The Jedi Bootcamp Journal.

[Luke Skywalker]

Sorry bro, I'm gonna be a **** too.

Over the past however many months on SS, let's review what you have learned:

How to say Hi, how are you.
how to give out business cards.

That was implemented yesterday. You have to approach first and that's the point. Fvck, if a girl likes me, well, the business card approach or 'hi how are you?' certainly breaks the ice doesn't it? Fact is, even if a girl really liked me and I couldn't approach her, not even with a business card, then that's a problem. Now I have a minimal approach standard.

How to bore a woman on a date.
How to overthink ever little thing.

That's a problem I'm coming in SS with, not something I've learend.

Again, more example of sh1t. Any type of movement or progress is meet with destructive feedback. This is getting toxic.

its pretty pitiful and aggravating to see a guy ask for help, an entire community gives him incredible help, and he doesn't use it,

Advise that is reasonable, and relevant to this bootcamp in progress can only be listened too. Maybe mASF is more my thing. Moving out is not advise - that's a value - however, what type of chicks to attack, and how to approach them and go 'around' this situation and still score the babes, that's advise.

I've already seen people on mASF who are in the similar situation as I am who are scoring more babes than successful people.

I've bumped up posts on this thread to show what advise is relevant and implementable here.

 

[skip2mylou781]

i seriously think that its all an avalanche effect aka a snowball effect that makes every part of u undesirable to women

doesnt look good -> leads to -> not confident or laid back WHATSOEVER -> leads to -> putting ***** on a pedestal and taking classes in college just to be around girls who u think ur in love with even tho they dont even like u, which affects ur grades and ****s up ur career -> leads to -> not enough money, so ur living with parents -> leads to -> less confidence, more creepy behavior -> leads to -> girls turned off by u even MORE than before, cuz now u come off as weird/creepy every time u talk to them -> leads to -> overloading ur head with too many sosuave techniques which u dont even FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE (kino isnt grabbing asses dumbazz!) -> leads to -> 30 year old virgin

 

[skip2mylou781]

the only possible way i see of reversing this, is to take everything in that chain, and COMPLETELY CHANGE IT 180 DEGREES....by that i mean BECOME GOOD LOOKING (aka gym like i said, and style, hair, clothes), GET AN EDUCATION/GOOD JOB, MOVE OUT FROM PARENTS, CONFIDENCE WILL COME AUTOMATICALLY AS LOOKS AND CAREER IMPROVE, cut down on the sosuave techniques, cuz they are not meant to be psychoanalyzed like ur doing and ****ing them up completely.

lemme break down a few of my favorite sosuave techniques that i kno for a FACT apply very well to girls, and i will break them down for u showing u how to NOT psychoanalyze them:

Gunwitch Method - u CANT use this - u never had sex b4, u absolutely cant use this, this is only for guys whove had sex and the whole point of the technique is to BRING URSELF BACK TO UR SEXUAL STATE AT THE EXACT MOMENT THAT U WERE ABOUT TO PUT UR **** INTO HER *****.....doesnt apply to u.............but wat u CAN take out of this is 1)make sexual eye contact (sexual, NOT creepy), 2)isolate chicks whenever u can, cuz in isolation, a kiss can lead to sex, but without isolation, it CANT

kino - its SUBTLE touching aka u make it look like its NOT on purpose........the BEST kind of kino is "play fighting" where u basically u tease the girl bout somethin and tap her, its hard to explain but u get wat i mean

THE FOLLOWING IS MY ****ED UP ADVICE TO U THAT WILL HELP U DO BETTER WITH CHICKS:

get ur ass DRUNK.......its truth syrup, u wont worry bout shyt anymore and ull do and say w/e u want, thus coming off more natural and more fearless, i think someone like YOU deff needs a drink

 

[Luke Skywalker]

[BOOTCAMP ADHERANTS: Apc23 or whoever else is on this.

KEEP ON WITH ALL YOUR INDIVIDUAL BOOTCAMP GOALS.

DONT LET ANY DISTRACTIONS ON THIS THREAD GIVE YOU AN SENCE OF ANARCHY AND GIVE YOU AN EXCUSE TO SLACK OFF. THE LAW IS STILL IN EFFECT. YOU HAVE YOUR BOOTCAMP OBJECTIVES TO DO.

YOU WILL CONTINUE WITH YOUR INTERACTIONS TODAY - MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK TO WOMEN - YOU ASK THEM 'HOW THEY ARE DOING? HOW IS THEIR DAY? AND CONTINUE PRACTISING WTIH A SMILE, AND MORE RELAXED POSTURE EACH TIME -- DO NOT FOCUS ON CONVO YET, JUST RELAXED BODY LANGUAGE, LET THEM TALK IF ANYTHING ----> BACK TO STATIONS.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

the only possible way i see of reversing this, is to take everything in that chain, and COMPLETELY CHANGE IT 180 DEGREES....by that i mean BECOME GOOD LOOKING (aka gym like i said, and style, hair, clothes),

Yup.

GET AN EDUCATION/GOOD JOB,

Already have a good job - giving it another kick in the can. Giving out business cards and other cold marketing techniques are now being seriously implemented thanks to bootcamp.

Need money to go to school to get education - do not qualify for loan or assistance. Most efficient way is to be succesful in current carrer.

MOVE OUT FROM PARENTS,

Here we go again.

CONFIDENCE WILL COME AUTOMATICALLY AS LOOKS AND CAREER IMPROVE,

Ok, so I fix up the looks a bit. My career may improve by giving out business cards as my face is going out more, and I'm introducing myself as a salesperson to people in public and possibly getting comfortable with approaching, thus leading to more approach confidence and less approach anxiety. So, the back to front logic is already working on this bootcamp.

cut down on the sosuave techniques, cuz they are not meant to be psychoanalyzed like ur doing and ****ing them up completely.

What techniques? I''m appraoching any woman I like and saying "HI, how are you? and DHVing them by giving them a card -- "I"m a hot shot Realtor".

lemme break down a few of my favorite sosuave techniques that i kno for a FACT apply very well to girls, and i will break them down for u showing u how to NOT psychoanalyze them:

Gunwitch Method - u CANT use this - u never had sex b4, u absolutely cant use this, this is only for guys whove had sex and the whole point of the technique is to BRING URSELF BACK TO UR SEXUAL STATE AT THE EXACT MOMENT THAT U WERE ABOUT TO PUT UR **** INTO HER *****.....doesnt apply to u.............but wat u CAN take out of this is 1)make sexual eye contact (sexual, NOT creepy), 2)isolate chicks whenever u can, cuz in isolation, a kiss can lead to sex, but without isolation, it CANT

kino - its SUBTLE touching aka u make it look like its NOT on purpose........the BEST kind of kino is "play fighting" where u basically u tease the girl bout somethin and tap her, its hard to explain but u get wat i mean

Yup, I understand all of that, but I'm only on week 1 or week 2 of this bootcamp. I can even expand the weeks. So, I have lots of slack. Basic openers should suffice for this part of the bootcamp, and perhaps the odd contact closes if I feel like it if I get another DDBL or 2 IOI's.

THE FOLLOWING IS MY ****ED UP ADVICE TO U THAT WILL HELP U DO BETTER WITH CHICKS:

get ur ass DRUNK.......its truth syrup, u wont worry bout shyt anymore and ull do and say w/e u want, thus coming off more natural and more fearless, i think someone like YOU deff needs a drink

I can remove inhibitions if I willfully want to, and dont need to get drunk to do so. This bootcamp is proof of that.

Ok, I never got drunk before, ok, I dont know, suppose I go out and really do something crazy. Not a safe idea.

 

[skip2mylou781]

please re-read my advice again - u dont need to "fix up ur looks a little bit"..........u need to fix them up ALOT, u need to fix everything ALOT, as it stands rite now, theres no reason any chick whos an HB4+ would ever go for u......so if u want the good looking ones, u need to be GOOD urself

 

[Luke Skywalker]

You cant change looks overnight skip, it's a gradual process - little by little adds up to allot. Nothing adds up to nothing.
That's what I meant when I said a little - I meant on a day to day basis.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

To all bootcamp adherents:

We are working to incorporate our job or careers into the game to get comfortable talking with strangers. We now have jobs or careers that tie our living up into befriending and talking to random strangers.

This is good.

Now for our yonger bootcamp members - here's an idea - you are going to have a self-employed side tutoring business, where you will charge a reasonable fee per hour to tutor your students, and start handing the cards out. I did this before, and made $ 20.00/hr tutoring students. (although I faxed ads too schools).

Also, I've found that student jobs like telemarketing, get you to meet allot of nice chicks. I've tried it before, and all I can say is I had opportunities on one of the telemarketing jigs, or meet a friend there, I recommend telemarketing anyday as a way to meet women.

So, I"m guiding everyone away from hanging out at malls to say 'hi' randomly, and into jobs, careers, fields where it will ALSO make money at the same time so at least you know you are making money or have a chance to make money at the same time.

Also, a brainstorm I made is to sell beauty products and give out cards about that. Women like to buy beauty products, so they'll be interested in what you are going to sell them - can be a good neg-rap too.

Alright --- if anyone has constructive ideas about business it will be beneficial to this bootcamp. To be good at business, you need the looks, so that's a given. Now, next step is the right business goals that will have you on the field.

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Other ideas - being paid to conduct surveys to random people?

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[Desdinova]

Anger rests in the bosom of fools.

Horse5hit. Anger is a natural human emotion. Keeping anger bottled up inside is for fools.

Oh, so this makes my bootcamps less valid?

This isn't a bootcamp. It's, at best, an approach journal.

I know I wasn't going to post anymore in this thread, but I'm going to let you know where I'm coming from. I've been on this site for five years, first as a student, now I'm wanting to give back to others who, like me, came here as clueless men. I've seen newbies progress from AFC to SSer to PUA to DJ. I've seen many AFCs who don't progress leave this site because they can't take constructive criticism and "tough love".

But of all the people I've seen come through this site, you've made the least progress of all of them. Tell me you DIDN'T make an excuse to avoid pursuing this woman further:

Anyway, found out she was living with her brother so I had to eject, after all, I'm looking for women who are living by themselves,

You are your own worst enemy. There is NO REASON IN THE WORLD to reject a woman who lives with her brother. That makes you a goddam hypocrite. Also, it's not your living situation that will prevent you from landing a date, it's YOUR ATTITUDE toward your living situation. Women don't want a man who has to rely on his parents for security, they want a man who is secure with himself. I know this for fact because I landed dates and got laid while I lived with my parents.

When you're a 30 year old virgin, you can't be picky when choosing women to date. At least not in the beginning. Experience is your greatest teacher, and you keep throwing it all away hoping to be a goddam professional by the time you find a woman who meets your high standards.

It's time you got off your high horse because by the time you meet a woman who truly meets your high standards, you're going to lack the skills to attract her and date her. The people you're modeling and getting advice from had to date MANY women to become masters in the field. To be like them, you're gonna have to follow in their footsteps and date many women before you can just pick and choose which ones you want.

Now I'm done.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Post withdrawn.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Horse5hit. Anger is a natural human emotion. Keeping anger bottled up inside is for fools.

Anger belongs to a Sith, not a Jedi. Jedi practitioners cant be angry when learnig the skills of being a good Jedi.

This isn't a bootcamp. It's, at best, an approach journal.

Bootcamps involve approach. Contact-closes.

I know I wasn't going to post anymore in this thread, but I'm going to let you know where I'm coming from. I've been on this site for five years, first as a student, now I'm wanting to give back to others who, like me, came here as clueless men. I've seen newbies progress from AFC to SSer to PUA to DJ. I've seen many AFCs who don't progress leave this site because they can't take constructive criticism and "tough love".

But of all the people I've seen come through this site, you've made the least progress of all of them.

Well, then I'm going to be a poster boy if I become a PUA then.

Tell me you DIDN'T make an excuse to avoid pursuing this woman further:

That was based on something I read from mASF, called ejecting when finding out a living situation. But, you know what, dating is cool. It seemed stupid not to pursue a DDBL look - moronic even, I concede to that.

You are your own worst enemy. There is NO REASON IN THE WORLD to reject a woman who lives with her brother. That makes you a goddam hypocrite.

Noted. Bootcamp concepts will not allow to reject women on living situation anymore. This particular DDBL woman may be sought out at walmart at a future time, and if she's still intersted I'll ask her out. I like her enough to go out with her anyway even if she's 10 years older or more than me.

Also, it's not your living situation that will prevent you from landing a date, it's YOUR ATTITUDE toward your living situation.

Attitude towards my living situation?

Women don't want a man who has to rely on his parents for security, they want a man who is secure with himself.

What are you saying by this? Are we talking about financial security or some other type of security?

I know this for fact because I landed dates and got laid while I lived with my parents.

See, I knew it. You can live with your parents, date and get laid.

Where did you get laid at, the other girls house I bet -- did she live with her parents, what was her living situation?

When you're a 30 year old virgin, you can't be picky when choosing women to date. At least not in the beginning. Experience is your greatest teacher, and you keep throwing it all away hoping to be a goddam professional by the time you find a woman who meets your high standards.

For purposes of bootcamp I'm keeping standards lower to up the experience factor.

It's time you got off your high horse because by the time you meet a woman who truly meets your high standards, you're going to lack the skills to attract her and date her. The people you're modeling and getting advice from had to date MANY women to become masters in the field. To be like them, you're gonna have to follow in their footsteps and date many women before you can just pick and choose which ones you want.

Now I'm done.

You should have said this last night. See this is good advice because it's related to the bootcamp and relevant. NEVER REJECT A WOMAN WHO GIVES YOU A DDBL IOI -- never.

 

[donjuanapprentice01]

I have to agree with desidenova.

If you reject a girl becuase she lives with her brother, then surely, you must expect to get rejected by girls because you live with your parents. It's a two way street Luke.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I have to agree with desidenova.

If you reject a girl becuase she lives with her brother, then surely, you must expect to get rejected by girls because you live with your parents. It's a two way street Luke.

I didn't say "I reject you" to any girl, I do not reject girls, I just dont pursue them any further. For example, I may 'fail to try to number close them.'.
So the solution: EVERYONE who gives a DDBL or a clear IOI signal - regardless of living situation, as long as the 'looks' are there, will be number closed. Bootcamps - require number closes anyway. Pursuing the number close should be where the choice is at. Failing to number close is not an option because it subtracts from choice should I want to puruse her the following day, like, um, today. Unless the girl's so ugly you are repulsed she should be number closed esp. if there is chemistry. Fair enough.

Look, I feel stupid rejecting a girl with a DDBL on her face, I was actually stunned to do anything further. That's one of the highest ego boosts I've got this year. I just give a business card, she stops on her tracts, and gives this DDBL look and was prepared to talk, and I'm like wow.

So, automatic close attempts will be made more often than not unless I'm not attracted at all.

 

[pooparu]

STOP THINKING SO DAMN MUCH.

I have never in my life seen someone over analyze every little damn thing. If you go to a boxing coach do you question every damn thing that he tells you to do!? Do you not realize that you saying that certain **** is too dangerous or won't work without EVER experiencing them is like a blind man saying that he thinks ***** looks ugly, how the **** would he know!?

Why do you think the ****ing Jedi got their asses beat for however many years? Because they were ***** AFCs that wouldn't be affected by their damn emotions, I see I'll have to speak to you on a plane of your understanding, which is pretty ****ing pathetic to have to say seeing as how you have FOURTEEN YEARS OF EXPERIENCE on me.

The attitude towards your living situation would be acceptable, IF YOU WERE MAKING PLANS TO CHANGE. Before Desi responds (if he does), I can guarantee you the difference between his living situation and yours was that he was looking at it as a transitional phase, he was actively working to get AWAY from his parents, not looking for excuses to STAY there. It's not just living there, don't you get it? Almost everything in life communicates something differently than the content presented, in this case, if you say to a woman "I live with my parentS", it says all the wrong things. If you say, "Well right now I'm with my parents till my next house is ready for me", and if she asks well where are you looking be honest and say, "I'm not quite sure, I'm looking for ....) you should at least have a damn IDEA of what type of house/apartment you live in. The point is you shuold be SEEKING independence, not running from it. Do you know how ****ing stoked I am to be going to college (hopefully at UCSC or UCSB, which I will get into because I will push myself, berkley and LA are to boring for me)? Its another REALM of life, I'm free to be my own man, I have responsibility thats going to pressure me to adapt quickly and focus and learn to balance my life out, and I look FORWARD to this, not to run away and hide in my parents basement.

Thinking about DHVing etc, is a TECHNIQUE. Do you really think people run around (well most) saying, "He has lower value, I need to DHV to maintain my position over him", its INSTINCTUAL, and you are blocking your instincts with thought.


Don't gimme htat BS that I'm giving you destructive feedback after all that **** i typed up and everyone else did. I don't want your appreciation, I'm just trying to help you succeed, whether you say thanks or not I could give a **** less. Its not destructive feedback, its the TRUTH. WHAT YOU ARE DOING ISN'T WORKING. You really do need to get drunk or something man (by the way getting drunk is perfectly acceptable in the bible, "Wine maketh the heart glad" they just say not to take it in excess), it's not going to do what you think it is, just take a trip to your local bar and just drink a few cold ones man, or you could just use God's green gift .

I have the pill to your illness, you just won't take it. I'll offer it again:

The success you have always wanted can be attained doing this ONE thing.

Ready?

I want you to forget all that you think is right or wrong, forget all of that, and stop thinking about everything you do, stop analyzing, just walk outside, and let your emotions guide you. That's it. When you feel an emotion, ACT ON IT, just don't go murder or rape anyone.

I guarantee you you will be successful. Trust me, you own't need lines, nothing, just walk out and let your emotions take control.

Now, for some reading that you should be doing (instead of all that mystery and David D ****), since you want to read:

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/link.php?postID=31745&postTitle=Brazilian_Blues_Boy+-+Happy

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/link.php?postID=59150&postTitle=Pook+-+Fifteen+Lessons

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/link.php?postID=16903&postTitle=Pook+-+Be+a+Man!

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/link.php?postID=27775&postTitle=VIVAlasVEGASBaby+-+The+Traps+of+Life

That one is VITAL that you read that one.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14536

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14792

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33611

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33279

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/search.php?searchid=151782

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29815

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19061

I suggest you read all of those if you are going to spend time reading.

And after that, find the rest of BBB's post and read them.

Right now you are cold, apprehensive and partially bitter from failure. Stop this. As BBB would say, start to see things in a beautiful way .

 

[skip2mylou781]

ALL OTHER SHYT PUT ASIDE,

doesnt everyone here think that, given how Luke looks, hes probly a 2/10 at best cuz hes scrawny, has bad hair, has no fashion sense (im only assuming these things), that him approaching even HB5s will nto work cuz wtf those HB5s can just get guys who r HB5s too, so basically him looking much worse than the girls hes approaching is AUTOMATICALLY killkign any chances he has of not only getting laid, but actually getting "IOI"s and kissing

i assume he doesnt want to date any fat ugly beasts, and thats all he could get currently.......so i seriously say he takes A YEAR off from even tryin to get with girls, and focus that year on

a)workin out and bulking up/or at least toning himself, gettin some abs would prob b easiest for him and girls love abs
b)doin anythin and everythin to make $$
c)take that $$, and spend it on GOOD clothing, GOOD hair, ect

LIVING WITH PARENTS

im 21, i live with my parents, not a big deal.....they let girls sleep over and i just **** them in my room, they dont care.........i dont see how luke's parents would care either, its not like they are AGAINST it are they?

i tell girls im outta college for 1 year now and live with my parents, they dont give a ****...why? i dunno, maybe cuz i dress well, look good, and fvck their brains out even better

the whole living with parents thing - NOT as big of a deal as LOOKS and $$

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

Well I don't necessarily think Luke needs to take a year off going for girls, that's like asking somebody to not masturbate, it just won't work.

You're right, he does need to work out, maybe get muscles, and maybe getting money, but I've seen UGLY guys who are DIRT POOR get hot girls, this doesn't happen often but its possible. I'm not saying he's ugly or poor, but I think you are over-estimating the power of looks/money.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Got IOI's from FUG at gym but failed to contact-close.

I'm trying to get this into my head, number close every girl that is giving clear IOI's, at least attempt to do so.

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Here's a recap - today's sarging at the gym.

Primary objective: Work-out routine.
Secondary objective: Approach people, in particulary women, give out business cards.

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APPROACH RESULT

1) UG(Black) - sat next to her on
cycle tried to say hi, are you new to
the gym? Ignored.

2) Two HB(ethnic) in room. Both had
ipods on. Said, Hi, are you both related? Ignored.

**** MORAL CRUSHED - 3 REJECTIONS IN A ROW - FELT INVISIBLE.

- A HB(Black) appeared to notice me, but I didn't bother approaching.
ipods on.

3) Said hi to a guy who said hi back just to try and talk to anyone.

4) UGM(BLACK)
<UGM means Ugly Mother> Receptive.
Gave her a business card, but she
bought a house already.

5) HB with ipods.
Asked her how to put the 'heart rythm'
on the machine, and sounded serious, I said
excuse me.

Got her to take the ipods off with the
'serious tone of approach', but she put
them back on shortly after anwering
question.




5) FUG + MG
(MG means Muslim Girl - covered all up) Receptive - IOI's on FUG.

Failed to contact close on FUG, she asked me she'll see me later in the gym, and I was like "yeah, sure," I waved at her before leaving and she said that to me, and obvious IOI.

Properly, I should have said, "Great, BTW, do you have email?" Failed to say this. Was in car when thought of it, but I just drove off. My own interest level was too low, but realise that I should have done so anyway, but confused whether to make a deal out of it and go back inside gym to do this.
Didn't have enough 'interest' to jump through hoopes to number close on someone that I may flake.

However, for purposes of bootcamp, it should have been done in a proper case to get used to number closes, or even going back. Better to practise on someone you dont care about to be ready for the real thing.

I should have gone back into the gym and said, BTW, I forgot to ask you, XYZ, do you have email or a number so I can reach you if I'm back in the gym?' Do not leave the building without a number, even if you flake later, just do it - after all, this is bootcamp -

There are two modes: Practise mode and Run mode.
Practise mode is for practising. Today is practise mode, a FUG gives IOI's, then close, Practise on her.

Run mode - is when you have someone you are hot and horney or romanticallly all over - the practise mode helps put things in perspective:

A HB10 is not different from a FUG, or a UGM, they are all in the same women, opposite sex, only one looks different than the other. Practisign on FUG and UGM helps keep that in perpsective, that if talking to a HB10, or HB of any kind or MILF of any kind, they are not different than the other two categories.

Judgements on looks should not be made especially as a newbie, and an error in judgement has occurred. Flaking is favoured over failing to number close for purposes of bootcamp until 50 numbers are collected on file.

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[IsiMan84]

Allright, I don't know about anybody else, but I've had enough. Time to let off some steam.



Luke, not only has it been a complete waste of your time, but it's been a complete waste of everyone else's time. You've recieved some fantastic advice from many people, and even Nine Breaker came out of the woodwork to help you. Yet, you've gone nowhere.

Now, in case you haven't read it, THIS is the Don Juan Bootcamp outline:



Now then, I have to ask, WHAT THE FVCK ARE YOU DOING?

I now understand why you're 30 years old, a virgin, single, and living with your parents. You have no clue what you want to do with yourself. You keep running around in circles, trying to please all of us, possibly even to humour us, and you have no fvcking clue what it is YOU want to do. Your life has no purpose of its own and no direction. You haven't budged from the place you grew up in. You've been living under a rock for the past 30 years. That's a long time to waste in momma's nest.

You've been making excuses for yourself NOT to move out from your parents place, NOT to get a better job, NOT to go out in public alone, NOT to get a girlfriend, and NOT to get laid. Until you quit feeding yourself bull5hit, you're not going to get anywhere.

Anyway, I'm going to leave you running in circles in your threads. I can't stand to read anymore of your 5hit.

Am I the only one who wondered how this thread got past 2 posts?

Like I said in some other thread, hearing any analysis or discovery from Luke is like going to a priest for dating advice.


Luke, seriously...what the hell is your problem? I've gotten girls just going out and standing on the street corner. One girl I barely even talked to and ended up getting with her that night. And I am no DJ in the sense of the word. But one thing that did help was having a sack and using it. I didn't cower in the presence of a decent looking girl, and I never viewed talking to them as a big deal, unless I spent the first 18 years of my life in a bubble being home-schooled. I had done nothing with girls up until I was 20 and decided I had to do something about it. I found the DJ Bible, and basically the next day I was out using my new information. That took all of 24 hours.

Seeing as you have 500 odd posts and none of them are short by any means, I can only conclude that you spend about 20 minutes in the field per week and 10 hours on the computer...per day. Do you mean to tell me that you've been on this site for 4 months and the most you've done is had a conversation with a woman? If you make no progress in 4 months you won't make progress in 4 years. You've read the DJ Bible and about everything else this site has to offer. At this point I think the best thing for you to do is to leave here, force yourself to stay away from the computer and meet people, and not come back until you've made progress worth mentioning. The amount you've accomplished so far could be reached within a half hour by most people.

You can keep calling us haters and bringers of negativity, but as you will soon learn your excuses and rationalization match up to those of a woman. A woman will rationalize for why she does things or why something she did was right. A man does things because he wants to or because he doesn't want to. So you have two choices: do something or don't do something. If you do something about it, great. If you don't do something about it, then don't waste our time or yours either. Since you are all about that Star Wars Jedi crap, Yoda once said:

"Do or do not. There is no try."

Right now you're just a whole lot of "do not." If we (the helpful people) aren't catering to your excuses of why you haven't accomplished anything, how do you expect a woman to do the same? How many women do you expect to go home with the pússy biting his nails in the corner? I'm spending more time helping you right now than anybody should at this point.

4 freaking months!

Let me put it to you this way. You are 30 years old. If you don't take some serious initiatve you will die of old age before you accomplish what most do by the end of their teenage years or early 20's. Ask yourself this, "what do I want to accomplish in life?" If your answer is that you truly want to get a woman or be successful in life then you're lying to yourself. You still live with your parents; have you made an attempt to move? Even thought about moving? Do your parents question this at all? Are you content with your current situation? I graduated college 3 months ago and my parents are already on my áss about finding jobs or going somewhere.

I've got a lot more on my mind but I'm going to stop here and let you ponder what needs to be done. Maybe the answer's not on this site. Maybe it's somewhere else. I'm out.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Am I the only one who wondered how this thread got past 2 posts?

Like I said in some other thread, hearing any analysis or discovery from Luke is like going to a priest for dating advice.


Luke, seriously...what the hell is your problem?

Oh great, here comes another one. Maybe you are the problem.

I've gotten girls just going out and standing on the street corner. One girl I barely even talked to and ended up getting with her that night. And I am no DJ in the sense of the word.

Congratulations - why did you come on this board if you are so good with women?

But one thing that did help was having a sack and using it. I didn't cower in the presence of a decent looking girl, and I never viewed talking to them as a big deal, unless I spent the first 18 years of my life in a bubble being home-schooled. I had done nothing with girls up until I was 20 and decided I had to do something about it. I found the DJ Bible, and basically the next day I was out using my new information. That took all of 24 hours.

Good for you. You have some gall to be bragging about your successes on a thread like this, boy you really have a life, is that what keeps you going?

Seeing as you have 500 odd posts and none of them are short by any means, I can only conclude that you spend about 20 minutes in the field per week and 10 hours on the computer...per day.

That is not true. I spend hours on the field every day.

Do you mean to tell me that you've been on this site for 4 months and the most you've done is had a conversation with a woman? If you make no progress in 4 months you won't make progress in 4 years.

No. This bootcamp was in progress for just under a week, not four months.
The reason for the bootcamp is to improve on offline approaches, convos, stuff like that, and it's working..

You've read the DJ Bible and about everything else this site has to offer. At this point I think the best thing for you to do is to leave here, force yourself to stay away from the computer and meet people, and not come back until you've made progress worth mentioning.

That's EXACTLY what I'm doing. Like I said, hours have been spent on the field yesterday, and today.

The amount you've accomplished so far could be reached within a half hour by most people.

No, bootcamps are usually for a few weeks, not for half an hour.

If you have a half hour bootcamp thread, post it here, I'd like to see that bootcamp.

You can keep calling us haters and bringers of negativity, but as you will soon learn your excuses and rationalization match up to those of a woman. A woman will rationalize for why she does things or why something she did was right. A man does things because he wants to or because he doesn't want to. So you have two choices: do something or don't do something. If you do something about it, great. If you don't do something about it, then don't waste our time or yours either. Since you are all about that Star Wars Jedi crap, Yoda once said:

"Do or do not. There is no try."

What post on this thread are you referring to? I'm doing approaches, and have got my share of rejections on the most recent post. End of story. Mission accomplished.

People like you are not bringing in constructive advise to the current situations at hand or what's being post. All the crap you talked about is how you have an easy time with woman, and bragging about it here, so, you are trying to help me?

Oh that's great, so people read this thread and think, gee, their lives with women is not as bad as mine. Well, the difference between you and me is that I have a real struggle, and I'm doing something about it bit by bit, and will make the most progress than anyone who has ever set foot in this board since it's inception, because I'll be going from point zero to the sky. So, if you started in the clouds, and went to the sky, good for you, but I dont see that you had a struggle or challenge, and therefore am not impressed.

This bootcamp is about fighting, about challenge, and that's exactly what I'm doing on the daily posts. Something new is tried every day, a new approach or something else. What is your big struggle, nothing, always easy sailing, you are a joke.

Right now you're just a whole lot of "do not." If we (the helpful people) aren't catering to your excuses of why you haven't accomplished anything, how do you expect a woman to do the same? How many women do you expect to go home with the pússy biting his nails in the corner? I'm spending more time helping you right now than anybody should at this point.

You can see from my latest report that I got ignored a few times on approaches, so, you see, not everyone has it easy with women. I have done lots of approaches yesterday and today.

4 freaking months!

Let me put it to you this way. You are 30 years old. If you don't take some serious initiatve you will die of old age before you accomplish what most do by the end of their teenage years or early 20's. Ask yourself this, "what do I want to accomplish in life?" If your answer is that you truly want to get a woman or be successful in life then you're lying to yourself. You still live with your parents; have you made an attempt to move? Even thought about moving? Do your parents question this at all? Are you content with your current situation? I graduated college 3 months ago and my parents are already on my áss about finding jobs or going somewhere.

Here we go again with the living with parents jazz. Living situation doesn't make a difference in attracting, approaching or talking to girls, which is the focus of this bootcamp.

The fact is, if you have an easy time with women, then it doesn't matter where you are living, i on the other hand, have challenges that are being dealt with here. If you are so good with women, and are giving advice on such a consdescending manner, then you can shove it.

This is a bootcamp about real progress - if anyone wants to make a constructive comment, then it will be in direct relation to the approaches/closes that are therein.

This is a bootcamp of progressive change - all people can say is to stop approaching women, or women dont like me because I'm fvcked up -- great advice -- I'm going to continue with this bootcamp.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Fight The Power!!!

That's right, we've got to FIGHT THE POWER!!!

Next time I get rejected or ignored by a woman -- she is going to get it.

FIGHT THE POWER !!!

That's right - we are going to neg-rap her so good that she'll be crying.

FIGHT THE POWER !!!

If someone ignores or rejects me, I'll bump into them, get their attention to tell them something, and there is going to be some real fvcking action on this thread.

This bootcamp is about a fight --- now, let's fight these fvckign stuck up women b1tches with some good neg-raps. Starting tommorow, the new fighting mode will be on with some rejections.

All rejections or ignores will accompany some sort of comment or action that will give it back to them, like 'Look at you, xyz", or someone with ipods or something will be approached with 'Hey girl, what's up --- turn that music off' and then follow with a neg-rap.

Let's see how this works tommorow. Time to fight some b1tches.

Point is making an impact. A negative impact or a positive impacts are both impacts. This may be the focus on a few future approaches.