports leagues.



Look at the chart below. Look at the line "Met Through or As Co-Workers". That line peaked in the 1980s/early 1990s as women got fully incorporated into the workforce, mainly in white collar jobs. Since the mid to late 1990s, that line dropped off big time. It's been way longer than 15 years that sexual harassment BS started. I would say that sexual harassment BS has its origins more so in the 1990s.

HR reps are often women with feminist attitudes too.

I would also say that most of "Met Through or As Co-Workers" was mostly "Met As Co-Workers". "Met Through Co-Workers" would mean that a co-worker introduced 2 people. That can still happen today from workforce interactions without sexual harassment allegations. However, I would think even that is declining as social circles in general weaken (see declines in "Met Through Friends") and also male concern about getting reported to HR for any type of female interaction. Many male white collar workers are fearful that any discussion of their personal life will end up in an HR investigation. There is an element of the fear of HR/fear of #MeToo throughout the white collar workplace today. Also now, more of white collar work is being done remotely. People are in offices 2-3 days a week in a lot of cases instead of 5 now, so there are fewer in-person interactions. It is difficult to talk to female co-workers about any non-work elements of life.


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Plenty of men will have relationships with women in their 30s/40s with pasts and even single moms. The typical 30s/40s man isn't found on SoSuave forums. The typical 30s/40s man is a thirsty guy who will settle for pretty much anything he can get. In most cases, that 30s/40s guy is getting a woman close to his own age with some combination of many failed relationships, a high notch count, and children from past relationships.

Actually this website was match where she had 150 messages!! This of course was when it had a number of decent hot women on it! Now that would probably be 250 messages a week!

So back in 2021 i made a fake account. Used an hb6 photo from another dating app. On the profile i left the bio blank. Used just one photo, and made it look clear as day it was a fake profile. Despite that i still had close to 50 messages in a week, and probably 90 likes! Again clearly was a fake profile I made and guys of all ages still simping. So just imagine a hotter girl with a legit profile.

 

[corrector]

The typical 30s/40s man is a thirsty guy who will settle for pretty much anything he can get. In most cases, that 30s/40s guy is getting a woman close to his own age with some combination of many failed relationships, a high notch count, and children from past relationships.

Speak for yourself.

 

[SW15]

Actually this website was match where she had 150 messages!! This of course was when it had a number of decent hot women on it! Now that would probably be 250 messages a week!

So back in 2021 i made a fake account. Used an hb6 photo from another dating app. On the profile i left the bio blank. Used just one photo, and made it look clear as day it was a fake profile. Despite that i still had close to 50 messages in a week, and probably 90 likes! Again clearly was a fake profile I made and guys of all ages still simping. So just imagine a hotter girl with a legit profile.

Match is also an outdated website/app too. It has lost market share to Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge. Tinder, Hinge, and Match are all owned by the same company.

There are way bigger audiences on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge. Women's swipe queues on those apps are insane. Most women have hundreds of men that have swiped right on them and they haven't taken an action on them. So let's say a woman has 300 men in her swipe queue. She could swipe right on 20 of them. So she'd have 20 mutual matches. About 15 of those men would message her. She can't go on a first date with all 15.

In a sample of 300, there are so many good options. Her only swiping right on 20 of the 300 is showing how she's chasing only top tier men. That's typical female behavior on the big swipe apps.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

And that mindset right there is a recipe for misery, drama and trouble.
Why would a late 30s guy willingly take on the baggage of woman with a hoe past?
That's like willingly walking around carrying a 20 pounds backpack, all day long ... what for? At that age you're supposed to know better, you're way past the gaining experience and young&dumb phases.

I dont disagree with you, I believe the same but I dont believe its a matter of "not knowing best".

Those men probably need to check a box they dont really would like to have to check only to remove a problem and going on with their life.

It's kinda like when a lesbian and a gay man arrange a fake relationship to be more in tune with the outside world but much less evident.

The guy is like "ok I'm fine sharing my income with this woman that I dont particularly care about as long as I have somehow some warm meal at home and live my life without much attention about my status while engaging in social activities".

Plenty of men will have relationships with women in their 30s/40s with pasts and even single moms. The typical 30s/40s man isn't found on SoSuave forums. The typical 30s/40s man is a thirsty guy who will settle for pretty much anything he can get. In most cases, that 30s/40s guy is getting a woman close to his own age with some combination of many failed relationships, a high notch count, and children from past relationships.

Yes we agree on the result but guess we disagree on the reason.

Those 30s/40s yrs old men just settle for some sub optimal woman just like they settled in their 20s for a sub optimal car simply cause a crappy car was better than getting the bus every morning or not being allowed to hit the club at late night.

That woman is like many others and they dont particularly care about her, they just appreciate the social perks that come from it.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Match is also an outdated website/app too. It has lost market share to Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge. Tinder, Hinge, and Match are all owned by the same company.

There are way bigger audiences on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge. Women's swipe queues on those apps are insane. Most women have hundreds of men that have swiped right on them and they haven't taken an action on them. So let's say a woman has 300 men in her swipe queue. She could swipe right on 20 of them. So she'd have 20 mutual matches. About 15 of those men would message her. She can't go on a first date with all 15.

In a sample of 300, there are so many good options. Her only swiping right on 20 of the 300 is showing how she's chasing only top tier men. That's typical female behavior on the big swipe apps.

Hinge is area dependant. Around me a lot of single moms, women of color, hot women an hour away or more. Bumble better.

Hottest women is the Upward app. Upward up however recently purchased by match. Used to be unlimited swipes but now you gotta pay to get more than a handful of swipes per day.

Was an app perfectly useable until match bought it and made it more paywall to make it usesble. They did same thing to tinder.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Hinge is area dependant. Around me a lot of single moms, women of color, hot women an hour away or more. Bumble better.

Hottest women is the Upward app. Upward up however recently purchased by match. Used to be unlimited swipes but now you gotta pay to get more than a handful of swipes per day.

Was an app perfectly useable until match bought it and made it more paywall to make it usesble. They did same thing to tinder.

Somebody should keep doing free effective apps, steal their market share and then sell it to match only to restart the process right after.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Somebody should keep doing free effective apps, steal their market share and then sell it to match only to restart the process right after.

I wonder how much match buys these for

 

[SW15]

Those 30s/40s yrs old men just settle for some sub optimal woman just like they settled in their 20s for a sub optimal car simply cause a crappy car was better than getting the bus every morning or not being allowed to hit the club at late night.

That woman is like many others and they dont particularly care about her, they just appreciate the social perks that come from it.

Yes, a 30s/40s man typically operates from a scarcity mentality. They do think that having some sort of girlfriend is better than nothing at all. So they'll settle for whatever they can get, both for sexual perks and social perks. The typical 30s/40s guy has friends who are typically in LTRs (mostly married men) so he wants to feel social inclusion by having a girlfriend vs. being unattached.

Hinge is area dependant. Around me a lot of single moms, women of color, hot women an hour away or more. Bumble better.

The last time I was on Hinge in my area, it was terrible. It was all single moms and/or overweight African-American women. Not my types at all.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Wow. 3 pages.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but one of the reasons a lot of men are single and sexless is because a lot of girls are sharing men. Some of those girls may be unaware they are sharing but some arent. Some girls would rather share a Chad/Tyrone than be in an exclusive commited relatioship with an AFC.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Yes, a 30s/40s man typically operates from a scarcity mentality. They do think that having some sort of girlfriend is better than nothing at all. So they'll settle for whatever they can get, both for sexual perks and social perks. The typical 30s/40s guy has friends who are typically in LTRs (mostly married men) so he wants to feel social inclusion by having a girlfriend vs. being unattached.



The last time I was on Hinge in my area, it was terrible. It was all single moms and/or overweight African-American women. Not my types at all.

Yeah true, single men are often in a situation where they are cut out of social life or even promotions at work which are often given to married men cause they appear more stable or are liked from thei wifes of the the bosses.

Wow. 3 pages.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but one of the reasons a lot of men are single and sexless is because a lot of girls are sharing men. Some of those girls may be unaware they are sharing but some arent. Some girls would rather share a Chad/Tyrone than be in an exclusive commited relatioship with an AFC.

Some of them even think that they need "work harder" to secure commitment from a guy above their league so waste precious time while leaving on read men within their reach for a relationship.

 

[SW15]

Some girls would rather share a Chad/Tyrone than be in an exclusive commited relatioship with an AFC.

This is said all the time. Rollo Tomassi has said it.

single men are often in a situation where they are cut out of social life or even promotions at work which are often given to married men cause they appear more stable or are liked from thei wifes of the the bosses.

This is true as well. I think men feel this more in their personal social lives than their working lives.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Most women are over weight, tatted and miserable.

Men may not know it but in the back of their mind subconsciously theirs no desire to chase. Its how the world has worked since the beginning of time and now with AI on the horizon its only going to get worse.

Regardless of the notion that its some small portion of men F'n all the women thats just not true and rationally dosent even make sense.

If anything what makes more sense in reality is theirs a small percentage of good looking women that are left that all the men are after.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Most women are over weight, tatted and miserable.

Men may not know it but in the back of their mind subconsciously theirs no desire to chase. Its how the world has worked since the beginning of time and now with AI on the horizon its only going to get worse.

Regardless of the notion that its some small portion of men F'n all the women thats just not true and rationally dosent even make sense.

If anything what makes more sense in reality is theirs a small percentage of good looking women that are left that all the men are after.

That is true. Id say 40 and under there is maybe 15 percent at the very max who are good enough to chase. The rest are trashy tats, fat, bad teeth, etc. With more undesirable women you have men all competing for a very small percentage of women. Simply numbers here.

 

[I_have_BDE]

If you looked like THIS would you need to be on SS forums asking for advice on how to pick up women?