The official feminism thread [Merged threads]

[diablo]

Just a quick note that if this degenerates into a continuation of the bickering found on the other thread that it will be closed with no further warning. Thanks for understanding, continue!

By the way, this is Anything Else... not sure why it wasn't caught before.

 

[sexual_intellectual]

fair enough diablo

so does anyone think "female entitlement complex" means anything more than greediness in a woman?

 

[familyguyfan]

I'm by all means not saying that women shouldn't be allowed to work, but I think that if she has kids, it is her job to mother and care for them. I believe it is important for them to spend time with them, and not just send them to some sh*tty daycare so they can go work instead of spending time with them.

 

[undesputable]

I dont know what the image of man will be in 30 years from now...All this feminism going on and so many guys being metrosexuals, and becoming gay putting themselves at the level of women doesnt help. Women getting anything they want with their sex appeal, taking advantage and exploiting the hell out of our sex drive.... we got to return to the machismo ways. I dont have a problem with women wanting to be at the same level to men, but thats not all they want, they want to be superior which i think is completly ridiculous.

 

[ketostix]

Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
fair enough diablo

so does anyone think "female entitlement complex" means anything more than greediness in a woman?

I think greediness is the major motive behind it. It's also several other less than noble qualities women have that motivates their entitlement complex that I won't list. But I think feminism is as much about victimizing males as it is about benefiting females; It's mostly enforced and allowed by rich, old males.. I don't want to get to negative here, as I am really trying to look for the good in females.

A good read is a book called The Myth of Male Power by Warren Ferrel. It shatters all the myths and claims of feminism. He has another book also. Ferrel use to work for NOW until he relaized it was all about female greed run amok.

What irked me about Wyldfire comment that some males were whining and that makes them emasculate feminist, is that males are not whiners and they're not complaining for nothing. (If she reads this she'll probably come in here and start arguing in circles LOL)We're complaining about some dead serious BS we have to contend against...beyond just a game with tough/unfair rules that favor women, I'm talking about where things are based on a woman's caprice and their intangible and impoderable emotions. And if you don't play to that right you won't just be pvssyless you'll lose your means of livelihood... So DJ'ing is more than just picking up girls when women control commerce too. Alright I'll get off my soapbox.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by familyguyfan
I'm by all means not saying that women shouldn't be allowed to work, but I think that if she has kids, it is her job to mother and care for them. I believe it is important for them to spend time with them, and not just send them to some sh*tty daycare so they can go work instead of spending time with them.

Well, in a perfect world the Moms would always stay at home with the kids when they are little. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. Now, if my ex husband wants to actually pay child support like he's supposed to I could work less than I do. But he doesn't think he is supposed to help provide for the kiddos. Since I'm the sole support in our family...I have to work. I don't send my 4 year old to daycare, though...her older sister stays with her and she's never been watched by anyone other than family. If I had to pay for childcare I'd have to get a second job to afford it. And honestly, even in two income homes...sometimes both adults HAVE to work. Unless you're a parent you just have no idea how much money it takes to raise them. Unless the guy makes six figures, it's most likely both parents will have to work.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by ketostix
I think greediness is the major motive behind it. It's also several other less than noble qualities women have that motivates their entitlement complex that I won't list. But I think feminism is as much about victimizing males as it is about benefiting females; It's mostly enforced and allowed by rich, old males.. I don't want to get to negative here, as I am really trying to look for the good in females.

A good read is a book called The Myth of Male Power by Warren Ferrel. It shatters all the myths and claims of feminism. He has another book also. Ferrel use to work for NOW until he relaized it was all about female greed run amok.

What irked me about Wyldfire comment that some males were whining and that makes them emasculate feminist, is that males are not whiners and they're not complaining for nothing. (If she reads this she'll probably come in here and start arguing in circles LOL)We're complaining about some dead serious BS we have to contend against...beyond just a game with tough/unfair rules that favor women, I'm talking about where things are based on a woman's caprice and their intangible and impoderable emotions. And if you don't play to that right you won't just be pvssyless you'll lose your means of livelihood... So DJ'ing is more than just picking up girls when women control commerce too. Alright I'll get off my soapbox.

I encourage men to recognize and combat the effects of feminism...I just don't think behaving exactly like feminists is the way to do it. And keto...if someone uses feminist tactics to debate I'm going to call them on it...especially if it is a man complaining about feminism because he should know better. My whole point in the thread I started was that when anti-feminists resort to acting just like feminists they are just making matters worse, not better. No one takes radicals seriously...and the behavior I described in the thread I started qualifies as being radical. All that kind of behavior does is make people view anti-feminists as misogynistic lunatics. How does that help in combatting feminism? Simple...it doesn't.

 

[dietzcoi]

Ever notice that no matter what they say, radical feminists like Gloria Steinem always marry rich, successful men? They still follow the ancient ways of marrying the powerful man. So much for their feminist propaganda.. they act like every other woman and look for a male with money and power... but at home they probably dominate him.

I always wondered about the men who marry these women. I hear Jay Leno's wife is a die-hard feminist.. but I can imagine him being AFC at home. Who is Dianne Feinstein's husband, or any of the other female senators husbands I wonder? Never hear about them...

Just like Margeret Thatchers husband.... I wonder if it is really possible to be a DJ and have a powerful woman (feminist) as a wife. Can the two even be compatible?

Dietzcoi

 

[Don Juanabbe]

The modern Canadian woman is far worse than her American counterparts. Canadian society is soooo politically correc t that it provides the perfect breeding ground for ball breaking women and pathetic, emasculated males.

White Canadian women are pandered to no end by AFC males. It's gotten so bad that some women I have encountered will not go out with a strong man. Guys like me are to be avoided.

The female sense of entitlement goes hand in hand with their twisted feminist ideals and enables them to be superficial, greedy, b*tches.

This current crop of twenty somethings is the worst I've seen yet.

They all want the money, the nice things, and the only work they are prepared to do to get it is to spread her legs for the AFC man who will give it to her.

Pop Feminism has succeeded in making hors of all women. It's given them the 'right' to be as horish as she wants, with no regrets. Stir in a little Madonna and Britney Spears, Sex in the City and a man-bashing media and voila, you have your very own spoiled little brat.

 

[familyguyfan]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Well, in a perfect world the Moms would always stay at home with the kids when they are little. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. Now, if my ex husband wants to actually pay child support like he's supposed to I could work less than I do. But he doesn't think he is supposed to help provide for the kiddos. Since I'm the sole support in our family...I have to work. I don't send my 4 year old to daycare, though...her older sister stays with her and she's never been watched by anyone other than family. If I had to pay for childcare I'd have to get a second job to afford it. And honestly, even in two income homes...sometimes both adults HAVE to work. Unless you're a parent you just have no idea how much money it takes to raise them. Unless the guy makes six figures, it's most likely both parents will have to work.

Oh yeah, I'm not condemning it in that situation at all. Obviously if the mother has to work to support her kids I think she should. I'm just condemning the women that don't spend enough time with their children because they're overworking when they really don't need to.

 

[Luveno]

If people would suppress their desires to **** and use logic for once, the entitlement complex of the current female generation would be squashed. The only thing fueling it is guys buying into it and becoming the slaves of sexy women. Slaves in money, in career, in home, and in life.

The only way to win is to be impartial. Consider everyone a bag of guts that does things the right, honorable way, or the other way - the dispicable demanding entitled way. Then judge. Its all conditioning.

Sexual considerations should be kept separate. Basically, if there is a hot girl with a bad attitude trying to get things off of you, don't be an AFC. Instead, use her for sexual pleasure, and never give in to her demands. Her success in life will be based on merit, not how much cleavage she has, or that shes a girl.

Men and women have the same intellectual capability. Therefore, the pursuits of either should be based on merit alone, not entitlement or sexiness or gender.

The world would be a better place if people weren't a bunch of fools, and men a bunch of gullible suckers in particular.

 

[ketostix]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I encourage men to recognize and combat the effects of feminism...I just don't think behaving exactly like feminists is the way to do it. And keto...if someone uses feminist tactics to debate I'm going to call them on it...especially if it is a man complaining about feminism because he should know better. My whole point in the thread I started was that when anti-feminists resort to acting just like feminists they are just making matters worse, not better. No one takes radicals seriously...and the behavior I described in the thread I started qualifies as being radical. All that kind of behavior does is make people view anti-feminists as misogynistic lunatics. How does that help in combatting feminism? Simple...it doesn't.

Ever heard of the maxim, "fight fire with fire"? I really don't know what you're talking about men complaining about feminism using feminist tactics? You can only respond strongly to outrageous radical female views. I really don't see any viable example how else you propose to combat feminism other than "it's not so bad, keep quiet a deal with it, lest you're a misogynist". And as far as I can see you're the only one using feminist tactics with lines like "misogynistic lunatics". That's comes straight out of the feminist playbook. Again, you repeatedly claim you're anti-feminist, yet you label anti-feminist males women haters, when all they've done was mentioned just the tip of the iceburg of BS they're experiencing? Just how do you propose changing the status quo?

 

[ketostix]

Originally posted by Luveno
If people would suppress their desires to **** and use logic for once, the entitlement complex of the current female generation would be squashed. The only thing fueling it is guys buying into it and becoming the slaves of sexy women. Slaves in money, in career, in home, and in life.

The only way to win is to be impartial. Consider everyone a bag of guts that does things the right, honorable way, or the other way - the dispicable demanding entitled way. Then judge. Its all conditioning.

Sexual considerations should be kept separate. Basically, if there is a hot girl with a bad attitude trying to get things off of you, don't be an AFC. Instead, use her for sexual pleasure, and never give in to her demands. Her success in life will be based on merit, not how much cleavage she has, or that shes a girl.

Men and women have the same intellectual capability. Therefore, the pursuits of either should be based on merit alone, not entitlement or sexiness or gender.

The world would be a better place if people weren't a bunch of fools, and men a bunch of gullible suckers in particular.

I agree with this but the reason why men are AFC'ed is because the media, government and instutions are involved as well. Women are just using their natural sex appeal to get an advantage like they've done from the beginning. But when you throw in government and media propaganda, and literally 1000's of laws that prop up women and make it legal to discriminate against males, the result is this powershift and resulting society of AFC's. And a society where women have all the choice. I don't believe this is the natural order of things. It creates the popular belief that men have no real rights and are an easy target for anyone and everyone to take out their agression on.

I'm just identifying the problem here, that the society is programmed and brainwashed to hand power to women. That's why it is so dang hard for a lot of guys to obtain anything they want. I think the solution is an individual one that each guy has to obtain for himself and that goes to being a DJ to get around a system where the odds are stacked against him. But it is a lot of hard work (and it's not clear what even needs to be done) to get what you want from lazy, entitlement complex females. My belief is societal norms is fighting the natural order of things and what's native common sense, resulting in an uphill battle for good guys.

 

[undesputable]

Everyone should know that Don juanism is the way to defeat femenism.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by ketostix
Ever heard of the maxim, "fight fire with fire"? I really don't know what you're talking about men complaining about feminism using feminist tactics? You can only respond strongly to outrageous radical female views. I really don't see any viable example how else you propose to combat feminism other than "it's not so bad, keep quiet a deal with it, lest you're a misogynist". And as far as I can see you're the only one using feminist tactics with lines like "misogynistic lunatics". That's comes straight out of the feminist playbook. Again, you repeatedly claim you're anti-feminist, yet you label anti-feminist males women haters, when all they've done was mentioned just the tip of the iceburg of BS they're experiencing? Just how do you propose changing the status quo?

keto...when I first realized just how out of hand feminism had gotten I visited various forums on the subject. I saw the same routine play out time and time again. A man would start off calm and rational in his arguments on these forums and the feminists would use the exact same tactics against him that a certain forum member here kept trying to use on me a couple of days ago. You know exactly of what I speak, because I pointed it out. Anyway, the guy would get angrier and angrier and eventually get banned from the forum. Well, I started my own forum where I vowed to allow everyone to say their piece, mo matter how obnoxious or politically incorrect. It was busier than this forum, and extremely volatile. Amid the screeching back and forth between the members, I found that my way of addressing the issues were well received by BOTH sides. The result of that forum after a year was that those who initially despised each other and deemed the other side evil monsters had become friends. They were listening to each other's views calmly and rationally and even admitting where they were being unfair. Can you imagine radical feminists actually admitting that they were being unfair? I know a lot about this subject and how both sides react to the different issues. I've seen what does and doesn't work to improve the situation and relations between the most radical factions of the feminist and men's rights movement. Calm, rational and mature discussion works...trying to one up each other doesn't.

 

[Fenderules]

Originally posted by familyguyfan
I'm by all means not saying that women shouldn't be allowed to work, but I think that if she has kids, it is her job to mother and care for them. I believe it is important for them to spend time with them, and not just send them to some sh*tty daycare so they can go work instead of spending time with them.

i agree but the father is also entitled 2. I mean perhaps one of the reason why the male pussification is occuring is because the number of single mom. LOOK AT ME! lol. i did not have a dad in my life so my mom filled me with all this stuff. Up until a year ago, i was a complete wus. i was afraid of everything and anything....even being seen a shopping malls. Now i realize i never was pushed in that sense of "it sucks....but deal with it" what father do. Like instead of telling a teacher when your being bugged, punch the kid in the freaking face!. Sure it gets you in trouble but in the long run it does wonders cause your confidence is boosted ten fold.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Fenderules
i agree but the father is also entitled 2. I mean perhaps one of the reason why the male pussification is occuring is because the number of single mom. LOOK AT ME! lol. i did not have a dad in my life so my mom filled me with all this stuff. Up until a year ago, i was a complete wus. i was afraid of everything and anything....even being seen a shopping malls. Now i realize i never was pushed in that sense of "it sucks....but deal with it" what father do. Like instead of telling a teacher when your being bugged, punch the kid in the freaking face!. Sure it gets you in trouble but in the long run it does wonders cause your confidence is boosted ten fold.

I've gone to great lengths to teach my sons to resists the messages of feminism and to stand up for themselves in a rational way when necessary. Unfortunately, their father has some serious problems (Borderline Personality Disorder) and has been about useless as a parent. I've had to play both parental roles. It's not easy for one parent to do that, but it's not impossible.

 

[sexual_intellectual]

Originally posted by ketostix
I think greediness is the major motive behind it. It's also several other less than noble qualities women have that motivates their entitlement complex that I won't list. But I think feminism is as much about victimizing males as it is about benefiting females; It's mostly enforced and allowed by rich, old males.. I don't want to get to negative here, as I am really trying to look for the good in females.

A good read is a book called The Myth of Male Power by Warren Ferrel. It shatters all the myths and claims of feminism. He has another book also. Ferrel use to work for NOW until he relaized it was all about female greed run amok.

What irked me about Wyldfire comment that some males were whining and that makes them emasculate feminist, is that males are not whiners and they're not complaining for nothing. (If she reads this she'll probably come in here and start arguing in circles LOL)We're complaining about some dead serious BS we have to contend against...beyond just a game with tough/unfair rules that favor women, I'm talking about where things are based on a woman's caprice and their intangible and impoderable emotions. And if you don't play to that right you won't just be pvssyless you'll lose your means of livelihood... So DJ'ing is more than just picking up girls when women control commerce too. Alright I'll get off my soapbox.

I've got no problem bashing feminism - its a load of male hating trash. No one here is defending feminism.

However, I don't agree that the situation you described at the top of the post is feminism. Its just women using what they've got to get as much as they can.

 

[ketostix]

Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
However, I don't agree that the situation you described at the top of the post is feminism. Its just women using what they've got to get as much as they can.

Well you're right, but that's just exactly what feminism really is, women using what they got (and any tactic) to get as much as they can. Feminism, gender equality or any other label is just a pretext for that. Now, women deny they're feminist but if walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..But there's radical vocal feminism and I can see where you make a distinction.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by ketostix
Well you're right, but that's just exactly what feminism really is, women using what they got (and any tactic) to get as much as they can. Feminism, gender equality or any other label is just a pretext for that. Now, women deny they're feminist but if walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..But there's radical vocal feminism and I can see where you make a distinction.

No, you're not describing feminism...you're describing human beings who want the best life they can have and take advantage of their assets to reach their personal goals.

Feminism was originally about equality...which wasn't a bad thing at all. However, at some point feminism became about giving women an unfair advantage over men while discriminating against and blaming men, therefore making things much worse for men.