Why Have So Many Well Known Pickup Artists Had Major Personal Issues?

[Clockwerk50]

Simple Pickup IMO is so underrated and showed how easy the game can be with confidence and just the willingness to put in work. None of this weird pua science crap or keyboard jockeying. This era doesn't have a "Simple Pickup" If someone were to start it now it would go viral however in this climate it's super hard to do and most likely would get canceled. The only guy I can see come close to Simple Pickup in 2024 is this guy

Yes the guy is extremely good looking but pay attention to his nuance, his vibe, his tonality, body language, his wit etc. We can't all be Chad's and Tyrone but we certainly can be our own best versions of that

IMO the game died when Julian got canceled, PUA's literally disappeared from youtube overnight, once Roosh left it was the end of the PUA. Now guys aren't learning game but how to be a high-value criminal man from Andrew Tate and these Redpill dorks. A lot of men in these reddits and youtube comments just whining and complaining for the most part(in most cases it's warranted). But ask if they put in the work and you will get some deflection etc. What bothers me the most is that in the last 10-12 years it feels like men have given up. I come from a generation where we were taught to be successful you have to put in the work, I know times are tougher than ever, I know dating sucks(always have), I know a lot Western women aren't as feminine as they use to be. But a lot of men have become just as entitled as the women they complain about yet don't wanna put in the work. If you want something in life you gotta grind for it. That includes women, and some guys resent that and feel they should get a woman just for being a "Good guy" Times have change adapt or be lonely!

Sad times we live in

Not trying to go off-topic here, but I’m not sure what the complaint is about women not being feminine enough. The women in those videos appear quite feminine to me—wearing makeup, accessories, jewelry, and looking sexy. They seem open to embracing traditional roles, like making a sandwich and tidying up the bedroom, for the right guy.

Perhaps people are actually complaining about women's fickle nature, which, in reality, is a trait often associated with femininity.

 

[Solomon]

Not trying to go off-topic here, but I’m not sure what the complaint is about women not being feminine enough. The women in those videos appear quite feminine to me—wearing makeup, accessories, jewelry, and looking sexy. They seem open to embracing traditional roles, like making a sandwich and tidying up the bedroom, for the right guy.

Perhaps people are actually complaining about women's fickle nature, which, in reality, is a trait often associated with femininity.

I'm talking in general, IMO women now are not feminine compared to 15 years ago
But then again I live in one of the top liberal progressive feminist cities in the world
The lack of feminity here is truly distburting

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I made a post not too long ago (you saw it )where I mentioned I would approach 10-50 women a night on a Saturday/sunday and guys thought I was lying. 12 years ago if a guy mentioned he approached 10 women a night, no one would have questioned him, it was actually normal. Heck I remember the RSD forum if you weren't approaching 500-1000 women a year then you were considered lazy!!! A lot of men if you were to tell them that they would need to do this for a year or two would all you insane but it shows you the difference and dedication men had just as recently as 12 years ago!

The main problem I have is talking about quantity and not quality. Anybody can 'approach' 50 women a night, but what is the quality of the approach. I'm more interested in the ratio of success. How many approaches are successful?

 

[SW15]

I made a post not too long ago (you saw it )where I mentioned I would approach 10-50 women a night on a Saturday/sunday and guys thought I was lying. 12 years ago if a guy mentioned he approached 10 women a night, no one would have questioned him, it was actually normal. Heck I remember the RSD forum if you weren't approaching 500-1000 women a year then you were considered lazy!!!

A 10-20 approach night at 1-2 bars on a peak night seems realistic. It would be a high level of activity, but realistic.

In a daygame session, 10-20 approaches in around 2 hours could be possible. Depending on the venue and foot traffic of the venue. It could happen at the mall or an outdoor walking path/park. It might also happen on the street in a place like London or New York.

Men are "approaching" high numbers of women now. Men in bigger cities virtually approach thousands of women on swipe apps and through social media DMs.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I'm talking in general, IMO women now are not feminine compared to 15 years ago
But then again I live in one of the top liberal progressive feminist cities in the world
The lack of feminity here is truly distburting

I haven't encountered many women who fit that stereotype. When people talk about a lack of feminism, I often think of individuals who don’t conform to traditional beauty standards, like those with purple hair, goths, cat ladies, or alternative styles. Even the ambitious women in MLMs can make a sandwich to their name if they choose to.

 

[Solomon]

I haven't encountered many women who fit that stereotype. When people talk about a lack of feminism, I often think of individuals who don’t conform to traditional beauty standards, like those with purple hair, goths, cat ladies, or alternative styles. Even the ambitious women in MLMs can make a sandwich to their name if they choose to.

I'll put it to you like this back in 2010 I went out with a hot bond on a date who had no clue WTF feminism was when we were talking about something.

Now not only ugly chicks claim feminism but hot women also
Even if a girl is pretty and such, the feminist attitude is sprinkled in @SW15 likes to call them bougie or boss babes which is true a lot of them love to tout feminism when it suits them but then utilize traditionalism when it suites them i.e. they want you to pay for the date, open door, pay all the bills but they want you to treat them as an equal, THEY DO'T WANT TO COOK OR CLEAN, THEY WANT YOU AS A MAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT lmfaooo

I remember growing up as a kid, and seeing how my mother would interact with her women friends or sisters. My mother is the old-school definition of a "Lady" but she wasn't a pushover either. I'm not saying I'm looking for my mother but I'm simply stating finding a woman with "Lady" character in regards to her behavior is becoming very rare. To the point now that you have women teaching other women how to be "feminine" or "Soft"

I find women who tend to be the most nurturing, feminine and soft are women who are nurses, child educators, cosmetics or something in the beauty field social workers (not all). Obviously not all women but IMO they tend to be the most femine

least feminine Jobs: Boss babes, corporate America, women who work in warehouses(I'll never date an Amazon Team lead again) women in any position where they feel they have to compete with men to demand their respect or be looked at as an equal

 

[RSDCharlie]

It's the need that hollows you out. Not sex. Addiction is rarely in the substance, but in the need.

Oh trust me, the need was fulfilled thoroughly. Still couldn't stop it from becoming an addiction though. Of course its no longer that much of an issue, but it still lingers in the back of my mind. Alot of PUA's cant handle that.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I'll put it to you like this back in 2010 I went out with a hot bond on a date who had no clue WTF feminism was when we were talking about something.

Now not only ugly chicks claim feminism but hot women also
Even if a girl is pretty and such, the feminist attitude is sprinkled in @SW15 likes to call them bougie or boss babes which is true a lot of them love to tout feminism when it suits them but then utilize traditionalism when it suites them i.e. they want you to pay for the date, open door, pay all the bills but they want you to treat them as an equal, THEY DO'T WANT TO COOK OR CLEAN, THEY WANT YOU AS A MAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT lmfaooo

I remember growing up as a kid, and seeing how my mother would interact with her women friends or sisters. My mother is the old-school definition of a "Lady" but she wasn't a pushover either. I'm not saying I'm looking for my mother but I'm simply stating finding a woman with "Lady" character in regards to her behavior is becoming very rare. To the point now that you have women teaching other women how to be "feminine" or "Soft"

I find women who tend to be the most nurturing, feminine and soft are women who are nurses, child educators, cosmetics or something in the beauty field social workers (not all). Obviously not all women but IMO they tend to be the most femine

least feminine Jobs: Boss babes, corporate America, women who work in warehouses(I'll never date an Amazon Team lead again) women in any position where they feel they have to compete with men to demand their respect or be looked at as an equal

Thanks man. I will keep an eye on that.

I guess there are grades of softness. I'd have to disagree with child educators but that is a conversation for another day lol