US soldier throws puppy from cliff

[bigjohnson]

however, to be as ruthless as to kill an innocent puppy for entertainment , or even joke about it, in a sick way like this... is absurd! that isn't useful or needed in any way at all.

I agree, but with all the other horrible things going on I just can't get too worked up over it. It's on the queue of things to worry about but it's not near the top.

 

[penkitten]

I agree, but with all the other horrible things going on I just can't get too worked up over it. It's on the queue of things to worry about but it's not near the top.

i never said it was top priority... but it also isn't another something that should be overlooked.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Dogs are not innocent little babies like some of you people are making out, either. They possess a killer instinct like anything else on this planet-- including you.

Right, I've had my run-ins with dogs, and they're vicious, they'll bite through fences, and they're sneaky. Last July I was walking up to the front porch and the border collie seemed harmless wagging it's tail (btw people always say, "Oh him, he's harmless" yeah, right), and as soon as I turn to go back to my car the little fvcker bit me on the calf. I guess he was showing off in front of his bigger friend dog, who was also hostile towards me. After that, I tried chasing it down but couldn't catch it intending to kill it. So next day I called Animal Control and had him put away. Just doing my duty

 

[Aboleo]

heres a story for you...

Good story, and I do agree with you to a certain extent... but that waiter risked too much over too little, if you ask me. There is a time to fight, and it is usually a time to kill when it comes down to it. If you are not willing to risk your life, limbs and freedom over a petty squabble, THEN DON'T FIGHT!

What if Frank had a gun, or a knife? What if the waiter had killed him with his bare fists?! That waiter with the best of intentions could have died or killed over nothing!

It is for this reason that I avoid violence. However, if someone attacks me they had better kill me, because if they don't I will do everything in my power to kill them and it will probably involve a bullet to the head. Otherwise, I will not fight. Like you, I hate violence. But I will protect myself and my loved ones with everything I have within my abilities if the situation calls for it.

Would you really risk killing someone (or being killed) over a dog?!

 

[KarmaSutra]

Right, cowardliness... I'm guessing that you didn't even bother to actually read or understand anything that I have written... also, I never said that I would train a puppy to be a killer, I only said that it could be done were you stated that it could not. Dogs are not innocent little babies like some of you people are making out, either. They possess a killer instinct like anything else on this planet-- including you. If you honestly hate all human life, why don't you go purchase a firearm and end yours right now? That, or you can take a long, serious look at yourself in the mirror... bare with me, I honestly don't want you to harm yourself, I am merely making a point.

Some people like to go on about how bad we human beings are, how life is all misery and woe and to a certain extent, they have a point; Anne Frank is now a pile of ash and Gandhi was killed in a hail of bullets. But life -- like society -- has many things to offer. It has given us things like war and evil men like Hitler, but at the same time it has also given us Einstein, Aristotle, and the Beatles. Life is many things. It is a war, it is the birth of your child, and the death of your child. It is the touch of a woman, and the pain of that woman leaving you. It is the laughter of a long lost friend and also the cries of your dying mother. It is your breath from your first to your last. It is balance, and there is a need for every one of these things, be they "good" or "bad" you really can't call what you have a "Life" without experiencing all of them in one form or another. A time of war is needed, and so is a time of peace. I might not always like the facts of life, but the universal truth is always there in the mirror staring me right back between the eyes whether I like it or not every single time I look. The funny thing is, an animal understands all of this without ever having to think about it. There is always good and bad in everything. Even you.

Who is the coward now?

Try reading my post, which you quoted, a couple dozen more times.

When did I single you out as a coward? I didn't. And no, a puppy cannot be an innate killer. Once it's grown a bit and can learn what motivates it's behaviour is when it realizes that it can kill.

Of course there is good and bad in everything. I look for the positive in everything but I also acknowledge the negative as a thriving entity within that positivity.

Your suggestion for me to off myself, however half handed it is, is absurd. Suicide is for quitters and people who have saved thier seat on a comet.

In this c0cksuckers place, he had a choice to either love this puppy or fling it like a booger. I hope he rots in hell and his buddies are stricken with terminal illness.

You want to know if I value a dogs life over most humans -

ABSO-FVCKING-LUTELY! - we have the value of choice. Dogs have training or instinct to rely on only.

I have 5 girls and would kill some fool if they looked at any of them with harmful intent. With a smile on my face as I slit their throat ear to ear.

Believe it.

 

[ketostix]

Not at all. Personally I HATE fighting and avoid it at all costs. But there is a difference between inflicting pain for sadistic pleasure and doing it to defend the innocent or teach someone a lesson.

Here's a story for ya.

I have a childhood friend, we'll call him Frank. He was the kind of kid who grew up in the street and his parents let him do whatever he damn well pleased. As you can imagine, by the time we were in high school, Frank was getting himself into all sorts of trouble and going nowhere fast.

One day a military recruiter showed up at our school looking for new prospects. He was a charismatic guy and managed to convince Frank that a career in the Marines would be perfect for him. And so, to my great amazement, frank joined the military, and I didnt see him for another 10 years.

When we finally did meet up again I didnt even recognize him. The guy was HUGE and scary looking! Everywhere we went you would see that nervous look on people's faces. The bastard knew it too and took every opportunity to punk everyone in his path, knowing they would just cower in fear.

Apparently he learned discipline in the Marines but he was more disrespectful than ever, especially to "civvies". I tried talking sense into him, but how do you undo a lifetime of conditioning with conversation? The guy was a badass and there was little anyone could do about it.

The same day we met he invited me out for some grub. We went to eat at a local diner and Frank was being his usual assh0le self, except this time he chose the wrong target. It was this seemingly harmless Mexican guy who was serving our table.

The dude was remarkably patient with us despite the slew of insults Frank kept tossing at him. But Frank finally crossed the line and made the mistake of picking on another kid, apparently the waiter's younger cousin. He made several threatening remarks and finally sealed his fate when he called mexican women wh0res.

"You hear that Taco Bell? You momma's only good for sucky sucky in Tijuana"

Now I don't know about where you come from, but in my hood we don't tolerate that kind of talk unless we are friends and just kidding around. It was officially the last straw in this scenario. The waiter put down his tray and pointed at Frank

"Sir, I demand that you take that back and apologize to my cousin."

Frank was glowing with happiness... finally an excuse to kick someone's ass! He got out of his seat and right in the kids face with his fat finger and said "or what little man?"

"Please.. don't make me hurt you" replied the waiter.

Frank laughed hysterically, dumbfounded by the set of balls on this scrawny guy. He grabbed him by the shirt and was about to make another smart-ass comment when out of nowhere, dude grabbed his wrist and twisted it backwards with a sickening *crunch*, then elbowed Frank in the nose, breaking it instantly.

I then watched in amazement as the guy let out a fury of combos to the head and body. I've never seen anyone move that fast - it was like 50 punches per second! He finished Frank off with a grueling uppercut, knocking him clear into the air and onto the ground, out cold!

The people in the restaurant cheered and applauded the waiter, but homeboy was out the door. The last thing you want is assault charges when you are an illegal immigrant.

Frank came to a few minutes later in a lot of pain. I tried to help him move but the guy was too massive. The paramedics had to come and whisk him off to the hospital where he was diagnosed with a broken nose, wrist, jaw, two fractured ribs and some internal bleeding. It was the first time he got his ass kicked and it was a doozy!

Now we can argue about whether or not that waiter had enough motive to be so violent. He wasnt in any physical danger and if you think about it, he snapped over something that most people would find trivial.

But regardless of the moral argument, let me tell you that Frank was never the same after this incident. Someone had finally showed him where the line was and he learned respect. Ever since then he is one of the sweetest people you'll ever meet. And here is the kicker to the story.. him and that mexican dude are close friends now.. go figure!

So while violence rarely solves anything, I will argue from personal experience that in some cases, it actually does a world of good.

I'm thinking this story is fictional. Fingz you have a history of writing good fiction. You are a good story teller though. I'll give you that. It's not that easy for someone even bigger to cause that much damage to another even smaller man.

 

[ketostix]

Right, I've had my run-ins with dogs, and they're vicious, they'll bite through fences, and they're sneaky. Last July I was walking up to the front porch and the border collie seemed harmless wagging it's tail (btw people always say, "Oh him, he's harmless" yeah, right), and as soon as I turn to go back to my car the little fvcker bit me on the calf. I guess he was showing off in front of his bigger friend dog, who was also hostile towards me. After that, I tried chasing it down but couldn't catch it intending to kill it. So next day I called Animal Control and had him put away. Just doing my duty

I had a border collie one time. I got a german shepard puppy and the border collie bit him on the back of the neck and torn some of his fur off. He was pure evil and I had to give him away. They're supposedly the most intelligent of dogs, maybe that's why a lot of them are so ornery.

Most dogs are good but some are bad. Dogs have a personality just as humans do. This is one reason why I said earlier in this thread that dogs should be treated more humanely than most other animals since they're are an intelligent, feeling beings.

 

[ketostix]

Good story, and I do agree with you to a certain extent... but that waiter risked too much over too little, if you ask me. There is a time to fight, and it is usually a time to kill when it comes down to it. If you are not willing to risk your life, limbs and freedom over a petty squabble, THEN DON'T FIGHT!

What if Frank had a gun, or a knife? What if the waiter had killed him with his bare fists?! That waiter with the best of intentions could have died or killed over nothing!

It is for this reason that I avoid violence. However, if someone attacks me they had better kill me, because if they don't I will do everything in my power to kill them and it will probably involve a bullet to the head. Otherwise, I will not fight. Like you, I hate violence. But I will protect myself and my loved ones with everything I have within my abilities if the situation calls for it.

Would you really risk killing someone (or being killed) over a dog?!

Yeah if the story was true this waiter guy would've been most likely tracked down and prosecute since Figz says Frank end up even becoming friends with the waiter .And the waiter would have to be a very skilled martial artist and Frank would have to been a tomato can to do this much damage so quickly. More easons he would be charged with something.

 

[Aboleo]

Your suggestion for me to off myself, however half handed it is, is absurd. Suicide is for quitters and people who have saved thier seat on a comet.

While I agree TOTALLY with you on this one, I guess you still don't see the irony when you stated that you hate human beings and yet you are one?!

Also, humans can be trained just as an animal can. You didn't exactly drop out of your mother's vagina able to recite Shakespeare, did you?-- I'm not saying that a dog can be taught to read poetry, but everything in this world must learn and grow as it develops (that is pretty much the definition of the word, isn't it?). Yourself included.

Choice is only a matter of knowing the difference between two or more different reactions to an action based on the knowledge of any given outcome learned through experience... it could be as easy as asking "can I eat it, or will it eat me?" and then making a decision based on those two possibilites. Even human beings are not exempt from this thought process as we do this everyday.

I have 5 girls and would kill some fool if they looked at any of them with harmful intent. With a smile on my face as I slit their throat ear to ear. Believe it.

We differ on this, I would never take pleasure in taking the life of another... nor would I kill someone over something as trivial as a perceived facial expression. Seek therapy, my friend.

 

[Aboleo]

Yeah if the story was true this waiter guy would've been most likely tracked down and prosecute since Figz says Frank end up even becoming friends with the waiter .And the waiter would have to be a very skilled martial artist and Frank would have to been a tomato can to do this much damage so quickly. More easons he would be charged with something.

Whether the story is true or not is irrelevant, it is the context that matters most. Which, in this case, is irrelevant as well.

Sorry, Fingz... nice try, though.

 

[ketostix]

Whether the story is true or not is irrelevant, it is the context that matters most. Which, in this case, is irrelevant as well.

Sorry, Fingz... nice try, though.

I wouldn't say whether the story is true is irrelevent. If the story never happened then it is additional relevency to the validity of Fingerz position. If the story ever happened like that anywhere it would've had different repercussions and outcomes than what he claims.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Are we still trying to figure out whether flinging animals off cliffs for fun is meaningless or not?

 

[Aboleo]

Are we still trying to figure out whether flinging animals off cliffs for fun is meaningless or not?

Flinging animals off of cliffs is wrong, and if you think it is fun you should probably seek some help. I've already stated this.

If the soldier killed the puppy and ate it, on the other hand, I honestly wouldn't give a ****. I just don't think that he should go to jail or be kicked out of the military for something as trivial as killing a puppy (trivial in comparison with the punishment, anyways), if he even did... especially when people from other cultures all over the world kill dogs everyday for food, or because they are being pests.

What the hell do you people think they do to animals in the Humane Society-- they kill dogs, cats, and even little furry bunnies-- and a hell of alot more of them than that soldier could ever hope to fling from a cliff (alledgely)!

I wouldn't say whether the story is true is irrelevent. If the story never happened then it is additional relevency to the validity of Fingerz position. If the story ever happened like that anywhere it would've had different repercussions and outcomes than what he claims.

Fingz is actually a pretty cool guy in my book, and I'm not going to attack him without grounds or reason in such a way as claiming that he is fabricating a story. He said something foolish in my opinion, thats all. I am sure that I will inevitably say something foolish as well and will hopefully be corrected on it with intelligence, dignity and forgiveness. The moment you stop learning, you stop living. Learning must never stop, even for a great advisor like Señor Fingers.

 

[KarmaSutra]

While I agree TOTALLY with you on this one, I guess you still don't see the irony when you stated that you hate human beings and yet you are one?!

Also, humans can be trained just as an animal can. You didn't exactly drop out of your mother's vagina able to recite Shakespeare, did you?-- I'm not saying that a dog can be taught to read poetry, but everything in this world must learn and grow as it develops (that is pretty much the definition of the word, isn't it?). Yourself included.

Now you're back peddaling. I should have been more on point. I loathe people who don't have the lack of character to care whether a life is worth more than thiers.

Choice is only a matter of knowing the difference between two or more different reactions to an action based on the knowledge of any given outcome learned through experience... it could be as easy as asking "can I eat it, or will it eat me?" and then making a decision based on those two possibilites. Even human beings are not exempt from this thought process as we do this everyday.

If it's a life or death situation my reaction would be vastly different. Killing just to do it is absurd and shows that the individual has some severe psychosis.

We differ on this, I would never take pleasure in taking the life of another... nor would I kill someone over something as trivial as a perceived facial expression. Seek therapy, my friend.

I guess we can end this with our differences then. I value the life of my dogs and have no problem killing someone who has the intent of harming them.

I do not need therapy. It seems your passivity is the point of view in question. Perhaps you may want to consider talking to someone?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

..If the soldier killed the puppy and ate it, on the other hand, I honestly wouldn't give a ****. I just don't think that he should go to jail or be kicked out of the military for something as trivial as killing a puppy (trivial in comparison with the punishment, anyways), if he even did... especially when people from other cultures all over the world kill dogs everyday for food, or because they are being pests. .

And you keep bringing up eating animals for survival because??? Was this guy hunting for his survival? Do you consider flinging puppies off cliffs as hunting? Are you saying that our military isn't capable of feeding our troops? How do you come about equating what this guy did for fun to what under under developed countries do for necessity? How often do you eat puppies? They eat puppies in other countries, why shouldn't we? It's the same thing, right?

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Fingers, you are dealing with dark characters here! Disregard the lie to make room for the truth!!!

I fvcking loathe people. If I had to choose to shoot either The Pope over a puppy, The Pope would be writing his name on the black book of death.

Psychopath!!!

This coming from a guy who called all humans (Africans included) a virus...

So Quicksilver, a mod, thinks humans are a virus" The question is - is he human??

And for Aboleo to question Blacks as humans is an abomination, and he is worthy of abolishment!!!

 

[Trinitron]

To the one poster who thinks this is a liberal view point in general where anyone finds such behaviour detestable consider this.... today it's an innocent puppy thrown to it's death tomorow it could be a child or innocent adult found murdered.... will you still be saying that people with power are cool in your book of unreasonable thoughts?

It's people with a power mindset who find it wonderful to abuse children as well.... do you still say this is a bleeding heart's liberal view and exceptable behaviour?

today it's an innocent puppy thrown to it's death tomorow it could be a child or innocent adult found murdered the next day it could be the world destoryed AHHHHHH!!

No one said it was acceptable. But I recognise it is just one dog, one mutt.
A whole village could be bombed to the ground and dozens of families killed and you wouldn't say anything, it wouldn't get mentioned here. You lot wouldn't be having your little bleeding heart liberal circle jerk about that.
Your mindset is so infantile and stupid it's almost unintelligible. There ae people in this thread saying dogs are equal to people (mostly women) and that this guy should be tortured. Women are on the same level as dogs anyway, man is not.

Are you finding it funny about the puppy or something else? Explain yourself. For if it's about you finding a soldier throwing an innocent puppy off a cliff to it's death funny and amusing you need serious help.

Who cares? Dogs die. People go out and shoot animals. Animals get killed all the time in much worse ways legally, right here in the western world, pinnacle of civilisation.
Get over it, just go and cry it out in to your pillow or something.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...Who cares? Dogs die. People go out and shoot animals. Animals get killed all the time in much worse ways legally, right here in the western world, pinnacle of civilisation...

Since we're at the pinnacle why don't we proclaim our superiority by throwing things off the top. This is the thing that makes it even more disturbing, so many people have no idea that this deals with an issue which goes well beyond what happened to the dog.

 

[j-flex]

Have you ever considered throwing strays off of your roof for sh1tz n' giggles? Videotape it and upload it to YouTube or put it on your MySpace page so that you can have memories of such humorous times.

nope, but i shoot birds with my rifle

 

[j-flex]

How about if a U.S. soldier grabbed your mother (only half a word due to how she obviously brought your simplified ass up) and tossed her over a cliff?

Wait.

I'd probably get a hearty chuckle out of that.

lol, you must be stupid or what?,

dog= animal

a dog is not a human. is not the same to kill a dog than to kill a human.

if thats the case, then everybody is a murderer because we eat animals that were killed.

hunters are killers acording to you and deserved to die

lol