The *No Contact* Challenge! ( Read this if you just got dumped)

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Jariel said:
...and almost overnight I've sunk again.

I've been a bit unwell the last week and have been struggling with motivation, and sinking back into the depression. I've been dreaming of her a lot and I've just woke from another dream that's left me so low I'm nearly in tears. For fvcks sake, it's been 6 months and I still can't get her out of my mind! I still feel like she's part of my life and on some level, it's not registering that it's over.

I got on Tinder earlier and multiplied my prospects. I started texting this gorgeous girl who asked me on a date this week, which is definitely something to look forward to.

I didn't expect it to be this hard moving on. I know that nobody will replace my ex, or necessarily fill the emptiness she left behind. I need to be drawing happiness from my own life, and god how I've tried! At times it works, I get in the gym and it all goes away, throw myself into my work or focus on the present moment, and it all helps...for a while.

Perhaps there is something to be said of branch swinging. Maybe my best hope of moving on is to meet someone I'm really into.
WTF is this month? the month of dream of your ex? I had a dream about mine to haha. Woke up got a glass of water and went back to bed though. Jariel you need to think of her as gone for good and never coming back. I would tell myself she is probabially in bed with another guy right now to help inflict max pain and get it over with. It really helped desensitize and numb me early on. But props on keeping your time filled with productive things. One of the worst ways to deal with crap like this is to be unproductive. But keep your head up bud i know its a constant fight but hey i still fight it and im sure lots of these other guys are to. Hang in there man.
 

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I ran into my ex today, for the first time since I rejected her when she wanted to get back together with me. It was harder then I though it would be.

I didn't even know she was in town, so my heart skipped a beat and I got that feeling in my stomach like someone just punched me. I was in my car, so we didn't say hello. Don't think she noticed me either.

The thing is... I don't know if my reaction to seeing her was because I still have feelings for her, or because I was just reminded of all the **** she put me through. Broke up with me 3 times, and tried to get me back again. I refused, since I obviously can't trust her and just feel like she's playing me. Have been thinking a lot about my decision, but think I made the right one.
 

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Jariel said:
In short, this usually means she's been losing attraction for you and needs time to figure out how she feels.

Have you been weak, over accommodating or supplicating? Have you been complacent or stopped leading like a man? Have you been behaving emotionally or letting an insecure side of you show?

These are all things that will gradually stop a woman respecting you and when she stops respecting you, her attraction starts to fall.

This is your chance to show her a confident side of yourself and be a man. To do that you're going to have to take a leap of faith and show strength.

In a mature and calm way, explain to her you have been thinking and friendship doesn't work for you. Agree with her that it's a good idea to go your separate ways and wish her the best. Even add something like "I hope you find the right guy" or something. Be dignified.

This is one of the few things I did right with my break up. You see she's trying to withdraw at the moment and the more you try to pull her back, the further you will drive her away. But if you give her space and act like you're cool with everything, it shows a very confident and masculine side. It tells her "I'm going to be ok, with or without you" and then gives her time to miss you, experience the loss and recognise you could be gone from her life forever.

One of the biggest mistake guys make during break ups is feeling the need to take action. They figure out why their relationship is failing, then start to think of all the ways they can demonstrate they've got their confidence and masculinity back. It's quite ridiculous when you think about it. But the best way to demonstrate this confidence is by doing nothing at all and acting unfazed.

Once you've explained that friendship doesn't work and you're best calling it a day, then go into strict no contact. Delete all social media, delete her number and prepare for yourself for one of the hardest times of your life.

It took my ex 2 months to get back in touch. I realise now I could've possibly got her back at this point if I played it right, but I totally blew it and revealed all my calmness and confidence in walking away was just a lie.

Hang in there mate and keep checking into this thread. Read old posts here as there's a lot of valuable insights and help to be found in this thread.
Thanks for the reply Jariel.
I have a question a mutual friend told me that she told her that she still wants to be with me but she has her guard up. She think I should keep in contact with her if I want her back or she will get over me. What do you think? I feel like the more I reach out to her the further she gets. I'm on my fourth day of not contacting her, but wake up and go to sleep with the thought of her. Do you suggest staying no contact?
 

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Thanks for the reply Jariel.
I have a question a mutual friend told me that she told her that she still wants to be with me but she has her guard up. She think I should keep in contact with her if I want her back or she will get over me. What do you think? I feel like the more I reach out to her the further she gets. I'm on my fourth day of not contacting her, but wake up and go to sleep with the thought of her. Do you suggest staying no contact?
NOOO! This is the biggest mistake people make when going through a break up, especially guys. They act on this sense of urgency, as if she's going to forget them or move one, so they try to be there and force things to stop that from happening.

What this actually does (as most of us here have learned) is that it gives her the confidence to move on. It allows her to explore her options, while keeping you around as a safety net and it also allows her to keep you in her life so she never gets to experience losing you.

Trust me, she will not forget you. It's been 6 months since my ex and I broke up and I still think about her every day. I still think of my ex from 4 years ago and I've had ex girlfriends get back in touch and want to try again after 1, 2 and 8 years!

When my ex and I broke up, she behaved like she didn't care at all. But after 2 months of no contact, it turned out she'd been heartbroken and missing me the whole time.

But yes, girls do have their guards up. My ex wouldn't try again with me because she felt it couldn't work and she would just be setting herself up to be hurt again. I tried so hard to reassure her, but by doing this I drove her away.
 

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Jariel said:
NOOO! This is the biggest mistake people make when going through a break up, especially guys. They act on this sense of urgency, as if she's going to forget them or move one, so they try to be there and force things to stop that from happening.

What this actually does (as most of us here have learned) is that it gives her the confidence to move on. It allows her to explore her options, while keeping you around as a safety net and it also allows her to keep you in her life so she never gets to experience losing you.

Trust me, she will not forget you. It's been 6 months since my ex and I broke up and I still think about her every day. I still think of my ex from 4 years ago and I've had ex girlfriends get back in touch and want to try again after 1, 2 and 8 years!

When my ex and I broke up, she behaved like she didn't care at all. But after 2 months of no contact, it turned out she'd been heartbroken and missing me the whole time.

But yes, girls do have their guards up. My ex wouldn't try again with me because she felt it couldn't work and she would just be setting herself up to be hurt again. I tried so hard to reassure her, but by doing this I drove her away.
Jariel I appreciate your advice and it sounds like you really know what you're talking about. So after 60 days of no contact what should I do if I still love her how do I make it work?
 

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Also she contacted me today after 5 days on NC asking if I wanted to go to church with her do you suggest staying NC? I do love her and I want to be with her.
 

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LBMan said:
Jariel I appreciate your advice and it sounds like you really know what you're talking about. So after 60 days of no contact what should I do if I still love her how do I make it work?
Unfortunately I learned what I know the hard way. I did a lot of things right, but a lot of things very wrong and I just hope I can save other guys from repeating my mistakes.

I think 60 days is relative to be honest. The best time for you to make contact again is when you've overcome your neediness and dependence on her. After a break up you see everything with a very clouded judgement and all you can think of is getting her back to make the pain go away. But when you give it time and gain perspective, you start to truly see the whole picture, what went wrong, why she broke up with you and how you changed. Most guys will realise that towards the end of the relationship they had changed so much they were not the same man their girlfriend fell in love with.

As for going to church with your ex, I strongly suggest you avoid it. As I said, if she's got you tagging along whenever she demands, she can continue to take you for granted and you will have no value to her. A golden rule to remember is that people value what they cannot have. Another thing about being available to her is that you show a lack of self respect and confidence - two traits that are essential for a woman to find you attractive.

Another problem is that if you see your ex any time soon, she's just going to see the same guy she's losing attraction for. Except you're actually going to be even more needy and downtrodden now she's finished with you. Every time she sees you, it'll just remind her why she's better off moving on.

However, if you take time out to yourself, work on getting back your confidence and independence. Work on improving yourself. Get in the gym, study seduction and become the best you've ever been, then in a couple of months you can meet up with her and she'll see a more attractive version of you and be reminded of the man she fell for.
 

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Going To Court For Contact With My Child !

For anyone who has followed my story well I am taking my ex to court for lack of contact with our daughter and because she is trying to get me done for harassment my solicitor has advised me to have no contact with my ex until after the court hearing.

Anyway I am going to ask for overnight stays with my daughter my ex is going to try to argue that because I live in shared accommodation she does not want my daughter to be around strangers. I have prepared some questions that I want to ask the defense at the close of the final hearing I just wondered what you guys think?

"Is it true that Contact is being denied so you can have control"

"What are your problems with the room our daughter will sleep in"

"Is it true that you invited a total stranger into your house with our daughter present within a fortnight of the separation"

"Would you be willing to discuss parenting matters such as routines"

"Why do you have an issue with our daughter seeing my family"

"Why has it taken Court to resolve this issue of Contact"

"Why have you been so defiant to fight until the end, to not give me anything more than a few hours of contact"

"I sent our daughter a letter on 20 Feb 2014 and attached some family photos, Did you read the letter to our daughter and did you show her the photos"

"Do you think it is in our daughters best interests to spend as much time with both parents as possible"
 

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Jariel said:
Unfortunately I learned what I know the hard way. I did a lot of things right, but a lot of things very wrong and I just hope I can save other guys from repeating my mistakes.

I think 60 days is relative to be honest. The best time for you to make contact again is when you've overcome your neediness and dependence on her. After a break up you see everything with a very clouded judgement and all you can think of is getting her back to make the pain go away. But when you give it time and gain perspective, you start to truly see the whole picture, what went wrong, why she broke up with you and how you changed. Most guys will realise that towards the end of the relationship they had changed so much they were not the same man their girlfriend fell in love with.

As for going to church with your ex, I strongly suggest you avoid it. As I said, if she's got you tagging along whenever she demands, she can continue to take you for granted and you will have no value to her. A golden rule to remember is that people value what they cannot have. Another thing about being available to her is that you show a lack of self respect and confidence - two traits that are essential for a woman to find you attractive.

Another problem is that if you see your ex any time soon, she's just going to see the same guy she's losing attraction for. Except you're actually going to be even more needy and downtrodden now she's finished with you. Every time she sees you, it'll just remind her why she's better off moving on.

However, if you take time out to yourself, work on getting back your confidence and independence. Work on improving yourself. Get in the gym, study seduction and become the best you've ever been, then in a couple of months you can meet up with her and she'll see a more attractive version of you and be reminded of the man she fell for.

Jariel thank you for the inspiration it has helped me a lot. Even though it's hard not to contact her specially since she contacted me I know that she needs to value me and know that I'm willing and ready to move on. Thanks again Jariel for giving me hope and strength.
 

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Starting the No Contact challenge today guys.

Was with the girl for 3 years, i went from fvcking Brad Pitt status in my area/school, to no self-respect because i turned weak and jealous in the relationship. She's back with my brother now.

This is hard. Very fvcking hard but i hope you guys can help me through it.
 

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A couple of questions for all you guys in this thread that might help all the new visitors...

Knowing what you know now, how would you have handled your break up differently?

What mistakes do you wish you never made?



Here's what I would've done differently and what I'll do if I ever find myself in the same position in future:

* When noticing her interest dropping, I would back off and give her more space and become unavailable. I'd go do my own thing more and try to regain my independence and my love of life.

When it comes to a dying interest, the best action you can take is inaction. Ironically, the less you try to raise her interest, the more effective it will be. The more you try to control or save your relationship, the more you drive her away.

* When she dropped the bombshell and told me she wanted to take a break, I would've given no reaction. No argument, no attempt to convince her and definitely no attempt to pre-emptively break up with her (which is what I did).

I would basically agree with her and suggest that it's a good idea to take a bit of time to ourselves, then I would go and hit the gym, socialise, flirt with women and do whatever I could to improve myself.

* After the break up, I would not attempt to play games and not try to get the upper hand. I would simply wish her the best, say it was good to know her, but agree that it was time to go our separate ways.

This is one thing I almost did right...and it worked to my advantage!

* I would then go no contact with the aim of it being permanent (another thing I did right, which worked to my advantage).

* When she made contact after 2 months revealing how much she loved and missed me, I reciprocated her feelings and said I'd been missing her too. But if I could do it differently, I would handle this much cooler and hide all my feelings. Just let her know it's good to hear from her and ask if she wanted to meet and catch up.

* When she backed off again, I started to chase and we got into a big argument (my last contact with her). But if I could change this, I would simply stop responding to her as soon as she backed off and then resume no contact.

* Overall, the biggest mistake I made happened long before we broke up. I changed for her. I became too accommodating, too needy and dependent and too soft. She told me she wanted me to take a bigger role in her family life, help out more and spend more time with her, but when I was less available, helped out less and showed a hint of selfishness, this is when she was most into me!

Hopefully we can all recognise our mistakes now and learn from them in future.
 

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Yo guys. My EX sent me this. What do you think?


"One thing, you broke up with me specifically for talking to one of your mates. I understand that. But for you to inbox Gaby and ask if she shows me any of your posts is wrong. Do you actually know how much it's ****ing hurting to say goodbye to you? Do you even feel the pain?You understand that in order to get over you I can't keep slyly looking at your posts on other peoples Facebooks..

I can't keep checking up on you, because I won't get over you otherwise. I haven't done that in a LONG LONG time. I'm not interested in looking at your stuff; because I'M the one that's going to get hurt by doing so. I ****ing understand you were NEVER interested in me, and didn't really loved me - whatever. But hey, I still tell you now, that I love you more than what you'll ever know and you can't even appreciate it. You say you've changed, you want me to be happy, enjoy life because this is only a preview, ****ing bull****. You don't care about me whatsoever, WHATSOEVER.

You want me to die, you want to enjoy me suffer. But hey, if you asked me back out, I'd drop everything. I never did this for me, I purely did it for you; because I thought you ****ing loved me, and actually wanted to move away with me. EtcMy question(s) to you is, why do you care? Why do you not want me to look to at your posts? - because you know you never loved and me don't want me to find out, because it'll 'break me heart' I'M ****ING DYING.


YOU DON'T GIVE **** ABOUT ME AND MY FEELINGS. YOU LOVE TO SEE ME IN THIS EXCRUCIATING PAIN.Lol I will always ****ing love you, and continue to think of you everyday, but I don't need you, nor someone like you anymore. I've given you too much, and that's given you a horrible excuse to play the **** out of me.

I'm glad you're expressing yourself to other girls. Especially my friend, *name*. She's ****ing great.Thanks for breaking my heart that little bit more, I'll end up dying because of you. Don't feel bad, it's hat you wanted remember. Don't reply."
 

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Hi all. I joined this forum specifically to post in this thread. I wasn't in a relationship, but decided to end a long friendship with a girl who was obviously having fun taking advantage of me.

I start my challenge today.
 

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I broke NC with her lastnight after i had to tell her to leave my brother alone.

She is ****ing with is head, and dragging him down into a depression now after me.

I did leave a short but brief message again telling her to never contact me again, she then threatened suicide so i called her friend and told her to go check up on her. Her friend said she found a rope with a noose tied in her room so i asked her to take a picture of it and it "conveniently" went missing. lol

****ing women do my head in.
 

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so......she is fvckin with your brother as well........

you 2 need to get rid of this nutter asap..................she threatened to kill her self...............that's a shame....................sounds like another attention seeking princess...............who loves trying to manipulate .

true bytch like behaviour............eject eject eject.

stay strong guys and do the right thing........otherwise you will both end up looking stupid and pathetic..................ask yourselves one question.......is that really how you want to look................I think not....

good luck fellas
 

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Cautionary tale!

Jariel said:
I think 60 days is relative to be honest. The best time for you to make contact again is when you've overcome your neediness and dependence on her. After a break up you see everything with a very clouded judgement and all you can think of is getting her back to make the pain go away. But when you give it time and gain perspective, you start to truly see the whole picture, what went wrong, why she broke up with you and how you changed. Most guys will realise that towards the end of the relationship they had changed so much they were not the same man their girlfriend fell in love with.

A CAUTIONARY TALE FOR ALL MY BROTHERS


On the morning of the 58th day of no contact t I woke up in a hotel room with a naked girl after an epic night out. A bit hung-over but still in a great mood. We get up, check out of the hotel and then go grab lunch before my flight back to my home city. The girl I was with was exactly one year younger than my ex gf, but sweet, speaks multiple languages, has a good job. A nice girl with a bit of a horny side and a hot gym shaped body. Objectively, in spite of her good qualities I have to say she is not quite as hot as my ex.

Looking back on my mood that morning I have to admit that part of this stemmed from the fact that my ex had been sending me emails and text messages over the last few days. No words, just pictures of herself. A few days earlier I had started using an old phone that still had a chat application installed where the ex and I were friends. She must have seen that I was back to using this application and sent a couple of pictures through the app. I ignored these messages.

Why didn’t I uninstall the app when I turned my old phone on? I was feeling ****y, like I was already over her. The app was on my phone when I was finally alone in the taxi and I started looking at her pictures on my phone on the way to the airport.

In line to get my boarding pass...i texted her.


She responded immediately. A short conversation ensued. She expressed how painful the breakup had been for her, denied cheating on me and said the reason why we broke up was because I was selfish and using her for sex. I didn’t really engage deeply with her during this exchange, just mentioned that it was painful when I found out about the other guy and that I had a lot of positive things going on in my life and need to move on.

I break off the conversation to board my flight. Reach home and start trying to force myself to get some work done before the next day. I noticed during my 58 days of no contact that my ex gf was a huge escape for me. Whenever I was feeling overwhelmed at work or procrastinating I would sms and flirt with her to take my mind of my problems. Around 11:00pm that night, from my home, feeling tired and frustrated with work. I send her another message. She responds 3 hours later. She tells me that she is a different girl now than when we were dating and that she is going backpacking the next day in cambodia. Her messages have this unconcerned carefree excitable tone of a young woman looking forward to her next adventure. Just killing some time on social media before her next chic adventure. The tone of her text completely freaks me out..I try to call her. She doesn’t pick up. I go to bed morose and despondent. Deeply disappointed in her responses to me.

I then wake up and early in the morning send a stream of the worst possible lovesick texts. I love you, I am dying, and yes even "do you still love me". A couple hours later a cheery noncommittal sms from her as she is on the way to the train station. I cry.

This was a few days ago, as you might anticipate , there are no incoming messages from her while she is on her trip. I find myself in a pretty bad emotional place regretting breaking no contact. I know enough about women to recognize when one has moved on. My ex has moved on.

We all start no contact with the idea of getting her back. Hit the gym a little harder, try to get some plates spinning but we do this with one eye on her. We think if we just maintain it a little longer she will crack and come crying back. If she contacts us we think to ourselves "ahhh she is beginning to crack". Looking forward to this glorious day we she comes crying back to us, we cheerfully talk to other girls, go party with our friends and pat ourselves on the back for being so strong. My instant reversion to AFC after a few texts with her illustrates that no contact with the intent of getting her back is the worse kind of bullsh*t self delusion and a complete waste of time.

So...what is the lesson learned here?

I think every man on this board lives with a gap between what kind of man he is today and the man he could be if he realized his greatest potential. The hard daily work of being a man is the diligent effort required to slowly close this gap as we go through life. Some of us turn to drugs, diversions, drink or other escapes so we can stop dealing with this gap. In short, we stop growing. A beautiful woman comes into your life and adores you, the force of her devotion can even make you forget about that gap for awhile. " If she loves me like this there cant be anything wrong with me!". We stop developing, she senses it, loses attraction, leaves. What she fell in love with is your potential, she wanted to fvck the ultimate version of you. She is loyal and devoted to the best version of you. If you continue your struggle to be the best version of yourseIf; your actions, your demeanor, your personality all continue to remind her of that awesome dude you can be and she stays loyal to you. I f you stop working to close this gap, she starts to forget your ideal version and as this vision fades, the weaker version of yourself she sees everyday doesn’t excite and attract her anymore.

I am not sure women have this same gap and I don’t think their life is quite the same struggle. They are designed to attach themselves to you and your struggle and perhaps later, the struggle of her children. If you stop struggling you stop being a man in her eyes. I think the younger and hotter a girl is the more finely attuned her senses are in detecting a guy that relaxes a bit too much when she comes into his life.

What I have realized is that my ex is not going to give me what I want but she will definitely give me what I need. I love her deeply for this. She is going to force me, by hurting me, to make some positive changes to my life.

AS I look back on my 58 days of no contact I can see that I was trying to party and fvck my way out of the pain of the breakup. The pain of the breakup is not because she was the best woman in the world or even the best woman for me. The pain of the breakup is from a younger hottie calling your bluff, in effect telling you " hey..you fooled me for a while but your not really the man I thought you were". As you can you can tell from this disastrous text exchange, she is probably right. Your breakup is reminder to you that you need to keep developing and growing.

My next actions...now day one of no contact:

1) I probably need to grieve a bit about losing her. I never really did that
2) I need to man the fvck up, deal with things in my life that need fixing that I have been avoiding facing.
3) I realized that some of the incessant thoughts about your ex stem from a deeply held fixation on getting her back. I am going to resolve to really get over her, for GOOD. If I can close off the possibility of reconciliation perhaps I can get my mind to quiet a bit.


I read something a few days ago that I think is good:

"The pain you are feeling is also trying to teach you something. The pain is not only about your ex, it’s also about an accumulation of many factors over the course of your life. Things like:
· Where you are at in your life in relation to where you want it to be.
· The beliefs and ideals you have about love, women and relationships.
· The self image you have of yourself.
· Unconscious patterns of thinking you have built up over your life.
· Cultural and family programming you had growing up.

People in general don’t stop to think about these things most of the time. They are just controlled by these influences behind the scenes and they don’t realize it.
As excruciating as this break up might be for you, this is the time when these things will become more apparent to you.
So not only is this breakup an opportunity for you to rise up and overcome a real challenge, but it is also a chance for you to stop and see things about yourself that you may have not noticed before."

My forth resolution is in regards to this pain. I need to live in this pain for a bit and use it has a motivator to make positive changes in my life. My ex is in all likelihood fvcking backpackers and loving her life right now. I'm writing an overly long post on a pickup board trying not to think about her doing this. Pretty pitiful place I find myself in today :). My only consolation is that pain like this has to have sort of transformative power.




Thanks for listening.

Day 3
 

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I broke NC in an attempt to make amends with her after only 2 days. She hasn't responded to any of my text yet and I doubt she will. Sometimes I think this isn't a matter of NC for us guys, but more a matter of simply getting over someone forever.
 

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Day 08

So far the NC rule has proven effective since my ex has texted 3 times and called me one time and it has only been 8 days. I've ignored her completely and I feel like the ball is in my court. This is from a girl who would make me wait for responses bail on plans. I'm sure she misses me now it's getting easier staying no contact, but I'm uncertain how to play it from here. Do I just pop up back in her life later or do I make her want us to get back by acting uninterested about her?
 

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The best way to get someone's attention is to remove yours (if there is still attraction) and it's working!

Can the reason why you split be fixed? (sometimes we can be a little silly) if not getting back together probably won't last.

Ultimately it's about what YOU want...

Good luck!
 

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Day 2

Posting here to keep track of my progress. Right now it hurts a lot, and I do miss her, yet I keep reminding myself of the reasons why we broke up. It just sucks because she was a completely different person when we first met and I remember how quickly we fell in love, etc.

I haven't taken many steps yet to try and get out there and do things now, I mostly just drank yesterday and distracted myself with TV shows which works okay I guess.

I still can't help but think that maybe this was a mistake, and that she was the one for me, but I'll power on through.
 
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