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Originally posted by Luveno
Wyldfire,

using ones personal assets to succeed in life is called success. Using ones personal assets to leech what you want from fools is called exploitation. Of course, I am not saying that the AFC guy is any less at fault than the venomous female, he may be even more deserving for blame. However, these actions are thrown together with the moniker of feminism, which it seems makes it ok.

Yes, men do do the same thing albeit to a much lesser degree, due to the current social and media climate. I still never said it was ok for men to do this. Anyone leeching things from people is trash. However, women are classically more interested in social status in a male. You haven't seen any good looking homeless men with astonishing wives, have you? I bet you've seen plenty of fat lawyers with fit wives though.

Also, replying to my post with comments like "using quotation marks around the word to change the definition is dumb" only makes one believe that you are at a loss of words for this discussion, and thus cannot reply with anything more than insults based on grammatical "errors".

Your post has convinced me of nothing. I still stand by the fact that selfish female entitlement is not feminism, but is being called that in today's world. If anything, your blatant lack of consideration for my point of view has convnced me even more that my point of view is sound.
This post made me think a little...

1) I don't accept that "feminism" or feminism, (or 'feminism', feminism, feminism or even feminism for that matter) means females being selfish, manipulative and exploitative. I don't think thats a complex enough phenomenon to deserve a new title. Its just women being greedy. Since we're having this discussion in English, I challenge anyone who defines feminism as above to find me a dictionary definition of feminism which defines it that way!

* In a nuts kind of way, if you define feminism as broadly as that - you actually prove Wyldfire's post from a few days ago right. The logic goes along these lines: since every woman is at least a little bit greedy, and every woman is occassionally manipulative, then every woman is to some degree a feminist!

2) The feminist movement is probably the most vocal defender and advocate of women acting selfishly. They're the only ones who come up with genuine arguments for it, saying its the only sensible response to an exploitative "patriarchy." Non-feminist, greedy women don't spout that trash, they just get annoyed with you and keep doing it.

3) Because non-feminist greedy women act like that, they get lumped into the same category as the feminists. Its hard to tell them apart from dumb feminists who don't grasp the arguments enough to make them anyway. (and lets face it, thats most feminists, because feminism requires a certain level of stupidity/ugliness to be believed in!)
 

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Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
This post made me think a little...



* In a nuts kind of way, if you define feminism as broadly as that - you actually prove Wyldfire's post from a few days ago right. The logic goes along these lines: since every woman is at least a little bit greedy, and every woman is occassionally manipulative, then every woman is to some degree a feminist!
Thank you sweet Jesus, someone is actually "sharp" enough to understand the point I was making in that post! It's really a shame it got closed for some people attacking me instead of actually thinking about the post I made and discussing it. You have given me at least a little hope for British men, lol. At least now I can actually name one who is rational, logical and clear headed about this particular topic. Thank you for that. Nothing bothers me more than being provided with an actual reason to sterotype a group of people.
 

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I. It's 1 thing to fight for equal rights, it's another to make it a fight of sex versus sex and take that to a political forum. You debase yourself and unshift your position if you pit yourself of 1 ideal versus another. Then it doesn't look as if you're fighting for equal rights, but mascarading it behind the veil of equality, all while attempting to imbalance society.


II. There's no such thing as EQUALITY when 2 beings are essentially and effectively BUILT different. While a BMW and a Ford are cars, they are not the same machine, nor do they yield the same results when put in similar situations. Animals, of any kind are not the same. When observing the animal world, you see the differences in sex on a very simple level of thought and action. Considering the complex powers humans have, in what fashion can we pretend anymore that we are in fact equal?

Of equal rights, yes, of equal being, no.


III. On the surface, it appears as if the debate has swung completely imbalanced. It began as a play for equal rights and opportunity, which has been sequentially granted. However, the new cry has been to make every woman in the image, following the same track record, although our ultimate beings are entirely, genetically, hormonally, and pyschologically different.


IV. The feminism 'card' has been given to young girls to play out their greatest desires, supposedly, only it has worked against them. Instead of being respect as mother's, housewives, grandmothers, daugthers, sisters, women have garnered greater value in looks and sexuality, further debasing themselves. They want to be respect for who they are, but they parade around with a different agenda in mind. And while not all women do such things, " a few bad apples ruin the bunch."


V. In reality, because men can't and never could be controlled based on their inherent programming, societal factors sought the once source that as a whole had as much or more power over life than men, WOMEN. Mothers themselves. Knowing full well that men and women are inseparable units, meant to bond for life, forces went to act upon ripping that shreds, introducing varied forms of relationships, cold emotions, lack of connectedness and false allegations. When you crack the family, you crack the man, and the children. A man not born of a sound family, must find a greater battle than 1 with a great family. If you do this, the masses are easier to control. Force cannot be fought with force, one must submit. Given the oversexualization of women in the media, the false belief that independence is capable by either sex, and the pandering that a career title of some fortune 500 company is more important than that of wife, mother, or grandmother, it's been easier to break apart society, and fragment the home.


VI. By God, give women the freedom to CHOOSE their destiny. I'd never date a woman forced into me, nor would I desire a woman who's not true to her path. But don't gloss up a false reality as the mecca of happiness because it isn't. Nothing good can come of splitting the sexes.





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@ Wyldfire - what do you mean "restored" your faith in British men? My friends (who've actually been to US) say you American women go crazy about us - I'm looking forward to pulling my best James Bond impression this summer :D

@ A-Unit - totally agree with everything you said. I think everyone does - because you spoke truthfully about society and didn't specifically define feminism. I guess we can afford to leave the "what is feminism?" debate to Greer and Dworkin.
 

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Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
@ Wyldfire - what do you mean "restored" your faith in British men? My friends (who've actually been to US) say you American women go crazy about us - I'm looking forward to pulling my best James Bond impression this summer :D

@ A-Unit - totally agree with everything you said. I think everyone does - because you spoke truthfully about society and didn't specifically define feminism. I guess we can afford to leave the "what is feminism?" debate to Greer and Dworkin.
Well, in absolute honesty (and some will find this offensive, I'm sure...but it's HONEST) the vast majority of my interactions with British men has been overwhelmingly negative. Lots of the stuff I've mentioned here in combination with them being the absolute WORST tippers on the planet, with Canadians being right behind them. US waitresses and waiters get anywhere from $2.00 to $3.50 and hour (in some cases less than 1/3 of minimum wage). British diners have the horrible habit of coming to the US to dine out, sit in your section all night and tip you LESS than 10%, which is insulting to a US server. Promise me that when you go the the US that you won't tip your server less than 15% and 20% if they give you good service. That is the range that is customary.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
Thank you sweet Jesus, someone is actually "sharp" enough to understand the point I was making in that post! It's really a shame it got closed for some people attacking me instead of actually thinking about the post I made and discussing it.
Look at me !
Listen to me !
Pay attention to me !
Radiate in the warm glow of my brilliance !
Finally, I have found my public !
I am understood !
I am loved !
I am well !

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Originally posted by stevera004
Look at me !
Listen to me !
Pay attention to me !
Radiate in the warm glow of my brilliance !
Finally, I have found my public !
I am understood !
I am loved !
I am well !

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Actually, this post you made is the one screaming for attention.

"Look at me, Wyld!"
"Pay attention to me, Wyld!"


You're off topic. Post on the subject or get lost.
 

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Actually Wyldfire misinterpreted, misunderstood and/or misconstrued what I and others said then used her interpretation to "prove" we're wrong.

We (at least I didn't) never said being a gold digging, selfish, greedy female was behavior that indentifies her as feminist. But these are traits of a feminist. What I said is feminism is de facto and ingrained and the playing field is unlevel and virtually all women support this and take advantage of the status, so they are essentially feminist.

You're right men "buying" females' affection isn't feminism-that's how it worked basically before feminism. No one made that argument, you did. Duh, feminist wanted to take away this economic leverage from men. We all realize dyed-in-the-wool feminist use a different tactic-they rely on the government, institutions, and societal pressue to obtain their aspirations. A big aspiration of most feminist is to take power, control and wealth away from men on a societal level.

Seems like you want to clinically and narrowly define feminism to a definition feminist like and that's your prerogative. Just like it's our prerogative to define it as we see it really is.
 
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@ Wyldfire

Hey you can't blame us for that one! Its not like anyone explains it to us at border control! In Britain tipping 20% is practically unheard of! When I'm at a restaurant, I tip about 10% and thats pretty much standard practice.

You Americans obviously love throwing your money around, I'll remember that when I'm over.

@ Keto

As we all know - he who sets the definitions wins the argument.

I think your definition of feminism is hopelessly broad to the point where the term loses all meaning. Think about it...

If you argue that everyone who willingly benefits from the actions of an agressive minority should be classified with the minority, then people have the right to classify the entire US population as genocidal (Indians) slavemasters (Africans). Don't worry, we British are no better! We're all murderous, slave trading imperialists. :rolleyes:

Like I said before, if you can find a dictionary definition that defines feminism in the broad sense that you advocate, we have something to talk about - otherwise in my opinion is that you're dogmatically defending something you can't substantiate. Kinda weak.
 

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I see what you're saying, but (if you accept the conflict with Native Americans was genocide) the conflict with Indians and slavery was in the past, feminism is here and now. If you look up the dictionary definition for a Republican, a capitalist, Nazi or any other identifiable group you're not going to necessarily get a critical definition that truley explains who and what they are and their motives, only a terse, neutral PC definition. Even feminist define themselves broadly with several subgroups.
 

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Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
@ Wyldfire

Hey you can't blame us for that one! Its not like anyone explains it to us at border control! In Britain tipping 20% is practically unheard of! When I'm at a restaurant, I tip about 10% and thats pretty much standard practice.

You Americans obviously love throwing your money around, I'll remember that when I'm over.
Actually, I've been told that when you get your passage to enter the US that you are given information that includes tipping practices.

Where you live, servers actually get a good wage from their employer. That isn't how it works in the US. We make WAY, WAY, WAY below minimum wage....and most servers get paychecks of under $20 after taxes for a 30 hour week or more. Basically...the tips a server gets in the US is their wage. So...if someone sits in your section all night and only gives you 10% the server gets totally screwed out of their income for the night. US servers also have to tip out busboys and bartenders. Where I work, I have to tip out 20% of my tips. So, not only do US servers get taxed on their tips, but they also have to give a portion of what they get to tip pools and such.

For average service in the US 15% is customary and 20% for very good service. Spread the word to anyone you know visiting the US. As it is right now...servers never want to wait on people they know are going to undertip...and it will affect the service you get a lot of the time, too.
 
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Originally posted by ketostix
I see what you're saying, but (if you accept the conflict with Native Americans was genocide) the conflict with Indians and slavery was in the past, feminism is here and now. If you look up the dictionary definition for a Republican, a capitalist, Nazi or any other identifiable group you're not going to necessarily get a critical definition that truley explains who and what they are and their motives, only a terse, neutral PC definition. Even feminist define themselves broadly with several subgroups.
Some people would argue that the whilst the Indians and British imperialism were in the past, the benefits are still accruing today. I can see the logic there, since British/European companies still own gold mines in Africa and the big US goldrush families are still rich today.

Likewise, some would say that the changes that feminism brought about have all taken place now (sex discrimination laws, abortion, changes in child custory jurisprudence) but that the women you call feminist are still accruing the benefits.

There's a difference between the two situations in both time and magnitude, but that was the point - I'm taking your principles to a logical extreme to demonstrate what I consider flaws in them.

@ Wyldfire

Really? Doesn't sound like much fun to me! Why do people allow restaurants to get away with such low wages? In UK minimum wage means minimum wage - you can be sued for paying less. I promise I'll be nice to the servers I meet this summer!

I'm pretty surprised there actually is tipping info given to people coming over - I suppose a lot of people never read it, they should, but I guess when you're on holiday you get lazy with stuff like that. I'll tell my friends about tipping US style - hope things pick up for you servers out there.
 

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Originally posted by sexual_intellectual


@ Wyldfire

Really? Doesn't sound like much fun to me! Why do people allow restaurants to get away with such low wages? In UK minimum wage means minimum wage - you can be sued for paying less. I promise I'll be nice to the servers I meet this summer!

I'm pretty surprised there actually is tipping info given to people coming over - I suppose a lot of people never read it, they should, but I guess when you're on holiday you get lazy with stuff like that. I'll tell my friends about tipping US style - hope things pick up for you servers out there.
Well...as long as all the diners understand and play by the "acceptable rules", servers make good money. But it can be very discouraging when you work very hard and get under tipped. The most maddening part is that some foreign people DO know the proper US tipping etiquette and STILL tip as if they didn't just because they think people will forgive them and assume they don't know. Those are the ones that make you run your a$$ off for them, make a huge mess, keep your table tied up all night and tip you 5%. I remember those diners and refuse to wait on them if they come in again unless the manager adds 18% gratuity to their check. :D I don't like being that way...but I'm a single mom and the sole income in our family. I don't get child support now, either. I have to be a biotch about this to be able to feed the monsters.
 

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Feminism almost ruined my life

I agree 100% with the OP and with other people here.

My father had a whole other family when I was a kid, so he wasn't around a lot. That, coupled with the virulent, anti male social mannerisms, really put a hole in my upbringing and well being. For a long time I thought I was a nothing, a nobody, a loser, and a lot of it because I am a man. To this day, I don't know what helped me become "normal" again, but I can honestly say a LARGE portion of it was due to this site, and all of you great people here.

Today when I look at most women, I pity them. Nothing is more fulfilling to a woman than having and raising children. I'm not a woman and I can say this with 100% certainty. They try to fool themselves, but the laws of nature stand above those of humans. They have fooled themselves and men into believing this utter crap you see on TV and the media, that men are inferior. Their agenda was never noble, and today it has become enmeshed in a veil of disgusting debauchery. Think about it, giving the women the right to vote just increated the number of votes by about 2. We all know that if a woman REALLY wanted to vote for someone, she could persuade her husband to, or at least make him SERIOUSLY think twice. We all know women have excellent powers of persuastion over men. Women and men are different, always were, always will be. You can't judge a man and a woman by the same standards. You can be a single mom and raise kids, but just bc you COULD do it doesn't mean you SHOULD do it. You can drive a car with your feet if you want to, that doesn't make it a good idea does it!?

Feminism almost ruined my life, and I'm sure it's ruined the lives of many men who have become AFCs because they just don't know any better, AFCs by default. Reminds me of the Matrix. Guys are in this fvcked up Matrix right now, and this and similar sites are the keys to freedom. Still, I am hopeful and happy because I know that feminism will eventually eat itself. But, sadly, it seems this will not come without much grievance and suffering. You may think I am overdramatizing this, but let me assure you this piece of garbage feminism has brought more pain to my life than anything else I can think of. So much, that for a long time I hated all women, even though I didn't know why. Now I know why, because, without my knowledge, this ideology castrated me and left me emasculated.

I'm going to start helping all the guys I know out there to become more confident, to start being better people. The sad part is that we guys perpetuate it, but I don't know how much we can be blamed, because society programs us to think with our d*cks than with our heads.

That's the one thing I disagree with people here. Masculine to me means strength, which means keeping the "snake in its cage." Women have historically always been the sex who have been unable to control their pleasures, not the other way around. That's what the DJ philosophy really means to me. Restraint.

It's about restraining yourself so that you become the hot commodity again, and not the girls. It's about having the girl when YOU want, not being always available so that she can have you when SHE wants.

In earlier times, men would work so hard that they would come back too tired to pleasure their wives, or oftentimes there were wars, where they were gone for months and years. In egyptian and greek and many other ancient civilizations, men who had sex too much were called weak and unable to control themselves. True strength comes from self-control. To "spill one's seed" extremely and constantly was also known as a quick way to one's death. Like the DJ bible says, real men are climbing mountains and swimming in rivers, not cooking dinner! Today we have become so domesticated and so weak and horny that we gave the power of initiating sex to women on a platter.

It is so obvious that the sex who desires the other more will be subordinate to them. For a long time in history this was the woman. And that was fine, women didn't mind. Women trade power for love, men trade love for power. Woman all the time say they need to be "held," to be "used," etc. Man makes the house, woman makes the home. Today, men have become like rabid dogs because women walk around practically naked and with egos the size of cathedrals.

Is this so hard to understand for this greed infested, morally bankrupt society?

Whew, I'm glad I got that off my chest. I'll get off my soapbox now.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
Thank you sweet Jesus, someone is actually "sharp" enough to understand the point I was making in that post! It's really a shame it got closed for some people attacking me instead of actually thinking about the post I made and discussing it. You have given me at least a little hope for British men, lol. At least now I can actually name one who is rational, logical and clear headed about this particular topic. Thank you for that. Nothing bothers me more than being provided with an actual reason to sterotype a group of people.
Wyldfire, when will you get over yourself and your self- proclaimed "high intellect"?

It gets annoying after a while when someone constantly uses every opporunity to boast.

If you wonder why so many people dislike you and argue with you, it is not only because you're a woman. It is because you carry an arrogant, condescending attitude to anyone who does not share your views. The one person who agrees with you is suddenly "sharp" and more intelligent than anyone else who did not agree. :rolleyes:

You're more transparent than you realize.
 

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Feminism and the attack on masculinity

Originally posted by Señor Fingers
SELF IMPORTANCE

I am not talking about the survival instincts that keeps us going. Of course you should consider yourself important! What I am referring to is the elevation of the self above everyone else. This odd human trait has flourished throughout history, becoming exponentially more prominent and upsetting the natural balance of the world...

...

The biggest problem I see in society is mankinds self-importance coupled with a misplaced sense of shame. Somewhere along the line we learned to value the “I” above the “we” and now you have a global culture full of go-getters trampling each other like a frenzied mob just to climb to the top of the status chain.

Mankind has also learned to feel embarrassed about our natural sexuality while we show no shame in destroying the environment, committing genocide and eliminating entire species for sport or profit. There is no denying that the delicate balance of nature has been radically disrupted!

When the sexual revolution took place in the late 60s early 70s, feminists immediately looked to history and began constructing a "history of patriarchy." I know because one of my history profs has talked to me at length about this. Feminist historians started looking back at the past, and finding the constant domination of women by men as the problem in modern society - from the greed of industrialists killing our environment, to the urban ills, to war, to nuclear weapons, to mass killing, all blamed on unbridled masculinity. Men throughout the ages have dominated and enslaved their wives, dominating the legal system, and generally using their sexual domination to rape women and nature, and to imprison other men in an unequal social hierarchy.

Feminists have called unbridled masculinity society's greatest problem, and have called for caring women to enter businesses and the halls of political power in order to fight the domination of our world by greedy, individualistic, overambitious men. That is the utopia behind feminism - and that is why you and I at first feel shame to embrace our masculinity today, because today's masculinity has been tainted with generations of societal problems which were indeed caused by men.

But feminists overstate their case. Many feminists believe that masculinity and femininity is a social construct and they're WRONG! They're so unbelievably wrong - they have just never allowed themselves to feel their own sexuality. Masculinity and femininity are fundamental to how we think - they are words to describe a feeling, just like happy describes a feeling, masculinity can describe a feeling of being a man. Men are happiest when they feel like men; women should feel like women. Homosexuals - well, I don't know.

I'm happy to have women work by my side, but it feels best to be a man and I am not ashamed to dominate women because women want it. Maybe it's just because our society is unequal (since all women are AFCs... not men's fault!!) but I am a man, a sexual man, and let no one who sees me be unable to perceive it.

Anyway, to sum up - masculinity is almost a bad word in our society, associated with generations of greed, rape, ambition, individualism, and self-importance. For feminists, men who "would do anything to follow their dreams" are the problem with modernity. This is why so many guys are terrified of being men; traditional manliness is associated with society's problems.

Feminists blame untempered masculinity for society's ills, and they have begun a crusade against masculine men. This crusade has been taken up by the usual suspects in the murder of the modern man: the media, PC politicans, gay liberation activists. AFCs have always existed (see Rousseau), but it's only in modern times that men are TERRIFIED of being MEN! A man embracing his sexuality is associated with the same sort of vulgar, uncouth, despicable aggressiveness and need to dominate that has nearly destroyed our environment, killed millions in horrifying wars, oppressed women for generations, and given us nuclear weapons.

Don't you see, men are blamed for all of this, and by analogy, masculinity is shameful.

But let me say something for the men and women reading this. Spineless men will not work to improve and bring peace to our crazy world. It takes real men, with real dreams to make our world a better place; men who will give everything for their dreams, everyone's dream of making our world a better place. I agree with the feminists that some men need better dreams, but a man who never dreams and just works a 9-5 he hates DOESN'T IMPROVE OUR WORLD. A man like that is a pus*y, who just breathes our precious oxygen, and stuffs our overfilled landfills with his waste. He does nothing to improve our world.

A man who dreams of profit and power, and would do anything to get it - including destroy our environment or kill millions or produce weapons - helps our society even less. Eradicating masculinity, what makes men men, cannot change our world for the better - only CHANGING MEN'S DREAMS CAN. We must teach men to dream of helping the world, not just helping themselves. Then real men will make our world a better place.

How can DJs change the world? A DJ isn't just a PUA. A DJ is someone who follows his dreams to the last breath. But if that dream is just personal greed and prosperity, a DJ is exactly the man feminists hate - and in some respects they are right to hate a man who would destroy the world to achieve his dreams (even though they are wrong to blame masculinity for the problem).

A true DJ is someone whose dreams IMPROVE OUR WORLD. A real DJ is making our world a better place, volunteering at soup kitchens, for the elderly, or working in third world countries.

In our world today you have PUAs who can get women, so they do and they never dream of how to make their world a better place. Then you have chumps who have no women so they do real things. Sometimes men who fear women do great things and help society. But it's really rare to find a PUA who follows his dreams of making this world a better place. This is a true DJ, the ideal man. One who never fears his manhood for a moment, embraces his sexuality (which is the source of future and present life), AND dreams to help the world, giving everything to make his world a better place.

You there, reading this - wherever you are or live, there are always places looking for volunteers to give an hour or two here and there to make even a small improvement in our world. Be valiant, be a man, be a DJ; give them a call.

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I love women, but I f*cking hate feminists.

Amen.
 

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Originally posted by fuzzx
www.nomarriage.com
Very interesting website. Although it is aimed at men to try and get them to subscribe to a foreign bride service, (Hot Asian/South american Brides, ect) a lot of what is said about American women is DEAD A$$ED on the money. American girls seem to despise sex, unless you have some $$$, baby, or power and then it doesnt matter. Look at some of my previous posts about the "Clubbin Scene" American women are there to "have a fun time out with their friends" and seldom there to pick up men for sexual purposes. Compare and contrast that to the gay community, where if a gay man and another gay man start grinding on each other, rest assured that they are going to have sex. In a straight club, the man and woman grind, and then she tells him "I have to work in the morning" and they both go home alone.

Why else would we need a website like "So Suave?" If American girls were like the girls from Bangkok, we'd be discussing different methods of the Kama Sutra, and the Tantric Arts, instead of Kino. American women have enough problems with you touching them, much less going to bed with you.
 

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Your an idiot

and that is why you and I at first feel shame to embrace our masculinity today, because today's masculinity has been tainted with generations of societal problems which were indeed caused by men.


You are ashamed because you are a spineless p*ssy who eats up that bleeding heart liberal PC CRAP.

Read my new post idiot. Read about Helen of Troy.
Women cause it.

Social problems caused by men?
 

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You're an Idoit

You criticize feminism while using the same reasoning. Bad things have happened. Men dominated women. Therefore men are bad. Good things have also happened. Do you give credit to men for these things? Or is anything that is good because of women? You’re so caught up on the environment that you can’t see that there is nothing wrong with it. If a man wants to make a company that makes him rich while providing services and products to people that want them and also providing employment to people that want jobs and paying taxes to the government, does that make him bad? Or is it just envy that you aren’t able to do it yourself?

Tell me something. When did individualism become a bad thing? Maybe it was when people figured out that it is the opposite of communism. Did you know that what is now called environmentalism used to be called conservation? It’s when all the socialist/communists took the environment as a front for the communist movement that the name changed. Conservation sounds too much like conservative for their tastes. They try to bring down the “evil corporations” by *****ing about phony pollution so that the socialists will have a shot at taking over the government. They use class envy to push that being successful is bad. No, better to be a couch surfer that volunteers at the soup kitchen so the junkies can continue their life style than to be a success. That must be the secret to getting great woman! Let us know how you do with the hot homeless/junky babes!
 
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