The One Thing I 100% Agree With BlackPillers On

[Hamurabimbi]

As long as men are so thirsty and have ostensibly discretionary income women will gladly take it.

I’m on OLD and while I stick older age groups given my own age, I do from time to time set the bar for younger gals to see what’s going on. The use of the words: “successful gentleman” , “generous”, “spoil me”, “I love to travel” is everywhere now in the younger profiles. They would not post that if it didn’t net results.

Hell there is a contingent here that base their game on leading with their “wealth”, whether real, not, or imagined.

Girls not only gladly take resources from men. But are proud of it. One of my ex-‘s boasted to me her ex-BF paid for her car & schooling. Another GF I met via Tinder Told me she went out with a guy via Tinder. She told him no kissing. No sex (she said she didn’t find him attractive, but thought his bio was cool). He still took her to dinner and a ballgame.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Did you get the feeling they appreciated the support or do they regard these generous men as chumps? I think the latter.

My ex- who used the BB to buy her car & school. She openly mocked. The other girl was more appreciative. And said she really enjoyed his company and had a nice time with him. She just didn’t feel any sexual attraction for him.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Which was not a problem to her accepting his money...
"How to be a sex worker without actually providing sex."

I’ve personally heard women boast and mock guys who buy them expensive stuff.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I’ve personally heard women boast and mock guys who buy them expensive stuff.

Doesn't pay to be easy

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's why I eschew giving material gifts to women unless we're already in a loving LTR. And even then, the gifts will not be 'expensive' as much as 'thoughtful'. With the right woman, the gift is more about letting her know you thought about her, than the actual value. Women who do not appreciate small gifts are not worthy of the bigger gifts.

Dutch proverb: 'Wie het kleine niet eert is het grote niet weert' (who doesn't appreciate the small is not worthy of the big).

My GF still makes fun of my for giving her a tiny box of chocolate (2 pieces) after our first date. She’s convinced they were samples I got for free (they weren’t).

 

[Gamisch]

How did you establish that there is no stigma?
Firstly, no guy in his right mind and with an IQ above 50 would overlook a woman's sexual past before getting serious with her or have any doubts that OF is sex work. Secondly, read the comments under the articles about OF or the YouTube videos with OF 'models'. People know what's going on.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't believe that legalization of prostitution would magically transform wife material girls, those with the mindset for family and children, into sex workers. The idea is laughable ... those girls won't even go down the IG influencer route which is legal and carries basically no stigma.

I have to agree. Prostitution is legal here , and ill bold it: the US of A is the LEADING EXAMPLE to the entire western hemisphere. Everything that happens there happens here in Europe. Men in Europe have it equally difficult as men everywhere.

Having said that, another thing I'll bold: if you legalize prostitution, MORE women will dabble into it. She can work in a sexclub somewhere far from home for six months and hardly anyone will know. It's mostly the lifestyle that creeps up with them, similar to Male criminals who start living a luxurious life instead of staying lowkey and stacking money.

1.Women WON'T behave better suddenly. 2.Men also won't be satisfied with just visiting prostitutes.

Lets look at 2. I do know MANY men who haven't seen a naked woman besides prostitutes. BUT, they have a notch count of hunderds. (Your weeny in a slid= a penetration. If she quits sex work, you still have hit it..).

So yes, some men will refrain from regular dating and "make life easy" by visiting a sex club weekly and pay approximately 100 euro for 30 minutes, or even 40 if you visit certain places. But eventually also these men wouldn't say no to a loyal, honest fine woman who'd believe in them through thick and thin.

 

[Gamisch]

What about the shaming that will ensue? Men are already shamed for wanting to bang hookers.

The need will be stronger than the shame.

Not too long ago you HAD to be seen with a baddie to keep your reputation up. Even visiting prostitutes was frowned upon. Something like a man dressing like a woman was unheard of. A passport bro was rather called a passport predator (and that was when it actually worked to be a passport bro lol)

Now it's all mainstream. There's BILLIONS to be made by providing men an alternative solution to being an incel.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The need will be stronger than the shame.

Not too long ago you HAD to be seen with a baddie to keep your reputation up. Even visiting prostitutes was frowned upon. Something like a man dressing like a woman was unheard of. A passport bro was rather called a passport predator (and that was when it actually worked to be a passport bro lol)

Now it's all mainstream. There's BILLIONS to be made by providing men an alternative solution to being an incel.

I don’t know a single person who has been with a h@@ker. Or at least will admit to it.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I don’t know a single person who has been with a h@@ker. Or at least will admit to it.

Ironically the men I know who have gone to ho0kers and admit it, are also men who attracted a fair share of women.

 

[pipeman84]

I don’t know a single person who has been with a h@@ker. Or at least will admit to it.

It's the kind of thing one shouldn't talk about because most often than not, there's no positive out of it. Imagine you're in a group of guys and some of them try shaming you or somehow act like a superior smart ass. You can bring up their girlfriends or worse wives, and point out they are tied down to women who've had their share of dycks and as their SMV started plunging (when older than 25) they found a chump to settle down with. Those are facts that can't be argued with, but they'll probably feel insulted. So it's a lose/lose situation.

 

[Gamisch]

Ironically the men I know who have gone to ho0kers and admit it, are also men who attracted a fair share of women.

Great point.

Ofcourse we will be quick to picture a "typical neckbeard incel" ,BUT there's another reality at play as well: the sex addicted man with some money who simply loves the thrill combined with clapping cheeks.

The reason why ,as mentioned before the typical blackpiller will still refrain from escorts despite having no women might have to do with the fact that its STILL a male/female interaction. If you are extremely "self aware" and in a negative way (like most blackpilled men do) you'll THINK and perhaps rightfully so feel that the woman goes through the motion robotically. Can you imagine that a prostitute of all people is the final straw that broke the camel's back, and makes such a man believe that NO woman on earth likes him?


There are many sexclubs where you gotta pay a "hefty" amount just to enter the vicinity ,thus raising the bar and type of men that visit such a club. As I said before , you'll be hard pressed to find a woman lower than hb7 and mostly between 20 and 30 years old. It's basically a perfect match at that point: horny money hungry woman vs good looking sex addicted man. They might've met in a club and they woukd also sleep with each other.

If you are a good looking man she'll probably enjoy the job and show enthusiasm, unless she has a bad mood. I bet that a hunderd bucks will provide most men with the opportunity to sleep with the hottest woman they've slept with in 5 years...

At some point the game slips away from a man. At that point a few interactions with women can give him that egde back.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Great point.

Ofcourse we will be quick to picture a "typical neckbeard incel" ,BUT there's another reality at play as well: the sex addicted man with some money who simply loves the thrill combined with clapping cheeks.

The reason why ,as mentioned before the typical blackpiller will still refrain from escorts despite having no women might have to do with the fact that its STILL a male/female interaction. If you are extremely "self aware" and in a negative way (like most blackpilled men do) you'll THINK and perhaps rightfully so feel that the woman goes through the motion robotically. Can you imagine that a prostitute of all people is the final straw that broke the camel's back, and makes such a man believe that NO woman on earth likes him?


There are many sexclubs where you gotta pay a "hefty" amount just to enter the vicinity ,thus raising the bar and type of men that visit such a club. As I said before , you'll be hard pressed to find a woman lower than hb7 and mostly between 20 and 30 years old. It's basically a perfect match at that point: horny money hungry woman vs good looking sex addicted man. They might've met in a club and they woukd also sleep with each other.

If you are a good looking man she'll probably enjoy the job and show enthusiasm, unless she has a bad mood. I bet that a hunderd bucks will provide most men with the opportunity to sleep with the hottest woman they've slept with in 5 years...

At some point the game slips away from a man. At that point a few interactions with women can give him that egde back.

Fassbender's character in Shame

 

[Manure Spherian]

Ofcourse we will be quick to picture a "typical neckbeard incel"

Actually the womanizers I knew growing up would be told they “sound like an incel” today.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Fantasy is fantasy, but adding paid sex workers to your 'conquests' is similar to banging trans women and saying you're straight.

Ewww

 

[Dr.Suave]

Imagine you're in a group of guys and some of them try shaming you or somehow act like a superior smart ass. You can bring up their girlfriends or worse wives, and point out they are tied down to women who've had their share of dycks and as their SMV started plunging Those are facts that can't be argued with, but they'll probably feel insulted. So it's a lose/lose situation.

No need to imagine, it happens on the SoSuave Forums all the time.

 

[Solomon]

Even if prostitution was legal, BlackPillers wouldnt run to them women and have sex them,

BlackPillers main gripe is they can’t get the hot, sexy, young never married, no kids women in 20s to have sex with them and love and care about them.

BlackPillers can get single mothers -> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get fat women—> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get older women -> don‘t want them
BlackPillers can get sex anywhere , but they have to pay for it directly -> don’t want them

The main fight, the main anger, the main bitterness among BlackPillers, RedPillers and men everywhere, is for hot young women under 30 who have little baggage.

A woman outside parameters, it’s in a man’s DNA to know how to act around them.

Brother you bring up an excellent point that I have also brought up throughout the years. If you are a man you cannot be mad at a woman wanting the best option she can get, men do it too. The thing that Blackpillers (and these average men particularly on Tik Tok) don't realize is that 20 years ago if you were a man who was 25+ with no job, no car, and lived in your parents' house you didn't get much or any play. Fast Forward the rising number of men who are overweight, live with their parents, have no job or car (one or all) has risen significantly in the last 20 years

Not saying BPers don't have valid points, but I remember once watching a livestream video about a 30 year old black piller whining about not having a girlfriend and he was living with his parents while working at Taco Bell. These guys sound just like the women they complain about. He easily can get a fat girl of Tinder if he wanted lol

What I find OD is BPers constant obsession over looks and making livestreams on youtube hours on end, it really lets you know they want hot young women and are in rage mode that they can't get them. Instead of doing 6 hour youtube livestreams that's 6 hours you could spend at a job or working out and doing other fun stuff

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

I'm not entirely sure of what the exact timeline would be for something like this, but I totally agree. I'm not even old, but 10 years ago the thought of only fans was never even in the cards. I remember around that time period there was this huge scandal going on with this site called Girls Do Porn lol, which was a wild case btw. Anyway, fast forward to today and it's actually not all that rare for regular/normal women to be creating content for OF. I think it's pretty crazy to see how much the attitude towards something like this has changed in such a relatively short period of time.

With OF specifically, I think a huge reason is that women can make a lot of money off of it without really doing all that much. I've never been on there, but I guarantee a good chunk of it is just taking photos/videos of themselves in lingerie or even full blown naked, maybe have their boobs out, etc. I'm sure it goes beyond this, but I also guarantee that there are hordes of simps that would throw decent amounts of cash to see this crap. It's a bizarre concept to me that doesn't make sense, especially since you can see countless numbers of naked women for free with a simple google search lol.

I think the idea of a man dating a woman as being a luxury or unusual has some interesting points that I can kind of see playing out. Even today, there are tons of stats showing that Gen Z men are regularly NOT having sex or dating women, whereas for the opposite sex this is NOT true. A lot of it is simply women chasing a minority of men and leaving the remainder fighting for scraps or even be left out in the cold all together. I used to think this crap was made up, but I've seen it for myself with those a bit younger than me. Many women today are far too readily rejecting decent/acceptable men that would make solid relationship prospects in favor for who knows what exactly.

During the pre COVID years I knew a guy going to the university in my area who would have an actual real GF that was long distance AND also had a side piece that was obsessed with him. I guarantee that side piece would have considered herself "in a relationship" or "taken" if she were surveyed, so she had effectively taken herself off of the market. Granted, they were in college but I'd wager something like this is not all that uncommon past that age range.

Your idea about the poly relationships is interesting and I also believe this is going to be far more common. The example I mentioned above would be somewhat common and not all that unusual. However, I also could see something where a woman is getting multiple men as well. Quite a while ago when I used to use facebook I recall seeing a profile picture in the "suggested friends" list or whatever that was called that had a woman with 2 men in the picture with her. The woman was below average looking, as were the men, and when I clicked on it they clearly were in a poly relationship, 1 woman with the 2 men lol. I don't think this would be all that common, but given how desperate a lot of men can get who knows lol.

As for comments about AI, robotics, etc. I personally imagine a scenario where you can have a "relationship" with an AI entity that you can talk to, share your thoughts and feelings with, etc. I picture something like what Master Chief from Halo had with Cortana. As for the sex robots, I totally could see this being very close to the real thing that it would be scary to consider.

Anyone who is following societal level trends and connecting it with ever advancing technology can see where this stuff is heading. I do believe that there will still be normal people with normal relationships, but I think you would have to go OUT of your way to be a part of that. It's very hard to predict cultural norms of the future when there are so many events that can occur, which could completely alter the course of history. Look at how different things were in 1870 compared to 1920, or hell even 1920 with 1970. Look at how much has changed since the late 90s. I'm going to be able to see this all play out in my lifetime and it's going to be wild.

I found it interesting to. I do believe hypergamy and polygamy will be more pronounced in the future 100%

 

[Dr.Suave]

Even if prostitution was legal, BlackPillers wouldnt run to them women and have sex them,

BlackPillers main gripe is they can’t get the hot, sexy, young never married, no kids women in 20s to have sex with them and love and care about them.

BlackPillers can get single mothers -> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get fat women—> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get older women -> don‘t want them
BlackPillers can get sex anywhere , but they have to pay for it directly -> don’t want them

The main fight, the main anger, the main bitterness among BlackPillers, RedPillers and men everywhere, is for hot young women under 30

This guy is quickly climbing through the ranks of my top 10 posters.

 

[sangheilios]

@Solomon

I think the biggest issue is that you have many otherwise normal or even decent men who are legitimately struggling to even get dates, let alone relationships. There have ALWAYS been lifelong bachelors or men that have been cast out of the mating pool, the thing is these men were highly ABNORMAL. However, today you have pretty large swaths of young(ish) men that are in this category, which shows there is something very warped going on.

I've discussed this with @SW15 but many women are incredibly fussy today, though to a degree where they've effectively taken themselves off of the market.

I used to hang out with a guy that worked at a bank and he told me this interesting story about the coworkers trying to set up one of the tellers on a date, a fat girl. Anyway, they asked her how it went and she mentioned something about not being interested, so she asked why, because he was overweight lol. A fat girl rejected her approximate looks match and most likely legitimately believes that she is entitled to a fit man.

I heard a story from a relative who worked at a hospital in the Boston metro area and how the nurses were complaining about how there were no men with "brains" to date lol. Out of one of the bigger metros in the country there were no men suitable for these women, which is outlandish to saw the least.

Hell, I'm 6'4" and around 230 with abs right now and have had issues in the dating market with women I legitimately considered average. Sure, I'm getting into my 30s now, but I cannot see a reason why someone like me should be struggling with women around my age who are average tier.

I think the overall pickiness and being overly selective is something women are far more guilty of than men by far. Sure, you have some guys that may be a bit too picky for their own good, but these guys are by and large the exception and not the norm. In fact, I'd add that most men have fairly low standards and will put up with anything that is potentially available to them sexually.

I also believe that there is nothing incorrect about having some basic standards. As a very man, I expect a girl to at least be of a healthy or normal weight, which I don't think is too much to ask for. A lot of my hobbies are physically active, so this would be a requirement for us to even have some degree of personal compatibility. Other than that, it's just a basic level of attractiveness, her not having kids and not having issues with drugs, alcohol, etc., who is otherwise normal and pleasant to be around. I see plenty of women like this, but found actually getting one to go on a date with has been a challenge.

 

[SW15]

I'm 6'4" and around 230 with abs right now and have had issues in the dating market with women I legitimately considered average. Sure, I'm getting into my 30s now, but I cannot see a reason why someone like me should be struggling with women around my age who are average tier.

6'4", 230 lbs, abs, and muscles definition is 'Chad' territory. A 'Chad' should be seducing average looking women rather easily. 'Chads' pump and dump average looking women. Average looking women are chasing the high of having sex with Chads.

many women are incredibly fussy today, though to a degree where they've effectively taken themselves off of the market.

The abundance of options for many women enables them to be incredibly fussy.