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"No women should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children," said feminist founder Simone de Beauvoir. "Women should not have that choice, because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one"Originally posted by Joe The Homophobe
Maybe you have shown them the wrong articles? just show them the articles on feminism
here are some good ones
Heterosexual Society is Under Siege
The conspiracy against heterosexuals
How I became a Mensch: After Feminism Stole my Identity
Time to Be Men Again
Thats some fvcked up shiat
Joe The Homophobe
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You know what I think? I think your friends have been brainwashed. Think about it, you and I and countless others know what Makow and many others say abou feminism is true. Your friends probably read the articles, it opened their mind a bit but because of all the years of brainwashing they just couldn't come out and just accept it, they had to find an excuse (the conspiracy theories) and they used that to dismiss everything!Originally posted by AverageFC
no no Joe, I showed them articles like you linked, however they go poking around the rest of his site, and label him a crackpot
It is not easy to accept that you have been duped. Show the articles to a woman and educate her about the evil that is feminism. It will open up her mind to the truth, but because of all the years of brainwashing and believing that feminism is a good thing they will have to find an excuse to not believe what you say. You just can't turn around years of brainwashing that fast.
Keep on fighting the good fight. Radical Feminism is a threat to society, and specially men. Most don't realize how big a threat.
Originally posted by Joe The Homophobe
You know what I think? I think your friends have been brainwashed. Think about it, you and I and countless others know what Makow and many others say abou feminism is true. Your friends probably read the articles, it opened their mind a bit but because of all the years of brainwashing they just couldn't come out and just accept it, they had to find an excuse (the conspiracy theories) and they used that to dismiss everything!
It is not easy to accept that you have been duped. Show the articles to a woman and educate her about the evil that is feminism. It will open up her mind to the truth, but because of all the years of brainwashing and believing that feminism is a good thing they will have to find an excuse to not believe what you say. You just can't turn around years of brainwashing that fast.
Keep on fighting the good fight. Radical Feminism is a threat to society, and specially men. Most don't realize how big a threat.
Well not even friends, just people in general. Theres an incredibly crappy "underground" paper online at my college. It's blog-style, so you can comment. The post was about sex, and someone commented about the greatness of Kinsey, and I was like man you are stupid. He was a damn pedophile, and linked the savethemales article. The person was like wow I didnt even realize and my eyes are really open now. Then they went on to say they doubted the guy cause they couldnt find anything else on it being false, so i had to point out to the dumbass(dont know if it was m or f) if he clicked the psychologists link in the article, he'd see more. Then this other poster(female, probably liberal) comes on saying makow is a crazy conspiracy theorists, and starts saying hes nuts for calling feminism satanism
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Long time Makow reader, here. To be honest I don't post his articles for anyone to see, though. I've read just about everything on his site though and I use a lot of his information when I argue to people about feminism.
Use his site as a good source to educate yourself, but don't spread the link to non-believers. They will read his "New World Order" stuff and immediately discredit him, which will also discredit your side of the argument if you're using his articles as a source.
Use his site as a good source to educate yourself, but don't spread the link to non-believers. They will read his "New World Order" stuff and immediately discredit him, which will also discredit your side of the argument if you're using his articles as a source.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
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A Canadian Male explaining what "Feminism" currently is
Most people are ignorant as to what feminist theory actually is. Feminist theory is the ethical belief that people should not be judged as inferior based on thier sex( quite ironic the thing is called Feminist theory and not gender equality theory).
The thing is, what women nowadays want, particularily women exposed to the media of the USA, is a complete power trip. Instead of opting for equality, they want to make men the inferior sex.
The first "feminist" movement had women burning their bras and declaring their retirement from the kitchens and bathrooms of their stale middle-class suburban homes. They would take up office as doctors, lawyers, engineers, CEOs just as the men have in the past. But of course, they take it a little too far and clump together with "girl power" mentality, and thus make life a living hell for all professional males, whether they are discriminatory against women or not. And don't even get me started on affirmative action...
So, the 30 somethingth women are now millionaires in their glass towers. However, their youthful looks have eluded them and the spark of their youth has been extinguished. In other words, they were too busy making money and being professional to get a man who was interested in them. When they finally have the free time, the current 30 year old men no longer find them attractive and thus date 20 year olds instead. This angers the professional woman. It seems they can either have success at getting a successful man or success at money, but not both?
But no, there is a way, and they've discovered it.
Most women of the current generation are not believers in equality. They are also not believers in hard work to make money for themselves. They have seen the rut their mothers are in, and are doing the most ingenious thing that they can do to make money and have tons of sex: use their sexuality to get good jobs AND get men who are in demand.
The female of today is smitten with an entitlement complex: basically, if they want it, they deserve it, because they're women. No other reason, just that. If they are not given it they will do whatever dastardly deed it takes to get what they want, and without regret too, because they should've been given what they wanted in the first place. They aren't at fault for anything - You are at fault for not being at their beck' and call.
That is why guys today are very critical of the North American woman. The media of the USA perpetuates the entitlement complex. The successful women on TV are all sexy, and use their sexiness to get things. Look at Paris Hilton - gets everything she wants for just 'being a girl'. Look at the candidates on the Apprentice 2. Look anywhere you want on TV. The current message is girls are entitled to anything they want provided they are sexy.
For instance, experiments have been done that show that a sexy demanding girl with a **** resume and answering in only yes/no answers will get a job or placement faster than an ugly girl with a good resume and well thought out answers.
So sexy women with attitude problems get the job, the $$$, and since they are sexy, the men as well.
This is the current state of "feminism" and guys don't like it.
P.S. I posted this in Wyldfire's original thread but realized it just turned into a her vs Don Joffe bickering match as usual. I will have no part in that.
Most people are ignorant as to what feminist theory actually is. Feminist theory is the ethical belief that people should not be judged as inferior based on thier sex( quite ironic the thing is called Feminist theory and not gender equality theory).
The thing is, what women nowadays want, particularily women exposed to the media of the USA, is a complete power trip. Instead of opting for equality, they want to make men the inferior sex.
The first "feminist" movement had women burning their bras and declaring their retirement from the kitchens and bathrooms of their stale middle-class suburban homes. They would take up office as doctors, lawyers, engineers, CEOs just as the men have in the past. But of course, they take it a little too far and clump together with "girl power" mentality, and thus make life a living hell for all professional males, whether they are discriminatory against women or not. And don't even get me started on affirmative action...
So, the 30 somethingth women are now millionaires in their glass towers. However, their youthful looks have eluded them and the spark of their youth has been extinguished. In other words, they were too busy making money and being professional to get a man who was interested in them. When they finally have the free time, the current 30 year old men no longer find them attractive and thus date 20 year olds instead. This angers the professional woman. It seems they can either have success at getting a successful man or success at money, but not both?
But no, there is a way, and they've discovered it.
Most women of the current generation are not believers in equality. They are also not believers in hard work to make money for themselves. They have seen the rut their mothers are in, and are doing the most ingenious thing that they can do to make money and have tons of sex: use their sexuality to get good jobs AND get men who are in demand.
The female of today is smitten with an entitlement complex: basically, if they want it, they deserve it, because they're women. No other reason, just that. If they are not given it they will do whatever dastardly deed it takes to get what they want, and without regret too, because they should've been given what they wanted in the first place. They aren't at fault for anything - You are at fault for not being at their beck' and call.
That is why guys today are very critical of the North American woman. The media of the USA perpetuates the entitlement complex. The successful women on TV are all sexy, and use their sexiness to get things. Look at Paris Hilton - gets everything she wants for just 'being a girl'. Look at the candidates on the Apprentice 2. Look anywhere you want on TV. The current message is girls are entitled to anything they want provided they are sexy.
For instance, experiments have been done that show that a sexy demanding girl with a **** resume and answering in only yes/no answers will get a job or placement faster than an ugly girl with a good resume and well thought out answers.
So sexy women with attitude problems get the job, the $$$, and since they are sexy, the men as well.
This is the current state of "feminism" and guys don't like it.
P.S. I posted this in Wyldfire's original thread but realized it just turned into a her vs Don Joffe bickering match as usual. I will have no part in that.
rgeere
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That absolutly right, but he have to remember that it goes both ways ... Men and women are guilty of the same sort of agression against each other, but in diffrent ways.
That is true, rgeere, but the onus is on men nowadays to accomodate for all the BS that women try to pull.
Another facet of the US media: very few commercials or TV shows have the man as the leader of the house, or even the couple as equals. Instead, its the big idiot man who has to depend on his wife/girlfriend to make decisions for him. Way to pander to the AFC, networks.
Things would be better for both parties if it was OK to call the opposite sex on any BS they try to pull. The crap that a guy can go through can cost him his life if he does this in today's society.
Another facet of the US media: very few commercials or TV shows have the man as the leader of the house, or even the couple as equals. Instead, its the big idiot man who has to depend on his wife/girlfriend to make decisions for him. Way to pander to the AFC, networks.
Things would be better for both parties if it was OK to call the opposite sex on any BS they try to pull. The crap that a guy can go through can cost him his life if he does this in today's society.
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gonna say this sh1t over and over again:
feminism = biggest female mind game eva.
oh yeh, if a girl is a feminist or says stuff like "women should be equal like men" she's a feminist. DUMP and look for other girls unless you want smoeone that wants to challenge you 24/7.
feminism = biggest female mind game eva.
oh yeh, if a girl is a feminist or says stuff like "women should be equal like men" she's a feminist. DUMP and look for other girls unless you want smoeone that wants to challenge you 24/7.
I would go as far as to say that its a mind game that men play on themselves. It's up to us to pander to the sexy demanding woman. If we all don't, then we win and maintain our dignity,and even out the playing field a bit.
AFCs perpetuate feminism, not women.
AFCs perpetuate feminism, not women.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
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rgeere
Master Don Juan
Or you guys can do what I am trying to do, weed out as many women as you can until you find a good one that doesn't try to BS and is generally honest.
The only problem is that means you must be generally good and honest yourself, and that can get you hurt if you don't know who to trust. It is a sad sick world we live in.
The only problem is that means you must be generally good and honest yourself, and that can get you hurt if you don't know who to trust. It is a sad sick world we live in.
The world is sad and sick. It stays that way if we keep buying into things like the female entitlement complex.
This is the general mindset of the current North American woman. It basically hunts down AFC shmucks and bleeds them for everything they're worth.
If there was ever a time to not be AFC, this is it, because the raptors are in flight.
This is the general mindset of the current North American woman. It basically hunts down AFC shmucks and bleeds them for everything they're worth.
If there was ever a time to not be AFC, this is it, because the raptors are in flight.
rgeere
Master Don Juan
I'm not so pessimistic. I think I am just as wary as the rest of you when it comes to bad women, but I have personally seen and witnessed some very good ones go off to other men. The only way I'm going to get that sort of happiness is to find reason to be happy, and that's not to sit around and whine about what bad women do.
I do not believe that my post constitutes pessimism. It is an accurate representation of today's society.
It would be entirely beneficial for people to realize what is wrong with the world, and to not fall into the trap.
It would be entirely beneficial for people to realize what is wrong with the world, and to not fall into the trap.
rgeere
Master Don Juan
I didn't mean to imply the post was pessimistic, I was saying that I know that there are still some good women left in the world, and I am not going to let the bad ones ruin my life. That's all I ment.Originally posted by Luveno
I do not believe that my post constitutes pessimism. It is an accurate representation of today's society.
It would be entirely beneficial for people to realize what is wrong with the world, and to not fall into the trap.
Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.
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sexual_intellectual
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Female Entitlement Complex in my opinion isn't the same as Feminism.
I think its just a new term for "greediness." A specific, female type of greed to be sure, but nothing new.
Hot women of the past have been able to exploit their beauty to "marry-up" the social ladder, today they flaunt it to climb the corporate ladder as well.
Love it or hate it - a major component of a woman's worth to a man is her physical appearance. Because of that, we overvalue hot women in the workplace. The way I see it, the ones who have most to complain about are ugly women - because despite their abilities, we're NEVER going to take them seriously!
Feminist theory has more cynical roots than that. Read some Woollestontoncraft (I KNOW I've spelt her name wrong!!) - 19th Century female thinker who is a founder of feminist thought. She basically attacked the idea that man and woman are essentially different. Women and men have different genitals - after that there's no real difference. (Her argument)
Modern feminism attacks men for being male. Read some Andrea Dworkin.
What you're calling feminism has a male equivalent that is just as prevalent. What you're calling feminism isn't particularly screwing up the planet - its been here for years and isn't going anywhere while we have testosterone and red blood.
Choose your enemies carefully!
I think its just a new term for "greediness." A specific, female type of greed to be sure, but nothing new.
Hot women of the past have been able to exploit their beauty to "marry-up" the social ladder, today they flaunt it to climb the corporate ladder as well.
Love it or hate it - a major component of a woman's worth to a man is her physical appearance. Because of that, we overvalue hot women in the workplace. The way I see it, the ones who have most to complain about are ugly women - because despite their abilities, we're NEVER going to take them seriously!
Feminist theory has more cynical roots than that. Read some Woollestontoncraft (I KNOW I've spelt her name wrong!!) - 19th Century female thinker who is a founder of feminist thought. She basically attacked the idea that man and woman are essentially different. Women and men have different genitals - after that there's no real difference. (Her argument)
Modern feminism attacks men for being male. Read some Andrea Dworkin.
What you're calling feminism has a male equivalent that is just as prevalent. What you're calling feminism isn't particularly screwing up the planet - its been here for years and isn't going anywhere while we have testosterone and red blood.
Choose your enemies carefully!
Andrea Dworkin is an idiot. Ever read "SCUM MANIFESTO"? Now THAT is some seriously f*cked up sh*t.Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
Female Entitlement Complex in my opinion isn't the same as Feminism.
I think its just a new term for "greediness." A specific, female type of greed to be sure, but nothing new.
Hot women of the past have been able to exploit their beauty to "marry-up" the social ladder, today they flaunt it to climb the corporate ladder as well.
Love it or hate it - a major component of a woman's worth to a man is her physical appearance. Because of that, we overvalue hot women in the workplace. The way I see it, the ones who have most to complain about are ugly women - because despite their abilities, we're NEVER going to take them seriously!
Feminist theory has more cynical roots than that. Read some Woollestontoncraft (I KNOW I've spelt her name wrong!!) - 19th Century female thinker who is a founder of feminist thought. She basically attacked the idea that man and woman are essentially different. Women and men have different genitals - after that there's no real difference. (Her argument)
Modern feminism attacks men for being male. Read some Andrea Dworkin.
What you're calling feminism has a male equivalent that is just as prevalent. What you're calling feminism isn't particularly screwing up the planet - its been here for years and isn't going anywhere while we have testosterone and red blood.
Choose your enemies carefully!
sexual_intellectual
Don Juan
Only read some quotes - enough to be sure that I will never buy anything that she writes. You're right - she is screwed up.Originally posted by Wyldfire
Andrea Dworkin is an idiot. Ever read "SCUM MANIFESTO"? Now THAT is some seriously f*cked up sh*t.
Dworkin didn't write SCUM MANIFESTO, that was that crazy biotch that shot Andy Warhol...her name is Valerie Solanas.Originally posted by sexual_intellectual
Only read some quotes - enough to be sure that I will never buy anything that she writes. You're right - she is screwed up.
sexual_intellectual
Don Juan
oh OK!
I've only read Heterophobia by Daphne Patai - it quotes both the scum manifesto and dworkin. Just got things mixed up!!
I've only read Heterophobia by Daphne Patai - it quotes both the scum manifesto and dworkin. Just got things mixed up!!
Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.
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