The Jedi Bootcamp Journal.

[Luke Skywalker]

Inspired by Epsi's posts about malls, in the future, I'll be carrying a shopping bag, and be having frequent calls with my imaginary Real-Estate clients, and pretend to be busy half the time. Already went into a woman's clothing store, points there.

Special Stealth spy mission to go in all Department stores to scope for hired guns, and to just scope all around. Practise honing into a hb, and stalk her into a store with a cell phone and shopping bag to go on stealth mode. Excellent technology Epsi, we are going to listen to your advice on scoring the mall hb. First score them by mind, tommorow, action.

Cool. Excellent ideas to follow up on after I try some more EC stuff tommorow. I still cant get that girl off my mind - the harder I try this bootcamp, her image haunts me and gets stronger. I'm really coming down with an oneitis bug, let's see how it fares tommorow.

 

[Celadus]

Luke,


I went through this analytical stage. Boot camps don't work well with people like us. It just gives us tons of stuff to analyze.

I don't want to be an ass but you should work on yourself before you start talking to random girls. Socialization isn't logical. Especially when girls are involved. Its natural. Thinking about different ways to do the boot camp, pretending to be on a phone, carrying a bag...It takes the naturalishness out of it.

Live life and not think about girls. MOVE OUT. This is the best advice anyone can give you. I don't care what it takes...get a second job or something. Living with your parents is an inner game killer. I am home now and when I am home, my life just sucks. I feel like a kid. I've travelled and gone to college and its very different when I'm "independent".

Making things more complicated than they need to be is asking for failure. This is just asking for failure. I expect a well thought out response of how you are going to completely ignore my advice.

Celadus

P.S. Imaginary real estate clients? Go out and look for some real ones. I think a boot camp where you look for clients would be better than one for chicks. . .

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke,


I went through this analytical stage. Boot camps don't work well with people like us. It just gives us tons of stuff to analyze.

I don't want to be an ass but you should work on yourself before you start talking to random girls. Socialization isn't logical. Especially when girls are involved. Its natural. Thinking about different ways to do the boot camp, pretending to be on a phone, carrying a bag...It takes the naturalishness out of it.

Learn from the masters. Epsi knows what he is doing, because he goes to malls and picks up girls ALL THE friggen TIME - so, the Jedi Bootcamp students mimic Epsi's movements in the mall, props, shopping bags and all, and we will soon be doing Epsi type approaches to some hb's.

 

[Quiksilver]

lol this is painful man, keep it all real!

It honestly sounds like you're spending weeks programming some robot to pick up girls.

Celadus said it right. You're definitely have the right mindset going with trying to improve yourself in an area that's causing you problems, but you're approachin the problem all wrong.

A small analogy: From reading what you've said it feels like you're learning to play Chess or something. You're analyzing each move you make as if it will be the exact same the next time. Don't get me wrong, improving each time is great, but Dating is a dynamic game! Imagine trying to learn how to play chess and make a better move each time you play, when the board changes between goes. You'll get lost, confused, and depressed.

To hurdle this obstacle you need to make yourself adaptable to ANY situation, and to do that you should be focusing on YOURSELF and not the game you're playing, for it will only lead to frustration.

Your solution: Your idea for a bootcamp is fine, it'll atleast help you understand the game abit better. But...But the bootcamp should not be a seperate course that you take, or something that you do for a certain time period. Rather it should be YOU, YOU should be the bootcamp! It should be incorporated into every aspect of your life.

For instance, you have been saying yourself that it's hard to make good progress in your setting. This is because you're bootcamp has YOU outside of YOUR comfort zone trying to enter THEIR comfort zone, FOR NO REASON! A bootcamp should be incorporated into your daily life as you improve yourself. This kills 2 birds with 1 stone:

Example: instead of spending 3 hours in a mall 'scoping and noting' attempting to get eye contact with people who are busy, you could have done your shopping for the week and gone to the gym for the other 2 hours, meanwhile your bootcamp will have you saying Hi(or whatever) to every chick you meet along the way. Bring THEM into YOUR comfort zone.

Here, I dug this out for you to scrutinize over:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=102343&highlight=Contender

Read it all!

And read the freakin' DJ Bible, from all of your behaviors and actions, I doubt you have.

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/

 

[Flabbergasped?]

The above is the best idea for you.

Luke, you have to realize that, for all intensive purposes, you haven't done anything new.

I'm sure, when you were completely oblivious to interacting with girls, you would just look at them, right? Isn't that what "scoping" is?

When you were oblivious to girls, you would go to a restaurant alone and just look around, not talking to anyone, right? Isn't that the "scoping" you keep referring to?

When you were oblivious to girls, you would build up the courage to talk to them, only to chicken out at the last minute and rationalize later, right? Isn't that what "mock approaches" are?

Your problem is that you're not improving. You don't challenge yourself, and you do things that you're already capable of doing, under the guise that you're getting 'comfortable', or some garbage. You're 30, in a profession that involves you dealing with people. You already know how to hold eye contact, and if you don't, that explains your finances. Yet, you're spending a whole week bootcamping for something you can already do. You're not stepping out of your comfort zone. If anything, you're withdrawing further inside of it. I don't mind the calculations and the robotics, if they are used to calculate and cyberize REAL approaches, which you don't have practice with. But seriously, walking around the mall, looking at people in the eyes? What are you meant to practice?

The best remedy to your situation is to move out and start working on your social circles. If you can improve the number of friends/clients/contacts you have, it will only grow exponentially. Friends will introduce you to other friends, clients to other clients, etc. Then, you can go to Casey's Grill & Bar or w/e, and have the "HBSEA" fix your laptop while your friends, some of which are undoubtedly attractive, sit around you. There is no better social proof than that.

 

[ThreeStorms]

Hard to find a way of saying this without sounding like an ass, but Luke:
With your religious following of a plan written on an internet page, the very analytical approach to the natural task "talking to women" (yeah I know this is next week ), the obsession over details ...
a question came to my mind: Have you ever been diagnosed with slight autism or Asperger Syndrome?

 

[Nine Breaker]

There has been a lot of solid advice here for you Luke, from a significant number of people. Yet, through all of it, the only thing you have done in response to this is argue in opposition to anything that goes against what you want to hear.

So, to those who have tried posting about this 'self-improvement' in particularly dealing with my living situation, I am taking this advise seriously, but with a grain of salt.

It doesn't matter how seriously you take any of this information. What does matter is whether you actually DO anything to CHANGE your current situation. So, the real question is what have you actually done? HOW has your life actually improved over the last few months in real, tangible terms?

And what makes you think I need validation from someone else?

Every single post you have ever made on this forum has shown how desperately you have tried to find the affections of women. People who seek validation from women generally don't spend 6 hours in a mall for the sole purpose of saying "hi" to anything and everything with a pair of breasts that passes their way.

this is a DJ board, and I've never been on a bootcamp since I've joined, while everyone who is taking this board 'seriously' has. Trying to question 'motivations' about having a bootcamp is as silly as question motivations for being on this board in the first place.

Questioning motivations may not be the central theme behind a boot camp, but it is is essential if you ever hope to be a man. More than this, it can help you realise why you have allowed yourself to become an AFC in the first place. Ask yourself this: Why do you try so damned hard and wasting so much of your life over your pursuit of women? Is it for companionship? Do you think it will be the magic bullet that gets your life back on track? Do you honestly think anything will change if you get laid?

Eye contact time to date -- Saturday - 30 minutes.
Sun/Mon - 0 minutes.
Tuesday - 30 minutes.

One hour remaining in dedicated eye-contact experiments before mock approaches start. Hopefully, I'll just do that hour tommorow and start working on some mock approaches or 'ambigious expressions of interest'.

"Time spent staring at women". Is your time so without value that you can throw it away so recklessly? If there is a better way to completely waste part of your life away in fruitless desperation, humanity has yet to find it.

Nine Breaker:
An average frustrated chump (AFC) is not necessarily a man who lacks in his abilities to attract and seduce women.

Luke Skywalker:
Sure it is. Let's not pervert the defination into something else.

Any guy who dedicates his time/life primarily towards women is a complete chump. Let's be clear about that.

And you have to be confident to approach many different types of women in different situations. This 'attracting women' initially here, was mainly online, and through referrals, so it really is not the same as this bootcamp is directed on.

Haven't you been paying attention to what all the truly successful blokes are shouting out at you? Confidence isn't going to come from constantly approaching women, getting confortable with staring at them blankly, or seeing how often you can say "hi" to strangers. Confidence is a projection of our own sense of self-value. Being a man means creating things in your life that give you this sense of value and purpose, which inevitably leads to lasting confidence which can be applied in virtually any situation you face in life.

Find some goals for yourself that do not have anything to do with women - only for yourself - and achieve them!

You will go through life like a starving man, even if you try to improve yourself, the motivations will always be wrong if you dont get this area of life properly handled. That's one of the reasons University flopped - if I had the area of life with women handled since high-school, or during that time, stuff like that would not have happened as I'd basically focus on approaching many women and not focus on any particular person, and certainly I'd close them even if it c&b, because better you get to bottom one time then stringing yourself along.

And there it is! You have things around completely backwards. From that line of yours, it seems pretty obvious that you are using women to try to get your life back in order. Those of us who are truly successful with women are the ones who were first truly successful with our own lives. You have no idea how hilariously easy things become with women, when you have actually made yourself "the prize".

I am going to leave things here, because if you haven't picked up on the message I am trying to get across by now, then you probably aren't going to at all. Don't interpret this as some sort of personal attack, because it's really just one more voice shouting at you that you'll be so much better off in life and with women if you focus on making something of yourself that you can be truly proud of - before you go looking for a woman.

Think about what I've said. Honestly, think.

 

[skip2mylou781]

LUKE

women will not like u or show interest in u if ur some skinny dweeb or a man walking aroudn trying to stare at them and then asking them polar bear questions!!!

hit the gym, get some SERIOUS clothing style, and do somethin good with ur hair

LOOKS is wats keeping u from success the most, and no amount of bootcamps will fix that!!! dont u get it ****er??

ur a lil peice of twig, u cant bench 40lbs, i kno ur hittint the gym.....well guess what?? hit the gym every single day for 2 hours, THAT should be ur goal right now

not starting at women for absolutely no reason other than to use it as jerk off material later on at home with ur tube sock over ur c0ck just in case ur parents come in.

STOP being pathetic, work on ur LOOKS and work on ur LOOK.......ur personality will follow. Bootcamp wont do SHYT till ur at least good looking
done

 

[ThreeStorms]

ur a lil peice of twig, u cant bench 40lbs, i kno ur hittint the gym.....well guess what?? hit the gym every single day for 2 hours, THAT should be ur goal right now

This advice actually sucks. But its still better than roaming around the mall for hours.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

LUKE

women will not like u or show interest in u if ur some skinny dweeb or a man walking aroudn trying to stare at them and then asking them polar bear questions!!!

hit the gym, get some SERIOUS clothing style, and do somethin good with ur hair

I'm already hitting the gym.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Every single post you have ever made on this forum has shown how desperately you have tried to find the affections of women. People who seek validation from women generally don't spend 6 hours in a mall for the sole purpose of saying "hi" to anything and everything with a pair of breasts that passes their way.

No, that's not true, also with people with good buts, legs, and exotic ethnic complexions. As skip2mylou781 says, it's great jerk-off material for later, not validation as you think. (just kidding).

For the record, although I recommended staying 6 hours in a mall, I've only spent an hour and a half on Saturday, and a half hour yesterday (hour if including Casey's Bar and Grill), and always have a good buzz when I do that.

The secular music in the radio sounds even better, and I have like this good-time with myself after. Like, the 'He's so Shy" song from Pointer Singers that played after my first outing on Saturday made me feel cool. Yeah. I tell you, I always have a 'high' that comes after this crap, there is no 'validation' element anywhere.

Questioning motivations may not be the central theme behind a boot camp, but it is is essential if you ever hope to be a man. More than this, it can help you realise why you have allowed yourself to become an AFC in the first place. Ask yourself this: Why do you try so damned hard and wasting so much of your life over your pursuit of women? Is it for companionship? Do you think it will be the magic bullet that gets your life back on track? Do you honestly think anything will change if you get laid?

This will deferred for consideration at the conclusion of the bootcamp.

"Time spent staring at women". Is your time so without value that you can throw it away so recklessly? If there is a better way to completely waste part of your life away in fruitless desperation, humanity has yet to find it.

Well, if that's your opinion of bootcamps, that's too bad. It's obvious you haven't been through one, because if you have, the first week of bootcamp has always been 'eye-contact' exercises. It's a first week standard. Those are the rules for the bootcamps. If I'm deviating from the rules, then that would be productive dialogue, but I'm keeping the rules on my system here.

Any guy who dedicates his time/life primarily towards women is a complete chump. Let's be clear about that.

But i dont spend money on them (true, but just kidding).

Bootcamps aren't for everyone. If they are not for you, that's fine, but anyone who wants join or be part of this bootcamp should do so, without thinking that they are being judge by other people as seeking validation or having pathetic lives. There are many bootcamps on this board.

Haven't you been paying attention to what all the truly successful blokes are shouting out at you? Confidence isn't going to come from constantly approaching women, getting confortable with staring at them blankly, or seeing how often you can say "hi" to strangers. Confidence is a projection of our own sense of self-value. Being a man means creating things in your life that give you this sense of value and purpose, which inevitably leads to lasting confidence which can be applied in virtually any situation you face in life.

If bootcamps dont work at confidence, or anything, then why is it on this board and done all the time. If you wish to argue the idea of bootcamps, a whole new thread should be made formally debating the concept.

Creating things that give you a sence of value and purpose? No all you need is faith. Bootcamps inspire faith.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Now, I encourage you all to read these threads about my career to find out why I'm living with my parents.

http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147101

http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147060

This is why I cant move out.

 

[Desdinova]

Luke, have you ever seen an actual boot camp in action?

It has been said that a significant part of boot camp is psychological. The reasoning seems to be that if a recruit cannot be relied upon to obey orders and follow instructions in routine matters--be they folding one's clothing, standing at attention, paying proper attention to hygiene--it is unlikely that he or she will be reliable in a combat situation, where there may be a strong urge to disobey orders or flee. The recruit who cannot work as part of a team (the unit) and comply with the routine tasks of boot camp, therefore, is more likely to place oneself, one's comrades, and the mission in jeopardy.

You don't interpret what your drill sargent is saying, you do EXACTLY as you are told. If you don't, he tears a strip off your ass.

With this bootcamp, you need to provide yourself with a goal, and provide your own motivation to achieve that goal. If you screw up, you have to kick your own ass.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Hey, I'm so inspired by Epsi's mall sarge posts, that here's what I'm thinking of doing. I'm going to look for a job in a mall. What a great idea, but my folks may not like it, but who cares? Let's see if I can get a part-time job at mall, also part of bootcamp agenda. Working on leads today, and will be sending resumes out.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Suspending my bootcamp on oneitis problem.

I have a crippling oneitis as stated on this following thread:

http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147159 and have to suspend this bootcamp until this is resolved, either based on the results of that active thread at that board, or on the outcome of that friendship.

Also, here's another thread I'm going to bring up from this board
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=104386&page=2 in particular a post written by 'Self-Mastery' who said 'dude, find your female equivalent'. Well, Self-Mastery, I think I've found her and now I have oneitis and can not continue this bootcamp until I get to the bottom of this, which may take a few months.

In the meantime, I'll likey work to self-improve myself as other posters on here have asserted. I'll only keep a restricted social circle to include church, and high-quality types of women that I know are good to go, and are high calibre and close to God.

All other adherents may continue, but I'm sorry this crush on a girl has really gotten me loco. I'll resume this bootcamp later as she's going to haunt me throughout this bootcamp.

Please, read my threads on enotalone and see if this is a good idea.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

God-fearing women of substance and values that are similar to mine, who are high quality and good relationship material will only be purused. My standard for now must be kept high, or I may lose that other girl if I just go after anyone. Bootcamp now working on maintaining and keeping good standards, and suspending in other areas until i get to the bottom of her or whatever it is that has just gripped me.

 

[hi2u]

you are wierd and uptight dude. that's probably what inhibits your success with women. isn't it unfortunate that the people that need to get laid the most never seem to?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

People who have written on this thread, who have said advise like this bootcamp is lowering of standards or is unnecessary and I should just be focusing on self-improvement, is now starting to get to me in an indirect way.

If I improve myself, get fit, better body, get my career in line, get my law studies in line, strengthen existing friendships and social circles - then that is all I need to spend my time on, as I'll naturally be more attractive to women as I put my life in order.

The girl represents something important in myself that she's attractive to, and it's called 'standards and values', so maybe this whole thing is symbolic.
When you meet a 'real' girl, and not another shallow type, then they tend to keep you in line.

Getting laid just for getting laid is not a standard that I hold. I didn't think people like Nine Breaker could win because this was supposed to be inpenetrible bootcamp conception. Looks like something else hit my head for this all to click.

Well, thanks for all your advice.

 

[Quiksilver]

Now you're on the right track man!

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Resuming bootcamp from where I left off. Ultimately at the conclusion of this bootcamp, my goal is to be comfortable approaching women, and eliciting information about their living condition - simple as that. If they live by themselves or there is an opportunity to isolate them at their homes, then a contact close would be attempted, so it's more important to elicit information about their living condition then it is to do a number close - with a pre-programmed excuse for my own living condition.

The standard line is: I'm living with a roommate, but although we get along, he's a bit wierd, and I prefer to do things outside. Standard cross-line: Have I given you a reason not to trust me? (if challenged on living arrangement). Learned it on mASF.

But, you cant just go up to a girl and ask about her living condition, you have to make leading questions about it.

So far, this bootcamp on the surface so far seems to have been a waste of time. We could try a relaxed coffee environment - but when it comes down to it, I just have difficulty reading IOI's, or just dont believe that I get these IOI's as though there were an IOI-shield on me or something.

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In terms of living condition or improvement -- the bootcamp goals do not conflict with other goals -- things are on static:

- I have a limited set of clients to work with, if I'm not working on them, then I'm not working on them.
- Studying for LSAT exams, expansive - could take more time.
- Other things to do around house.

People have said I should not go outside my comfort zone in order to approach women, but I dont seem to be doing anything inside of it.

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For now, I'm going to practise being sexual with women when I'm out with my dad and even TALK OUT LOUD about a girl around by my dad.

For example, today there was a hb(Black) behind me or a couple, put the bag of chips away and say to dad - Gee, dad, it's a pity I cant approach these nice girls behind us because I'm too shy.

Crap like that --- in a funny tone so they could over-hear.

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This will be a temp. bootcamp assignment for myself that I'm setting, and I'm going to see what response an environment hb would say about it, or if it even works at 'expressing' myself or as an opener.

Also I'm going to put a challenge -- every target should be approached with an innocious comment about something she is wearing, the environment, or something she is doing, to test receptivity -- and go for a question or statment that, either she looks familiar and asking her if she lives around here, or just asking that directly, if she lives around the area -- then go for who she lives with -- if she gives the right answer - will try a contact-close for now - up to five emails/numbers before incrementing challenge to a g-close.