The Jedi Bootcamp Journal.

[rrrrr]

That's right, we've got to FIGHT THE POWER!!!

Next time I get rejected or ignored by a woman -- she is going to get it.

FIGHT THE POWER !!!

That's right - we are going to neg-rap her so good that she'll be crying.

FIGHT THE POWER !!!

If someone ignores or rejects me, I'll bump into them, get their attention to tell them something, and there is going to be some real fvcking action on this thread.

This bootcamp is about a fight --- now, let's fight these fvckign stuck up women b1tches with some good neg-raps. Starting tommorow, the new fighting mode will be on with some rejections.

All rejections or ignores will accompany some sort of comment or action that will give it back to them, like 'Look at you, xyz", or someone with ipods or something will be approached with 'Hey girl, what's up --- turn that music off' and then follow with a neg-rap.

Let's see how this works tommorow. Time to fight some b1tches.

Point is making an impact. A negative impact or a positive impacts are both impacts. This may be the focus on a few future approaches.

Luke, I disagree with all the people on this board... YOU HAVE MADE PROGRESS. However you have brought this up before... I would not insult a woman who rejects you. It won't help your case.

 

[BingoBango]

i also disagree with most of the ppl on this board.

Ur doin well man, keep it up!

Cheers

 

[Quiksilver]

You've definitely made progress. Don't listen to all the people on here shouting in your ear. They're just telling you how it all should work for most people. I'll try to give you afew words of advice as well:

1. Keep moving forward at your own pace, but never stop moving forward! you should be seeing changes in the way you interact with people, week to week.

2. No pain, no gain. You need to keep challenging yourself. Whenever you feel that you can do an approach easily under the limitations you've set; expand them. Push yourself that extra mile in each conversation. Conversation skills are just like muscles. If you're trying to get buff in the gym, lifting the same amount of weight each time won't get you there. You have to keep adding on the extra weight; the extra challenge. Without a need to grow bigger and stronger, your muscles won't develop and grow. Conversation is the same, push yourself a little bit further each conversation, and your skills will develop.

3. Don't approach with business cards. Period. It teaches basic communication skills, but you come off as creepy if you act sexual while giving out business info. Also you are only tricking yourself and being sneaky as to your true purpose. Every approach should come from a genuine desire to meet/get to know the person

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On a positive note:

1. Everything you're learning in this bootcamp of yours will benefit not only your comfort around talking to women, it'll also have a positive effect on your career and the way customers percieve you(which is gargantuan in RE). They will both support eachother, as you grow.

2. You joined a gym. nuff said.

3. You saw a problem, and you're trying to fix it, who cares what some dorks on a forum say.

*****

remember..

no pain...........no gain

*****

On a side note...Fill this in for me about yourself(and be honest with yourself)

What have I improved upon since starting the bootcamp?
1.
2.
3.

What have I improved upon this week?
1.
2.
3.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

3. Don't approach with business cards. Period. It teaches basic communication skills, but you come off as creepy if you act sexual while giving out business info. Also you are only tricking yourself and being sneaky as to your true purpose. Every approach should come from a genuine desire to meet/get to know the person

Honestly, I've been getting some very good instant rapport established with the business cards. People think I'm a random stranger when I approach them, but when I give out a card, then I've already established a credibile identity and establish trust which is very important on street or cold approaches. A woman will feel more comfortable they 'know' I'm a Real-Estate agent. It also established 'authority' that they dont have - which could be an 'attraction trigger' as I'm a person of some authority. Also I think it has an effect sort of like 'social-proof', because my ID is sort of validated. I think the businss card is a DHV prop strategy.

Let me give you some examples of this on Tuedsay's bootcamp and yesterday:

- I mentioned a woman working at walmart gave a DDBL look the instant I gave my business card out, and she stopped in her tracks virtually ready for convo.

- People are generally pleasantly suprised to learn that I am in Real-Estate, and they seem to feel more at least or trusting after a card is given out.

- At the gym, I was talking alright to someone, but when I gave my card, they are like 'oh, you are into RE".

The pupose of the 'giving out business cards to total strangers' is two fold:

a) It establishes instant rapport
b) It DHV's you - because REALTORS are usually associated with richness.
At least you dont look like a bum or something. You just have to talk up the business.
c) It provides a fall-back if you are stuck and feel shaky about approach.
(i.e. I go up to a random stranger, Hi, how are you?, or 'Excuse me."
If I get stuck after the opener - just give out a business card.)

Finally, as I said before, the cards are c0ckblock-proof, which is very important especially if I'm with my parents, and in particularly my mother.
If you approach a girl who has a boyfriend, or husband or group, you are just soliciting for business - the approach can always be converted into a pick-up by simply doing a contact close if there is a DDBL, or IOI's.



Unless it's in a church, my mom (when I'm out with her) wouldn't like me going up to random stranger women and talking to them - but if it's under the premise of business cards, she'll encourage it and give me space. Even if I did not give out any cards, using that as an excuse to shut-my mom off is a good anti-c0ckblocking strategy.

The benefits of giving out cards far outweigh any disadvantage for now. It seems to work best with lonly older women - who also is the main focus by the way of this bootcamp - as far as yonger girls in the twenties it has yet to be tried out. I'm thinking of having two sets of business cards - Real-Estate cards for older women, and tutoring cards for yonger looking women. As a convo or social proof prop - I think it builds automatic rapport or trust.

On a side note...Fill this in for me about yourself(and be honest with yourself)

What have I improved upon since starting the bootcamp?

1. Approaches are being made and are now more fluid.
2. Able to go in a woman's clothing store by myself.
3. Do not feel funny looking at women or establishing EC with them.

What have I improved upon this week?
1. Cold-approach strategy: Instant rapport - business cards. Anti-c0ckblock.
2. Do not give up if initial approaches c&b, try harder on rest of targets.
3. Gym approaches are finally organized and are being done, no longer haphazard EC messes.
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[Desdinova]

Okay, so I'm never gonna be done.

1) UG(Black) - sat next to her on
cycle tried to say hi, are you new to
the gym? Ignored.

2) Two HB(ethnic) in room. Both had
ipods on. Said, Hi, are you both related? Ignored.

I can almost see what's happening here. Luke, I know your confidence with women is 5hit. I can sense it in your FRs. Here's a small tip:

Speak enthusiastically to these women. Act like you're the happiest fvcking guy in the world that you've encountered another human being to chat with. If you talk in a monotone voice like you're reading a grocery list, they will either ignore you, or hope that you go away. When you speak enthusiastically, people take notice and respond. And don't forget to smile

As for giving Luke hell, I have commended Luke for making progress in the past. Although he's getting approaches down, he's got a long way to go, and it seems as if he's hit a brick wall with closing.

And Luke, I had sex in both my parents house and the female's house. I'd do it wherever it was convenient including the back of the car.

 

[pooparu]

Unless it's in a church, my mom (when I'm out with her) wouldn't like me going up to random stranger women and talking to them - but if it's under the premise of business cards, she'll encourage it and give me space. Even if I did not give out any cards, using that as an excuse to shut-my mom off is a good anti-c0ckblocking strategy.

THIS IS WHY YOU NEEED ****ING INDEPENDENCE.

I'm sure you don't find it strange, but my GRANDMOTHER, tries to hook me up with girls, and these girls are ****ing hot. Does your mother not want you to be married? She shouldn't be choosing your wives YOU SHOULD.

You don't get it man, there are all tpye of psychological implications from not gaining your own independence, but you have it so engrained in your mind that its ok for all of this to happen, that you choose to ignore the words of people that may be more experienced than you.

Here we go again with the living with parents jazz. Living situation doesn't make a difference in attracting, approaching or talking to girls, which is the focus of this bootcamp.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THIS? Maybe not in approaching, but it will come out in other ways, like when you want to get intimate, like when she wants to find out about your life, like when she wants to see what your passions in life are and you say, "Well right now I'm not doing well in Real Estate, but I'm giving it another kick in the can". And THATS IT. Where are your passions, your fun? Go out and sky dive, go hiking, go DO SOMETHING WITH YOURSELF. You aren't doing anything but sitting at home, and "real estate".

Luke, you have been up here for months, and the progress you have made is learning how to say hi, have maybe a 4 minute conversation, maybe get a phone number once every three months, and thats it. And its not because you are a failure, its because you don't wanna take advice from anyone else, you think you can do this alone and that everyone else is just trying to make you look like a fool. Stop out of your comfort zone, stop being such a pansy, its been like four months, and you've learned the art of having a few conversations WOOPIDY dOO!

Now do you really want to succeed? Then take the advice of people like skip, desi. Work out, look your best, but in the meantime, do something MORE. Get a passion for life, find something YOU want to do, stop letting your parents dictate your actions, this is why people are saying ot get more indpendent. Because you don't have a life man, PERIOD. I'm sure you will say you're life is very fulfilling (kinda reminds me of 40 year old virgin, except even he had his own crib), but in all honesty you are missing out. Not having your own car, not being indepedent, not taking risks, not doing all the things you could be. And until you start doing this, life is not going to be fulfilling. If I knew you in real life I would have to ***** smack you and take you out to experience the world, there's more than just your house and job and learning how to sarge. I'm telling you, just go out and live life, and you will find meeting wpmen doing things you want to alot more fun. You must learn the value of indepdence, until then, nothing can save you.

What you have been doing isn't getting you anywhere to q uickly, by the time you have a successful date you'll be 30 something. Didn't you wanna get laid before your 31st B day (thats what you said right?). Well what you are doing now isn't gonna get you there any time soon. Again, if you wanna succeed, why not listen to the guys like desi, skip, etc who ARE succeeding?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

THIS IS WHY YOU NEEED ****ING INDEPENDENCE.

I'm sure you don't find it strange, but my GRANDMOTHER, tries to hook me up with girls, and these girls are ****ing hot. Does your mother not want you to be married? She shouldn't be choosing your wives YOU SHOULD.

You don't get it man, there are all tpye of psychological implications from not gaining your own independence, but you have it so engrained in your mind that its ok for all of this to happen, that you choose to ignore the words of people that may be more experienced than you.

I do get it. I'm not cutting approaches for a year if it's progressing now.
The point of the matter is that I'm learning to over-ride ambient c0ckblocker elements and that's points toward approaching.

I've never said I'm against independence. I'm just unable to move out at this time. Maybe at a later time when things are into more order. Or, your not going to be another guy here saying - it's better to sleep in a barkbench and panhandle people for change than to stay at home and try to build up from there? There is no 'now' solution.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THIS? Maybe not in approaching, but it will come out in other ways, like when you want to get intimate, like when she wants to find out about your life, like when she wants to see what your passions in life are and you say, "Well right now I'm not doing well in Real Estate, but I'm giving it another kick in the can". And THATS IT. Where are your passions, your fun? Go out and sky dive, go hiking, go DO SOMETHING WITH YOURSELF. You aren't doing anything but sitting at home, and "real estate".

So we are drifting from the 'living at home' situation into passions.

My life is booked up right now to get into any 'passions' and I'll be going away for about three weeks starting next week to Italy. Hopefully something will click in that vacation.

Now do you really want to succeed? Then take the advice of people like skip, desi. Work out, look your best, but in the meantime, do something MORE. Get a passion for life, find something YOU want to do, stop letting your parents dictate your actions, this is why people are saying ot get more indpendent. Because you don't have a life man, PERIOD.

Situation is fvcked up man. I cant move out of here, and dont have time for this passion thing. I'm more concerned about getting a good job, or career properly sorted out properly.

I'm sure you will say you're life is very fulfilling (kinda reminds me of 40 year old virgin, except even he had his own crib), but in all honesty you are missing out. Not having your own car,

I have my own car, or I would not be an agent. Unfortunately, there are only two cars in the family. If my dad's out and mom needs to go someplace, I'll drive her. She wont feel comfortable if something 'happened' in that car.
I'm certainly not going to live in my car to move out of here.

not being indepedent,

That cant be helped unless a reliable income source is ascertained.

not taking risks,

I've taken risks. Part of the reason why I cant move out. Lost money in stock market. Money was from credit cards. Fvcked up my credit rating. Cant get student loans to go further in school as credit rating is fvcked up. Tried working with dad in commercial RE to pay it dad. People screwed us. Went into landscaping to raise up enough money to sue developers in court-fees. Self-represented in court in three different lawsuits, while other people had big lawyers defending them. Cases fell through cracks. Now, I have a fvcked up credit rating that's 7 years old, no money was ever raised to the extent to pay the debts since it all gets soaked in business expenses as deals under current system are too infrequent to spend money easy that is earned. So you talk to me about risks again? Would you go up and face lawyers and take precedents that are 100 years old to fight established laws, and go to appeal courts -- I think I took allot of risks.

Another trajedy, sold stock at wrong time - Black Sea Energy - 10 cents a share went up to seven dollars in a year, bought it at 60 cents, sold it at 65 cents as it was fluctuating too much only owned it for about a month. Other stocks same thing, very,, very bad timing. So, all of this contributed to what we have here now.

What you have been doing isn't getting you anywhere to q uickly, by the time you have a successful date you'll be 30 something. Didn't you wanna get laid before your 31st B day (thats what you said right?). Well what you are doing now isn't gonna get you there any time soon. Again, if you wanna succeed, why not listen to the guys like desi, skip, etc who ARE succeeding?

Right, so go homeless, go on a park bench, and ask people for change to start living life. This is the 'now' approach, right? Sure.

Or, how about this, use up whatever money I have on rent, and then when it's used up, go back to parents and beg them to help support the business once I've run out of money.

IF a situation is fvcked up, then it's fvcked up - you have to work within the parameters not fvck it up further.

If you want to help, then suggest a good way to find a job within these parameters:
- Real-Estate license.
- BA degree that's six years old now.
- No job experience other than Real-Estate
- Problem financing for further education.

Go on, be my guest. See, until you are living in my shoes for a week, then you too would sort of be stuck.

I'd like to see what you would do in these parameters.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Pooparu;

I've decided to take a second look at the 'passions' thing in the context of an e-book I got earlier this year from John Alanis. Public speaking at toastmasters, being good at certain dances (dance lessons), are a couple of ideas that have rang through - because the passions in those venues convey 'authority' which are attraction triggers.

That's all part of his unique program of having women come to you first, it's worth a shot to take seriously anyway.

His link is: http://www.womenapproachyou.com and I have various copies of his e-books on file that are collecting dust. I'm on to some parts of them again now.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

In terms of living on my own or moving out there are only two solutions:

1) Get a 164 LSAT score, and thus get a free scholarship to go to an American law school, meaning I'd have to move to go there. My parents will likely help support the first few months of living there until I'm able to find a job there. Next test is November, and then after in February. The sooner a 164 LSAT score is obtained the sooner I can get out of here - therefore studying the LSAT = independence.

2) Have enough money saved from Real-Estate to budget up to 6 months of living expenses (rent, food, etc...) and business expenses, then the career can continue at a different location. This would factor in the uncertainty of income.

Either I succeed in Real-Estate or I have to improve the LSAT score. No other solutions exist.

To succeed in Real-estate I'm changing offices to one closer to home, with the hope I'll be more 'motivated' since the distance is closer and I dont have to worry as much about the gas, and they seem to have workshops or support systems in there that may prove to help with motivation.

Anyone who makes a further suggestion to move out in the future will be referred to this post.

 

[pooparu]

I do get it. I'm not cutting approaches for a year if it's progressing now.
The point of the matter is that I'm learning to over-ride ambient c0ckblocker elements and that's points toward approaching.

I've never said I'm against independence. I'm just unable to move out at this time. Maybe at a later time when things are into more order. Or, your not going to be another guy here saying - it's better to sleep in a barkbench and panhandle people for change than to stay at home and try to build up from there? There is no 'now' solution.

THERE IS A NOW SOLUTION. YOU JUST HAVE TO THINK. Join a firm with 100% commision that charges a yearly desk fee, then get out there and start selling homes, it may not be easy, but you need to learn to PUSH HARD and not just say, "well I can't do much about it". Do you understand the power of human will!? Survivors of slavery, holocaust, genocide, THESE people had it bad yet still made something of htemselves, you live in AMERICA in a nice warm home, with food and shelter, and you complain that you can't do anything to succeed? That's ****ing pathetic. Go tell that to all the people who started off with NOTHING at all, and were on the brink of death and urned around and succeeded. Tell that to the boy who was born with NO EARS but learned how to hear. And then compare to your situation and see how there is "no solution". Go read think and grow rich.



So we are drifting from the 'living at home' situation into passions.

My life is booked up right now to get into any 'passions' and I'll be going away for about three weeks starting next week to Italy. Hopefully something will click in that vacation.




Situation is fvcked up man. I cant move out of here, and dont have time for this passion thing. I'm more concerned about getting a good job, or career properly sorted out properly.

You don't get it. Your job should be part of your prupose in life. Everything you do should be fueled by your passion. You need to sit to down, maybe read that DJ hobbies thread that we started a while back where all the people listed their hobbies, get some ideas and TRY them and then stick with it. Are you honestly saying you have no time in a week to go do something like canoing, mountain bike riding, etc? If you can honestly say you have no time (that includes getting up early or at night), then you need to change your life, you shouldn't be booked from the second you wake up to the second you lay down. At that rate you won't even SURVIVE to see your 31st birthday.

I have my own car, or I would not be an agent. Unfortunately, there are only two cars in the family. If my dad's out and mom needs to go someplace, I'll drive her. She wont feel comfortable if something 'happened' in that car.
I'm certainly not going to live in my car to move out of here.



That cant be helped unless a reliable income source is ascertained.



I've taken risks. Part of the reason why I cant move out. Lost money in stock market. Money was from credit cards. Fvcked up my credit rating. Cant get student loans to go further in school as credit rating is fvcked up. Tried working with dad in commercial RE to pay it dad. People screwed us. Went into landscaping to raise up enough money to sue developers in court-fees. Self-represented in court in three different lawsuits, while other people had big lawyers defending them. Cases fell through cracks. Now, I have a fvcked up credit rating that's 7 years old, no money was ever raised to the extent to pay the debts since it all gets soaked in business expenses as deals under current system are too infrequent to spend money easy that is earned. So you talk to me about risks again? Would you go up and face lawyers and take precedents that are 100 years old to fight established laws, and go to appeal courts -- I think I took allot of risks.
I SPEAK OF RISKS IN LIFE. You can only see material value at this time. You speak of money, you speak of jobs, yet you are not filled with the same passion of life like that of Odysseus. He was marooned for seven years, yet his passion to go home was NEVER ENDING and constantly burning. You could learn alot from the wise Greeks.

Another trajedy, sold stock at wrong time - Black Sea Energy - 10 cents a share went up to seven dollars in a year, bought it at 60 cents, sold it at 65 cents as it was fluctuating too much only owned it for about a month. Other stocks same thing, very,, very bad timing. So, all of this contributed to what we have here now.

This is because you feared risk, had you stayed in it you would be in a hella different situation.


Right, so go homeless, go on a park bench, and ask people for change to start living life. This is the 'now' approach, right? Sure.

No, its called make a plan NOW, and start following it in order to take steps to get away from your current lifestyle. Go to business seminars, learn about your passions, become enriched in your own life, and soon othes will be enriched in yours as well.

Or, how about this, use up whatever money I have on rent, and then when it's used up, go back to parents and beg them to help support the business once I've run out of money.
Or how about rent a cheap apartment and keep saving cash while working towards a better future.

IF a situation is fvcked up, then it's fvcked up - you have to work within the parameters not fvck it up further.
WRONG. When a situation is ****ed up you must first:
A. Learn from it and love the knowledge you have gained.
B. Work to CHANGE your situation for the better using your new found knowledge, not "work to not **** it up furhter"
If you want to help, then suggest a good way to find a job within these parameters:
- Real-Estate license.
- BA degree that's six years old now.
- No job experience other than Real-Estate
- Problem financing for further education.

Go on, be my guest. See, until you are living in my shoes for a week, then you too would sort of be stuck.

I'd like to see what you would do in these parameters.

For the final part, HAH, you whine yet you are in a better position than probably 75% of people in this country, yet you know why they are succeeding and you aren't? BECAUSE THEY ARE PUSHING and you are working to "not **** things up". WHO CARES IF **** GETS ****ED UP, LIFE IS ABOUT RISK. With a real estate liscense its called saving and investing I know of a Romanian man who i snow getting paid SERIOUSLY for what he's doing, and he works at cox, he invests on the side. GET A SIDE JOB DAMNIT, Cox, garbage man, WHATEVER, you just need to start SAVING UP CASH.

With your real estate liscense you are in a better spot finacially than many othes, and I know this, my father is a real estate agent, HELL I WORK IN A REAL ESTATE OFFICE.

Until you can stop being blinded by your fear, Luke, you will never succeed.

And read the odyssey, that book is ****ing great.

 

[krd]

Here's a friend of mine's situation...he does the same kind of work as you--Real Estate, and yes, it does take up a lot of his time. It can be a crappy job, because you only get paid on commission; there's no steady paycheck, as I'm sure you know. So on the weekends, he waits tables at a restaurant. This could be a good job to consider, because you have to talk to people; there's no way around it. Plus, you'll probably be working with a lot of cute women. My friend shares an apartment with his girlfriend, so it's definitely helpful to try and find a roomate to share rent and living expenses.

With some of the money he's saved up, he's using it to pursue his passion: music, and some of the money he's saved up is being put towards recording a CD.

So even though, sometimes situations are less than ideal, there are ways of making them work.

I could've chosen to talk about my own situation (which is in some ways similar to yours), but it would be far less interesting or impressive.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Here's a friend of mine's situation...he does the same kind of work as you--Real Estate, and yes, it does take up a lot of his time. It can be a crappy job, because you only get paid on commission; there's no steady paycheck, as I'm sure you know.

So on the weekends, he waits tables at a restaurant. This could be a good job to consider, because you have to talk to people; there's no way around it. Plus, you'll probably be working with a lot of cute women. My friend shares an apartment with his girlfriend, so it's definitely helpful to try and find a roomate to share rent and living expenses.

A 'social' part-time job has logistical considerations that need to be addressed. For example, you never know when you have to present an offer, receive an offer when you are in Real-Estate, because, you could make a deal at any time. Suppose it's at the same time you are scheduled to work, then you could lose a big commission pay cheque for what, minimum wage or something?

I already have an advantage living at home - now it's time to me to fight for my independence by putting a total blasted effort to get some clients - which I intend to do in September. Looking for a place is a distraction - I want my mind focused on two things - and just two things - making money in RE and LSAT.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I Approached Her !!! Whippi !!

before anyone reads this -- this is the second last day of recorded approaches in bootcamp. There are of course, agendas to move out of this place and find hobbies, but they will be interweaved with the approach journals.


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Went to gym today, saw that same hb (ethnic) that ignored me the last time, and a few other hb's.

This time, I purposed to approach with this opener: "Excuse me, I need to use that machine" with an ingenuine request. Went to the hb(ethnic) and accousted her and she said she'd be done with the machien in a minute, and she put her ipod back on after taking it off to deal with me.

This is the same person that ignored me last time, now I forced her attention, but lost it the second the 'purpose' of the opener was exausted.
A 'purposed' opener seems to be the one that portrays the most confident approach as it's sort of a 'natural interaction for the type of environment'.

You wouldn't believe how great it felt to approach that girl even with a false excuse, I just felt comfortable with myself afterwards, it was a great feeling.

So, Desinova talked about enthusiasm, all I know is how to accost people to open them in the gym confidently. Well, got to start soemwhere I suppose.

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I continued with my work-out of course. The Primary goal is to work those mucles out. I was worried in my mind she thought I was a nut or something so I tryed blocking her from my mind and writing her off as a c&b or something.

She was working out in another machine near by, I went next to it and worked out beside her. I didn't try a second attempt convo, and avoided eye contact at all cost because I thought she knew I lied about that other opener and I felt like wierd.

She didn't leave afterwards. I continued eyeing her around the gym, she eyed back a few times, over all, it didn't seem to matter nonetheless.

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Talking to guys in the gym are really helpful to get out the 'social kinks', and actually helps me with conversing with women, it feels more natural to start convos with the ladies if I start talking to a few guys, and some older women afterwards.

So, to get comfortable with convo, it would be helpful to approach a guy or a couple of guys, start talking to them, like I would to a girl, and then start approaching some girls for convo because you got a convo out in that environment.

After I talked to this guy, I had a covno with a girl working at the gym, and it just felt fluid, like it came out natural and I didn't think twice about talking with her.

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[Luke Skywalker]

Recap.

Ok, time to recap, and look for venues of improvement - here is what we know:

1) Talking to guys in the gym first for social 'warm-up' is a good idea - it helps takes the kinks out of talking to strangers in general and you are not worried about impression or how you are coming across. Talk to a couple of guys first if you need nerve for convo.
Practise with UG's and older women before attacking hb's if they are there, or go direct to hb's if there is enough 'nerve'.

Guys should be talked to first if there is a girl in the picture - forget the girl, talk to the guy, and ask if the girl is related to them or something - or how they set is related. So, it's a good idea to go to guy if there is a girl with a guy.

I have business cards as an additional prop if I need to validate my approach with a solicitation for business (and you never know, they may need to buy or sell a home).

2) Opening a hb at the gym that is on a machine is easy if you just go up to them and ask if they are finished with the machine. The draw-back for this opener is as soon as the 'purpose' is dispensed, so is the girl's attention.

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Escalating exercises:

SGM: STANDARD GYM OPENERS: "Excuse me, I need to use this machine?" "Can you show me how to put the heart test machine on here?", "How do I set up this cycle?" If there is enough eye contact or IOI's -- no 'shield' then a soft opener like: "Have you just joined the gym?" would likely work.

Need hard openers for hb's usually - and will develop a good follow up line, which will be a start of a gym-routine - and play with it, as follows.

- Accoust a girl directly - after SGM then say this following line enthusiastically: 'Hey (loud voice like surprise like I'm recognizing someone), I think I remember seeing you somewhere, are you Irene?' Use a false time-constraint and either eject or continue to convo and ask a couple of other questions before ejecting.

<Before going to gym: Practise saying "Hey (as though you are recognising someone), I remember seeing you before, are you Irene (act like surprised and expectant) ?" <look dissappointed - if not Irene> Oh, I thought I saw you at York University, you are a University student right? <foot-in door for convo, yes - what is she studying, no - then what are you doing? (smile), etc... (once you have the enthusiasm and tone - then the convo will be played with on random - must set that 'frame' - think this line may work.


- Do not assume a girl has rejected you until 'the ho says no'. In this case, next time, I should continue going to the girl, maintaining EC, and trying to continue to attempt to convo her. She was cycling while I was leaving, all I did was look at her. I could have gone back, cycled next to her for a few seconds and then ejected. Even if I didn't say anything, I still accompished a 'psychological exercise' and it would have still went further.

- She likely picked up vibes that I was interested in talking to her on that opener a few minutes after - so even if that 'opener' was exausted. Women seem to have social antennas or radars - so even if an approach is ingenuine, it can still be followed up afterwards with a direct approach or convo.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

cueing myself in properly.....BTW magic wand.

That's right, magical lines and statements.

Here's one of them: BY THE WAY, I forgot to get your number - just a few seconds after walking away from a contact-close prospect.

BY THE WAY I FORGOT TO [your cue in] - is a magic cue line to use.

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Openers mentioned above on gym -- I still see a problem because I'm certain as soon as the 'purpose' is exausted from any standard gym opener it's going to c&b badly. The best that can be expected by a gym opener is that you just 'sort of' broke the ice, eject, and try to pursue later -- because these hb's will likely close of attention too fast for me to even try that line.

This is the same problem with cashier and service girls who are also out to rush interactions or close as soon as something is opened - so it's a similar problem - the cold approach/street approach problem in general. People are not out looking for guys, and it's difficult to keep attention once it's obtained - but the BTW statement will be experimented on this bootcamp.

Scrapping the other IRENE line --- seems to creepy and wont likely work.

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That's where the 'by the way' statement can be practised -- the reason is, the statement 'by the way' seems to have a force about it - or a confidence within the statement itself that can sort of act like a cue-in.

This is my gut feeling on it - after an opener go 'By the way' and follow with a direct introduction and put a smile on the face.

A canned forced routine will lackly backfire on myself as I'd lack the confidence to go through with it because the attention would have closed off at that time.

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Try it out with everyone -- cashiers -- if cant think of anything just say out loud 'by the way

 

[Luke Skywalker]

ESPI;

I like that opener: 'You know, with your good looks and all that people must think you are snotty, but I'll give you a minute or two to prove you are friendly?'

I'll try it out a few times for purposes of the bootcamp - but the problem is that I'm not sure I'll have the 'confidence-threshold'.

For example, a standard gym opener - like using a machine has a 'confidence-threshold' that I can accost her - but I see a 'command' with 'You know,' so it may work --

"You know -- ' and 'By the Way' may be commanding vocubalary that may be helpful with my 'confidence problem'.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

The Party continues !!!

Started trying out the Don Juan tips on smiling, I'm used to having a forced artifiical smile, but learned from the Tips I learned to smile more gradual or slowly. Tried it a few times and got some women to smile back at me - still practising it though.

A 'bad boy' smile is made up by this tease -- I imagine randomly groping woman and touching their a$$es in a newbie mission and that makes me smile, would you believe that -- and it conveys a mischievous smile - it works, all I have to do is imagine groping everyone's a$$ on a mall, or the girl I want to talk to and I end up smiling at the thought instead and it conveys a cool smile.

Cashier opener brainstorm (still weak on area):
- If you smile at me, I'll let you give me your phone number.
- Oh BTW, write your number at the back of the receipt, here's the pen.

Have yet to try it on future bootcamps.

I'm concluding the bootcamp for now until I return from Italy in mid September - thanking everyone for their inputs. Didn't have the energy to give out business cards - but have dropped idea until I change companies - why give out old cards anyway?

At this point - I'm still trying to get comfortable with approaches and keeping attention and number closes.

 

[pooparu]

before anyone reads this -- this is the second last day of recorded approaches in bootcamp. There are of course, agendas to move out of this place and find hobbies, but they will be interweaved with the approach journals.


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Went to gym today, saw that same hb (ethnic) that ignored me the last time, and a few other hb's.

This time, I purposed to approach with this opener: "Excuse me, I need to use that machine" with an ingenuine request. Went to the hb(ethnic) and accousted her and she said she'd be done with the machien in a minute, and she put her ipod back on after taking it off to deal with me.

This is the same person that ignored me last time, now I forced her attention, but lost it the second the 'purpose' of the opener was exausted.
A 'purposed' opener seems to be the one that portrays the most confident approach as it's sort of a 'natural interaction for the type of environment'.

You wouldn't believe how great it felt to approach that girl even with a false excuse, I just felt comfortable with myself afterwards, it was a great feeling.

So, Desinova talked about enthusiasm, all I know is how to accost people to open them in the gym confidently. Well, got to start soemwhere I suppose.

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She was working out in another machine near by, I went next to it and worked out beside her. I didn't try a second attempt convo, and avoided eye contact at all cost because I thought she knew I lied about that other opener and I felt like wierd.

She didn't leave afterwards. I continued eyeing her around the gym, she eyed back a few times, over all, it didn't seem to matter nonetheless.

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Eh, enlighten me...how is this different from the other "approaches?". Not saying you did bad, but you just did the same thing you've been doing?

And again luke, these lines won't work if you aren't congruent, you shouldn't be memorizing lines.

Let me give you an example, I'm currently teaching myself latin. Now I can't pick up a latin dictionary, write down a few words and go great, let's make a sentence.

You have to learn syntax first, the structure of how things work, how verbs are conjugated, the CORE of the language. Only once I have gotten down these, can I start using the vocab, or the "lines" in your case. DO you understand? (No, but it was worth a shot trying to explain). Good luck with this bootcamp luke, and btw, you are going to italy, you better meet some people there, its ****ing italy.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Eh, enlighten me...how is this different from the other "approaches?". Not saying you did bad, but you just did the same thing you've been doing?

Not really. I never went to an hb to ask to use a machine that I didn't genuinely want to use as an ice-breaker. I'm cracking hb's with ipods on.


Usually, I'd wait for the hb to come over my area, or next to a machine and then try to talk to her, but usually it falls flat. Whenever I say 'hi' or try to start a convo, 'hey, are you new to this gym?' my words always hit her shield and she ignores me or doesn't take it on.

So, now I may go up to a hb, and tell her I need to use the machine or whatever to break the ice, and this was never done before. I'm talking to people in the gym - I'm more pyched up than ever before to do this. Whole mental construct of this has changed.

Guys are now also part of the gig if they have girls around (working on sets or a guy/girl pair), and I've found easy openers for most gym situations - the point is the lines will work if you can brainwash yourself in an instant to believe what you are saying - and that can only be done by practising lines out loud - and also realising that it will work better with some people who are receptive than with others. I'm not concerned about what's congruent with me personally, I'm more concerned about what's congruent of the social dynamic as a whole. A girl doesn't expect a guy to go up to her and say 'hi' to make friends, but she may expect a guy to come up to her to ask her to use a machine or something - so that's why I feel I have to create these openers to have confidence that whatever I'm doing is congruent with the social dynamics of interaction in the environment - at least in the opener.

So, let's have this 'opener' using the machine - and follow-up quickly with some lines - I'm not sure whether to use Espi's as an opener or a follow-up to an opener. But the point is GET COMFORTABLE APPROACHING, THEN CHALLENGE THE COMFORT ZONE.
START WITH EXCUSES TO USE THE MACHINES OR WHATEVER -- WHICH I DID - NEXT TIME RAISE THE ANTES ON IT.

Point is I know how to confidently get attention with a 'purpose', I just need to know how to swap that 'purpose' in my mind so I can still approach confidentally, but say something else instead.

I mean you have this weak frame:
"Hi. How are you? or Hi, are you new to gym?
in this 'hi, I'm a loser, do you want to be my friend? begging type of tone.

Which I'm trying to change into something better by utilising new openers and or maybe some lines - whatever it takes. I want a "I'm here, you'll have to deal with me." type of presence - know what I'm saying?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Good luck with this bootcamp luke, and btw, you are going to italy, you better meet some people there, its ****ing italy.

I've returned back from Italy.

Italy is no different than any other place. As I said, it is a vacation fully paid for by my parents, on a car rented by my folks, where I stayed at a relatives for a few weeks and knew from the start that women would be out of the equation. In a sence, I cant complain about a three week vacation where I virtually got a free ride, however, being deprived of women still sucks.

As people already have said, being with parents compromises the 'inner game' or they basically c0ckblock the whole thing. At some points I felt frustrated during this vacation as I didn't talk to anyone - could have tried cold approaching or talking to some hot babes (who knew a bit of English), but I just could not do it, I either always just felt 'distracted' from doing it, or felt I was going to intrude in someone's world. Just couldn't come 'natural'.

Added to the fact I cant speak Italian, and also to the fact, there would be no closure if I was successful. I mean, I cant close them, except if I were to ask them to do a photo shoot on this following rap:

Yeah - that was a rap I was thinking of. I wanted to approach hb's in Italy and tell them I was a visitor, start some small talk, and then tell them that you heard rumours that Italian girls were hot and had to come and check it out for myself and have to take photos to show my friends back at home that Italian girls rock. Then ask them for a photo shoot with themselves, and me inside of it.

Again, I cant speak Italian, only my dad can, and I ain't going to involve him into doing something like that.