Why appearance is irrelevant and game is easy

[L777]

Well I've been gone a while and I've been thinking a lot and experimenting a lot and observing a HELL of a lot, and I have come to certain realisations.

When it comes to a man's physical attractiveness to a woman, its only a "yes" or "no". And in the VAST majority of cases its a 'yes'...even if she seems cold or unethusiastic at first. If she is attracted to you AT ALL, you CAN have sex with her. You guys telling us how fantastic looking you are, (Poonani maker, starter of the "just be nice" thread etc) are missing a much bigger picture. Yes you may get certain special treatments and attention and smiles and giggles from women...but how many have you had sex with? I bet not a great deal. Is that Italian guy whos has banged 8000 odd women that good looking? No.

When you are good looking (and I put myself in this category), yes its a nice little ego jolt when you get something based on your looks, or some attention from a girl....but women want to be swept off their feet, seduced, taken, etc...they want you to approach them and do the work. Good cosmetics (looks) is just another form of social proof....it has very little to do with sexual attractiveness, which is a whole concoction of things.

Skinny? Fat? Short? Funny looking? Sh.it, just do the best with what you've got...you're a MAN and she's a WOMAN and thats the attraction....not the size of your damn muscles or the ratio of your facial features.

Instead of approaching, just for 1 night, go to a bar and LOOK who gets glances and IOI's from the women, then look who gets laid...honestly, you'll start to see what I'm saying is true.

I've been into seduction for about 5 yrs now and it really is becoming clear. If you still have any thought of routines, insecurities over appearance, any reason not to approach then you aren't even close to "getting it".
And I predict some ppl saying, "He's a KJ oversimplifying things...of course great appearance and good game is neccessary"....but this is untrue. Approaching girls with the single-minded intention to sleep with them makes you incredibly attractive. No stupid, insincere opinion openers, no cube, entertaining them, no getting to know them as a person (this can come later), you approach with 100% conviction that you will sleep with her, and if she tells you to f.uck off (incredibly unlikely) then just leave. Only get a number if you absolutely can't have sex with her or at least an "insta-date" right there.

Persistance....unless she tells you straight "f.uck off" then persist....she WANTS you to. Women lie constantly. You are 5'6" and she tells you she only dates basketball players. Bull-effin-s.hit....this a test/game and you pass it by not even contemplating playing it.

Actually I've just realised that Gunwitch method is basically what I've told you, but with a lot of real-life experience now, which I will write about and give examples of later. But for now, please take this thought - as a man you are attractive to women regardless of the package you come in (your appearance). Believe this 100% from the depth of your soul 100% of the time...and I mean really believe it and allow this belief to dictate your thoughts, words and actions...and then go into the field and see how women respond to you. It really is a hugely powerful realisation.

 

[WC2]

I laugh at the dudes who spend more time in the mirror than they spend talking to women on a daily basis.

It's because of TV and media that guys believe that the best looking guys always go home with the best looking women at the end of the night, but this is really a blatant lie.

The guys who go home with women are the same ones who move naturally and approach women head on, with no regrets. You want me to do things to you that you've never had done to you before? Good, you're coming back with me."

The men who have this mentality and know they can pull, DO PULL. It's very much like matrix, in which you are what you believe you to be.

I've seen some very hideous dudes pull poon night in and night out. Why? Because they know the truth; all women want it. They want to be ravaged. They may not make it publicly known, however once you've broken that barrier, they will tell you exactly what they want.

I'll never forget this chick one of my friends had been scheming on for awhile. Nursing major, straight A student in school, smoking. He'd get pretty every weekend to try and impress her with his armani clothes, his hair gel, his cologne, etc. He built her up to be some goddess who wouldn't give it up to anyone.

Of course it was a crock of sh!t. I talked her up for a bit, dropped some really ruthless lines and brought her back. She was one of the biggest closet freaks I'd met in my entire life. To this day, my poor friend doesn't believe that we got down in every room of her apartment the whole night.

It's mentality like this (my friend) that kills attraction. Women want it from men who want to give it, know how to give it, and know they want it.

End of story.

Good post.

 

[trv26]

He'd get pretty every weekend to try and impress her with his armani clothes, his hair gel, his cologne, etc.

Perhaps he's not naturally that good looking. There's only so much clothes etc. can do for you. What have Armani clothes got to do with good looks anyway. All it shows is he's got a bit of money to throw around.

So tell me then. Between you two who is generally considered the better looking?

 

[Aragon034]

Perhaps he's not naturally that good looking. There's only so much clothes etc. can do for you. What have Armani clothes got to do with good looks anyway. All it shows is he's got a bit of money to throw around.

So tell me then. Between you two who is generally considered the better looking?

I have to interject. I think you're kind of missing the point of his story.

Regardless of who's better looking, the mentality of "impressing women into bed" clearly fails. This goes for both dress sense and physical attractiveness.

we've all seen the dudes who try and "buy" their way into a woman's pants stopping at actually paying her for sex. We've also seen these same women get in bed with what most guys would consider to be "inferior" men in whatever sense they want (looks, financial status, reputation, whatever)

I'm not going to argue that looks don't matter. But they don't matter so much that it's going to make a huge difference to those that don't have it as long as they keep their inner game tight and focused. In fact, i'd say it would only make a difference to a ONS or FB type of relationship. in a LT type of relationship, i'd say it matters very little.

 

[Daniel1099]

BIGGEST BULLSH1T POST EVER

wow...

i cant beileve you ugly ass dudes actually believe this sh1t.

women will not want to go to bed with some ogre looking dude.

if you and like 3 guys walk into a party, and you are the bestdressed one, wearing "armani" and cologne, and a good face, they will be ALL over you.

you can say "hey" and that will get their juices flowing...

second off..

Ugly guys usually dont have as much confidence to talk to girls,

if your dressed well, look good, smell good. you present alpha male charachteristics without even saying a word....ofcourse you still need to know how to talk to women, but it should come naturally to you if you present yourself with confidence and a sense of style

if your wearing some old ass white shows, cheap jeans, and a gray-t.......your not gonna pull as much, your probably not going to pull at all.

www.gq.com


this is ridiculous

 

[L777]

BIGGEST BULLSH1T POST EVER

wow...

i cant beileve you ugly ass dudes actually believe this sh1t.

women will not want to go to bed with some ogre looking dude.

if you and like 3 guys walk into a party, and you are the bestdressed one, wearing "armani" and cologne, and a good face, they will be ALL over you.

you can say "hey" and that will get their juices flowing...

second off..

Ugly guys usually dont have as much confidence to talk to girls,

if your dressed well, look good, smell good. you present alpha male charachteristics without even saying a word....ofcourse you still need to know how to talk to women, but it should come naturally to you if you present yourself with confidence and a sense of style

if your wearing some old ass white shows, cheap jeans, and a gray-t.......your not gonna pull as much, your probably not going to pull at all.

www.gq.com


this is ridiculous

Well, this probably is true, for you....its a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, an "ogre-ass dude" or whatever you said will fin it hard....but how many of them do you know, honestly? And how many of them couldn't make themselves at least somewhat attractive with a bit of effort?

The fact is most guys are average (thats what the word means) and this is enough.

Seriously man, the fact that you think that stupid, superficial s.hit like clothes and shoes actually make a jot of difference just shows you don't get what I'm on about. Yes, if you try to pull by conventional, regular society rules and methods then this may give you an advantage....but it will also get you a phone number and a female friend most of the time.

 

[DonJuan11]

Well I've been gone a while and I've been thinking a lot and experimenting a lot and observing a HELL of a lot, and I have come to certain realisations.

When it comes to a man's physical attractiveness to a woman, its only a "yes" or "no". And in the VAST majority of cases its a 'yes'...even if she seems cold or unethusiastic at first. If she is attracted to you AT ALL, you CAN have sex with her. You guys telling us how fantastic looking you are, (Poonani maker, starter of the "just be nice" thread etc) are missing a much bigger picture. Yes you may get certain special treatments and attention and smiles and giggles from women...but how many have you had sex with? I bet not a great deal. Is that Italian guy whos has banged 8000 odd women that good looking? No.

I don't understand the point of the above paragraph.

When you are good looking (and I put myself in this category), yes its a nice little ego jolt when you get something based on your looks, or some attention from a girl....but women want to be swept off their feet, seduced, taken, etc...they want you to approach them and do the work. Good cosmetics (looks) is just another form of social proof....it has very little to do with sexual attractiveness, which is a whole concoction of things.

Again I don't understand. It's understandable good looks can get you some women, but if you can't speak correctly they won't give you the sex you are looking for. This is common sense. Good looks can get you more job interviews, but if you can't speak correctly you won't get the job you are looking for. Good looks can you get out of a parking ticket, but if you can't speak correctly you will pay the fine you weren't looking for. Good looks can be applied to any situation and circumstance in life, not just sex. The point is obvious and general.

Skinny? Fat? Short? Funny looking? Sh.it, just do the best with what you've got...you're a MAN and she's a WOMAN and thats the attraction....not the size of your damn muscles or the ratio of your facial features.

Not true. You have to take care of yourself. You have to eat correctly, exercise, have a job, a place to live, speak correctly, and look decent. No respectable and decent looking girl is going to sleep with a slob just because you are a MAN and she's a WOMAN.

Approaching girls with the single-minded intention to sleep with them makes you incredibly attractive. No stupid, insincere opinion openers, no cube, entertaining them, no getting to know them as a person (this can come later), you approach with 100% conviction that you will sleep with her, and if she tells you to f.uck off (incredibly unlikely) then just leave. Only get a number if you absolutely can't have sex with her or at least an "insta-date" right there.

Not sure if I agree. No girl would like that approach. What girl wants to be treated like a prostitute? "I just want to sleep with you, then you can go to hell and see if I care." No guy would even sleep with a girl who said that to him.

But for now, please take this thought - as a man you are attractive to women regardless of the package you come in (your appearance). Believe this 100% from the depth of your soul 100% of the time...and I mean really believe it and allow this belief to dictate your thoughts, words and actions...and then go into the field and see how women respond to you. It really is a hugely powerful realisation.

You make it sound as if all you have to do is be a man and you should get laid all the time and often. It doesn't work that way. Woman like to feel special, feel wanted, feel important, not like a prostitute. The people here have trouble because they over compensate when they like a girl and they get confused between being "too nice" and being "a jerk".

You have to let a woman know you like her, but you can't say "Sleep with me or go to hell Bvtch". Even the most horniest male virgin in the world would think twice about losing his V card to a girl who said that to him if the tables were reversed.

 

[L777]

You make it sound as if all you have to do is be a man and you should get laid all the time and often. It doesn't work that way. Woman like to feel special, feel wanted, feel important, not like a prostitute. The people here have trouble because they over compensate when they like a girl and they get confused between being "too nice" and being "a jerk".

You have to let a woman know you like her, but you can't say "Sleep with me or go to hell Bvtch". Even the most horniest male virgin in the world would think twice about losing his V card to a girl who said that to him if the tables were reversed.

I'm not gonna argue point by point. But this isn't theory....this is what I have seen and KNOW to be true over the last 6 months. The thing about the appearance is just you misrepresenting what I said. I said do the best with hat you have...and this is enough even if you're not naturally 'good-looking'....obviously don't look like a slob thats just common sense.

You don't make her feel like a prostitute....you make her feel like a WOMAN, huge difference, rather than some prize that has to be won just because of the fact that she has a vagina.


I know the concept of "be a man and you will get laid" is simplified and difficult to understand and accept for some, but when you are crystal clear on what it takes to "be a man" (confident, unapolagetic, fearless in the approach, no contemplation of rejection etc etc) it just comes so naturally and easily. I can honestly say that I find it easy to get laid at will now...numbers of different lays have become meaningless as well and I don't even tell people about my lays. I do it purely for sexual gratification, nothing else. I'm sorry if you can't understand this...bu this is reality, for me...and it should -and can- be this easy or everyone.

 

[drtk]

Whilst I normally avoid these kinds of threads L777 makes a good point. I can tell a post bore out of experience, rather than one spouting theory or nonsense.

Based on my own experience, and observing others in real life situations (I.e not bull**** theory), the effect of look is either one of the following:

1) It has absolutely no effect besides generating confidence in the guy, and it's this confidence which attracts the girl.

2) Looks is one form of value, like being well dressed, social proof, humour, dominance or having a good skill in something. It isn't better or worse, just one form of value amongst many

Either way your looks won't hold you back. Oh and Tyler in the Blueprint is right, if one guy is better looking but the other has more status and higher value, the second is pulling the ass.

That's why I have an uglier mate who used to be better at pulling girls than me and would get all the attention, until I started learning pickup and I'm now far better.

And that's why there's so much variation in the reactions you get from girls when you sarge. One night I can have every set blow up in my face, some nights I can mixed reactions and maybe take a girl home, and some night I'll have every set go amazingly well and even have girls coming up to me.

It's the vibe you project. If you're inner game is ****ing tight, you feel confident and relaxed, you just don't give a ****, and feel like the man, girl pick up on it and want in on it. If you're stood there like a loser doubting yourself, sets are gonna go to **** for you.

Don't take my word for it though, get out there and you'll see I'm right for yourself.

100% Agreed. Great post, rep given.

 

[Paintballguy]

Whilst I normally avoid these kinds of threads L777 makes a good point. I can tell a post bore out of experience, rather than one spouting theory or nonsense.

Based on my own experience, and observing others in real life situations (I.e not bull**** theory), the effect of look is either one of the following:

1) It has absolutely no effect besides generating confidence in the guy, and it's this confidence which attracts the girl.

2) Looks is one form of value, like being well dressed, social proof, humour, dominance or having a good skill in something. It isn't better or worse, just one form of value amongst many

Either way your looks won't hold you back. Oh and Tyler in the Blueprint is right, if one guy is better looking but the other has more status and higher value, the second is pulling the ass.

That's why I have an uglier mate who used to be better at pulling girls than me and would get all the attention, until I started learning pickup and I'm now far better.

And that's why there's so much variation in the reactions you get from girls when you sarge. One night I can have every set blow up in my face, some nights I can mixed reactions and maybe take a girl home, and some night I'll have every set go amazingly well and even have girls coming up to me.

It's the vibe you project. If you're inner game is ****ing tight, you feel confident and relaxed, you just don't give a ****, and feel like the man, girl pick up on it and want in on it. If you're stood there like a loser doubting yourself, sets are gonna go to **** for you.

Don't take my word for it though, get out there and you'll see I'm right for yourself.

spot on. When I know I look good, I definitely feel more confident in myself. Which in turn that confidence vibe gets ate up by girls.

 

[WC2]

Perhaps he's not naturally that good looking. There's only so much clothes etc. can do for you. What have Armani clothes got to do with good looks anyway. All it shows is he's got a bit of money to throw around.

So tell me then. Between you two who is generally considered the better looking?

Naturally good looking? Like pretty boys?

Pretty boys get no tail unless they have the mentality.

You can be the most 'naturally' gifted guy physically, but if you don't have the mentality to pull women, you won't.

Of course I'm better looking

However, I have no doubt I could have pulled if I were in his shoes as well.

 

[Paintballguy]

Naturally good looking? Like pretty boys?

Pretty boys get no tail unless they have the mentality.

You can be the most 'naturally' gifted guy physically, but if you don't have the mentality to pull women, you won't.

Of course I'm better looking

However, I have no doubt I could have pulled if I were in his shoes as well.

I've got a great example to prove your point. One of my good friends has the "prototypical" body I guess you would say. No homo, but he is tall, cut, and has decent size muscles. The key part is that he is still a virgin. He just doesn't have the DJ mentality. Looks aren't everything.

 

[MisterMcGee]

But looks aren't 'irrelevant'
bad thread

 

[Duffdog]

BIGGEST BULLSH1T POST EVER

wow...

i cant beileve you ugly ass dudes actually believe this sh1t.

women will not want to go to bed with some ogre looking dude.

if you and like 3 guys walk into a party, and you are the bestdressed one, wearing "armani" and cologne, and a good face, they will be ALL over you.

you can say "hey" and that will get their juices flowing...

second off..

Ugly guys usually dont have as much confidence to talk to girls,

if your dressed well, look good, smell good. you present alpha male charachteristics without even saying a word....ofcourse you still need to know how to talk to women, but it should come naturally to you if you present yourself with confidence and a sense of style

if your wearing some old ass white shows, cheap jeans, and a gray-t.......your not gonna pull as much, your probably not going to pull at all.

www.gq.com


this is ridiculous

I have to agree. What is interesting is that I have a great deal of experience with this. Before I knew what a PUA was, I knew how to get girls easily-- this is going to sound mean, but I don't care.

There are some who are open to be hit on and others who are not. Those who are open are typically already talking to some chumpish guys, because they happened to get to her first and we all know it's all about numbers right? They just kept trying girl after girl until they found one who was receptive. So, being the dominant male, it is your responsibility to take the girl away from the dweebs and establish your dominance. After all, the dorky chumps aren't going to DARE say anything to you.

Here is an example, this just happened on friday. I walked into a bar and saw a group of 4 hot white girls talking to some very average guys. No biggie, average guys are allowed to talk to girls. So, I ignored this at first thinking that the girls were taken...or so you would think! Later in the night, I was feeling daring and wanted a bit of adrenaline, so I walked into the middle of their "circle" and started talking to the girls. Lo and behold, the 4 guys behind me didn't do so much as challenge the fact that I stood right in front of them and started gaming "their" females. I even asked one of the girls "am I being mean to your friends behind me right now?" She responded that she didn't even know those guys!!!!

The average PUA walking into that bar would have looked at the 4 average guys and thought: "see, told ya, looks don't matter. Just look at those dudes" But then, how would that same logic explain me? ONE attractive guy taking over 4 girls when they appeared to be "taken" by four guys for over 30 minutes! You have to have some sort of game to be still talking to girls for half-an-hour. And, in case you were wondering the outcome-- I danced with all four, kclosed one and now she is txting me off the hook today.

In my honest opinion. It is better to think of females as *****s of different prices-- they ALWAYS want the bigger better deal. They just might be occupying themselves with whatever is in front of them until the better deal comes around. I don't think that people should discount the fact that women notice details. They notice when you are working out, they notice when other guys get out of your way because the other guys are subordinate to you. They also notice how other females look longingly at who is getting out of the black lexus wondering if they could have that attention too. Simply deluding yourself into thinking "All I need is some confidence and game and I can have anything" is one of the most parasitic, non-progressive concepts I have ever read. To make a lasting impression, you need to ACTUALLY BE what the females want. Don't take this as meaning you need to be brad pitt, or tall, or bench 350. Being the successful guy at whatever it is you do puts you into a superior position without you having to try. This is what they are noticing.

Lets reverse this for a second. Say you are talking to a nice solid 7, she has a great personality and you two are getting along famously. But then, out of the corner of your eye, you spot a 9. Do you deny that she exists? No, of course not. You wiegh your two options. Either you could stay and continue with this 7 and probably sleep with her, giving you a small reward for your diligence. OR, you could attempt to bag the hottest girl in the place and reap the huge emotional rewards the next day. While you are sitting there talking to the 7, you imagine leaving the 9's house in the morning after nailing her to the floor , smiling from ear to ear knowing in your heart that you came, saw and conquered the absolute best and you deserved it. Common sense tells you that attractive girls are rare and in demand, why would one think that attractive, confident men are any different. Much of this comes down to the self-esteem of the female, low self esteem females have a much higher chance of feeling inadequate for the super awesome guy, thus you see them with losers and presume "that guy just has game or something" to rationalize the apparent disconnect. The fact that there are so many posts about something like "looks matter" means that there is an infinite amount of taboo and stigma about it, making it matter even if it did not before.

I like straightforward talk regarding ones experience with females, but the deception has got to stop. If I wanted to be super cynical, I would say that whomever makes the claim that "looks don't matter" is simply trying to sell more PUA literature for their own benefit, or they have bought into the theory and are trying to defend it. It is far easier to sell books and lessons and videos with the promise that ugly guys can get hot girls just by "following this easy 10 step process that any average guy can do" than it is to say "be confident, go to the gym, get a career and then we will talk about how to get hot women."

 

[MisterMcGee]

It just comes down to this: no matter how much you think looks matter (either not at all or just a little), the fact of the matter is that they DO matter.
It's a part of the package. It's not 'shallow', it has to do with attraction, sexuality, and being impressive either with your genetics or style.
If you and some dude have the exact same personality and game and such, but he could pass as a model while you could pass a regular attractive Joe, things ARE going to be different.
1)You both have to prove a girl's impressions of your 'type' as being wrong (model = player. reg joe = AFC or creep). Looks matter.
2) You will be competing with each other in many departments, looks and style being one of them. Looks matter.
3) You'll have to seduce with body language, a field where looks give you a big boost.
4) Is she gonna choose to have a 'fling'-type thing with a hot dude with good game, or a regular dude with good game? Assuming you both play the game the same, way, she's gonna take the model-looking dude.
5) If she's considering a relationship cause you're awesome, and you're both exactly the same in regards to personality and such, who will she pick? The more physically attractive dude?

It's an unrealistic scenario, of course, but it's simplified to the level of having only the bare basics intact. Minus all the details, you can prove that looks are definitely not 'irrelevant'.
Whether you think the way a dude looks accounts for 5% of attraction or 25% of attraction that a female feels for you, it doesn't matter - they are all different and have their own standards. The fact of the matter is that looks are not irrelevant.

 

[DonGorgon]

There are trends ... the trend now especially with young women that most men want is for them to be attracted to pretty men who have almost feminine features. Looking very "masculine" is not really in style and the moment.

In many cases with young women, good looks or looks their friends approve of is a prerequisite to any form of positive attention from them. as women get older they may think more independently and brauden their taste but not always..

I have found that good looking guys can more easily score quick instant attraction that leads to phone numbers instant makeout sessions and one night stands at the club or bare which is hat most men ant... Most ugly men have a better chance with women being in a situation where they have time to demonstrate their personality to a woman and seduce her that way...

If a woman thinks your looks are not up to par she will make you try alittle harder wait alittle longer or pay alittle more...

Many men have to lower their standards down to fatties and uglies in order to get layed at all... cause they cute women think those men are fatties or uglies... that is just the reality of the situation..

And remember even if you do get a hotty to like you if her friends are calling you ugly or telling her she is too cute for you she wont keep you around long.

 

[L777]

If you actually read the original post you'll see that I said that appearance does matter to a dgree....but its either a 'yes' or a 'no'. i.e. if you are past a certain point in her eyes, if you ar somewhat attractive, then you can sleep with her.

And Duffdog....you have ironically just proved my point, inadvertantly. You walked into the middle of the group....thats obviously a bold, daring, condifent move....which is everything I was talking about in the original post!!

And I wish ppl would stop saying they disagree with me or that this is BS. This post is NOT my opinion or a theory I've come up with, its the reality I see around me time and time again. I'm not asking you if you agree with me or not, I'm telling you that this is the way it is.

Duffdog, I actually think its kinda sad that you still buy into the whole "work out, buy expensive clothes and make sure the women see your lexus at the front of the club" mentality at the age of 30. I bet you get attention from shallow, materialistic girls, leading to phone numbers....and probably not that much sex. If this isn't the case and you actually do get laid a lot, like I said, its down to your way of dealing with women....the situation you described is, ironically almost exactly what I'm talking about in the original post.

Also, your "talking to a 7 then spots a 9" example is fundamentally flawed. Actually if I was talking to a 7 who I really liked and I spotted a 9 I would continue what I was doing but thats just me. Anyway, you can't use the same example with women....cos they can't/don't approach. If you are an average guy and talking to a hot girl and she spots a better looking guy, no way in HELL is she gonna leave you and approach the hotter guy, it just don't happen....plus your attractiveness is increased in her eyes by the fact that you had the balls to approach her and communicate your intentions.

Seriously guys, stop oversimplifying and misrepresenting what I said...this is how it is for me in actual, tangible reality...if you don't like it then please don't be negative about it...but don't accuse of lying or BS-in. I can assure you that I'm not.

 

[trv26]

I have to interject. I think you're kind of missing the point of his story.

Regardless of who's better looking, the mentality of "impressing women into bed" clearly fails. This goes for both dress sense and physical attractiveness.

we've all seen the dudes who try and "buy" their way into a woman's pants stopping at actually paying her for sex. We've also seen these same women get in bed with what most guys would consider to be "inferior" men in whatever sense they want (looks, financial status, reputation, whatever)

I'm not going to argue that looks don't matter. But they don't matter so much that it's going to make a huge difference to those that don't have it as long as they keep their inner game tight and focused. In fact, i'd say it would only make a difference to a ONS or FB type of relationship. in a LT type of relationship, i'd say it matters very little.

Being attractive and buying the way into women's pants are not the same thing.

Even in a LTR looks matter. If ur not the best looking, I'd say, ur more likely to be cheated on and also have more difficulties convincing ur partner to have sex whenever you wish. Ur more likely to get stuff such as I'm not in the mood. Truth being, your not hot enough to turn her on.

 

[Duffdog]

Duffdog, I actually think its kinda sad that you still buy into the whole "work out, buy expensive clothes and make sure the women see your lexus at the front of the club" mentality at the age of 30. I bet you get attention from shallow, materialistic girls, leading to phone numbers....and probably not that much sex. If this isn't the case and you actually do get laid a lot, like I said, its down to your way of dealing with women....the situation you described is, ironically almost exactly what I'm talking about in the original post.

Also, your "talking to a 7 then spots a 9" example is fundamentally flawed. Actually if I was talking to a 7 who I really liked and I spotted a 9 I would continue what I was doing but thats just me. Anyway, you can't use the same example with women....cos they can't/don't approach. If you are an average guy and talking to a hot girl and she spots a better looking guy, no way in HELL is she gonna leave you and approach the hotter guy, it just don't happen....plus your attractiveness is increased in her eyes by the fact that you had the balls to approach her and communicate your intentions.

Seriously guys, stop oversimplifying and misrepresenting what I said...this is how it is for me in actual, tangible reality...if you don't like it then please don't be negative about it...but don't accuse of lying or BS-in. I can assure you that I'm not.
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It is you who is oversimplifying what is said. I don't buy "expensive clothes and pull up in a lexus to make sure the girls see it" That was an example to show what females notice, not what I do. --But, I do work out. I think those two things are vastly different. One shows dedication while the other shows nothing but $$$$$$$. So, lets say you have the following condition: 2 PUA's enter a bar. Both are skilled in the ways of gaming females, but one looks more dominant and intimidating than the other one because he works out. Do you completely discount the fact that one guy is better looking than the other one entirely? What about the fact that being intimidating can scare away other GUYS competing with you? Does that also not matter now--just because you myopically decided to disregard it happening? I am slightly offended that you just decided that I don't have sex a lot because of your own internal judgment about how I am with women.

Anyway, you can't use the same example with women....cos they can't/don't approach.

Wrong. Women conscientiously place themselves in locations and establish situations that make it easier for you to approach in order to maximize the chances that the guy they WANT will get them. Just because they didn't come up and talk to you with a verbal pick up line doesn't mean they don't have other methods. And even wronger to assume that "they never" approach. Yes, they do-- I have a mental list of terrible pick up lines that females attempted to use on me. Trust me, they aren't cool. Females approach other ways, dancing is one of them. Ever notice how a girls hands "just happen" to somehow end up around your neck when you are dancing with them? That's the female equivalent of "pay attention to me now." Your theory would have everyone assuming that females are absolutely incapable of doing anything except sitting there waiting for a man to come up to them.

The difference between you and me is that I want a 9 or 10 in my heart and I will be as brave and confident as possible to get one. Yeah the bars and clubs are filled with 6's and 7's all the time-- but thats not what I want. You may, at your option, call every girl I hit on "superficial" because she looks and acts a certain way, but that is what I truly want. I want the challenge, I want to compete and I want to win.

I think it is a disservice to the average guy to tell them that looks don't matter at all. Maybe they matter TO THE GUY, making him more confident and attractive inside, meaning that he is more confident on the outside. Unfortunately, due to the nature of a site that offers advice, nothing can be tangible. Your experience is limited to your surroundings and not applicable to anyone else. What is applicable are factual occurrences that could apply: I said x, the girl did y.

Everything else is mostly fluff.

 

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Persistance....unless she tells you straight "f.uck off" then persist....she WANTS you to.

A little off-topic at this point, but for real? Just keep advancing despite all resistance? This is the first I've read of this, you're saying this actually works?

I can't see how any girl would 'want' that.